Is the F-16 really better than the Su-57? I thought the Su-57 is a sixth gen fighter?
Is the F-16 really better than the Su-57? I thought the Su-57 is a sixth gen fighter?
Is the F-16 really better than the Su-57? I thought the Su-57 is a sixth gen fighter?
You don't give a frick. You just want to shitpost.
>You don't give a frick. You just want to shitpost
>PrepHole
The F-16 is inferior.
This.
They won't.
Of course, a plane that actually exists is much better than one who doesn't.
If they get block 70 the aesa radar will unironically be much better than what the felon has
I heard the sme about supplying Ukraine with Tanks, uranium ammo, Storm Shadow etc. Regular russian bullshit.
I recently read on a news Blok the the United States will run out of money by June, and be unable to pay its debts. Perhaps Biden can ask Ukraine for a loan?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>a news Blok
Oh well it must be true then, Ganesh.
>the people who create the money out of thin air will run out of money
Everyone talks about the radar, etc like that makes any difference. At the end of the day it's aircraft ability vs it's mission and pilot skill.
radar is one of the most important things about a fighter jet in bvr combat, maybe even more important then the missiles it can carry
>At the end of the day it's aircraft ability
And as we know, radar and electronics have no effect on an aircrafts capabilities.
I'm not saying it's not a facor, but it's not as big a factor as moronic people here make it out to be.
Sensors are maybe the biggest factor in terms of the effectiveness of a given aircraft. Being able to see your enemy before they see you is huge.
su 57 is a 4th gen piece of shit thats not even in serial production
>4th gen
Probably not even that. It's just a Su-27 with a body kit.
Flanker is 4th.
Which F-16 we talking about? Block 70/72? If so, even if Ukraine got 100 of them I doubt it will change much. The only advantage Russia currently has are AA and a relatively undamaged air force. They would need 1000 Block 70/72 F-16's and then a load of other aircraft AND the weapons, supplies, repair tools and so on to do anything. SEAD training and so on.
I don't think F-16's are a major issue for Russia but they gotta pretend like it is.
Of course, if the upgraded capabilities of integrated HARM leads to more successful Ukrainian SEAD efforts then it WILL become a major issue for Russia.
(At which point they'll need to pretend that it isn't.)
Yeah that's my point. Just giving F-16's isn't enough. You need to give A LOT and then give them the SEAD training to make sure they remove the one thing Russia has managed to do well - mass AA. But Russia has to pretend everything given is some red line.
ukranians are not going to fly the f-16
as they won't be flown into russia or even occupied ukraine, they will be manned by retired or ex NATO F-16 pilots
72 of them will prob be in ukraine before august
Then Russia could easily argue they're directly at war with NATO. I dunno senpai.
They could. But nobody really gives a shit about what Russia says.
No but I have family in the armed forces and I would rather not have them have to go to war because Putin chimps out and bombs some NATO nation. On the one hand, great, we can end this fricking war in six months, but also don't want more people to die - especially not Westerners.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's the fault of Russian officials for crying wolf.
Russia did this in Korea, so we are just returning the favor
Russia was doing this during Korean war and Vietnam war, so was China
This is fricking payback by spades, the F-16 by one plane can carry more bombload than 4 1950s and 1960s planes
They started rolling the ball over Mig Alley, now it's our turn
they did that in korea and vietnam. did the big, bad war with the big, bad bear break out over that?
F-16s probably won't be able to do anything about the Mig-31s lobbing R-37s from inside Russia that are managing to keep Ukrainian air from hitting SAM sites.
The Su-57 is the aerial Armata.
Give them meteor missiles with them, do it for the vine
Su-57 is a 4th gen larping as a 5th gen.
It's stealth is a bit of a meme and wouldn't be considered stealth by western standards.
It's electronics (radaw, E/W, rwr) probably aren't up to scratch as Russia has 0 manufacturing capabilities up to spec and all good russian software engineers left.
Generally no but F-16 has access to 10x better western electronics and missiles.
Even if the flapjack was a hundred times better than the fighting falcon - and to be clear it is not - there are way more than a hundred times as many vipers in the world today.
The F16 is not just a superior aircraft in terms of combat potential, it is vastly, VASTLY superior in terms of force availability, logistics and sustainment as well
No but does it matter? 99.8 percent of what they would hypothetically engage with are migs and old gen Sukhoi. Russia most likely wouldn’t risk one of their very very few 6-gens on this
At best, Su-57s will be lobbing R-37s from Russia’s side of border at max range so that they’re not likely to get shot down, and even if they do, they can cover it up.
Most of the engagements would be with Flankers firing R-77s. That's still extremely dangerous.
Could F-16 down a russian heavy aircraft they use to bomb Ukraine?
The Su-57 is a worse plane than the newest models of F-16.
Ukraine will not be getting the newest models .
The Su-57 is like the Armata t-14, it is a test program masquerading as a real vehicle.
Su-57 is a 4th gen maximum. That’s the real reason why RuAF isn’t buying them; they don’t want to spend money on an upgraded 4th gen because they already operate 4th gens.
Can't wait until Russia makes it's move and turns the chessboard on HATO
it will happen any day now
Eyebrow status?
Ass status?