Is MultiCam really the best camouflage pattern, or was it adopted for cost/logistical reasons?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Camouflage is a meme. It and it's variationswas adopted because everone else adopted them. The same thing as with Khaki and Olive Drab.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Camouflage is a meme.

      You're that UKuck that was calling stealth a meme in that other thread a short time ago, aren't you?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and yes. Best in terms of most flexible since it does okay in the widest band of environments, and downstream of this flexibility is the reduced strain on logistics and budget that comes from only needing a single pattern.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/DeJML8U.png

      Camouflage is a meme. It and it's variationswas adopted because everone else adopted them. The same thing as with Khaki and Olive Drab.

      >it does okay
      It absolutely fricking sucks in woodland, so it's completely moronic to adopt it in Europe.

      I used to play airshit when I was younger, (its a bit different in eastern europe, lots of old bunkers and bases, so we mostly played in forests with, and those who chose multicam ware just glowing.

      > Khaki and Olive Drab
      There was a group of 'nam fanatics, they are somewhat well trained for civilians, and despite wearing nam-era khakis, they had no problem in being invisible if needs be.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >absolutely sucks in woodland
        Not OCP

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was just better than the ACU
    And now It’s the perfect camo for getting deployed to the middle eat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the middle eat
      hell yeah, fighting in the dessert

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no single "best" camo pattern

    But multicam works acceptably in a shitload of environments and they decided that was more important. They were right.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Good enough" in basically any environment that isn't arctic tundra, with OCP/Scorpion being tailored slightly more for deserts. I imagine if we got into a big war somewhere we'd push out a new camo tailored for that environment, at least for deployments.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ocp for deserts
      The camo is green to fit in with grassy/foresty environments, which multicam itself doesn't do as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >mfw looking at MultiCam vs OCP pictures and OCP is indeed greener than MultiCam
        wtf I swear it was the opposite. Why did we add extra green to it while we were operating in the desert lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OCP is also greener, vertical and the spots on the pattern is also larger. We made it green because MultiCam is not that good in grassy environments. Although even in deserts OCP still blends in well.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its not that bad in deserts.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cost. That's it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't. You're moronic.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >MARPAT Woodland superior to Multicam in woodlands
        >MARPAT Desert superior to Multicam in deserts
        There's a reason why the Marines STILL use MARPAT and will probably do so until active camo comes out, while Multicam will be dropped after 10 years.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >marines still use marpat
          They officially stated that they stuck with marpat for the sake of identify. The effectiveness of the camo came second.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >identify
            >effectiveness came second
            Wrong on both counts. The USMC wanted camo more effective than M82 and 3 color desert, both of which was successful. Stop spreading lies.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They recently stated that they kept maroat for the sake of identity, anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >n-no they just kept it because of i-identity
                STOP. FRICKING. LYING.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This was demonstrated by a Marine spokesman at the launch of MARPAT, who stated: "We want to be instantly recognized as a force to be reckoned with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >moves the goalposts
                You said they KEPT IT. The main objective of MARPAT was to be more effective than the current issue, and in a brilliant move safeguard Marines from friendly fire from the ubiquitous M82 pattern.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And they are keeping it for the sake of identify lol. Why else do you think they didn't let the army adopt it and instantly patent the damn thing? Especially since Congress made sure that everyone wanting to transition to another camo get OCP by default.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's effective
                >no they just keep it because it's different lol
                The Marines don't have the budget to do stupid shit like the Army. Multicam is fricking stupid and is going to get a ton of soldiers killed due to friendly fire.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't have the budget
                It cost them 0 to switch to OCP, moron. The air force wears the same uniform as the army and congress made damn sure nobody is developing their own unique autismo camo if they want another camo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it cost nothing
                I don't believe that you're this stupid, you have to be trolling.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >marines don't have to develop their own camo, the army did
                >the marines also don't have to manufacture the uniforms, because the army did
                Anon, it literally cost them nothing. If the marpat pattern was "not for identity", then the marines wouldn't have the audacity to plaster their logo all over the uniform.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >adopts UCP
                >iT cOsT noThInG
                >adopts OCP
                >iT CoST noTHiNg
                How many staircases and coat hangers did you fricking survive?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, and its cheaper compared to developing a new camo, let alone a uniform for it. The air force switched to OCP and gotten uniforms worn by the army. It also make things logistically more simple. That reminds me, didn't marpat Caused logistical issues a few months ago?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a 20 year old pattern
                >cause logistical issues
                >for the most logistically agile branch
                I..... I can't even...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, they literally had marpat woodland shortages a few months ago. Its gotten so bad that they authorizes desert marpat/FROGs to be used in garrison.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >for garrison
                Oh for fricks sake, the seasonal camo dress code was one of the dumbest fricking things that we had to put up with, that's not a fricking supply issue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2023/08/31/marine-camouflage-uniform-shortage-wont-be-fixed-until-summer-2024/
                Its not a seasonal thing, moron. There were genuine shortages.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited uniform item is limited
                WOW SHOCKING.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And why is that uniform limited, moron?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >smallest fricking service branch with limited funds
                Yep. Keep going.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, they literally admitted that those uniforms are short in supply because of supply chain issues.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited manufacturers for a limited service branch with limited funds
                Seeing people like you get droned is going to be a treat.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited manufacturers
                They are made by the same contractors that make military garments for other branches

