Is the heat signature of an ATACMS launch significant enough for early warning satellites to notice?
Is the heat signature of an ATACMS launch significant enough for early warning satellites to notice?
Is the heat signature of an ATACMS launch significant enough for early warning satellites to notice?
Yes
This fucking bullshit again. You can see that the target is in a trench.
No you absolutely can’t. Either way the dimensions don’t add up. Trench or not. Miss
You are aware that the missile travelled in the direction it was pointing, right? At a high subsonic speed? When it struck the ground it did so on or right next to the target.
Have you ever tried not being a retarded troglodyte or is that mandatory with being a vatnik?
NTA but it looks like the missile is in a near vertical dive. No chance it teleports onto the far target before it slams into the ground. Stormshadow is a bunker busting weapon so perhaps the target is just underground outside of our sight
>at a 30 degree angle to the ground
>near vertical
nagger please
Yeah that was about a millisecond away from impact. It completely missed and it has been accepted in multiple threads now
>It completely missed and it has been accepted in multiple threads now
Only by shit skins like yourself that can't comprehend a 3D space.
But I thought the target was right below in the trench line? Amazing how much cope this miss has generated.
I have no idea why this particular storm shadow destroying another russian SAM installation has caused so much anal anguish in vatniks. It’s hardly the first time russian AA has been proven ineffectual against Western weapons.
The double post cope is delicious
Way to out yourself as a complete retard along with
there just isn’t enough perspective one way or the other. Clearly see a trench my ass
Why are you retards even arguing about it? The video is old and you can see it hit it's target
Not every country has SBIR/STSS, but yeah.
Probably anon, a news article about the Iranian missile attack back in 2020 or whatever (the one after Solemani died) had a quote in it that implied SBIRS was picking up thousands of detections yearly, some civilian and some military, and that this was normal. I imagine any prolonged firing of a rocket motor is going to get a hit.
https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/space/2021/01/07/exclusive-how-the-space-force-foiled-an-iranian-missile-attack-with-a-critical-early-warning/
>“With the indications that we received, we knew immediately that this was the threat that we were potentially waiting for,” said Mission Commander 1st Lt. Mariano Long.
>“That night it came out of nowhere. It was a lot of missiles quick, and we could see where they were trying to impact,” said Long. “We knew, literally, people that were serving alongside us were being targeted.”
>“For context, I think we’re up to 1,000 missiles this year in 2020,” said Davenport. “On one hand, it is a very common thing that we do, this reporting.”
Qiam 1 missiles were used, which have a range of 800 km. ATACMS might be detectable.
>Is the heat signature of an ATACMS launch significant enough for early warning satellites to notice?
For the modern ones absolutely, not like the thrust is somehow much colder between different lengths of burn on rocket motors, the sensors are plenty sensitive enough. And it probably makes lots of sense for the US military to be cable to keep an eye on SRBM launches too. But the trajectory and velocity/time is so radically different between something like that and a real ICBM/SLBM launch that it'd get classified into its own bucket pretty quick. Maxing out around 140k feet and Mach 3-4 is a tiny fraction of the serious stuff.
Yeah people don't understand just how bright rocket exhausts are. I know atomicrockets is a bit of a meme but it's page about stealth in space is really eye opening, it has a link in it to this:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/msg/54f4d01ceba2eb51
>As for detection range, such a system could spot a single Space Shuttle attitude control thruster firing at a range of fifteen million kilometers. Light up the whole package, main engines and SRBs, and the detection range jumps to twenty *billion* kilometers.
You're taking hundreds of kilograms of mass and burning it every second. The amount of energy you're outputting is fucking insane and it's not difficult, with a suitable sensor, to pick it up.
SBIRS likely can't see jets or whatever, and I wouldn't be surprised if air to air missile launches are filtered out or just too hard to detect, but anything past an artillery piece firing is probably going to emit enough energy to be detected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKS_(satellite_system)
>SBIRS likely can't see jets
Jets just flying, evidently not. However there's always the unverified claims of old F-111 pilots claiming they'd get notified they were spotted by IR satellites when they would do the dump and burn, but take that with a grain of salt.
>they'd get notified
Why would anybody tell them?
The likely scenario would be
>thermal event happens and is logged
>people in charge of monitoring then ask if any unit was in the area at the time
>if there was they contact them and ask if they saw anything at X time
>unit puts two and two together
Would be my guess
>expecting Russians to communicate
It’s over…
Who said anything about russians? Their launch warning constellation still needs two decades to be finished. I assumed that if we were talking about satellite detection we would be referring to the US
>implying Russians can "thermal event"
Does Chernobyl count?
>not-a-thermal-event
>Russians
>F-111
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKS_(satellite_system)
Lmao
there was an offhand statement from around 2015 about SBIRS picking up artillery firing in the donbass
whose satellites?
Probably, and if not a satellite, radar is going to quickly pick it up. The greater issue is having a process in place to rapidly disseminate any early warning you have. ATACMS are fucking fast, and will reach their target in well under 10 minutes. You need to develop a system where you can reliably calculate the target path and then rapidly disseminate a warning to the affected party. It's incredibly difficult to implement in a way that won't lead to a bunch of false positives (sending everyone to duck and cover every time a missile launch is detected in an active warzone would probably be more disruptive than the actual impact).
In all likelihood by the time that information is sufficiently processed and disseminated, it's already stale beyond usability.