pepper spray isn't legally a weapon but a knife sure is. if you're using the spray then closing in with the knife you're a psychopath and should be in prison.
the knife is a backup to the spray. there are situations where spray doesn't work for whatever reason, or it's not working fast enough, or maybe you even lose your spray or can't access that side of your body. whatever the case, if you're still being attacked by someone(s) with the means/intent to do grievous bodily harm, then you have the ability in the US to defend yourself with a knife or even a gun.
pepper spray is actually great and /k/ sleeps on it. crackhead giving you shit? spray him and go on about your day. nobody even cares. nobody will call the cops. can't say the same for a knife or a gun
This. I keep three small cans of Foxlabs pepper spray in rotation with me. One in my car, one in my main chest rig in a grenade pouch (on the extremely wild off chance I ever need my rig and instead need pepper spray), and one I keep on me on occasionally.
I just snagged two 4oz cans from Arms Unlimited, but now I kinda wish I bought more. I'm gonna give one to my gf who lives in a college dorm with three other girls.
this. i carry a knife only for protection against pitbulls. the spray is for wild homeless druggies who might accost you but be unarmed, the pistol for armed human attackers
pepper spray can work on some dogs too, if they actually attack though I can see the reason to have a knife/gun
pepper spray is actually great and /k/ sleeps on it. crackhead giving you shit? spray him and go on about your day. nobody even cares. nobody will call the cops. can't say the same for a knife or a gun
very true. worth carrying even with CCW for deescalation.
yeah i mean pepperspray would be my first line of defense against a dog i was just explaining that my knife is only for dog defense and not some fantasy knife fighting larp like most anons think they will have. 100% of the time i use my knife its on opening a package of food or cutting a box. i would not rely on one for self defense against a person unless it was last ditch. but i keep it on me for dogs because if pepperspray fails i go to the knife.
Gotcha. I mostly use my knives for boxes and fishing too so I hadn't even considered the dog angle.
if i lived in a rural environment i would just use the pistol on the dog but because im in the city and suburbs its not worth the liability of a richochet or pass through and getting sued into homelessness even if the only damage is a small hole in the side of some roastie champagne liberals house wall
I wonder if you get in a self defense shooting situation that is totally justifiable if you can still be fined for discharging a firearm within city limits.
>self defense shooting situation that is totally justifiable if you can still be fined for discharging a firearm within city limits
yes, you absoltutely can and since i live under the iron curtain of kommiefornia its not worth the risk for anything less than life or death. so if a pitbull latches onto my leg, a knife will be what i choose to pry it off with. obviously im good with dogs and can usually handle them without weapons but there are certain situations and breeds where they just want to attack you and nothing you do will stop it. ive personally seen pitbulls unfazed by pepperspray while attacking another dog so if you are already getting bit and it has latched and wont let go i would skip ahead up the tool ladder to the knife or whatever else you have at hand.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That guy was so close to being based as hell. Needed to hold on for like 5 more seconds
I carry a small box cutter as my everyday cutting tool, it wouldn't defend me from a dog very well. That's why I have a gun. Pepper spray serves a purpose, but it won't save you from someone trying to stab you or shoot you, they will fight past the irritation. On dogs, I'm half and half on pepper spray. A dog about to bite you may be trying to kill you.
Knives are just about the worst option to defend your life with. You're getting shot or stabbed when you use it to defend and if you don't get shot or stabbed, did you even need to use the knife? How do you defend your knife use in court without a clear threat to your life?
yeah im not sure if you are trying to agree or disagree with me but everything you said basically reiterated my post. the only reason i carry a knife for dog defense is because i live in the suburbs of a kommunist shithole and the liability of gunfire is too great for anything but threat of imminent death. a dog bitting on my leg is going to be painful as fuck but its not worth the legal risks of shooting for me personally where i live, so thats where a knife would come in handy. can you imagine how many blue haired karens would call 911 saying im an active shooter if i shot some fucking dykes pitbull for sinking its teeth into my calf? then the commie DA would prosecute me bcause im obvoiusly a maga white republican since ive got a carry permit and would charge me with illegal discharge in the city and then all the activist attorneys from the israelite NGOs would swarm karens house begging her to let them sue me in civil court for PTSD on their behalf? not worth it. until i escape the knife and pepperspray and my kicks are the best wild dog defense i can use
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think you might be exaggerating a bit but discharging a firearm in a residential area is an automatic police questioning, even if it's just shooting a dog. Spraying a loose shitbull allows you to go about your business like nothing happened. Stabbing it is a bit of a grey area, but if it's loose with no owner nearby, then I wouldn't hesitate to slit its throat if it latched onto my leg or arm. I wouldn't want to risk shooting it if it's already biting me since there's just so much that can go wrong.
