Is it still possible for Ukraine to win at this point ?

Is it still possible for Ukraine to win at this point ?

What weapon could change the tide of the war in favor of Ukraine ?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HIMARS, if Ukraine gets them, they could destroy command posts and the logistics depots fueling Russian guns. If this happens Ukraine could be on the defensive by September.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >defensive
      I mean offensive of course, and a limited offensive I should say.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >infavor
    Its already been in favor for months. Russia has 2 options. Lose slowly or lose fast.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically shaded style drones. The west could produce tens of thousands of them in a matter of months. Saturating vatnig AD and blowing up every military and infrastructure installation in a 1500km range from the border

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >change the tide of the war in favor of Ukraine

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine is already winning, so...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, a win for Ukraine would be going back to 2014 borders at the very least. So far Russia didn't lose anything valuable and if they keep even a square kilometer of land, they win.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So far Russia didn't lose anything valuable

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of the dead are subhuman churkas who's lives were worthless to being with. And anyway, Russia has kidnapped and brainwashed more kids that they lost soldiers so far

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes, they werent valuable. newer stocks of russian equipment are still not being used
          all russia lost are
          >outdated ~20 year old tanks
          >outdated ~20 year old aircraft
          >outdated ~20 year old missile cruiser
          >outdated ~20 year old conscripts
          >many other outdated equipment, none of which are latest
          all of these were slated to be replaced anyways

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Majority of dead were not even human, military hardware is not important since they can't be invaded anyway

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s one hell of a cope

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I am retarded

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Armata soon comrade

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >outdated 20 year old conscripts
            top jej

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >newer stocks of russian equipment are still not being used
            Anon... I... You know what, let him enjoy the fantasy. Yes, the T-14's and Su-57's are Russia's future.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              bro now that they don't have to maintain (lol) the older equipment, they can make lots of T-14s and Su-57s!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's like when I'm playing Total War and I don't want to pay for the upkeep for my units so I send them to certain death to slightly weaken the enemy and save money. Big brain retarded Russians.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They are 100% unironically doing this with convicts

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And older men. A 50+ yo guy has already provided majority of his economic value and will only continue to be an increasing net drain

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yep. None of those guys are getting out alive, they'll be used up like a spearman from Age of Empires 2.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >when 4 existing armats enter the battle we will surely win the war

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >outdated ~20 year old conscripts
            subtle. nicely done.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >outdated ~20 year old conscripts
            As long as they aren't young guys from Moscow or St Petersburg their lives have exactly 0(zero) value. Hell, in the case of penal battalions getting the killed is a net gain.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >lives of most Russians have 0 value to Russian government
              Their deaths can still be a problem to Russia, if they make their family and friends unhappy and less willing to follow government laws, pay taxes, join the army in future or that sort of thing.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Silly anon, that's what millions strong apparatus of repression if for. Check out how many policeman and rosgvardia there is

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ~20 year old conscripts

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >outdated ~20 year old conscripts
            Wew lad, that one deserves a (You).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Failing all our declared goals and destroying our position as a regional power doesn't matter because we kept 1/6th of Superdimensional Megafortress Pissky.
        Lmao. Russia has basically already lost.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, Russia is an autarky. The only things they can't source inside country are some cutting edge technologies which they can buy from china or smuggle from the west anyway.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >autarky
            >Russia
            moron they can’t even make ball bearings what the fuck are you talking about

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They have abundance of food, every natural resource there is, human capital and inseparable trade partners. It's impossible to sanction russian economy into a collapse. Everything they lack they can buy with gold or military tech

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You mean natural resources they can’t get because the technology is imported? Or the imploding motor industry because of lack of parts AND skyrocketing prices if internal logistics because of the lack of imports?
                Or do you mean the “friend for life” China who fucked off out of Russia because selling shit to the Americans is way better than selling it to Russia?
                Or Russia bleeding their Human Resources out of the country because anyone with two brain cells said fuck it, I don’t wanna be paid in useless rubles?
                moron stop browsing 4chan

