Is there a definitive wording or kind of class look for to learn take downs? Not interested in anything flashy or exotic. Just very bare bones this is how to disarm or restrain someone until more help arrives kind of holds. I may be going into a field that deals with this kind of situation. Would come in handy but isn't officially part of the training and want to be ahead of the game.
Yea it's called don't be a fat fuck.
Unironically cheap shoots and pocket sand will win 99% of street fights
I guess it depends on how legal you want to be. A football tackle works, or this guy doing the krav maga testicle oriented shit
But some MMA Brazilian garden gnome Jitzo usually practices takedowns. Or just regular-ass wrestling.
Well it is in another country so safe enough. TSA of sorts. Really should not be the one doing any take downs but again just that lizard brain instinct to be prepared. We are not allowed to carry anything much less cuffs. I want to know how to pin a bastard to the ground while 7 other guys stomp his braincells out. Or more accurately how to avoid being stabbed in the process if it absolutely must come to that.
Does someone have that webm of a cop starting to lose a fight then they bystanders just tackle him and star kicking the shit out of him?
Nevermind, here we go.
I did not expect the morons to jump a moron in favor of a pig.
the pig is going to be severely reprimanded for allowing that beating to go on for as long as it did.
You're bringing heat on your own hood if you fuck around like that. Some of us have to sell narcotics here, sir.
one of my favourite fun facts about organised crime in Australia is that the local groups (can't speak for the foreigners) will actively hunt down any small timers or rogue gangs that get their hands on automatic firearms in order to avoid a police crackdown that might affect their own arsenals
My other fun fact is that some of our larger meth dealing biker gangs recently went international and are reportedly breaking into new markets across south east Asia
How they are doing this I have no idea but I applaud their ambition and sense of entrepreneurship
If it doesn't impact the local population fucking good on them. Boil them in pots I don't give a shit, If it becomes a political agenda prepare for the fail wind storm but if a dem gets elected just carry on. A lot of high paying jobs are seasonal.
w... what?
He's Australian and probably three sheets to the wind. Don't mind him. You lovable blokes.
>will actively hunt down any small timers or rogue gangs that get their hands on automatic firearms in order to avoid a police crackdown that might affect their own arsenals
and people say nonproliferation is a lie
>How they are doing this I have no idea
Australia being an "enlightened" democracy has methadone clinics so the poor dole bludging dears can get their rocks off on the Govt's dime, correct?
simple then: gain access to the methadone supply and sell it to the Indons
it's low risk because the Indons will not kill the golden goose and cut off their own profits
>my dam is such that you cannot destroy it without destroying the river
>How they are doing this
They usually have meth heads buying meth and buying alot of meth.
Not to hard to do just hard to NOT get busted.
>I did not expect the morons to jump a moron in favor of a pig.
maybe they already had an issue with the guy being arrested and made the best of a good opportunity
Like
said. You don't want to bring more cops to your home. I used to live in Oakland and two retarded decided to jump the mailman because they didn't get their welfare check. Bad fucking move. Mailmen are federal fucking workers which means the Feds came to the neighborhood.
Those two were quickly taken care of.
Yeah, this is the first time I've ever seen nigs attack one of their own to defend a cop, much less a white cop. Wow.
I doubt they were defending him, he probably responded to a fight and when he totally fumbled that detention, the fight resumed.
Depends on what the guy's being arrested for. If you're an asshole that beats up old ladies or children or whatever, even the worst neighborhoods usually won't like you.
Yeah I still don't like criminals.
>I did not expect the morons to jump a moron in favor of a pig
Some of them are probably drug dealers and don't want to heat to come to town.
They can also just be sick of criminals and or hate that one Black in particular.
Might sound weird, but most black people are just trying to get by and they don't want a vegetable cop putting their neighborhood in the crosshairs.
Is that guy wearing underwear?
Also they do this because they don't want the bobbies to come down hard on em if an officer gets stomped out.
why are the swedes helping the pig?
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is everywhere. Check your local strip mall between the Vape shop and the Cricket Wireless.
>how to avoid being stabbed
Practically impossible. If the other guy has got a knife or a dagger, you pull out a gun or run away. Its not worth it to get close.
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I'm almost certain the US manual says knee the kraut lmao.
My plan unironically. I’ve never been in a fight and I’m a professional at avoiding and deescalating. If someone really forced me into a fight situation you better believe I’m fighting dirty, assuming I dont just shoot them. Breaking fingers sideways, nut shots, ear ripping, knee kicking, eye gauging, biting, throat punching. It’s all fair when you pick a fight with someone who definitely would rather just walk away.
