>is perfect within its niche. >doesn't try to be anything it's not

>is perfect within its niche
>doesn't try to be anything it's not
why is .357 such a based round

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's big enough to hit hard out of a rifle, and small enough to be manageable in a handgun.
    I have a reproduction model 1873 chambered in it. Literally my favorite gun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is perfect. A round that can be used in either, it makes your bug out loadout easier to manage.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    357-chan is a smol girl that has a big personality and bigger punch

    cant wait to kill myself so i can finally meet her in my isekai

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >model 1873
      will you have a nice day with a 357? is that what determines what isekai you go to, the method of death?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just to be sure im gonna stick a couple rounds up my butt first too

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Obviously

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is there any quality rule 34 of .357 Magnum Chan?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the fuck are you going on about? You can already see a 357 magnum here dumbass just go to your lgs and buy a box that's says 357 magnum on it retard.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but it's obsolete thanks to hot 10mm loadings

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, middling .357 loads are obsolete if you cram every last grain of powder into a 10mm.
      Whoops, here comes Bubba though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but it's obsolete

      No one cares. This is PrepHole who trieds to regularly argue for battleships, for katanas, etc. All while arguing why the F35 odds the best dumpster fire since sliced bread.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >blown up by a missile from beyond the horizon
        another one bites the dust!
        >diversity pilot proceeds to crash F-35
        Equity for all!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Find me a 10mm loading that's safe for most guns that can hit 899 ft-lbs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol, are you people stupid? 10mm is weaker in every fucking aspect compared to 357.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not when barrel lengths are below 4 inches.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why does the barrel have to be so short

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't have to, but when it is, 10mm performs better.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>is perfect within its niche
    >penetrating level II body armor and 1920s car doors
    >btfo by 40 S&W, super 38, 10mm

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Show me a 10mm that can handle your bubba loads and explain how it is superior to a .357 in every regard.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10mm shits all over your obsolete boomer meme, moronfudd.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if I load it to its absolute max I can match weaksauce factory 357 loads
      Wow such power

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the fuck up, dumb fuddmoron. You know nothing. Top end 10mm loads can literally equal the highest performing bubba .3fuddy7 loads.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My apologies you must have tons of experience with 10mm after owning one, right? I'm just a pleb who's owned two and sold both

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          10mm is literally ballistically identical to .3fuddy7 despite the latter having 2gr more case capacity and exclusively being chambered in obosolete moronfudd six shooters. A G20 holds 15 rounds of 10mm.

          PS: Fuck ya mudda (the whore)

          10mm shits all over your obsolete boomer meme, moronfudd.

          >I'm a 16-year-old redditor
          Okay I don't know why you felt the need to mention that but this website is 18+ kiddo

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            t. fudd mcmoronfudd

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why yes I am a 16-year-old redditor
              Thank you for confirming

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        10mm shits all over your obsolete boomer meme, moronfudd.

        Shut the fuck up, dumb fuddmoron. You know nothing. Top end 10mm loads can literally equal the highest performing bubba .3fuddy7 loads.

        >*357 and 10mm fighting
        >"oh shit, we woke up grandpa"
        >45 colt: "what are you little morons babbling about?"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Guys pipe down, don't summon 454 Casullu

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I heard my name

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HEAVY 357 MAG OUTDOORSMAN
        180 gr. Hard Cast LFN-GC (1,400 fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.)

        180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - (1,350 fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.)

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the jhp is 10mm

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            357 is still superior gay.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >buffalobore website still annoying as sin
          that 357 loading is also from a five inch barrel at 1400 fps, it gets 1375fps from a 4 inch barrel, which is the comparable test barrel to the 10mm loading (5 inch) when you account for the chamber
          So the most energetic loads they sell for each are only 25fps apart
          Within the variation of one round to the next and not enough difference to make a difference, eh?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10mm is literally ballistically identical to .3fuddy7 despite the latter having 2gr more case capacity and exclusively being chambered in obosolete moronfudd six shooters. A G20 holds 15 rounds of 10mm.