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can't control what goods move between china and Russia. Sure, they aren't friends and chinks will fleece them, but they won't let them fall either. Everything you said are solvable problems l. The point is, russians won't starve, they won't get cold, they won't run out if electricity and fuel for the cars.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You literally can, they are already doing it?
                How will you solve all of those issues? They are already cold, a good chunk of Russian houses don’t even have gas. Seriously where do you get this cope from?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ask Russians if they have any problems with buying new smartphones or computer parts.
                Spoiler: they don't

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They are already cold, a good chunk of Russian houses don’t even have gas.
                Russia purposefully keeps ethnic parts of the country poor to have a readily available pool of expendable manpower on hand. See: who died in the current invasion

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                They inport food, they have natural resources they are unable to extract and transport without western machinery and everybody intelligent or talented ran away.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is a huge net exporter of food, western minig tech will sooner or later be replaced with domestic or Chinese one

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >autarky
            Only in regards to food and some heavy industry
            AFAIK, Russia can't make semiconductors, so if they were completely cut off from the outside world, they'd have to rely on the things they currently own and pray to Machine God that they don't break down, because they'd have to revert to vacuum tube technology

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They have domestic semiconductors, but quite far from the cutting edge.
              Let me put it this way: if you applied similar sanctions to Singapore or Taiwan, you would collapse them in a day. You just can't do it to russia

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >position as region power
          Their dreams of control over Europe are over, but they have already changed the course. Their anti west rhetoric falls on a very fertile ground, you just can isolate Russia in the current day. You'd have to destroy china first. It's pretty obvious they want to build a black of authoritarian countries like Iran + friendly countries in which anti western sentiment is strong. And there isn't really anything USA can do to stop it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has lost, but Putin has probably come out ahead unironically. The oligarch has been relegated to a bunch of nutless retards. Everyone that was opposition has been gulaged. The military hardliners have been brought under control. The FSB "traders" have been outed.

          If Putin was smart enough, he would cut his losses and keep the stranglehold over Russia. But according to ISW, he's gonna double down and push for a big offensive next year. He'll fuck up there.

          Also, I see a lot of cope posting already so I'm guessing Russia has some embarrassment coming out today.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So far Russia didn't lose anything valuable
        Well, you're not wrong.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        We went from
        >we will take Kyiv in three days
        to
        >if they keep even a square kilometer of land, they win

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yep, the goal were changed many times, but the facts are that Ukraine has already been economicaly and demographically devasted a d Russia has gained population along the way. if UA doesn't regaing ALL of it's lost territory, then they clearly lose

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russia already lost

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nope, they are untouchable and will cause serious problems in the west for decades to come. They have cut a communication cable in GB, where's the response? How did the west react to Iran disregarding sanctions and selling weapons to russia?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            thats not how war works, and thats also incorrect considering after russia loses (and they will) ukraine is going to be pumped so full of cash they're going to be unrecognizable in 10 years, while russia won't even exist

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, since the annexation of crime until now, Russia has gained 3-4 millions of new taxpayers. And they MAYBE lost 100k KIA and another 100k seriously wounded.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hilarious cope
                >WE MIGHT BE GETTING SLAUGHTERED BUT WE ARE GETTING NEW TAXPAYERS
                >Isn't the ruble worthless?
                >N-NO

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So, when will the holhams BEGIN trying to get back the Crimea?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never respond to these posts because I hate you fucking moron shills with a passion but this comment got me.

                Please explain in clear terms for a dumb HATO chud like myself how going from "We will take Kyiv in two days, Ukraine won't fight back, and the west won't do shit because they are weak and we will raise the eyebrow" to "Pfffftt silly HATO gay we only lost 100k of our trained troops and ammo to the point we are buying from Iran and NK. We also had to mobilize in order to stop being pushed out of the country and that hasn't worked yet. BUT we haven't been kicked out entirely yet so we are winning AHAHAHA RUSSIA STRONK" means you are winning?

