Is the US military a paper tiger?

Is the US military a paper tiger?
>Only experience fighting is against insurgents, has little to no experience against a conventional military within the last 19 years
>American economy is a service economy unsuited for the mass production of weaponry, with both weapons and soldiers being slower and more expensive to produce compared to peers like China
>Military-Industrial Complex ensures that weapons are designed to be expensive rather than effective
>Increasingly concerned with diversity quotas over meritocracy, would never tolerate a group like the Azov Regiment existing within the military structure
>Vast majority of the civilian population has neither the will to fight nor is physically fit enough to join the military in the first place

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    short answer: no
    long answer: no, retard

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Redpill: Yes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Only experience is fighting insurgents
        Which is better than none by a country mile, and frequently practices with wargames and training events with allies.
        >American economy is a service economy that doesn't build anything
        This is maybe true for zoomers, but false in every regard. You have no idea how much absolute bullshit the US makes domestically. Do you think all of our military hardware is imported?
        >MIC ensures expense over effect
        That doesn't even hold up to the most basic of scrutiny. If this were the case, the US would have a fuckton of hardware that stopped advancing in the 60s, no optics, no effort put into C&C, etc. Hell, the F-35 costs less per airframe than most other modern jets.
        American shit is expensive because people working here expect to get paid a lot, and because the shit you need to stay ahead of competition is hard.
        >Increasingly concerned with diversity over meritocracy
        This is culture war bullshit that people addicted to drama fap over.
        >Would never let Azov exist
        They also wouldn't let a unit flying the hammer and sickle exist, is being professional now a bad thing, right after you question US military professionalism?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you're not retarded, you're special!
        >you're not retarded, you're redpilled!
        I hate America so much, I hate it even more because no viable alternative exists.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >negative comparisons to both china and russia
    lol. russia is clearly useless and china hasn't done anything more than stickfight in decades.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When 1/4th of the US military is women and over 40% of the US military is non-white how exactly is the US military supposed to go head-to-head against any nation that knows how to fight?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Which nation knows how to fight?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine, Poland, Finland, the Baltic states. The based white countries without immigrants pretty much.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Phew, thank god those are allies of USA so there is no need to go to war against them

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              For now, but now that Russia is proven to be a non-threat whose to say they won't turn against the US?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                are you diagnosed with any learning disabilities?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes i'm trans.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Do you not know the long history of the US arming people that would later become its enemies? It happened with the Taliban, no reason it won't happen with eastern Europe.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Long history
                >Taliban
                I-is that it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The Soviet Union too

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Besides the fact that the Soviet Union is a terrible example that's two in the last 100 years.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no reason it won't happen with eastern Europe.
                Eastern Europe is more pro-US than Western Europe

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Only because Russia was a threat, now that Russia is gone the vast differences between the two cultures will start to lead to violence and conflict between the US and eastern Europe.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >now that Russia is gone
                As long as the Moscovite scum still exist, there is a chance they try again.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No? At best you'll see what you're seeing now - right-wing governments complaining about EU exporting globohomo while still receiving money from the EU

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why the fuck would Ukraine, Poland, or the Baltic states go to war with the U.S.?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              With Russia is no longer a threat they want to break away from the Protestant/Atheist, Globalist, Secular, Liberal culture of the USA and form their own nationalistic Catholic/Orthodox fascist alliance and spread its influence.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you getting all of your geopolitical takes from 4chan
                You have absolutely zero idea about Eastern Europe

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Catholic/Orthodox alliance
                Stop smoking crack.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's happened before, fascist Italy and fascist Romania fought on the same side together after all.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, those women aren't on the front line. 90% of them probably just work in offices and logistics. When have you ever seen a woman fighting on the front line in Iraq, Afghanistan, or with SOF in Africa?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Does it matter? Women can't be trusted with jobs, if you have a woman working in the rear echelon then your logistics and intelligence is going to be fucked up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, at least you're transparent in your retardation

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is true of anyone you routinely beat down and consider to be worthless in their formative years. See: Russian men.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he posted with cheeto stained hands from his mother’s basement.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >logistics
          Not sure if its better or worse. On the one hand youll have less friendly fire incidents but on the other suplly will be complete shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Much like in WWII were women made up a large portion of manufacturing jobs and the US production was nonexistent through-out as a result.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > non-white
        Neither were Japanese soldiers in WW2. Or the Chadian troops in the Toyota War. Literally irrelevant to ability to fight, as the russians have recently shown.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Japanese were beaten anon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            at considerable cost despite tremendous inferiority in nearly every field, logistical nightmares and grievous casualties. There's a reason the US decided a nuke would be a cheaper way to end the war.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Over 99% of the PLA are non-white.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The difference between Russian corruption and American corruption is the difference between having 1.5 million uniforms embezzled entirely, vs a stealth fighter costing $1.5B more than it has to

    American weapons are too expensive but they have more of them than the rest of the world combined, vs Russia's one-off prototype wunderwaffles

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >19 years
    hmm i wonder what happened that long ago.

    >Designed to be expensive
    How much money does the US government get back in corporate tax of the company they brought shit from and the income tax of its individual employees? Also US government tenders AFAIK (im not American so correct me on this) are lawfully required to choose the cheapest option in order to reduce corruption.

