Is the Su-75 dead now given the sanctions?

Is the Su-75 dead now given the sanctions? The only way I think they could still scavange this plane is to develop a VTOL variant by turning It into a more aesthetic X-32 and sell It to the chinese who currently have 3 finished LHD's with no planes to take off from them

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything russian is kaput

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trust the sanctions, TWO MORE WEEKS!
      America is not the #1 world economic power any more. China easily rivals us. We're still ahead in advanced aerospace equipment. But China can supply Russia with the tech components they need to get the Su-75 off the ground.

      Case in point: when this war started and the sanctions hit, everyone was mocking Russia saying they won't be able to even play vidya any more for a lack of computer chips. Since then we've discovered that China is fabricating some chips on a smaller process than fucking Intel. Right now we are #3 in chip fabrication BEHIND Taiwan and China. Intel doesn't expect to match them for at least a year. Russia is not going to have any problems getting computer chips. At this moment if we want the smallest fab process in the world we have to order from Taiwan, and Russia has to order from China. If China takes Taiwan, WE will be stuck with chips one generation behind the best.

      Fucking boomers and their stupid belief that the sanctions are doing anything other than accelerating the formation of BRICS, alternatives to SWIFT, and a new world reserve currency. We need to see China and Russia has threats, not sit in armchairs masturbating to sanctions. And we need to reverse the economic, manufacturing, and technological decline which is occurring in America.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be so sure. China's housing market is a massive amount of its GDP, and it is imploding. If China's economy crashes and the life savings of the Chinese middle class cease to exist.....things are going to get ugly real fast there. Especially since China is still locked in Zero-COVID mode.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >China's housing market is a massive amount of its GDP, and it is imploding. If China's economy crashes and the life savings of the Chinese middle class cease to exist

          I have heard before been said like this since 2008

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Aren't there Chinese protests about their saving lost?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since this is going to detail a bit. Intel 4 is coming online and will be mass produced quickly. But Intel fabs have a much denser package. And quickly, they are going to 5nm. One of the reasons I hate going to this kind of debate is how useless that number have become. Intel's 10nm process is much more dense. Anandtech have a good read about this. And as always, the people should be good too. One of the reasons why Apple Silicon is very very good.

        And oh, re BRICS, some anon posted a chart where it isn't doing what it supposed to do. And yeah lol, you don't have grasp of what a reserve currency does.

        And also, uhm, Russia isn't doing fine even in their manufacturing sectors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Intel's "5nm" is going to be made outsouced to TSMC: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20220503PD216.html

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And? There's nothing 5nm in TSMCs process. These numbers are fucking stupid stop comparing them

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Intel can't compete until ASML releases Its next "High NA" lithography machine (which Intel has booked all the orders right now). It's funny because Intel was the company that financed ASML's EUV machines when they were still in the prototype phase and could have asked for a exclusive deal, yet they didn't which allowed TSMC to buy most of the production afterwards.
              This is the real reason why Intel is struggling to even put 10nm out in large numbers, they just don't have enough EUV machines since TSMC bought most of them and ASML production is very slow due to how complex those machines are

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With so many new fabs being made in America, I think Intel will catch up soon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No matter how many new fabs Intel builds in the US, if they don't have sufficient EUV machines (they're the real bottleneck right now since only ASML can make then and their production is extremely slow) won't be able to compete with TSMC which have several fabs full of EUVs already working 24/7 (TSMC bought them when Intel was sleeping on their laurels and were thinking that 14nm was enough for the consumer market, thus they didn't buy EUV's in large numbers from ASML).
                This is why their only hope is that ASML finishes their High NA lithography machines (which are going to be the next generation after EUV) as soon as possible so Intel gets to hoard those machines instead of TSMC

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I doubt that sort of thing wouldn't already be planned for. Lots of new fabs are being made in Arizona. Surely some will have these so called EUV machines.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Surely some will have these so called EUV machines
                That's not for you to decide, ASML's production of EUV's is extremely slow and their low production has been booked by TSMC

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well that is a nice argument, Senator, but I'll hold on to the idea that fabs wouldn't have millions invested into them for nothing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody thought Intel was resting on their laurels. They bet on better immersion techniques but that didn’t pan out. Also some very unfortunate diversity hires in leadership roles helped in their own ways. Because they had been driven into a wall all they could do for years was to engineer more and more parallel tech to keep them in command of the performance crown.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were literally milking the 14nm process and even thought that 14nm was enough for most consumers (the same shit that the japanese lithography companies, Canon and Nikon thought that 28nm DUV machines were going to be enough for the market unilt ASML destroyed them with EUV)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >TWO MORE WEEKS!
        Why do vatniks keep pretending this phrase didn't originate with them and then others used it to mock them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Utter lie. China made chip development and building a top fab process one of their HIGHEST national objectives — and they’re currently in the tech demo stage (not actual working production systems) for fab process DECADES behind Intel and comically inferior to TSMC. China is SO far away from the latest extreme ultraviolet lithography they’re better positioned to land on Mars

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's basically no market for it anymore. Russia can't finish it with the current sanctions. Nobody wants to buy into it because they know how much of a risk it is to get into Russian military hardware. The only countries still buying Russian are poor ones that are locked in because all their gear is already Russian. These countries are shitholes in Africa, who couldn't afford the Su-75 anyway.