if i lived in a rural environment i would just use the pistol on the dog but because im in the city and suburbs its not worth the liability of a richochet or pass through and getting sued into homelessness even if the only damage is a small hole in the side of some roastie champagne liberals house wall
this. The first thing any good firearms instructor teaches is that if you don't absolutely need to use a gun you shouldn't. It's a pain in the dick and if you've ever done it before you know it weighs on you. Buy POM brand and tape the seam shut.
the knife is a backup to the spray. there are situations where spray doesn't work for whatever reason, or it's not working fast enough, or maybe you even lose your spray or can't access that side of your body. whatever the case, if you're still being attacked by someone(s) with the means/intent to do grievous bodily harm, then you have the ability in the US to defend yourself with a knife or even a gun.
i carry a spray with a ballpean hammer under my belt, the best alternative is something like a backripper tomahawk which is designed to be a ccw tool but im not willing to pay 350$ for a tomahawk
You must turn your body into a deadly weapon; even some ancient chick in some R. Heinlein novel was throwing away all the crap which was landing in her hands because it was only slowing her down and cramping her style.
Seriously, either you are above the physical threshold and you don't need no tier F "weapons" or you are below and these poor man's utensils won't save you anyway.
spray can prevent a fight from happening at all. that's the point. if you have MMA training you can still bleed to death after a physically inferior hobo stabs the shit out of you before you could take him out. your primary goal in self-defense should be avoiding actual combat if it's at all possible, because actual combat is incredibly risky even if you know a thing or two about it.
likewise people like to regurgitate talking points that shit on knives, but their primary use-case in self-defense is actually just for scaring people away rather than as a "retention knife", ninja dagger, or whatever else people like to imagine. a knife fight is horrible but *most people aren't willing to knife fight you.* if you're unarmed and they have something though, they might try their luck.
people are almost as faggy about flashlights are they are about knives/watches/etc. in reality you don't actually need a shitload of lumens to blind someone. i have a streamlight microstream and it is bright AS FUCK, not expensive, and very easy to carry... but to a flashlight fag streamlight is "entry level"
Knife, not so much. Fighting knives and knife self defence are pretty much a meme. But pepper spray is in many cases (not all of them) better than a gun >Junkie bothering you?
Spray him and go on with your day, nobody bats an eye >Bar fight?
Spray that fucker, his friends, and go on with your day. No lawsuits, cracked skulls, and fucker will have a much worse day than if you just knock him out cold >You get shitfaced and lose it or get irresponsible?
Where i live very decent ones cost about 15$. Sometimes when i go drinking with female friends i give them my pepper spray if they go back home alone, it costs next to nothing. And no dead bodies if somebody gets stupid with it >Severly depressed?
Give your guns to a friend for a while and walk with a pepper spray. I have never heard about a guy who tried to kill himself with a pepper spray >Traveling abroad
Legal stuff is a bitch, but pepper sprays are much less of a problem to carry in most of the world >Clubbing, concerts
Hide the spray under your balls, no bouncer ever felt it when i did it. Can't say the same about a gun. I live outside the us tho, not many people care about someone bombing or gunning down a public event here, so personal searches are more of a formality and checking if someone is getting their own booze inside >Getting laid
You keep your spray in your pocket, you undress and there no explaining to do, no stupid questions, and most importantly, if you go to sleep she won't rob you or starts playing with your gun
Pepper sprays are also much more limited by ranges, wind, spaces in which you can use them and overall not as effective, pistols are much better for life or death situations, if i could only have one i would choose a gun. But it's nice to have a non-lethal option
> Hide the spray under your balls, no bouncer ever felt it when i did it
If you have to get patted down before entering a club it’s probably not a club you want to be at.
Add a good pocket flashlight. I like the Olight baton3. It's small, solid, and has good controls. 1200 lumen is bright enough to blind someone even in daylight.
It adds a "harmless" level of defense, like of you see someone crouched next to your car, you use your light, o wait it's just some guy who dropped his keys. no harm done.