    >Would never tolerate a group like Azov regiment within the military structure
    Because it was literally a political militia that was hardly under the control of the central government even after it was formally incorporated into the national guard, and was only incorporated because they needed the volunteers and disbanding them would've meant hostilities with its members. You don't encourage groups like that to exist when you dont need them.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, and the scarriest part is that they are giving weapons to their future enemy
    hohols are a large minority in canada and soon to be a majority with hyper farmer breeding program, at that point they will directly annex it and try to annex majority hohol parts of usa
    americos better stop this insanity

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds good to me. Ukrainians will be more reasonable than Canadians about exploiting their natural resources.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Americans are basically the only "real" tiger left. But that's always tenuous. Only takes a generation of mismanagement and neglect to completely fuck it all up.
    Complacency is the deadliest enemy of all.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Only experience fighting is against insurgents, has little to no experience against a conventional military within the last 19 years
    This is the only point that is somewhat relevant. It's also not new for the US. Every time the US has gotten involved in a real conventional war they got a bloody nose before getting their shit together. The US military would probably make some serious mistakes at the beginning of one now but I don't doubt it wouldn't get it together and start kicking ass.
    >American economy is a service economy unsuited for the mass production of weaponry, with both weapons and soldiers being slower and more expensive to produce compared to peers like China
    China doesn't produce military equipment any better than any other country right now. The US probably has among the best capacity to not only produce equipment that it needs but more importantly produce up-to-date equipment. China can't do that. Russia can't do that. No country in Europe can do that.
    >Military-Industrial Complex ensures that weapons are designed to be expensive rather than effective
    US military technology is very effective and expensive to design. Projects are money pits but they still put out equipment that is better than 95% of what anyone makes.
    >Increasingly concerned with diversity quotas over meritocracy, would never tolerate a group like the Azov Regiment existing within the military structure
    Not even relevant. The US goes through cycles of recruitment advertisements. When they don't need soldiers (like during a draw down of forces after pulling out of a country) they run the "get a college degree while working as a single mother" ads and when they need actual soldiers they play the "be a man among men" ads. All of the single mothers and diversity recruits work office jobs. They aren't seeing any combat or important command role.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Vast majority of the civilian population has neither the will to fight nor is physically fit enough to join the military in the first place
      The US military is very good at getting people into shape and trained to be a soldier. Political will for joining a war can change with the right circumstances.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you retarded?

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every military is a paper tiger these days. Young men don't believe the propaganda anymore because of the internet, and if you don't have young men then you don't have a military,

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    idk, the US military gives over spare military equipment to some 3rd world shithole and they blow the shit out of the other 3rd world shithole. so there's that

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    America has way too much money to be a paper tiger. If if they had a qualitatively shit military, which they don't, they can just fight until they win, improving through sheer combat experience, just like in WW2.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was the US who trained the Ukrainians to the state in which they are right now.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't mess with anyone who can deploy Burker King at any place in the world in less than 24 hours.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the US military a paper tiger?
    Yeah, definitely. Go ahead and try and prove it.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, only based, trad and Christian countries like Russia know how to fight

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If US and it's goons (NATO) was a paper tiger without any strategic and tactical knowledge on how to fight acutal wars how come they (US and it's goons) were able to train Ukrainians to fight an invading force they were unable to do anything against merely 8 years earlier (2014 Crimea)?

    US and it's sidekicks (NATO) are the only countries whose military has any idea how to conduct a successful military campaign on a scale larger than a fistfight between a dozen drunk soldiers because they (US and it's lapdogs (NATO)) were the only ones to do so in the last 50 years.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a bait thread but I’ll bite.
    >Only experience fighting is against insurgents
    Insurgents that pushed back the Russians in the afghan war. Multiple people who had been quoted saying that deployments into Afghanistan was going up against veteran mujahideen fighters.
    >American economy is a service economy
    There are still large sections of the Midwest that are factory based. I imagine re-tooling and getting up to war economy levels of production would take time, but we have a decent amount of surplus to hold us over till then. The Chinese soldier takes no time to prepare but look how well they fair against someone who takes even less for instance India. They were beaten my 200 less people.
    >Military-Industrial Complex
    They cost so much cause they work. How’d the javelin middle systems we sent to Ukraine fair? How effective has the artillery systems been doing? F-22 is still the only 6th generation fighter that has been produced in a usable amount. They are expensive but they are also extremely effective.
    >Increasingly concerned with diversity quotas over meritocracy
    The culture is a elastic one that shifts and changes to what it needs. At the end of the day increasing the acceptance and encouraging people to go into a field they may not initially feel comfortable in promotes people who are more likely to thrive and breed success. You don’t want and exclusive military you want an inclusive one where everyone understands the values and executes the mission. While we will never have “Azov like” regiments we’ll work with them if that’s what is needed to execute the mission. Just doesn’t mean we’ll be friends.
    >Vast majority of the civilian population
    Plenty of physically fit and competent people who are willing. There is no cause, there is no perceived enemy to fight so people don’t see the need to enlist/commission. We’re down in recruitment quotas but if something goes down I’d imagine you’d see post 9/11 levels of involvement.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not really,
    Russia is clearly completely useless and the only thing China has done is beat up Poos with sticks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean getting beaten up by Poos with sticks.

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