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >said manufacturer makes set amount of garments
                >smallest branch gets less uniforms gets affected
                WOW. Multicam is truly a moron filter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gets less uniform
                Anon, the marpat shortages is not caused by that. Its literally caused by COVID19 bullshit, which somehow effected the marine corps. If the marines adopted OCP, they wouldn't be having this sort of issue about the cost and logistics. Marines get their own batch of army uniforms and everything gets more simple.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t forget that in order for soldiers to claim the protection of the Geneva Treaties soldiers have to be in uniform. Countries that are signatories, like the USA, are required to register their uniforms with that organization. Soldiers not in registered uniforms can be executed as spies.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ready one industry's, propper, american apparel and so on all make military uniforms of all kind. Even Crye make some Marpat shit. There is no limited manufacturing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >implying any are authorized
                Sigh.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >any are authorized
                All of them make uniforms for the military, including the marine corps. I literally have marpat made by American apparel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I believe it, I know a guy who makes marpat pouches for marine gear, he had to scale back production because the material can't be sourced anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For someone shilling the marines, you sure don't pay attention to recent news about them

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, the marines ran out of woodland marpat a few months ago due to issues with supply chains.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It literally cost nothing for the marines to adopt OCP, moron. Much like the air force, they can adopt it if they want to change camos. If the marines actually want to save money, they should just adopt it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Kept (stuck) not adopted you disingenuous fricking c**t.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >after 10 years
          The military has been using MultiCam/Scorpion for 15 years. Compare that to UCP, which was only used for 14 years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >counts limited issue as full service
            Oooooooooooooof

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >limited issue
              MultiCam was issued in in Afghanistan specifically, but became widely used in 2015 when they were transitioning to OCP.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >2015
                >2024
                So 9 years? MARPAT is going on 22.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, it was issued in 2010. 2009 was when they began field testing it at a wider scale. 2015 was when they began issuing it to garrison in an effort to transition to OCP