      PS: Fuck ya mudda (the whore)

      >moronfudd
      You're trying way too hard. Also
      >This user is underage

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all the retards who think 40 piss and methson and 10mememeter hold a candle in max loadings
    Must be that common core math.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10mm is literally ballistically identical to .3fuddy7 despite the latter having 2gr more case capacity and exclusively being chambered in obosolete moronfudd six shooters. A G20 holds 15 rounds of 10mm.

      PS: Fuck ya mudda (the whore)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >factory load user

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I blow hot loads in ya mudda.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good thing we're siblings. God I love living in Alabama.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >500 ftlbs vs 750 ftlbs
      irrelevant difference in transonic handgun cartridges with the range of a brick

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >thinking kinetic energy is a wound metric
        Why do children and retard sleep thinking this? It has been known and published that kinetic energy is not a wounding factor for 30+ years.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >kinetic energy is not a wounding factor
          >can't into physics

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please explain how kinetic energy in a bullet causes wounds then.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Kinetic energy being a wounding factor
              Wut?
              moron as another anon said, it has been published by ballistic researchers for at least 40 years that kinetic energy is not a wounding metric.
              Saying bullet A will be more effective than bullet B based on kinetic energy is asinine.
              Force is a better(but not perfect) number to quickly compare separate cartridges, but it has also been known again, for at least 40 years, that with handgun bullets literally the only factor is penetration, then if you can get adequate penetration in the proper place, sure a bigger surface area of the bullet doesn't hurt, but still isn't a huge factor, especially when compared to magazine capacity and how fast you can get accurate follow up shots.
              Most this information has been out for longer than most anon have been alive, I don't see why you parrot wierd marketing wank.

              Are you serious? Any object with mass impacting another object with mass causes a transfer in energy.
              Kinetic energy is the entire basis for why projectile weapons work, period.
              A bullet has kinetic energy, and when it impacts a target, kinetic energy is transferred to tissue. It's literally fucking high school physics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is well known that the kinetic energy amount transfered by pistol bullets is far under the threshold needed to damage tissue.
                Try again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pistol bullets don't damage tissue
                why am I even (You)ing you?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I failed basic physics
                What do you think happens when a bullet stops in someone?

                Handgun bullets stopping in tissue do not cause enough hydrostatic shock to damage tissue. The act of the bullet going through the target itself is what damages tissue, things the bullets actually touch. That's why flat meplat semi-wadcutters are considered to be the most damaging round. It rips and tears instead of spearing through.

                Jacketed hollow points do as well, but the reasoning for their creation was because of overpenetration by NYC police department. Penetration and shot placement are the most important factors of stopping a threat with a handgun bullet. A 9mm round passing through 3 inches from someone's heart won't rip the heart to shreds like some people believe. This is also why fmj is illegal for hunting and never recommended, and why hardcast semi-wadcutters are one of the most popular bear defense round.

                .22lr and .25 acp carry less energy than a baseball pitched by a 12 year old and will cause zero hydrostatic shock in tissue. I don't care what ballistics gel (basically fat for comparison to human cells) implies. It isn't real tissue.

                Start talking about 5.56 or 7.62x39 and yeah, hydrostatic shock exists and bullet tumble will absolutely shred your ass.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're right but these no experience having retards who can't think for themselves will just post an equation taken out of context and ignore you. Just let them believe their carefully chosen ammo will save them rather than shot placement.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hydrostatic shock
                Kek.

                You're right but these no experience having retards who can't think for themselves will just post an equation taken out of context and ignore you. Just let them believe their carefully chosen ammo will save them rather than shot placement.

                >who can't think for themselves will just post an equation taken out of context
                Not my fault you don't understand basic physics equations and why they're relevant.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any KE contributes to the permanent wound cavity, just look at gel tests. 9mm and the like don't create massive cavitation, but you can see a wound channel wider than the projectile on entry.
                It's also where you see Magnum handguns blowing 9mm and the like out of the water. Modern hollow points are engineered to do 3 things. First, penetrate to the desired depth. Second, create the largest possible wound channel via expansion. Third, dump all of the energy into the target. All of these things assist in incapacitation. Your view that it's only for penetration is myopic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gel is now soft tissue

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gel is meant to be an analog for soft tissue, yes. It isn't a perfect replica, but it's close enough to capture all the relevant physics. Generally a permanent cavity in gel has some correspondence to a permanent cavity in flesh.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, yeah. What do you think it's mimicking?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gel isn't even 'mimicking' soft tissue anon, it's just supposed to be a consistent and most importantly repeatable medium for testing that's supposed to represent an average density of several tissues.