For people that can't carry or won't, it is. Pepper Spray is quicker to use than stun guns or tazers. More reliable than tazers too while less prone to failure.
yes imo its a million time better especially for untrained weak people like women. stun guns are a hollywood meme they dont do shit. tasers are unreliable with clothing and the fact you only get 1 or 2 shots and lets be real no bitch is going to be carrying one in a holster on her hip ready to deploy. pepperspray can be on your keychain in your hands or pockets ready to go.
if you just grab both a dogs front legs and spread them wide, the bone structure of a dog will cause it to crush its lungs and ribcage. you really dont need a knife to defend yourself from one.
Knife is the worse alternative, you are close to opponent and stabbing someone to death isn't as easy.
Just have baton in your dominant hand and pepper spray in second and you are fine.
Also if you have time take couple of years and learn some martial art.
the knife seems excessive, pepper spray would be enough
Pussy
pepper spray isn't legally a weapon but a knife sure is. if you're using the spray then closing in with the knife you're a psychopath and should be in prison.
Ha ha ha haha .
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Pepper spray is restricted almost as severely as guns in places like NYC
No it's not you stupid fuck.
It is in Canada. They confiscate pepper spray from old ladies. Not joking.
that's entirely jurisdiction dependent.
Second.
Gun laws, weapon laws and self-defense laws vary between cities, counties and states.
Types of knives with certain lengths, designs and features along with if they are concealed or not, can be a weapon or a tool.
Actually, in California, spraying somebody with pepper spray has the same weight as pulling a gun or knife.
You have the wrong idea.
The pepper spray is "stay away," the knife is "get off me."
the knife is a backup to the spray. there are situations where spray doesn't work for whatever reason, or it's not working fast enough, or maybe you even lose your spray or can't access that side of your body. whatever the case, if you're still being attacked by someone(s) with the means/intent to do grievous bodily harm, then you have the ability in the US to defend yourself with a knife or even a gun.
pepper spray is actually great and /k/ sleeps on it. crackhead giving you shit? spray him and go on about your day. nobody even cares. nobody will call the cops. can't say the same for a knife or a gun
Honestly this. I still say carry a knife simply because it's a useful tool, but the spray is what you want to grab first in a defense situation.
This. I keep three small cans of Foxlabs pepper spray in rotation with me. One in my car, one in my main chest rig in a grenade pouch (on the extremely wild off chance I ever need my rig and instead need pepper spray), and one I keep on me on occasionally.
I just snagged two 4oz cans from Arms Unlimited, but now I kinda wish I bought more. I'm gonna give one to my gf who lives in a college dorm with three other girls.
this. i carry a knife only for protection against pitbulls. the spray is for wild homeless druggies who might accost you but be unarmed, the pistol for armed human attackers
pepper spray can work on some dogs too, if they actually attack though I can see the reason to have a knife/gun
very true. worth carrying even with CCW for deescalation.
yeah i mean pepperspray would be my first line of defense against a dog i was just explaining that my knife is only for dog defense and not some fantasy knife fighting larp like most anons think they will have. 100% of the time i use my knife its on opening a package of food or cutting a box. i would not rely on one for self defense against a person unless it was last ditch. but i keep it on me for dogs because if pepperspray fails i go to the knife.
Gotcha. I mostly use my knives for boxes and fishing too so I hadn't even considered the dog angle.
I wonder if you get in a self defense shooting situation that is totally justifiable if you can still be fined for discharging a firearm within city limits.
>self defense shooting situation that is totally justifiable if you can still be fined for discharging a firearm within city limits
yes, you absoltutely can and since i live under the iron curtain of kommiefornia its not worth the risk for anything less than life or death. so if a pitbull latches onto my leg, a knife will be what i choose to pry it off with. obviously im good with dogs and can usually handle them without weapons but there are certain situations and breeds where they just want to attack you and nothing you do will stop it. ive personally seen pitbulls unfazed by pepperspray while attacking another dog so if you are already getting bit and it has latched and wont let go i would skip ahead up the tool ladder to the knife or whatever else you have at hand.
That guy was so close to being based as hell. Needed to hold on for like 5 more seconds
Nah, he went to choke the owner.
Wonder not, a guy shot a guy harassing him, and while he got off with it being self-defense, he was charged with discharging a firearm in a Mall.
Part of the training of old Soviet spies was throwing them into the cage with a wild dog, without any weapons ofc. Just saying.
>saying
have a nice day you dumbest-shit-believing retard.
I carry a small box cutter as my everyday cutting tool, it wouldn't defend me from a dog very well. That's why I have a gun. Pepper spray serves a purpose, but it won't save you from someone trying to stab you or shoot you, they will fight past the irritation. On dogs, I'm half and half on pepper spray. A dog about to bite you may be trying to kill you.