    For richer countries like India, they see that Russia is liable to lose manufacturing capabilities rapidly. Plus, Russia was not exactly able to mass produce Su-57 even before Ukraine. These neutral countries would rather get something like the Rafale or Gripen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      India has had to cancel russian contracts due to non-delivery on their newest stuff. Buying "new" post-2014 sanctions is like buying something out of stock on Eurooptic that says "backordered'. There is 0 evidence it will ever be available again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only countries still buying Russian are poor ones that are locked in because all their gear is already Russian.
      Plus, it's quite likely that many of these countries will end up buying JF-17s instead if Russia doesn't manage to nationalize all of the avionics and electronics they were using in their fighter jets.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians made a mockup to attract investments from pajeets and Africans who want f35 but le cheap, of course, it's dead.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >want f35 but cheap
      Rafael is almost the same price as f35

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the Su-75 supposedly was going to cost 20 million per unit

      • 2 weeks ago
        afatoldman

        The Rafale is cheaper to operate, at least as I understand it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not quite.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > develop a VTOL variant
    The problem with that is that the VEH diagram of “countries that need VTOL” and “countries that can afford a modern-ish fighter” have very little overlap.

    And what overlap there is is basically filled by F-35

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China would be the only customer since they have 3 brand new LHD's with no VTOL aircraft and they can't guy the F-35B from the USA

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With China this seems like its changing rapidly. China has been distancing itself from Russian manufacture for a long while, and they're increasing that distance rapidly since the beginning of this year. The COMAC program is a big canary for how their industrial relationship is going.

        It seems like a heck of a lot of countries who saw Russia as their local friendly dealer are realizing he's getting all coked up on his own supply and has been cutting what he sells them with cheap filler. They figure if this is what they're gonna get, they might as well make it at home because it's feasible.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          COMAC is a civilian plane that the chinese want to be to able to fly in both European and American airspace, so distancing themselves with the Russians makes sense in that regard. But in military matters they are not distancing themselves by any means, since just recently China sent ZTZ-96 tanks to Russia to participate in this year's military games: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3186541/china-sends-troops-and-tanks-russia-ahead-next-months-military

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good point.

            I wonder how realistic these "games" are going to be.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One particular thing I guess many countries will have a long think about, that with sanctions in place, keep up and supply will be very shaky for shit they buy from russia.
          Dont expect them to be able to make spare parts if their factories are standing still starved of materials, basic building elements like chips and tech...

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Su-75 dead now
    >now
    Russia's military development capability has been dead since 1991.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Su-75 dead now given the sanctions?
    Yes.
    Femboy was supposed to be export fighter build using western components (unlike aircraft's for Russian mil). that was supposed to give her big edge in development costs, performance and price. With sanctions no components and possible export markets are shrank.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dead now
    It was dead the moment they decided to start it when US was already flying F-22 and mass-ordering F-35. It's stale mate at best, but realistically struggling to catch up.

    If you want a system to survive you start developing NEXT generation of that enemy just completed. That way when they start deploying you have a chance to put out something better, that can at least try to compete in smaller numbers. Dunno.. make an ekranoplan capable fighter or something since you cannot into carriers. Or that hypersonic magic you have. Or orbital. Barely starting on worse copy of what enemy is already mass fielding will give nothing but dead project.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how can it be dead if it never existed in the first place?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's unironically over for Russia, we will be witnessing the final collapse within the next 10 years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >final collapse
      That's western thinking. The whole essence of Russian existence is being in perpetual collapse. Otherwise Russian get frustrated, unmotivated, aimless or even angry until natural balance of chaos is restored. Order and highly sophisticated functions society in west is seen as artificial, vile perversion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nah you are mixing up perpetual collapse and simple suffering for the better future (which usually never comes)
        collapse was the 90s and they really dont want to touch it again

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think what he means is the end of the nation of Russia, period. Balkanization.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was it ever alive?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mig 21 with a body kit

  12. 2 weeks ago
    afatoldman

    Here's a question: should India buy the KF21 to replace its fleet of old MiG21s and MiG29s?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The SU-75 is basically a smaller, single-engine SU-57. The reason the russians developed it in the first place was because they knew they were not going to be able to get many engines quickly and wanted a way to get a greater number of 5G fighters in the air for the number of engines they had.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it looks like an F-32

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish that basically any attempt by them to make anything new was more than a larp.
    I'm honestly impressed they managed to get even 1 SU-57 in a flying state, nevermind whatever they claim it's capable of, nevermind how practically operational it is.
    Kasatka never ever. They can't even do something that basic, can't really expect much of anything from them.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sanctions don’t mean shit lol. The Soviet Union was sanctioned to shit but still made top-notch military equipment

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet aircraft were always shit and over hyped.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And as the last few months have shown, the best minds and bodies of the Soviet Union were part of the Ukrainian SSR, nevermind how much it relied on its client states in the Warsaw Pact.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Soo smart that Ukraine has never recovered from the fall of the Soviet Union. Independence was their worst mistake.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Until, you know, that collapsing thing happened.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Su-75 dead now given the sanctions?
    it was dead before the sanctions, a bluff after the failure of Su-57 program to achieve even its modest goals.

    Russia cannot innovate in jet engines and chinese are catching up and when they do it's over for russian fighter export to them.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, pretty much any MIC development in Russia is fucked.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you stupid subhuman. What's it called? That's right. Checkmate. That means it's the winner over all others.. It's too valuable to use right now. Just wait until the gloves come off.

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