                It doesn't ACTUALLY behave how tissues in the body behave when shot.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The notion that it isn't similar enough to draw meaningful conclusions from is silly though.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I failed basic physics
                What do you think happens when a bullet stops in someone?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kinetic energy being a wounding factor
            Wut?
            moron as another anon said, it has been published by ballistic researchers for at least 40 years that kinetic energy is not a wounding metric.
            Saying bullet A will be more effective than bullet B based on kinetic energy is asinine.
            Force is a better(but not perfect) number to quickly compare separate cartridges, but it has also been known again, for at least 40 years, that with handgun bullets literally the only factor is penetration, then if you can get adequate penetration in the proper place, sure a bigger surface area of the bullet doesn't hurt, but still isn't a huge factor, especially when compared to magazine capacity and how fast you can get accurate follow up shots.
            Most this information has been out for longer than most anon have been alive, I don't see why you parrot wierd marketing wank.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Force is a better(but not perfect) number to quickly compare separate cartridges
              Force is the second time derivative of kinetic energy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it is essentially momentum, not based off energy, since it is directly mass x acceleration

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy fuck, anon.
                KE = 1/2*m*(v^2)
                d/dt(1/2*m*(v^2))=mv
                d/dt(mv)=ma

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stopping power is all that matters retard.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which is why everyone has settled on .25 ACP FMJ for self-defense... wait

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                .25 ACP has a small frontal area and low force values, tardo.
                Nothing to do with kinetic energy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                then explain why 9mm is more popular than .380

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              anyone who’s killed animals with handgun cartridges knows the “ballistics scientists” are spewing complete horseshit
              i’ve shot more deer and watched them die than any of them were able to study post mortem morons to find out how they were killed
              shoot a living animal with your guns

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This PrepHolemoron is talking facts right here. I have taken two deer with my 357 myself and I was frankly very satisfied with its performance. I used a carbine but just check out some 357 hunting vids on youtube where ppl are dropping them with fucking revolvers.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like .357

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    44bros.......

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, I'm a .454chad now

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don't make single action revolvers or lever actions in 10mm so I don't care

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >.357 wheelgun and levergun
    manageable in the wheelgun, higher capacity in the lever gun but not as much power as .44 magnum
    >.44 magnum wheelgun and levergun
    less manageable in the wheelgun but hits harder, less capacity in levergun but hits harder
    >.357 wheelgun and .44 magnum levergun
    mixed ammo
    being a cowboy is hard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t 357 and 44 have basically
      identical lengths? Should be the same capacity in a tube magazine lever gun.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >.357 wheelgun and levergun
        manageable in the wheelgun, higher capacity in the lever gun but not as much power as .44 magnum
        >.44 magnum wheelgun and levergun
        less manageable in the wheelgun but hits harder, less capacity in levergun but hits harder
        >.357 wheelgun and .44 magnum levergun
        mixed ammo
        being a cowboy is hard

        Can't check right now but I'm pretty sure my Marlin 1894 in .44 mag is 8+1 and my Henry Big Boy X in .357 mag is 7+1. It's more about the mag tube length than cartridge length.

        Thinking about a lever action for 38/387
        Any recommendations?

        Budget? American made? Tacticool? Wood or polymer? Threaded? Top or side ejecting? Do you need a side gate?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Budget would be nice, because I see that these things are going for a lot of money, even the budget ones. Seems like a Marlin that's just a few decades old is $1000+ and that's real money for a gun when those dollars are competing against a good bolt action or good quality AK/AR. I'd prefer a moderate size (think white tail) brush rifle that is also fun to shoot as well. Tacticool isn't necessary and I'm not even sure I'd put a scope on it, probably just some nice peep sights or something. The whole field is open though.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Budget? American made? Tacticool? Wood or polymer? Threaded? Top or side ejecting? Do you need a side gate?
          What the fuck does it matter autismo, there's only 4 fucking companies who make them
          >marlin
          Unobtanium, $1000
          >Henry
          $1000
          >winchester
          $2000
          >rossi
          Garbage, unobtanium, $600

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mirokuchads stay winnin'

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >calling me autistic while knowing that much about the specific price ranges of all lever action manufacturers
            you are autistic too

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is overpen something to actually worry about with .44 mag? Will it blow a hole in someone or are pistol calibers just not big/fast enough to do that? Is .44 special a meme round? Anyone here shoot a 5.5inch redhawk? How do you like it? Tips for CCing it in warm, humid state?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based and correct.
    .357 magnum is awesome.