You're a dumb nerd and will lose terribly in a fight.
Honesty I don’t doubt it. Don’t have any fight experience. So my goal is to just inflect as much pain as possible as fast as possible and gtfo.
If you don’t have any training the likeliness of you hurting someone is pretty low. An MMA/boxing/wrestling gym is a good start, and usually you’ll meet a lot of bros. Avoid pure (B)JJ gyms though, as they’re almost entirely populated by stoners and latent homosexuals.
Oi, vat's moi purse bruv! Oi don't know yew!
i was expecting a head kick at the end. nice composure.
The little man is white. That would be the case if it was the other way, friend.
>that head pat at the end
tender mercies
This is pretty standard Gracie jujitsu. BJJ classes are everywhere. I would recommend Gracie combatives if you can find it. A lot of BJJ gyms are too oriented towards sports competition and have strayed from the original program.
a hunnerd percent b, gracie blowjob jitsu is the way to go, just need them to get in my guard.
Yes. That's the problem. BJJ has become too sports oriented at most clubs. The kid in the video did a pretty basic single leg takedown and RNC without getting hit by the man with the longer reach.
UFC needs to bring back soccer kicks. Every BJJ guard puller will finally get exposed for the 1 trick pony they are.
Funny thing that will make BJJ stronger and stand up punchers weaker. Because today if puncher is pulled down he can pull guard all day long and there is little instruments to submit him.
being on the ground... game over
BJJ doesn't do enough standup takedowns to meet OPs requirements, wrestling or judo is what he wants.
is this that white supremacy everyone talking about?
>Mo-Fucker, Jue Jue ain't Sheeeiitt... .Auuukk!
Nice single leg take down.
This has to be fake. You can poke him in the eye.
No anon, untrained street savages actually fall down like that once you get them into a choke and stop the blood stream to their brain, they will be back after the reset though so you better get the fuck out of dodge.
Also, don’t choke for too long / crush their windpipe or it’s a homicide.
Basically don’t do that shit if you’re not trained in it.
As a trained LEO I can just tell people to go check out multiple styles and fights and get good at a few locks, take down and tackles until they are muscle memory and then use what you can once shit’s ge to shove.
In an actual fight you will have to improvise and you will have to use what you know and you will not have alot of time to think.
Krav Maga for example is very much just that, a few kicks and punches, a few “how do I get out of this situations” and a few ways to subdue your opponent but nothing too fancy.
Always KISS.
>As a trained LEO I can just......
kek
100% hits on the black, I don't see the problem.
>>>As a trained LEO I can just......
>>kek
>posts an image of an incredible shooting performance
Uh, anon? Do you actually own any guns? Do you shoot them?
>This has to be fake. You can poke him in the eye.
You are being choked which means you can't breathe and you aren't getting enough blood to the brain. Your first instinct is to just panic and try to stop that rather than some rational counter. Low IQ street idiots just rely upon brute strength than anything else.
All real "self defense" should be about getting OUT of the situation as fast as possible.
Absolutely, but this is not about self defense it’s about the people who are paid and expected to handle the situations.
These little episodes of hindsight are why you're going to get destroyed the first time you're in a fight.
Heem sleepy!
>mild training
>keeps moving
>believes in himself
This is all thats needed for 95% of violent encounters.
That head pat shows real training, discipline and compassion.
buck status?
walk of a champ
props on him for daring to get sweaty moron all over himself tho
Fun fact: learn how to grab. If someone presents their head like that, rip off their ears.
The problem with these
>Bite their leg if you're armbared
>Bite their arm if you're choked
>Whack their nuts if you're head locked
Tactics is that while your opponent now has a chunk of their body in your mouth, you're still about to have your arm broken or lose consciousness. This imminent defeat is going to be a whole lot worse now that you've royally pissed off your opponent.
I saw something like this happen when I was younger. Some kid who knew Ju Jitsu got into a fight with some autistic kid at a party. Autismo thought it was a good idea to bite an arm while being choked. The other kid released his grip and ripped his arm out his mouth. It ended up nearly breaking Autismo's jaw and doing some sort of damage to his neck, I never really found out what happened after that. But it ended up hurting him more than if he had just gone to sleep.
>I saw something like this happen
No you didn't.
Ideally you got a spray deterrence, thwacking stick, and firearm. If it's gotten that close and physical, maybe an easily accessible blade.
