Is it strategically viable to have an army group destroyed during a feint operation?
Is it strategically viable to have an army group destroyed during a feint operation?
Is it strategically viable to have an army group destroyed during a feint operation?
they all returned home under their own power
If by home you mean hell.
yes, they returned to russia. that's what he said.
story?
>russia performs a 'feint' attack on Kiev (fuck off, every map game I ever played spells it Kiev and that's how it's staying)
>sends their premier guards tank army to attack
>it gets chewed up during the advance
>realize they can't take the capital
>begin full scale retreat, abandoning hundreds of vehicles from trucks to tanks
>guards tank army ceases to exist as a functional force because of this and needs to be reconstituted, doesn't even show up to the victory day parade it goes to every year
that's the basics of it
Not to mention the 'elite' VDV being chewed up by militia reservists at the same time
Dont forget the convoy of riot cops that outpaced the mechanized units and just got fucked up by Ukrainian regulars
Anyone still have that pic of them stacking riot shields out of a truck?
>convoy
It was like 3 trucks
>that video of a Tiger or something similar broadcasting 'remain calm go home' from a PA system and a Ukrianian just hitting it with an rpg
That initial rush was such a cluster fuck. It took them 2 weeks before they stopped just driving down main roads into cities, and they had taken thousands of losses by that point
It was a BMP and that was ironically in Bucha.
>When they executed an entire town for blowing up a propaganda vehicle
Has there been a single Tigr sighting since this?
No, hunted to extinction 🙁
Yeah, a there were a few.
>Not to mention the 'elite' VDV being chewed up by militia reservists at the same time
Like, 1 group got ambushed in Kharkov and 1 in Kiev
They weren't expecting any resistance so they rolled into the center of each city
How do you expect 70 guys in what are basically jeeps to defend against thousands of men?
>How do you expect 70 guys in what are basically jeeps to defend against thousands of men?
by not having 70 guys in jeeps go against thousands of men? if you're the attacker and that's the situation you find yourself in, that's entirely on you.
>They weren't expecting any resistance
That's pure incompetence.
Its kyiv, people who live there decide the name.
Except for Peking because the people who renamed it are commies so don't get a say
shut the fuck up nobody cares, there's a bigger priority at the moment
It's Kyiv.
and you're gay
Making ziggers seethe over the little things will always be a priority.
Královec je Česki!
No they don't. It's Konugarðr and I will not accept any argument to the contrary.
If the french can call London Londres and Beijin Pékin, I can call it Kiev
Who are you trying to impress on PrepHole by doing this?
I'm impressed.
Get back to me when you pronounce every African and Asian place name the way the natives do English-tard.
>People who live there decide the name.
So I expect you also call Japan "Nihon," you call Germany "Deutschland," you call Argentina "ArHENtina," you call China "Zhongguo," and you call Calcutta "Kolkata," right?
Vatmorons will hang fromevery lampost from Lviv to Vladivostok, in-fucking-shallah, but the bulk of the Western world will still say Kiev, not "Kyiv," and a shit ton will *always* write Kiev.
Don't be a gay.
No, because those are different circumstances and you don't even know what those are. Japan has never asked English speaking nations to use its real name. Japan is nonetheless the one that gets to name itself, no ifs, and, or buts. They just allow Japan is all.
>gay saying nothing of substance just to argue
It's been Kiev my entire life, no vatmoron war is going to change that, and certainly not virtue signaling gays on the internet like yourself.
Don't reply to that gay. He's a vatmoron larping as a redditor, then again, I guess they're one and the same.
>allow
To allow would suggest they have the capacity to force you to do otherwise, but don't.
Japan has no way to compel me to say Nihon, Germs have no capacity to compel me to say Deutschland, Argies have no capacity to compel me to say ArHENtina, chinks have negative capacity to compel me to say Zhongguo, and Pajeets have no capacity to compel me to say Kolkata.
Your imaginary circumstances have zero bearing on the real world nor on the people who occupy it.
You're just a gay.
based, nobody changed names of cities in occupied europe back in ww2 as a sign of solidarity
I'm not adding some gay fucking YIEEEE to each city name
>you call China "Zhongguo,"
I can call it Chinkongo if it makes them happy.
exactly and it translate to Kiev in English and with roman characters, this was never a problem before this war started
Ки́їв = Kyiv
Ки́eв = Kiev
Knib
Kneb
Snib
Snab
Then they should've spelled it "correctly" the first time.
The actual reason to switch to Kyiv was that it annoys vatniks and makes them easier to spot when they don't switch.
I'm usually stubborn about this kind of thing but knowing ziggers want me to call it Kiev made it very easy to switch.
Oh yeah, that sure worked by calling ISIS DAESH just to hurt their fee fees cuz it kinda sounded like bitch in whatever their native tongue is. No, bombing them to fuck did. People need to seriously fuck off with this gay bullshit.
