Is there a plan for how will all the mines and unexploded ordinance be dealt with after the war in Ukraine or will it end up like it always does with ...

Is there a plan for how will all the mines and unexploded ordinance be dealt with after the war in Ukraine or will it end up like it always does with dudes poking things with sticks?

The scale of the operation seems like something akin to 1919 but this time the maps might not be so honest.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. That’s why mining is illegal in most places.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian prisoners, with sticks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They did that in ww2

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian prisoners, with sticks
      Nope. They won't even requisition them sticks.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well you only need to clear the ones in Ukrainian territory. The shit on the Russian border proper can stay.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's easier without morons trying to kill you.
    >gather some engineers
    >give them some million dollars
    >they'll clear 90% of the mines with RC tractors or something like that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nowadays can you use remote operated units to help test large areas where conflict happened?

      It might work with mines but the unexploded ordinance needs tracking down.

      You'll also need to deal with heavy metal contamination in the soil and heavily cratered farmland. It's little reported but even the forests along the frontline of WWI have never recovered thanks to the contamination and disruption of the soil.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > heavy metal contamination
        Not a problem with most shells. The HE filling are far worse than steel/copper/zinc (RDX, DNT and similars)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Old shells used a frick ton of heavier metals in their steels. Its not the case as much anymore. Then again they're using NK ammo so shit it might be bad.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Old shells used a frick ton of heavier metals in their steels
          >Its not the case as much anymore
          Anon, Russia...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        zone rouge exists but it's not that large compared to the frontline as a whole

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think the Ukrianian front has seen such concentrated shelling outside a few areas. Well, so far anyway, WW1 was 4 years long and this conflict has only been going properly for 2 years, ignoring the skirmishes since 2014 of course

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a perfect world they’d be cleared by Russian POWs manually at gunpoint. Sadly I think the international community would frown on that as too barbaric.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the eorld will become so savage in the coming years that no one will care

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are also mine clearing vehicles already, just not too useful until the bullets and rockets stop flying overhead.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does this war look like anyone has had a fricking long-term plan after week 3?

    With all my love to the ukies, both sides have been doing shit that will have consequences decades, if not centuries down the line, because it was tactically usefuk for a few hours.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >both sides
      And there it is

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        shhhhhh go to bed now timmy, war always has lasting consequences due to the actions of everyone involved, intentional or not

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go back to twitter, dog

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Meds

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine's plan is defence in depth. Hold an area as long as they're getting disproportionately favourable kill ratios (ie 13 dead Russians for every 1 dead Ukrainian at Avdiivka) while fortifying behind the line, then when the ratio stops being favourable, falling back to the next fortification and continuing.

      Russia's strategy is to hold on to the currently fortified territory in the hopes that Ukraine eventually runs out of support from the West and is forced to sign a treaty that, at the bare minimum, keeps the Donbass oil and gas fields under Russian control so that they can resume selling energy to Europe.

      In both cases the governing factor is western aid. If the west contributes enough ammo and financial support for the Ukrainian economy, Russia will eventually run out of meat before Ukraine does (Ukraine needs to maintain a ratio of 4:1 or better; currently they are well above that threshold, although they only reached it by switching to defence in depth). If the west does not contribute enough ammo and financial support, Ukraine will eventually run too low on ammo to maintain favourable kill ratios and/or will face economic collapse.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I read somewhere that Russia's artillery is like their only real advantage so the Ukrainians are waiting for Russia to deplete their artillery ammo stock that they can't replenish (or at least can't replenish quickly) before making major attacks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >both sides have been doing shit
      Yeah, Ukraine should've just gave up and spare it's population from centuries of suffering.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go back or contribute something to the conversation you fricking queer

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nowadays can you use remote operated units to help test large areas where conflict happened?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Russia wins? No, they don't give a shit
    If Ukraine does? There will probably be some massively underfunded UN effort to clear the mines but it won't be effective enough and you'll probably have Ukrainians dying from mines a century after the war.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the next hundred years or so there's going to be a new "Iron Harvest" in eastern Ukraine much like there is one now in eastern France and Belgium.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Russia know where the mines are, or do they drive over their own?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      little from column a little from column b

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homie, Bosnia has millions of mines still laying around more than two and a half decades after the war was over.
    Every other week some kid or peasent gets btfod in some field.
    That's just how slavs roll.
    Also doubt there will be many people left in the area, bot countries are on course to collapse demographically so they will have plenty of space to live....

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bosnia has millions of mines still laying around
      not they don't, that's hyperbole. I see estimates from 80,000 - 180,000
      >Every other week some kid or peasent gets btfod in some field.
      Only 1 mine death occured in bosnia in 2022 and it was due to moronation
      >in 2022, one mine accident occurred. In the area of the town of Lukavac, a man, collecting firewood, activated a AP
      mine PROM-1 and died. It has been found that accident occurred in area marked with mine warning signs at a distance of about 20 m from the mine sign.
      Ukraine would be an effort exponentially greater than Bosnia but they have been doing slow but steady job clearing mines there and marking dangerous places. It can be done.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i remember as a kid in croatia every now and then somebody would die from mines i think in total about 500 people died from mines and that was mostly in the years after the war
        we would get flyers in school to educate kids about mines
        a lot of mines and uxo got cleaned and i dont remember last time somebody died from a mine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A big part of the problem with clearing UXO is that you can never be completely sure. There's always the possibility that there's another mine hidden away somewhere, and nobody will know until someone steps on it. Many places that have had mines in the past are still locked off from the public because what if?
          Minefields do make nice nature preserves though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Minefields do make nice nature preserves though.
            Fun fact, after first big cleaning, wildlife clean most of mines.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>in 2022, one mine accident occurred. In the area of the town of Lukavac, a man, collecting firewood, activated a AP
        >mine PROM-1 and died. It has been found that accident occurred in area marked with mine warning signs at a distance of about 20 m from the mine sign.
        well at least they can move the sign back another 20 m now