There's not that much science to killing a man. Martial arts goes into when caveman doesn't have rock or stick.
Plenty of videos out there of people who can grapple and strike beating and disarming regular street thugs that are armed. Not saying its a good idea or ideal, but you're severely underestimating what a good fighter can do to a non-trained fighter
you people always turn up with the "poke the eyes of the guy ina position to choke you to death" take. He could choke you to death with no eyes. All he needs to do to kill you is just hang on for an extra minute or so
Lanky kids, when will they learn.
If the moron had a sword or a spear this would have gone very differently
>if i had a weapon i wouldve won the brawl i just lost against an unarmed dude
yeah idiot thats how weapons work
fine motor movements go out of the window during a fight so good luck trying to find and get his ears while keeping your balance, not to mention that he got taken down in half a second fron the single leg and that trying to use pain tolerance on a guy full of adrenaline simply wont work.
the more well trained guy in top position will always be in a better position to gouge eyes or crush balls on the ground.
OOOOOH IT'S DEEP
The strong should fear the weak
You do not want to go to the ground in a physical confrontation. End the fight standing by punching.
Christ I know this is stupid but I'm 5'10 female. Limber but pretty skinny. I can do 20x4 rep max on bicep free weights. More or less want to intangible anyone that requires my personal involvement. Like worst care scenario I am not risking my life or gobmint wage over some hero complex but it feels fucking ditty to not be prepared juuuuuuuuust in case.
Post bobs and vageen.
Seriously though, it's just the natural instinct of males that if you were in that situation they'd mob the fuck out of whoever is attacking you. With your small stature and feminine nature, you should go for the nuts or start jamming your fingernails into his eyes.
Negative ghost rider. No bobs beyond this post. I mentioned it only because the thread is about take downs and I soar when the wind catches. My dad taught me a behind the back subtle hold to get a intoxicated person under complete control via arm manipulation but I can't remember it for the life of me,
A regular full nelson chokeout is probably ideal if you don't want to kill him.
You know the rules, and so do i
Enjoy getting raped idiot
A steel pen can be very handy and very lethal. A pen jabbed sharply in the armpit or chin can cause a lot of pain and shock. So much pain that the attacker's original plan changes. It's more painful to be stabbed with a pen than a knife because a sharp object will cut you and you won't notice it immediately. Something dull and pointy creates a lot of shock. And if the cops show up, you didn't use a knife or a gun.
Now, if that sounds like some Jason Bourne shit, keep in mind that I'm not talking about incapacitating a room full of thugs in a blur of fists and rolled-up magazines but distracting your attacker for the few seconds it takes for you to make a desperate run for it. Real people don't go down easily, but they do get distracted by pain. If you're trying to escape a dangerous situation, you're always better off causing as much pain as quickly as you can, and then running like fuck while your foe catches up to his nervous system.
Usually there are no winners in violent situations, just survivors.
There is some decent female self defence out there. A lot of crap, but a handful of legit stuff.
Defend Yourself - Cynthia Rothrock
Women Self Defense w/Magnificent Mimi and Tino Orsini
Kathy Long Championship Kickboxing training video 1990s fighting and self-defense techniques
Practical Self Defense Vol 1 by Graciela Casillas
Women's Self-defense Seminar with Rener and Eve Gracie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBMIn4NesHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-8kGqYu9A
June Castro Kickboxing for Women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUiw59IvM94
you're in PrepHole
get a gun. thats how you win 99.999% of all engagements regardless of strength difference.
God creates all men and women. Colt made them equal.
Martial arts will help but if you're serious about defense use something that can actual kill. Forget about those memes batons or handheld stabby pens or a ball on a rope, and go get a gun or a knife, preferably a gun.
One of my first teachers in grappling was 4'11 female. She regularly spanked dudes over 200#. Skill matters, as does an accurate self assessment of your capabilities. She never fought for a grip or tried to muscle someone over, she climbed all over like a spider monkey until you left her an opening.
For you, plain vanilla self defense jujitsu and or judo will fill the bill. Stay out of MMA training, it's fine but it's meant for meatheads and geared toward competition. Whatever place you pick, the most important thing is that they train realistically, I.e. ending class with a free roll session and practicing on resistant opponents
Fitness is the next big thing. You have no idea how much energy even 30 seconds of fighting can take out of you. Hit the road as well your dojo/
>made up story
>mma is for competition
>train realistically
>free roll session
Might as well tell OP to practice kung fu and hone his warrior spirit lol.