Knives are just about the worst option to defend your life with. You're getting shot or stabbed when you use it to defend and if you don't get shot or stabbed, did you even need to use the knife? How do you defend your knife use in court without a clear threat to your life?
yeah im not sure if you are trying to agree or disagree with me but everything you said basically reiterated my post. the only reason i carry a knife for dog defense is because i live in the suburbs of a kommunist shithole and the liability of gunfire is too great for anything but threat of imminent death. a dog bitting on my leg is going to be painful as fuck but its not worth the legal risks of shooting for me personally where i live, so thats where a knife would come in handy. can you imagine how many blue haired karens would call 911 saying im an active shooter if i shot some fucking dykes pitbull for sinking its teeth into my calf? then the commie DA would prosecute me bcause im obvoiusly a maga white republican since ive got a carry permit and would charge me with illegal discharge in the city and then all the activist attorneys from the israelite NGOs would swarm karens house begging her to let them sue me in civil court for PTSD on their behalf? not worth it. until i escape the knife and pepperspray and my kicks are the best wild dog defense i can use
I think you might be exaggerating a bit but discharging a firearm in a residential area is an automatic police questioning, even if it's just shooting a dog. Spraying a loose shitbull allows you to go about your business like nothing happened. Stabbing it is a bit of a grey area, but if it's loose with no owner nearby, then I wouldn't hesitate to slit its throat if it latched onto my leg or arm. I wouldn't want to risk shooting it if it's already biting me since there's just so much that can go wrong.
if i lived in a rural environment i would just use the pistol on the dog but because im in the city and suburbs its not worth the liability of a richochet or pass through and getting sued into homelessness even if the only damage is a small hole in the side of some roastie champagne liberals house wall
Pretty much. Knives are useful tools and I hate having to go anywhere without mine as such, but they're absolute garbage as far as self defense goes.
This, it's silent and deniable. I always carry spray. Sprayed 2 different hobos and they fucked off immediately
this. The first thing any good firearms instructor teaches is that if you don't absolutely need to use a gun you shouldn't. It's a pain in the dick and if you've ever done it before you know it weighs on you. Buy POM brand and tape the seam shut.
NOBODY DID THIS! NOBODY GOUGED MY EYE OUT!
What's everyone's choice? I've been looking at a Saber 3-in-1, but the more I think about it, the more CS gas anywhere outside seems like a bad idea.
I just pull down my pants and explosive diarrhea at the ornery hoboes
POM or some other stream without CS. OC by itself is already very effective.
i carry a spray with a ballpean hammer under my belt, the best alternative is something like a backripper tomahawk which is designed to be a ccw tool but im not willing to pay 350$ for a tomahawk
>$350 for a tomahawk
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I have 7 in my basement
I have three in my ass.
hawt
i am not talking about this flying dildo you dumb nagger
https://www.recoilweb.com/incoming-new-products-3-150640.html
In what world is it easier to EDC that thing than a knife and a gun?
On a reservation I'd wager
Sometimes you get lucky in gunbroker
>he didn't enjoy milsurp prices
Dumb zoomers will never know how good it was
Pepper spray + flashlight is best combo
knives are dogshit for self defense but no reason to not carry a small one. pepper spray and high lumens flashlights are your best bets.
Moving to a free country is the best alternative, Anon. Why do you hate freedom?
But you pinknaggers keep saying that you are full.
>Free country
Wich ones are those?
Uuoooh Cold Steel Ti-Lite
Patrician taste, I must say
Spray knife and light. Easy to carry all 3 if needed
That’s what I carried before I could get a pistol permit. You might also consider a collapsible night stick if they’re legal in your area.
You must turn your body into a deadly weapon; even some ancient chick in some R. Heinlein novel was throwing away all the crap which was landing in her hands because it was only slowing her down and cramping her style.
Seriously, either you are above the physical threshold and you don't need no tier F "weapons" or you are below and these poor man's utensils won't save you anyway.
spray can prevent a fight from happening at all. that's the point. if you have MMA training you can still bleed to death after a physically inferior hobo stabs the shit out of you before you could take him out. your primary goal in self-defense should be avoiding actual combat if it's at all possible, because actual combat is incredibly risky even if you know a thing or two about it.
likewise people like to regurgitate talking points that shit on knives, but their primary use-case in self-defense is actually just for scaring people away rather than as a "retention knife", ninja dagger, or whatever else people like to imagine. a knife fight is horrible but *most people aren't willing to knife fight you.* if you're unarmed and they have something though, they might try their luck.
