So now the turret is fully unmanned and there is a new coaxial 30x113 compared to last time, plus the one on the top of the turret in a CIWS which was retained?
Someone is missing the AMX30 it seems.
No evolution with that specific Leo 2 chassis though.
The Terminateur said it would be back and it is.
I mean, one 140mm and two 30x113mm.
Imagine the sneed.
So now the turret is fully unmanned and there is a new coaxial 30x113 compared to last time, plus the one on the top of the turret in a CIWS which was retained?
Someone is missing the AMX30 it seems.
No evolution with that specific Leo 2 chassis though.
The Terminateur said it would be back and it is.
I mean, one 140mm and two 30x113mm.
Imagine the sneed.
>140mm with HE shells because tank vs tank is a meme and in most cases tanks are used as arty and assault guns
This literally revindicates Russia btw, that's literally what they learn from Ukraine also this tank will turret toss to the atmosphere if penned even with blow out panels
>This literally revindicates Russia
lol no
tanks are only being used that way because of the unique limitations of the Ukraine war
Why not just go 155mm and spam HE at everything at this point. You can share shells with artillery, as a bonus if you give it high elevation and proxy fuses it can shoot at aircraft.
because a self-propelled howitzer is massive yet barely armoured and they struggled enough to fit the 140mm into a tank let alone a 155mm and a useful ammo load
https://i.imgur.com/P3ySetB.jpeg
It needs an extra RCWS in the back of the turret like on the Panther.
it's real but most of the external "armor" is probably empty boxes, EMBT is a single testbed/demonstrator vechicle made from a heavily modified Leopard hull and Leclerc turret
Yup. The French, Swiss, Swedish and US all expected 140mm to become the new NATO standard in the 90s if the cold war continued and all built prototypes around that plan. US had various 140mm armed Abrams, Sweden had the STRV2000, France had the Terminator and the Swiss just regunned a Leopard 2 in 140mm.
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What are the penetration values for the 140mm gun?
Your tank can double as an artillery system
>140mm with HE shells because tank vs tank is a meme and in most cases tanks are used as arty and assault guns
This literally revindicates Russia btw, that's literally what they learn from Ukraine also this tank will turret toss to the atmosphere if penned even with blow out panels
Why not just go 155mm and spam HE at everything at this point. You can share shells with artillery, as a bonus if you give it high elevation and proxy fuses it can shoot at aircraft.
140mm is a lengthened straightwalled 120mm so the ammo capacity in bustle autoloaders stays the same, unlike Rheinmetall's 130mm, and it can barrel swap with 120mm shells.
140mm gets you 5kg of HE in a HE-frag shell instead of 3kg like a 120mm, the lengthening gets you a longer APFSDS, and the big bore enables keeping pressure the same or even lowering it, which in conjunction with the pepperpot brake reduces friendly fire risks to your own infantry from muzzle blast.
>leopard 1’s with the old 105 were making mincemeat of T-72s
Any footage of this? I only ever saw a leo 1 dead in a minefield and never any more thereafter
no footage, but according to a long interview with Ukrainians, while the 105 can't penetrate the ERA upped Turrets, the shear kinetic force is enough to make the turret inoperable by severely damaging internal parts
fair point but there was an Ukrainian tanker who claimed that the 105 was still wreaking t72 with hits to the turret
no footage, but according to a long interview with Ukrainians, while the 105 can't penetrate the ERA upped Turrets, the shear kinetic force is enough to make the turret inoperable by severely damaging internal parts
Ukrainians have apparently been treating Leo 1s as hilariously potent tank-destroyers in a primarily defensive role.
See the first and fourth posts in the compilation in picrel.
>140mm with HE shells because tank vs tank is a meme and in most cases tanks are used as arty and assault guns
This literally revindicates Russia btw, that's literally what they learn from Ukraine also this tank will turret toss to the atmosphere if penned even with blow out panels
Why not just go 155mm and spam HE at everything at this point. You can share shells with artillery, as a bonus if you give it high elevation and proxy fuses it can shoot at aircraft.