>Skill matters, as does an accurate self assessment of your capabilities.
>muh free roll sessions
i get what you're saying, but do you really expect to be rolling in a parking lot? ... you do know what it's like to roll in a parking lot right?
>One of my first teachers in grappling was 4'11 female. She regularly spanked dudes over 200#. Skill matters, as does an accurate self assessment of your capabilities. She never fought for a grip or tried to muscle someone over, she climbed all over like a spider monkey until you left her an opening.
and in a real fight she'd just get hit once and that would be that (assuming you found anybody willing to actually hit a girl so small)
>assuming you found anybody willing to actually hit a girl so small
If you would hit an uppity manlet, why would you be afraid to hit an uppity femoid just because she’s small?
I was expelled from campus and had to finish graduation in a work from home continuation school for hitting an obnoxious cunt in the face and knocking out her cuspid.
Talk shit get hit.
ignore all the dumb cunts talking about RiPpIng OuT TheiR EyEYs. That's not going to work, you're going to take someone who was looking for your purse or whatever and turn them into someone that's going to fight you to the death like their life depended on it.
Do BJJ, if you get good at it you can choke out a male much bigger than you, for real. it will take you years to reach that point but just do it.
In general you just want to be a much bigger pain in the ass than the next person to rob or rape. These people are cowards and want an easy target. If they are determined to abdupt rape and murder you then they likely will unless you have a gun. However, you'll likely put off oppertunistic weirdos who'll slink off to get someone else. It's happened IRL enough times
>I'm 5'10 female
>skinny
>I soar when the wind catches
>I can't remember it for the life of me
what on earth are you doing here
you're never going to learn enough leverage to overcome a jacked-up aggro dude with twice your muscle mass looking to go to poundtown on your ass
>hurr durr I does a lock
and then he brute forces his way out of it and coldcocks you
get armed, get a baton or mace, and most importantly, be PREPARED to act.
I've won and lost a couple of pub punch-ups. Nothing fancy, just disagreements after a few too many. Well, one mugging. Most of the time, s/he who acts first and decisively has CONSIDERABLE advantage over one too slow, reluctant, or uncommitted to the fight. I've seen stronger and better trained people lose to nominally weaker opponents because they were unprepared to commit.
Again, that's not to say your skinny ass will turn the tables on a huge motherfucker just cause you're "committed". It's just that I've seen too many people - men as well, but predominantly women - who ought to win on strength and skill alone, fold easily just because they were off-guard.
Gonna hump such strong children into you after I wrestle you down.
What you're looking for is "reality based martial arts", but there is an amazing amount of absolute shit being taught under that name. The Dunning–Kruger effect never hit an industry as hard as it has the martial arts. Half these assholes have never been in a fight, or even sparred, and probably honestly think their moves will work the way they think they will because they've never been tested against a resisting opponent.
Best stuff for security, bouncers, bodyguards, prison guards and law enforcement are the arts developed specifically for them, by guys in the industry.
Krav Maga, Taiho-jutsu, Geoff Thompson, Paul Vunak's RAT system, Tony Blauer's SPEAR system, Bas Rutten, Marc MacYoung, and Gene LeBell are some names and styles to look for.
Of course there's a lot of really, really bad advice and bad teachers and useless styles out there too, but those are the best in stripped-down, no-bullshit styles where everything you'll learn will save your ass.
Allowing for some of the Krav Maga out there being comically bad, and Paul Vunak being coked up to the eyeballs.
Lerdrit is probably good too, if you can find a place teaching it, but again, I can't vouch for individual schools and teachers beyond the ones I mentioned.
Probably avoid DUST and Ki Chuan Do. And Systema is polluted with a lot of garbage, so who knows if you're going to end up with a good teacher or a complete asshat, so I can't recommend that in all honesty either. Defendu used to be a good style, but I think the real stuff went extinct.
If you're going to use a baton, maybe look into the Dog Brothers.
If all else fails, looks for a boxing gym, a Judo place, or the Filipino martial arts, like Escrima, Kali, and Arnis De Mani.
Wrestling and boxing have never gone out of style for a reason. Judo is international and has great takedowns.
Mma
Judo.