Yes
What's the best EDC self defense flashlight, for lumens, not clubbing?
good question. subbing for answer.
people are almost as faggy about flashlights are they are about knives/watches/etc. in reality you don't actually need a shitload of lumens to blind someone. i have a streamlight microstream and it is bright AS FUCK, not expensive, and very easy to carry... but to a flashlight fag streamlight is "entry level"
Why not both? I’ve had the old 200 lumen version of picrel (current one is 1000) and it’s held up great.
is pepper spray a viable option when visiting NYC? seems like even most decent sized knives are illegal there
Maybe carry a metal pen.
spray/taser
Knife, not so much. Fighting knives and knife self defence are pretty much a meme. But pepper spray is in many cases (not all of them) better than a gun
>Junkie bothering you?
Spray him and go on with your day, nobody bats an eye
>Bar fight?
Spray that fucker, his friends, and go on with your day. No lawsuits, cracked skulls, and fucker will have a much worse day than if you just knock him out cold
>You get shitfaced and lose it or get irresponsible?
Where i live very decent ones cost about 15$. Sometimes when i go drinking with female friends i give them my pepper spray if they go back home alone, it costs next to nothing. And no dead bodies if somebody gets stupid with it
>Severly depressed?
Give your guns to a friend for a while and walk with a pepper spray. I have never heard about a guy who tried to kill himself with a pepper spray
>Traveling abroad
Legal stuff is a bitch, but pepper sprays are much less of a problem to carry in most of the world
>Clubbing, concerts
Hide the spray under your balls, no bouncer ever felt it when i did it. Can't say the same about a gun. I live outside the us tho, not many people care about someone bombing or gunning down a public event here, so personal searches are more of a formality and checking if someone is getting their own booze inside
>Getting laid
You keep your spray in your pocket, you undress and there no explaining to do, no stupid questions, and most importantly, if you go to sleep she won't rob you or starts playing with your gun
Pepper sprays are also much more limited by ranges, wind, spaces in which you can use them and overall not as effective, pistols are much better for life or death situations, if i could only have one i would choose a gun. But it's nice to have a non-lethal option
> Hide the spray under your balls, no bouncer ever felt it when i did it
If you have to get patted down before entering a club it’s probably not a club you want to be at.
t. never went to a club abroad
Reddit woman is here. have a nice day before posting like that on the Ukraine board
>reddit
>woman
>ukraine
Lmao this post would be perfect if you mentioned black penises and israelites
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Add a good pocket flashlight. I like the Olight baton3. It's small, solid, and has good controls. 1200 lumen is bright enough to blind someone even in daylight.
It adds a "harmless" level of defense, like of you see someone crouched next to your car, you use your light, o wait it's just some guy who dropped his keys. no harm done.
Those pepper sprays are fucking pathetic
Shoot an expired one and you’ll stop carrying it once you see the spray partyern
what? they have a stream. thats much better than foggers for avoiding spraying yorself
You want the fog so you can lay a cloud as you retreat not play pepper spray sniper with a raging brownskin
that makes sense i guess but what if the encounter happens on a day and time where its not 0mph perfectly still wind?
For people that can't carry or won't, it is. Pepper Spray is quicker to use than stun guns or tazers. More reliable than tazers too while less prone to failure.
yes imo its a million time better especially for untrained weak people like women. stun guns are a hollywood meme they dont do shit. tasers are unreliable with clothing and the fact you only get 1 or 2 shots and lets be real no bitch is going to be carrying one in a holster on her hip ready to deploy. pepperspray can be on your keychain in your hands or pockets ready to go.
what about a knife coated in pepper spray so it has a status effect?
if you just grab both a dogs front legs and spread them wide, the bone structure of a dog will cause it to crush its lungs and ribcage. you really dont need a knife to defend yourself from one.
Just do it
hmm im not sure you want textured surfaces like that for a shitter
I live in a large city where cars are always trying to clip me or run me over.
I carry the max legal blade in a spring assisted knife.
I use my carry knife to gouge the paint job and tires of killer cars. Totally effs them because they can't stop to confront me.
I am kept very busy sharpening, unfort.
are you a cyclist?
Knife is the worse alternative, you are close to opponent and stabbing someone to death isn't as easy.
Just have baton in your dominant hand and pepper spray in second and you are fine.
Also if you have time take couple of years and learn some martial art.