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited fricking issue
                Why are Multicam wearers so fricking stupid?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited issue
                Yea, hundreds of thousands of soldiers is limited issue, moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only issued to troops in Afghanistan
                >limited issue
                Keep moving those goalposts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >limited issue
                Yea, to fricking combat zones you fool. They were only made in FRACUs because they were made for soldiers deploying to combat zones. Which saw wide usage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only in Afghanistan
                God sniping Multicam users is going to be fricking cathartic during the burgerkreig.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >only in Afghanistan
                It also saw some action in iraq, but by the time multicam is fielded, america is already pulling troops out of the country. Which is why it stuck with Afghanistan.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >have to issue a new camo because your main issue camo is fricking garbage
                You don't see an issue with this?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, because Afghanistan in the early 2010s was a damn war zone. Iraq was settling down.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wasn't mass issued
                What part of this do you not understand?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wasn't mass issued
                Yea, it was if you're not in garrison lol. We had like 100k troops rotating in and out of the country during those times. And its gotten to the point that the military created surplus of MultiCam products.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not issued to 95% of the Army
                That's the fricking equivalent of showing the M4A1 SOPMOD Block 2 as the service rifle of the Army, that's how far you are reaching.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're comparing something issued to a selective few soldiers to something used by hundreds of thousands of them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >overwhelming majority of soldiers don't use it
                >overwhelming majority of soldiers don't use it
                And /k/ loves to call Marines moronic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, it was used at the height of Afghanistan, which involved hundreds of thousands of soldiers. The military made millions of uniforms in MultiCam to the point it was used in the transitional period between 2015-2019

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not used by 95% of the Army-
                >NOOOOOOOOOOOO
                >talks about having to transition
                Multicam was, and is a fricking scam.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                OCP is multicam dumbass. It's an alright camo pattern but it's a military uniform so I don't use it. Hunting camo and solid colors work fine. If you really need to not be seen make a ghillie suit. You are a civilian you can do whatever you want, but it's moronic to put on a military uniform and go out and do your larp. You will be shot when SHTF being out alone like that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >OCP is Multicam
                2 are entirely different camos derived of the same scorpion pattern.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same thing, one on the left has been washed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >washed
                I MultiCam, by default, has brown base colors. OCP is more green with its base. Faded multicam looks more white

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its a military uniform
                Nobody cares. Its durable and its also an efficient camo. When shit hit the fan, it will be useful when it comes to concealment and also heavy duty usage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >has ignored Ukraine War
                Lol, lamo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ignored
                The war has shown that multicam is efficient.
                >b-but friendly fire
                No such incident has been reported because of uniforms. Camos are meant to break up silhouettes. Even if both are using the same uniform, its easy to tell who is friend or foe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ignored the fact that people have to wear brightly colored tape patches to avoid friendly fire
                >Multicam rated the lowest camo in theater
                LAMO

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea, because they don't have their own IFF system, moron. Every military worth a damn has their own IFF system. Either on their rifles, uniforms(IR Patches or whatever) and such. It has nothing to do with camos, but rather poor communications/IFF system.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The tapes doesn't remove the efficiency of the camo. It, however, makes it easier for poor countries to avoid friendly fire.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Utterly irrelevant. I dont need to wear IFF because I know who my friends and family are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wear Multicam
                >get shot at by Rebels because they think you're a fed
                >get shot at by Feds because they think you're a Rebel
                >get shot at by civilians who think you're a deserter or a bandit
                Man Multicam is going to be The Great Filter for morons.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Camp patterns are usually patented and restricted by law to military use (officially). This helps comply with Geneva Treaty regulations on uniforms.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The argument for the marines keeping marpat for the effectiveness would be believable if they weren't autistic about the copyright of marpat.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's some multicam in iraq

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >original post
    >is it adopted for effectiveness or cost/logistics
    >all the anons dogpiling MARPAT anon on cost and logistics
    Oh I'm fricking laughing.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's how I know mulitcam is good: Delta Force wears it. The most elite Army unit that can choose to wear whatever pattern they want chooses to wear multicam. That's how I know it's good.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have those pants lol. Its pretty good, wish crye kept the plain colored nylon on their pants.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cost
    homie this ain't the 1600s anymore. Clothes don't cost more because of the pattern.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on who is setting up the prices

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally why it exists moron. If you had multiple patterns you don't just have more uniforms to buy, you also have to buy twice as much of every piece of kit.

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