    I also posit that .44 Magnum achieves the same thing.
    Not really here to fight anyone else.
    Been around for ages.
    Loved by those who love it, ignored by those who don't.
    A good all around cartridge.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .44 mag is a meme. .41 mag is the Real Deal.

      > .357 magnum is awesome.
      We can agree on that much. I'd personally rather a .41 wheelgun plus levergat, but the expense isn't worth the extra performance (for my personal uses). .357 is Güd Enuff™ for 98% of the same tasks, but offers a lot more flexibility with available market options.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's ice cold factory .44 magnum loaded down because of recoil. Go look up a buffalo bore chart that shows 1,500 ftlbs from a 6 inch barrel. Any youtube chronograph video will prove it as well.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't wanna look at your apples.
          > Here, look at my orange.
          Nobody cares how dirty your Harry is. If you're gonna piss up super hot bubba loads for your particular unicorn, you need to do the same for everything else. .357 generates anywhere from low 400s up to over 900 ft-lbs depending on how you tweak a cartridge. The chart you're referencing normalized the cartridges for each caliber specifically to compare effect of barrel length, it wasn't comparing how large of a bomb you could detonate in your hand.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about a lever action for 38/387
    Any recommendations?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have the Rossi R92 in stainless steel and a 20” barrel.

      Obscenely fun carbine. Good to 100 yard torso shots.
      Can be finicky about what ammo it likes,

      Can’t beat the deal for $600.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do the Rossi's now have their tangs drilled for sights like the Winchester '92s, or do you still have to get them drilled and tapped for a peep sight?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. Your only option without drilling your receiver with Rossi is pic rel. I use it on my 92 to hunt with and its been decent. Make sure you locktite everything into place tho. With 357 all your shots are gonna be inside 100 anyway so once I had my zero where I like I just locked everything down and know where to hold. Its been fine and I took 2 deer with it so far.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good carbine cartridge shit cc cartridge imo

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's a magnum centerfire caliber.
    Name one that isn't awesome?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay but what do max loadings on these cartridges accomplish? you still end up being the yapping chihuahuas of the magnum world

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dunk on all other non- magnum calibers.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It just works.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I used to only really like smith revolvers but ruger's gp100s are starting to really grow on me

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same. I want the snubby GP100 now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm really happy with my gp100. Got a decent deal on it too.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not worth the asking price tho. I see them going for 700 by me and thats before taxes and transfer fees. I wouldn't pay that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Smith and wesson is cool I want that overpriced beretta revolver tho

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >686+ with wood grips
          Very nice

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fellas i just think 7 shots (or 5) in a wheelgun is not right.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "357 MAGNUM 7 SHOT"
      >Knowing your consumer base is retarded enough to need subtitles on their guns
      Ruger fags cannot not can't even didn't and still refuse to don't even not be dumb morons

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uh oh, anon.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Popular in AUSFAG land due to lever actions being the "last assault rifle" ausmorons can get on their (loicense)

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >expensive
    >outperformed by even 9mm
    >limited capacity in handguns chambered in it
    Kek, cuck round

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"Merely pretending to be retarded."

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's actually right that 9mm outperforms .357. Doesn't matter if 9mm is around 40% weaker when I can carry 3 times as much of it at any given time.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's your definition of weaker?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe obsolete revolver fudd shit like .357 or .38 special still exist but we still haven't gotten a modern .30 Luger. Absolutely zero innovation in pistol cartridges over the last 100 years aside from .40 soft and weak (gay and retarded) and 10mm (actually based and valid).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I actually think .40 S&W can make a comeback with some tweaking with optimal bullet grain and powder loads.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like what? Seems like you got what you need with either 165gr or 155gr bullets. People just need to reconsider the cartridge even if it's just to feed their 10mm's at a reasonable price.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why bother, though? 10mm can do anything .40 can and more, and there's zero difference in capacity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why bother, though? 10mm can do anything .40 can and more, and there's zero difference in capacity.