Sharing shells isn't that big of an advantage to first world militaries because we can afford to have both munitions in our supply networks without running out.
You mistakenly believe because it's 155 it's the same. Detonate on impact 155mm hasn't been common for decades.
People think the same regarding 556 belted and unbelted. They're completely different rounds in terms of logistics despite being identical beyond a belt.
Why would euros want a 140mm gun when it means less ammunition carried, especially since the main threat to euros for the forseeable future will be T-62 Obr. 2024s?
It might have changed nowdays, but during the cold war a shitload of countries tried coax 20/30mm guns, and came to the conclusion that 30mm ammunition (and the gun itself) further reduces internal space, and if its something thats big enough to need a burst of 30mm, you might aswell just send a main gun round down range. As for external RWS typ 30mm guns, that makes a whole lot more sense.
It is just like old times.
So now the turret is fully unmanned and there is a new coaxial 30x113 compared to last time, plus the one on the top of the turret in a CIWS which was retained?
Someone is missing the AMX30 it seems.
No evolution with that specific Leo 2 chassis though.
The Terminateur said it would be back and it is.
I mean, one 140mm and two 30x113mm.
Imagine the sneed.
>Terminateur
lmao
God, I hate the french so fricking much.
It really was the name of the Leclerc prototype with a 140mm FTMA gun.
Buck-Frogged
>The Terminateur
Le Terminateur
Very nice.
Now post ammunition capacity.
>the turret is fully unmanned
yikes
Oh, Carlos
>This literally revindicates Russia
lol no
tanks are only being used that way because of the unique limitations of the Ukraine war
because a self-propelled howitzer is massive yet barely armoured and they struggled enough to fit the 140mm into a tank let alone a 155mm and a useful ammo load
>20 ready rounds
NGMI
Is there a /k/ meetup planned at Eurosatory?
Yes, right behind the dumpster next to the BAE stand. Pants are optional
Is that an actual EMBT or just a wooden mock-up? I was wondering the same thing about the Abrams-X that was displayed.
it's real but most of the external "armor" is probably empty boxes, EMBT is a single testbed/demonstrator vechicle made from a heavily modified Leopard hull and Leclerc turret
Why would anyone from the first world use wood when steel is so easy to cut and weld?
As much as I hate the frogs, I think we should go with the 140mm for the MGCS.
>140mm
Literally for what purpose
France mistakenly believed Russia could build a tank in the 21st century
What are the penetration values for the 140mm gun?
Your mum + 100cm
Explained here: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/ascalon-nexters-solution-for-the-mgcs-main-gun
>Beyond-Line-Of-Sight rounds
nice, so it's an arty/tank hybrid then
>it is known as ASCALON, which stands for Autoloaded and SCAlabLe Outperforming guN
Total acronym death
ToAD you mean?
Huehuehue
To plow through several vatnik tanks at once when they roll in a line. Saves ammo.
+70% compared to a state of the art 120mm APFSDS.
Because germans developed the 130mm
No they didn't.
French had a working 140mm in the 90s.
Yup. The French, Swiss, Swedish and US all expected 140mm to become the new NATO standard in the 90s if the cold war continued and all built prototypes around that plan. US had various 140mm armed Abrams, Sweden had the STRV2000, France had the Terminator and the Swiss just regunned a Leopard 2 in 140mm.
Your tank can double as an artillery system
>Literally for what purpose
Koksan 170mm direct fire
gay and moronic
how
140mm is a lengthened straightwalled 120mm so the ammo capacity in bustle autoloaders stays the same, unlike Rheinmetall's 130mm, and it can barrel swap with 120mm shells.