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could lidar from space/drone do the trick?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not? It seems like if you can find some ancient civilisation in the Amazon then you should be able to find buried artifacts from 2023.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if lidar can find [thing jutting out above ground] then lidar can find [thing buried in soil]
          frick off moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No

      it can actually locate even individual mines (at least AT mines) but it's not that useful. you still need to do the pokey thing and clearing them one-by-one which is the hard part.
      t. has mine clearing training

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have those blast-resistant demining drones now, right?
        You could probably combine the two.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >blast-resistant demining drones
          yes this is a exciting new development in the field

          [...]

          >Modern mines
          who said russia is using modern mines moron
          >Also Russia knows where it placed mines
          lol, lmao even

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > who said russia is using modern mines moron
            We are making drones and rockets for this war. Clearly we can make mines.
            Also, even soviet had some self-destruct mechanisms.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    My man this is /k/, we talk about weapons. Zigger spam isn't going to magically make me support Russia anyways

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    South Africa gets to make a killing on demining equipment as always.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the biggest demining mission the U.N. will undertake

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Poking
    Can't you just use MCLC?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >say it's a war
    >say it's going to end

    Are Ziggers deliberately trying to make /k/ look insane?

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    One of the countries that hasn't been criticised much for not providing aid to Ukraine is Turkey, and by the same logic as France holding back to possibly put boots on the ground, Turkey is holding back so Turkish children are wrapped in carpets and told to run across the mine fields. Depending on whether Hungry really turns it's shit around or not Hungarian children might be with them, but negotiations continue.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hungary
      If things continue as they are, then Hungary, Slovakia and Austria will become russian Oblasts this year.
      So Ukraine gets a lot more children to roll over mines.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey is a bit busy on its southern front anon, they get a pass for me. The others do not, but even so, they can be supporting Ukraine in other ways like technology transfer etc, do not discount a country unless the Ukrainian government mentions them by name.
      Turkroaches also sell a lot of stuff to Ukraine via EU gibs, so arguably the EU is paying for Turkish weapons.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Russia knows where it placed mines
    Didn't they attack through their own minefields and get exploded several times already?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The main defences are dragons teeth

    Please stop pretending to be Russian

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >dragon teeths
    Nah we know this is bullshit from long back. The so-called dragon teeth were small, hollow and not even dug into the ground.

    It was all just some oligarch with a concrete company running a grift to skim off the contract.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is going to be an effort to demine once Ukraine regain the territories, but you can expect the south of Dnieper to be an issue for the next 100/150 years.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make Russian children run through the fields, they can handle losing another generation after they kill off this one lmao

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They'll become part of a future EU anti-migrant barrier in the east.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Camps in the south of Ukraine, whoever decide to push further inward will have to cross the minefields, genius.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Plan?

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not just use a huge magnet

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does the situation in ukraine compare to that in cambodia? I've heard cambodian mining was especially bad, both in terms in amount of mines used and civilian casualties due to mining.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >le both sides
      >other people do it, so Russia is not as bad
      Subtle, but no one’s falling for it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I want to know how the cleanup could compare to a heavily mined country like Cambodia, where people have been getting maimed for years. If you have a better comparison country, please use that one instead.
        If you want to discuss the political implications of the ongoing war, go to /misc/.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's a legitimate question you tourist

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Meds again, if the first time wasn't enough

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's wild to think we went from wondering if Ukraine would last a week to thinking about the ramifications of two years of protracted conflict. The world's estimation of Russia was so far off, I think it's going to become one of the world's historical mysteries.

    I'm about to graduate with a degree in polisci, and my classes freshman year are already completely out of date, as are almost all papers about the global state of affairs.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they aren't being shot engineers can clear areas the size of Spain in a couple of months. Usually it's a modified combine with long ass chains that's drone operated. They can spot most of the mines. Without drones it was kind of a pain but doable.
    Oddly enough in the areas the Russians put the mines are the easiest places to remove mines. Maybe it was on purpose. Flat grass land with little rock means if they got a competent corp of engineers 6 months maybe 9. They'd be setting them off like popcorn at times with ground pounders if the density got that high. It has to be on purpose with the mines.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russian prisoners will clean that shit.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there might be hundred of thousands of mines out there, even after 100 years for now people will blow mines accidentally

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Could you do something with microwaves? You'd probably kill the ground but at least you'd get the mines that way. Or is there way too much power required to get adequate depth?

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nope there never really is, if I remember right the Falklands only recently cleared their mines and that's tiny compared to the area covered by Ukrainian.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In that geography when not being attacked you could remove them in 6 to ,9 months.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia wins
    Nothing get's done, mines will kill a few Donetsk children every year and it will be NATOs fault.

    >Ukraine wins
    A decade+ of cleanup, probably with alot of EU support.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You still have people dying from ordnance in Laos and people keep finding new bombs and mines in Belgium and Bosnia decades after the wars ended
    The villages in eastern Ukraine will be depopulated wastelands for probably another century from now

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