Dont take jiujitsu, its more like if you already got the takedown
garden gnome Jitsu and or Judo
Cops are no longer PrepHole, your comarads have soiled your profession name to a point that once you join you automatically become a glowmoron and your fren previlege are hereby revoked
Only way to redeem your name is to arrest and put in jail a prominent no gunz politician
You can learn most wrestling stuff by watching a video then trying it out on a willing participant. College style wrestling is pretty simple. You can get fancy if you ever wanted to, but as long as you figure out one takedown and get decent at it, you're ahead of most regular people. Wrestling doesn't teach much in the way of defending yourself from strikes for obvious reasons. But it does teach how to avoid being taken down, how to get out of a surprising amount of holds or chokes, and you can learn it all pretty quickly assuming you devote time to some serious practice.
Anything into joint locks or chokes and you'll need to get into BJJ, or something.
However, if you are going to be getting into fights with crackheads, I would encourage you to NOT try and go to the ground and roll around with them. I think you should pick up boxing or kickboxing instead. That is just my opinion. You can have the BEST hold on someone, then his buddy can walk up and stomp on your head,
>You can have the BEST hold on someone, then his buddy can walk up and stomp on your head
Fucking facts
You don't learn grappling so you can have a funsies ground time with a guy. You learn it so he doesn't have a funsies grab time with you. Since you gays love to talk about multiple opponents, how are you gonna fight 2 or more guys if you can't even outgrapple 1 lololol. Their buddy will instinctively try to grab you while his friend strikes you.
I think that was kind of the point of the Black beatdown video upper in this thread. You aren't fighting one on one. If you are, you dun goof'd. Even these blackamores know this shit. So get a gun, knife, or solid stick to fuck them up before it ever comes to hands. And a decent grasp of verbal deescalation and situational awareness before it come to it.
1) don't be in that situation
2) have backup
3) if you are in that situation, know when to hold em and know when to fold em
4) consider talking or paying your way out
5) if you really have no choice, have a weapon and know how to use it
6) embrace the oldest and noblest of pirate traditions: fight to run away
One must have fucked up considerably to ever be in a situation where one is outnumbered and there's no way out. IF of course such a situation has inevitably occurred, I'd say keeping your feet and keeping your distance is probably the best recourse rather than grounding and grappling.
>You learn it so he doesn't have a funsies grab time with you
Fair
>You can learn most wrestling stuff by watching a video then trying it out on a willing participan
No. You can't. At best you become backyard WWE wannabes and forget that your shit has nothing to do with real life. You need a proper coach/team/gym/dojo to learn anything other than "me tackle him ugh"
What a fuckin recovery.
learn judo or (if you can find it) wrestling.
If you want to learn how to choke or break joints after the takedown go learn bjj.
People will always say how you dont want to grapple or go to the ground in a street fight because the other guy could have weapons or other buddies to help him out.
the way I see it, youre fucked anyways if either is true, even if youre a champion boxer. So you might as well learn the grappling since its THE definitive martial art for 1v1s; being the much better grappler allows you to beat people much heavier than the people you could beat if you were striking. There are lucky strikes you can get caught with but there are no lucky takedowns or submissions
>fight me bitch come on let’s go! Fight me like a man!
>no
Greco roman or freestyle wrestling is one of the best most practical no bullshit martial arts for taking someone down and having complete control over their body. If you didn't wrestle in highschool you missed out.
Absolutely this. This guy
rekt MUH REACH with basic high school wrestling moves. Don't let the ridiculous unitards and headgear fool you.
Judo. You want to learn basic judo. It is a martial art entirely about what you're describing.
Wrestling
Everything else is MMA cope
>Crowdsourcing the word "wrestling"
You are not going to win a fight.
judo gets alot of hate, but the art is designed to take down people wearing clothing as a fight ender without the need to pummel them into submission. Combine that with concrete and an art that has had very little recognition in MMA becomes deadly in your typical urban environment
it gets alot of hate in large part because it cucked itself with its rule changes and leg grab bans, and in some part because most PrepHoleunts here are US posters and they have a chauvinistic pride in freestyle and folkstyle wrestling. Theres also a wrestling bias in the states, where most UFC fighters come from because wrestling is massive in the states compared to everything else
If you want to see how pre-2010s judo would do in MMA go see fedor, karo parysian, and the dagestanis. pre rule change judo and sambo are interchangeable, and most russian judokas are simultaneously sambists.
wrastlin, any kind
BJJ
Judo
im a bong who's done boxing for a year and a half and want to start grappling soon: do I do Judo or wrestling? both are similar distances away but the wrasslin will be mainly with pakis and other browns and the judo with whites. the judo is also, obviously, in a nicer area compared to the wrestling.
Wrestling
Judo
BJJ
Sambo
MMA