        How about getting. 40S&W up to 10mm performance so that I don't have to deal with the oal of 10meme?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          .357 Sig exists. Also, what does the OAL matter? What matters more is the diameter of the case, as it affects the magazine capacity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was 762 tokarev

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Federal just dropped yet another 8mm shitpost or a round, it will die in a year or two

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    every .357 mag defence load
    >opens to ~.60"
    >penetrates 12-18" BG
    Every 9mm defence load
    >opens to ~.60"
    >penetrates 12-18" BG
    Why would I pay more for .357 mag?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why would I pay more for .357 mag?
      So you can carry less of it in a less concealable platform that you are going to shoot less accurately.
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      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AMEN BORTHER
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    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey that is blatantly false.
      About 45% of 357 mag over expands, turns to a pancake and gets <10" penetration, another 45% don't open, and ice pick through 30"+

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you describing 9mm though?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >9mm
          115 gr pancakes
          124 just works
          147gr can't into expansion velocity and icepicks

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you trying to be a retard?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That Ranger shit looks impressive, but they package it in a nickel-plated case. I can work with that strictly as a defense loadout, but what a fucking headache to get harassed over and over at ranges for "steel case."

              Not seeing I'd reload 9mm, but sucks to eliminate the option just in case maybe.

              The 985 FPS velocity & 317 ft/lbs is surprising. I'd have expected more like 1050-1080 FPS to get those ft/lbs more in the 330/340-ish territory. Maybe it was a needed compromise to keep the PSI under 35,000? And, 4" test barrel seems a bit much. Would have expected more like a 3", especially with the other ballistic numbers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shit. Forgot picrel. Even if it's propaganda, it's the "official" propaganda.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The 985 FPS velocity & 317 ft/lbs is surprising. I'd have expected more like 1050-1080 FPS to get those ft/lbs more in the 330/340-ish territory. Maybe it was a needed compromise
                Whoa now let me stop you there. You should really stop looking at the numbers until you understand how they're derived and why you can't "compromise on the ft-lbs".
                It's (m.v^2)/450240 if you're working in ft/s and grains. You'll note there's just speed and weight, there is no magical "add more ft-lbs to taste" part.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you. That was helpful.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actual 9mm
      >barely expands
      >barely penetrates
      Meanwhile
      .45 acp
      >Expands to .70
      >Penetrates to 14-18
      .45 chads win again.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        moron 9mm HST expands and penetrates deeper than any .45 AARP

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          9mm hst is a bad round. Stop coping

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Objectively false. 9mm fags really should shoot themselves in the head. They won't though, because they know they're more likely to end up a vegetable than dead.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They won't though, because they know they're more likely to end up a vegetable than dead.
        That's only true for morons and their peanut sized brains though.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is it false?
        Are you just cope posting?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SD sez same expansion with a heavier bullet at the same velocity means more penetration. You're probably comparing 125 gr xtp's to 115 gr 9mm loads, where the metrics will naively be similar in regards to max expansion and penetration depth. However, you have to consider that even in that case the .357 is dumping a ton of energy into a substantially larger permanent wound cavity. 158 or 180 gr loads will have similar expansion with far deeper penetration, and in theory you could design bullets that could expand far more in that weight range while still getting adequate penetration. The real big dick move is to just use Lehigh XD bullets and not rely on a piece of metal getting wider for your wounding. Much less picky conversion of energy to damage there. Point being, 9mm fags really are delusional enough to think the wounding is just as good as .357 lol.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not .357 sig...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually you're not wrong there. It does one very specific thing and does it well, and you're on a hiding to nothing if you try making it do anything else.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's up with crimp(?) in the middle ?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fudd shit to prevent "muh backslide" in reloaded cases.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why is that fuddshit when it actually happens in lever actions?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure it does, fudd. Just like how .22s are lethal out to a mile because it says so on the package and .45 is more powerful than 9mm because muh bigger boolit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those are all true. 22 is dangerous at a surprisingly long range and 45 is more deadly than 9mm