The chicken dish has it right. I think more about those hamsters in the frozen food section than these retarded slavs. And they don't even spell it in Phonetic letters so I can call it whatever the fuck I want.
reddit moment
its "kiev", its "the ukraine" and its "sir" and it has nothing to do with being pro vatnig, get over it gay
when your battlefield loses are so bad you have to try to muddy the water on a anime discussion board and desperately pound rocks trying to get americans to call it what russians call it and add 'the' before the country to erode peoples view on its sovereignty
you HAVE to go back Rakesh
Post multipolar drinkable tap water.
its not even a translation or pronunciation thing its objectively a russian spelling of a ukranian city if you call it kiev
thus ur a gay
its not a modern war thing its literally always been that way just americans are pig ignorant same type of people who called stalker a russian game
>seething this much over nothing.
Also the largest city in Crimea is Sebastapol, nerd.
Buddy haven’t you heard the new lore? Russia claims it was an orderly retreat due to a deal with Ukraine to leave the city alone (and presumably get what they wanted in the east for it) but evil nazi banderites geneticqlly engineered by NATO betrayed the deal.
I know it is hard to keep track of russian narratives which can change rapidly but that is the last official russian take.
That was the day I stopped being a vatnik
do they delete their tweets after being humiliated like this or do they just memoryhole it?
They don't care as they can simply bury it with 20 new lies
>invading force practices maskirovka
How could they do such a thing!?!?!?!? They're supposed to make a big speech declaring their intentions re: freedom and shiet
You're supposed to tell your own soldiers and not have them realize it's not a drill 50 miles into Ukraine. Maybe you wouldn't have lost all your good shit in the first couple days
The only people who were surprised by the invasion were Russia's own soldiers. America and Ukraine knew everything well in advance. That's not "maskirovka", that's cargo-cult idiocy.
gay
>stating deception is used in war makes you a vatnik
>Deception is used in war
But anon this is a special military operation not a war, so there can be of no deception.
"maskirovka" is pseud jargon akin to "gerasimov doctrine" that unquestionably warrants a slur in this context and overwhelmingly points to the speaker being a wee vattie shit heel, yes – because trotting out kewl kremlin whisperer werdz like this to characterise russian info op efforts at the outset of the war, after all we know about how much went wrong, would be deeply embarrassing to any westerner likely to know the term in the first place.
fellas is it embarrassing to...know things?
you're doing great buddy. nobody can tell you're invested in having read a wikipedia article or that you feel threatened by people saying "lmao no"
it takes seconds to reply and help me practice my touch typing
Too bad they forgot to tell their own soldiers the truth
I was floating around the idea that these must have been decoys, since the Russians were openly bragging about theirs before the war started. Always a Western chauvinist and a bigot, but I had difficulty believing they could be that incompetent. What I've learned is that the Russians have no capacity for military deception at the strategic scale and what you see is what you get.
>I had difficulty believing they could be that incompetent.
It took me six months to realize that there was no subterfuge and no plan, Russia really is just that stupid. I think the video of the tank whiskey throttling into the tree fully dispelled my illusions.
I miss the early war bros
Shit was kino
Zakharova along Lavrov, Shoigu, Gerasimo Putin, Mishustin, Medved, Volodin and all the other cronies assholes will be hanged. The day of the rope is near.
I would prefer a fair trial leading to imprisonment for several decades to life. In some ways that's more humiliating and debasing to them than death.
It is because of their insanity, ambitions, greed, power mongering, evil and destructive personality, they are the most dangerous and worst human being. They are no right to have a fair trial, like Mussolini, Ceausescu, Saddam, or Gaddafi they deserve nothing but being executed.
Hear me out: castrate all ziggers and make them wear dresses. They wanna bitch about NAFO chuds so much, they can become what they hate the most.
We don't need more trannies I'm sick of those creeps.
I hear you man, counterpoint: It would be really funny.
>a NAFO chud projecting
ynbaw
No.
Was it really a army group? It was definately a corps-sized casualty rate.
>Was it really a army group?
No, OP is just a retard and probably believes the " MUH GHOST OF KIEV SHOT DOWN 39 SU-30S " meme
As far as I've gathered over the past year or so, Russia lost a couple hundred troops in the Kiev push, 1500 at most
Still alot of troops by Western army standards, but not that much when you consider both sides were pretty evenly matched
The biggest blow wasn't the losses, it was that there was no plan B and they kept on going on plan A despite it going wrong straight away.
There was plenty of corpses.
You really need to talk about this after more than one year and millions of threads already opened about it?
Christ almighty, I was twitching like a retard hoping they would attack those dumb motherfuckers when they were stuck on those roads. Imagine what would have happened to the vatmorons if our Ukronazi frens had the long-range capabilities they have today.
Man,, if the Ho Chi Min trail had been like this...Bomb bay doors open.
I'm still calling it Kiev just because that's what all my map painting games have it spelled as for decades and I don't care to fix it. Turkey is always going to be turkey as well no matter how many I'd and special characters they now want to add
My question still stands - is a 'feint' viable if it results in the destruction of your army group and you made no real gains on the "real" attack axis? TZD
ITS TURKYIV