Is LMP-2017 a new real wunderwaffe?

Is LMP-2017 a new real wunderwaffe?
Nearly every single POWnik mentions and remembers them with fear like no other weapon. Or is it just a simple survivorship bias because most captured mobniks sit in trenches and don't die from GMLRS or drones?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this contractnik would rather be in a russian prison than the front
      one choice is a painful existence
      the other a quick death
      grim

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Knee mortar is back

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Knee mortar was responsible for like 25% of all US casualties in the Pacific.
    Obviously not a perfect comparison.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      just like the "knee mortar" in WW2, line grunts who were hit hard by the thing talk about it, despite it not really having much operational impact actually

      a kind of selection bias

      utter bullshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would be impossible to wage war without tactical scale weapons. What are some other weapons soldiers love but McNamara-idolizing civilians sneer at?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          examples of weapons loved by knuckle-dragging grunts unable to see the bigger picture include flamethrowers, battleships and A-10s

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was asking a serious question. Get your boomerslop outta here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I was asking a serious question
              then go ask a "McNamara-loving civilian"
              I suggest nursing homes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                An army with 50% self-loading howitzers, 40% supply trucks, and 10% bolt action rifles isn't going to have the efficacy you think it is. Even Stalin understood battalion mortars were needed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, and the 2" mortar isn't a "battalion mortar", so you're not making the point you think you are

                unless it was a WW2 Chinese battalion maybe lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the false dichotomy trick
                What's the highest level of organization you consider not worth improving, zigger? Did a Polish mortar kill your top?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >false dichotomy
                only to point out your rampant strawmanning, dipshit
                >if I call him a zigger they won't notice I'm wrong
                and this is ad hominem

                leaving your homosexualy PrepHole debate tactics aside, 2" mortars basically don't give enough bang for the logistical buck, which is why most NATO armies not the fricking Fr*nch have switched up to the 81mm for the infantry battalion mortar role. anyone hit by a 60mm shell obviously is most impressed by the thing, but that's only because they didn't have the opportunity to be impressed by a better weapon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Commando mortars are perfect for trench fighting because you can hit whatever you need to hit from trench to trench the instant you need it
                40mm and 81mm are both cope and obsolete

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >smallest RCGM is 81 mm

                I await your apology.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brits estimated their knee mortar accuracy of hitting open target (not trench), aka landing bomb within kill radius (that is obviously overestimated ) like 5% hit probability at 600 meters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40mm and 81mm are both cope and obsolete
                gr8 b8 m8 8/8

                Yet the leader of NATO, America, still uses 60mm company mortars. Curious!

                mm, yes, this might possibly be due to the fact that company mortars aren't battalion mortars, if I'm not mistaken

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yet the leader of NATO, America, still uses 60mm company mortars. Curious!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Portuguese, Spanish and Austrians all use commando mortars in 60mm...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your opponent is just some salty small pp mortarman who doesn't understand his 81mm is obsolete

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Portuguese, Spanish and Austrians
                are on a budget

                Seems like with sporting drones and laser range finders you could get rounds on target a lot more accurately than you could have ever dreamed of during the second world war.

                the issue is that for the weight of a commando mortar you can carry a grenade launcher and much more 40mm ammo, and there are ranging devices for those too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40mm is a meme with jack shit for effect
                Seriously, after WW2 all ~50mm mortars were dropped because of the limited wounding radius especially in soft ground, but somehow 40mm grenades are so much better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the tradeoff here is firepower vs ammo capacity, just as with 5.56 and 7.62

                for the same weight, a 50-60mm mortar and its ammo doesn't have enough lethality vs a 40mm grenade launcher and its ammo. a 40mm GL may be have smaller killing radius but you can shoot a lot more of it to compensate. the main reason in the past 20 years to carry a mortar of this type is for smoke and illumination rounds, but that's much less useful now thanks to NODs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Flamethrowers
            >Strap this tank of highly flammable liquid on your back, crawl up close to a fortified position, and reveal your exact location to the enemy by shooting a massive gout of flame, oh and if you get captured you're getting tortured to death slowly for being the butthole with a flamethrower
            Flamethrowers not loved by soldiers
            >A10
            >Highest friendly fire incidents of all US aircraft
            >Call in airstrike
            >Die
            A-10 not beloved by soldiers
            >Battleships
            >Morale black hole
            >From soldier point of view doesnt matter if its a battleship or a destroyer since its all missiles anyway

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Strap this tank of highly flammable liquid on your back
              You were only at risk of being on fire while carrying a flamethrower if you were hit by a explosive, in which case you'd be fricked anyway because of the explosion and shrapnel. Flamethrower tanks exploding by being hit with a bullet is a Hollywood myth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop being moronic.
                If the fuel tanks got hit by a bullet they'd spray liquid napalm everywhere uncontrollably, if there was an open flame anywhere near the operator at that point (such as in the tip of the spray nozzle) he'd go up like the 4th of July.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Soldiers having weapons that boost their confidence has value even if they aren't super efficient.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Frick your morale memes. I'm talking about weapons which are legitimately tactically useful, but not desired by efficiency fetishists who can't see the small picture.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >legitimately tactically useful, but not desired by efficiency fetishists who can't see the small picture
                everything refooormers hate

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I crunched the numbers based off published Department of War data.
        To be fair I believe it was actually ~18%
        And I should have said "land based combat casualties."
        But it was an astoundingly high figure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like with sporting drones and laser range finders you could get rounds on target a lot more accurately than you could have ever dreamed of during the second world war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >25% of all casualties in RO2:RS
      ftfy

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nearly every single POWnik mentions and remembers them with fear like no other weapon
    "Polish mortars" isn't a specific Polish mortar. It's Russian slang for all 60mm mortars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They call polka silent mortars, that you only hear when it explodes under your feet, not all 60mm.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it. Isn't the LMP-2017 manufactured by Polish PGZ?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao at 40mm troons
    Make way for real weapons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is it a homemade type thing maybe?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nearly every single POWnik mentions and remembers them with fear like no other weapon.
    Can they even discriminate between knee mortar bombs and drone nade drops?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Watching all the videos from Ukis assaulting the trenches from earlier in the war, it did kind of feel like they were missing light organic fire support. Sure the tanks and IFV are phenomenal, but there's something to be said about having in house capability. That sort of mortar was pretty much exactly what I had in mind. Is it effective? I dunno, but it seems like a nice step up from only having hand grenades or maybe an underbarrel grenade launcher.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    60mm mortar should be on one APC of each platoon. Probably too based to be placed on each and every vehicle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jews have 60mm on every Merkavo tank. Also they have no IFVs and their infantry is always supported by their tanks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sneaky

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look at this dude.
    >born in 2000
    >typical Russian zoomer doomer
    >beaten by parents
    >only have his grandma
    >signs a contract, gets sent to hell
    >is made prisoner
    >now says he will never come back and rather stay in jail where he will obviously be raped to death
    >considers himself a "moron" who took bad decisions.
    A-anons, is there a hope for some Russians when this shit will be over or are the only redeemable ones already dead or soon to be?

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