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The cool thing about more modern .357 Mag lever actions is that, with a re-loader setup, suppressor, and an action that handles .38 wad cutters, 158gr subsonic loads will murder the ever loving shit out of garden trespassing rodents inside 50y very quietly. Plus you can still zap hogs out to 75-100y with Hispanicy hand loaded 157 or 180gr .357 hollow points.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so will any 22 caliber airgun

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The drop on my .22 springer at 40y with a 25y zero is ridiculous though, and that's ignoring wind drift. Let's also leave alone how a 20-40gr .22 isn't getting through a shoulder shield either.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a 45-70, you can get a lever gun and a matching derringer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not getting a BFR un 45-70

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      do YOU own a 45-70?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do in a marlin lever, just need a Derringer. I also want a new marlin 45-70 with the threaded barrel.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    357 sig.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all these retards arguing .357 mag V 10mm not realizing both suck and are no better than any other pistol round
    Kek.
    But to be fair getting a rifle in .357 mag is pants on head retarded.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >haha cartridge discussions are moot to me because i dont even own guns haha xdd

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ebic le strawman, I bow to your logic king.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I’m ignorant
      >……and proud of it too!
      You must be from texas

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't be, he called .357 lever guns retarded.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But to be fair getting a rifle in .357 mag is pants on head retarded
      why? the guns are fairly light, fun to shoot, and reasonably powerful at close range.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good .357 mag isn't any cheaper than a .30-30, and a .30-30 is actually a rifle round, with twice the energy, 3x the sectional density.
        Don't buy rifles in shitty handgun rounds

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why are you reading the pistol barrel energy for 357 and rifle barrel energy for .30-30?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm using .357 rifle velocity for the energy, tard.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your data is bad. Buffalo bore advertises a 2150 fps 158 gr load, that's 1600 ft-lbs, or on the bottom end of .30-30. I've personally loaded 158 gr at 2000 fps, or 1400 ft-lb. Of course, BB sells a 2150 ft-lb load for 30-30, but last I checked that's not a factor of 2.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Good .357 mag isn't any cheaper than a .30-30
          I disagree there. 158gr Federal JSP .357 is less than $.70 a pop, 158gr JHP are still under $.90, while .30-30 is well over a dollar a round. This is assuming you don't need .30-30 performance, which is obviously a faster and shoits well past 100y.

          You're right that it will never be equivalent to a rifle round, but that's okay. It still chases 2000fps with 158gr bullets, 1800fps with 180gr, uses a straight wall cartridge which saves time on case prep, and also shoots a cheaper subsonic round for safely running steel plates at 10y.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, basic bitch, underloaded, dirty federal JSPs(I have some) are shit and not quality rounds.
            Quality V quality, .357 mag is around the same price, or more than .30-30, during the pandemic, good .357 mag was nearly 50% more than .30-30

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All depends on your needs. I hunt eastern woods and the farthest deer I ever shot is like 60 yds. I use 357 bc its light, almost no recoil out of a carbine, and quiet enough I don't feel like I need ear plugs. I've even shot a few deer and instead of running they just kinda hunch up and then walk off and keel over dead 10 seconds later bc there is no loud report that freaks them out. Very little meat damage too. Its great if you have the conditions for it. I would not use it beyond 100yds tho, with 75 being kinda a realistic max. I don't even use buffalo bore or any crazy shit just regular 158 grn PMC soft point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But to be fair getting a rifle in .357 mag is pants on head retarded.

      I have one in .327 Federal, because I fuckin' wanted it.

      t. moron Rich

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10mm Henry when?