140mm gets you 5kg of HE in a HE-frag shell instead of 3kg like a 120mm, the lengthening gets you a longer APFSDS, and the big bore enables keeping pressure the same or even lowering it, which in conjunction with the pepperpot brake reduces friendly fire risks to your own infantry from muzzle blast.
current Rheinmetall 130 also uses the lengthened ammo format, it's not the old one with the scaled up rounds
So it's like the XM913?
More fill for the dead zigger storage.
I love how we’re still upgrading the size of cannons when not even a couple months ago leopard 1’s with the old 105 were making mincemeat of T-72s
>leopard 1’s with the old 105 were making mincemeat of T-72s
Any footage of this? I only ever saw a leo 1 dead in a minefield and never any more thereafter
fair point but there was an Ukrainian tanker who claimed that the 105 was still wreaking t72 with hits to the turret
no footage, but according to a long interview with Ukrainians, while the 105 can't penetrate the ERA upped Turrets, the shear kinetic force is enough to make the turret inoperable by severely damaging internal parts
>muh armor penetration this and that ad nauseam
>raw kinetic energy is forgotten
funny how that goes
Ukrainians have apparently been treating Leo 1s as hilariously potent tank-destroyers in a primarily defensive role.
See the first and fourth posts in the compilation in picrel.
I have no idea and no confirmation, but I also wouldn't be surprised if webmrelated was being done with at least a few Leo 1s.
The EMBT seems to be the ine actually passable German tank design.
The EMBT is absolutely disgusting
>140mm with HE shells because tank vs tank is a meme and in most cases tanks are used as arty and assault guns
This literally revindicates Russia btw, that's literally what they learn from Ukraine also this tank will turret toss to the atmosphere if penned even with blow out panels
Why not just go 155mm and spam HE at everything at this point. You can share shells with artillery, as a bonus if you give it high elevation and proxy fuses it can shoot at aircraft.
Sharing shells isn't that big of an advantage to first world militaries because we can afford to have both munitions in our supply networks without running out.
You mistakenly believe because it's 155 it's the same. Detonate on impact 155mm hasn't been common for decades.
People think the same regarding 556 belted and unbelted. They're completely different rounds in terms of logistics despite being identical beyond a belt.
30mm coaxial as well, frenchbros are eating good.
>need to rotate main turret to use it
gay
The first iteration had a 30mm RCWS. I think they are just testing different configurations.
I do hope we go for this.
It look like a vehicle that could actually shoot down drones or missiles as they approach.
There seems to be a RCWS on the roof.
It actually does look like their 30mm RCWS, see from this angle:
The new remote turret Leo with an Ascalon gun would be the best IMO.
>2x30mm guns
as much as this gives me a raging boner, I question the ammo efficiency on this
It needs an extra RCWS in the back of the turret like on the Panther.
>Natter
>not a meme rim launcher
my disappointment is immense
These RCWS are essentially turrets. So this...monstrosity has 3 turrets. Landships are back?
>7.62
Not really effective against drones
As long as you hit the drone it will probably frick it up, that said, I cant imagine that would be easy.
>frenchbros
have a nice day Black person
It’s French tho. Even the EMBT modified hull is French
have a nice day Black person
Double trunnions a based
It looks sleepy.
Why would euros want a 140mm gun when it means less ammunition carried, especially since the main threat to euros for the forseeable future will be T-62 Obr. 2024s?
That's the beauty of it. It doesn't mean less ammo carried because it's a straight-necked shell with a base diameter the same as a 120mm.
Ahh, so its basically the same way the 50mm XM913 is a straight necked 35mm? If thats the case its fricking neato.
thats what the two 30s are for
It might have changed nowdays, but during the cold war a shitload of countries tried coax 20/30mm guns, and came to the conclusion that 30mm ammunition (and the gun itself) further reduces internal space, and if its something thats big enough to need a burst of 30mm, you might aswell just send a main gun round down range. As for external RWS typ 30mm guns, that makes a whole lot more sense.
I want to see this turret put on the M60 hull. Starship 2 soon.