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .357 mag is love
    .357 mag is life

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .357 is a fucking meme in current year. .38spl will do any CCW job that needs doing(while having fast follow up shots and less flashbang in your face) and for innawoods anything that starts with a 4 is a better option.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >innawoods anything that starts with a 4 is a better option.
      Is that why moose get snuffed with 9mm like miserable hoodrats? Or how, in all bear attack scenarios it was ever used in, the shooter was perfectly fine?
      Fuck ya mudda

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >bullets at typical handgun velocities must physically touch tissue to damage it as there are no remote wounding effects caused by the temporary cavity exceeding the elasticity of human flesh at these velocities
    >in order to successfully incapacitate a threat via physical damage vital structures must be damaged
    >only rounds with adequate penetration can reach these vital structures
    >shot placement and penetration are the only factors that determine the effectiveness of any given handgun round to cause physical damage to vital structures
    >the only downside to maximizing penetration with bullet selection is over-penetration
    >if you don't care about overpenetration there is no reason to ever use hollowpoints because they limit penetration in exchange for an increase in surface area which is only a theoretically worthwhile exchange if you know for a FACT that expansion will not limit your penetration to unacceptable levels
    >round nose bullets are inferior to bullets with square shoulders and flat meplats in their ability to cut tissue
    >assuming two rounds have equally adequate penetration the better round of the two will be the one you can shoot faster while maintaining accuracy.

    Hits count. First hits count most. Carry whatever gun/caliber combo you can make fast accurate hits with. Everything else is marketing bullshit designed to have you paying for overpriced meme ammunition.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all these 357 owners posting their guns
    >no 10mms posted
    Interesting, they cite chart after chart but can never give a personal account

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not just get a .44 mag lever gun?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        357 and 38 were a lot cheaper when I bought it, plus when using 38 through it without a suppressor it's damn near 22 quiet. Kinda makes me want to get it threaded and get a can for it just to have something truly whisper quiet

        >357
        >revolvers, deagles, fudd tax lever actions
        >10mm
        >revolvers, glocks, 1911s, nig rigged USPs, Mp5/10s

        Yes, I'm glad you can read internet articles and tell me what exists. Would you like to share your 10mm? I would show my Witness P but I sold it off a while ago and don’t have any pics saved. Was an alright gun, save for the trigger that sucked

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >357
      >revolvers, deagles, fudd tax lever actions
      >10mm
      >revolvers, glocks, 1911s, nig rigged USPs, Mp5/10s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and you have one of those to post I take it? no? so his point still stands and you're quoting on paper benefits and not experience with the guns.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          paper says theyre almost the same with 357 having an extra 100 ftlbs while still being in spec
          commercial loaded 10mm is just slightly Hispanicy 40 S&W, medium velocity 357 is naturally already at 580 ftlbs, dating back all the way before 357 even existed with 38/44
          bubbas pissin hot 10mm handloads barely reach 700ftlbs and need specific gun setups or revolvers (which negate the point of 10mm)
          commercial 357 hits 700 ftlbs out of a 4 inch, bubbas handloads reach higher, even higher with 6/7.5 inch revolvers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My grandfather used to hunt deer with his Winchester levergun in 357 Magnum when he was in a hurry, but loved to stalk them with his registered magnum 8 and 3/4". He was a very well practiced shot though, he usually handed me the 30-30 levergun or Garand when I was with him because they gave me a little breathing room, and "would put hair on my chest". (I was like 8 when we started lol).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .30-06 at 8 years old is pretty damn rough. I'm also impressed you could hold that rifle steady enough for an offhand shot at that age.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The way it's interchangeable with 38spl is like God himself designed the round. I love me some 357.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want want a carbine in .357 like an m1 or something

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you imagine what 20 rounds of 125 grain .357 mag would do to someone at close range?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    I think .17hmr is really cool.

    .38 special is better out of small barrels commonly found on most revolvers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, look! Look, everybody! A real live brane scientist has entered the thread!

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .357 Sig chads understand that all that matters is a 9mm round at the Doctorate level

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the theory of 10mm taking the place of .357 magnum for modern guns, but it just can't do the same things for the same guns. I kind of lust after the Smith 610s as the next generation of high power carriable revolvers that can take a cheap training caliber for plinking, but there are so many stories of bullets unseating from the cases in the cylinder due to recoil. The bullets just don't seem to be designed for that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what same things can’t it do in the same guns?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I literally explained it in my post. They aren't designed for use in the same sort of revolvers and lever action rifles and they cause weird failures in those guns. If not for those failures it could be a great idea, but I don't see 10mm and .40 manufacturers going out of their way to try to make their ammo better for revolvers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          oh i thought you meant the same raison detere so to speak not specifically those actions
          antiquated actions are certainly charming

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