                If I try and sleep with a woman (I know, I know, you're Russian so just pretend I said rape) and I don't fuck her and instead I jerk off I don't get to claim I really won because I still came.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because at the end of the day they are trading something worthless (prisoners, churkas) for something valuable (land, white humans)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >land
                That will be retaken
                >white humans
                That will die

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That will be retaken
                That remains to be seen, now doesn't? The tempo and cost of retaking western Kherson doesn't bode well for the UA

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russians retreating as we speak
                >It doesn't look good for oinkraine xaxaxax
                Lay off the krokodil, Vlad.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Value of ruble doesn't matter in a grand scheme of things. Their domestic population will suffer any kind of depredation without protest and the can trade gold and oil for everything they need to import.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying
                Ukies aren't garden gnomes, they don't have massive stockpiles of gold and garden gnomeelery.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So you're just going to assume everyone stayed in their homes when Russia invaded? Nobody fled to Western Ukraine or even other countries? And the ones who did stay are of course hard working citizens instead of old pensioners dependent on government assistance?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Some fled, but many more didn't. The invasion in the south was lightning fast, most people didn't manage to escape. The hardships of war and occupation will get rid of most of the pensioners

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're still being too optimistic. Before the war, Kherson Oblast had about 1 million people, Zaporizhzhia Oblast had 1.7 million. However, Russia doesn't control Zaporizhzhia itself (710k people), so at most, Russia added 2 million people. However this is an absolute maximum.
                The southern offensive might be "lightning fast" by military standards, it still took them 6 days to capture Kherson. That's enough time for people to pack shit and gtfo.
                Furthermore, according to Ukraine's population pyramid, 20.4% is less than 20 years old; 16.9% is more than 65 years old. Those people won't be adding too much to the economy.
                In the end, they would be extremely lucky if they added 1 million able-bodied workers in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Pensioners are ones most likely to stay. I won't be surprised if half or more of people who stayed on occupied territories are 65+ (no statistics, just feeling from personal observations)

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia has gained 3-4 millions of new taxpayers.

                lmfao. What the fuck does that matter when the oligarchs steal every loose ruble they can get their grimy hands on? You pathetic retard, demographically speaking, your country is a fucking tomb now. This war has irreversibly accelerated it into an inevitable future of rebellious ethnicities shrinking a withering central state down to nothing before it's overthrown for good. This is why the chechens are hanging back and making Tiktok videos instead of engaging...they're saving their ammo for you dumbasses.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, Russia has gained an infestation of Ukrainian 5th Columnists, lol.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if UA doesn't regaing ALL of it's lost territory, then they clearly lose.

            Russia officially considers the lands they've taken to be parts of their country. If they lose them it's going to be a domestic shit-show.

            Not to mention, there's no circumstances that has Ukraine taking almost pre-invasion borders, outside of NOOOOKs forcing the US to make them sue for peace.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia has gained population along the way.

            No, Russia has experienced a net loss of 900,000 civilians since the war began. The mobilization alone prompted an exodus of around 400,000. This is on top of an already existing demographic crisis.

            >Ukraine has already been economicaly and demographically devasted

            So basically, you're orcs. You rape and murder and pillage, and you call it "victory". Wasn't this about liberating Ukraine from the Kyiv regime? But now you're bragging about what a great job you did murdering civilians and ruining lives?

            >the goal were changed many times

            So each time you get defeated, you just change the goal, and call that a victory. But if your victory of holding a square kilometer of Ukraine comes at the cost of 60,000 Russian lives and half of your tank forces, is it really a victory?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        By that logic, Germany was winning WWII till early 1945

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, Germany was losing millions of valuable white humans. Russia is losing mostly asiatic animals

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I spent most of my adult life not believing the stuff Soviets were accused of. I used to think it was a white polity; it took a long time to understand that the Red Army was mostly non-white peasant trash.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not even remotely. Germany was winning until the end of 1941. After that it was continual fighting retreats and failed offensives. In Feb the Russian invasion was initially winning but that was reversed in a few weeks. If Russia had left it at that it would have been a defeat. The new offensive was winning up until a month go. While Ukraine was advancing and Russia retreating, Ukraine was winning. If Putin were to sign a treaty with Ukraine to end the war right now it would be a Russian victory.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Collapse your own economy and industry without ever being invaded.
        >Russia didn't lose anything valuable.
        What drugs are you on? And where can I buy them?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          1. Krokodil
          2. Do not buy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Usa hasnt lost a single war since ww2 since they ended with the same territory they had in the beginning.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yep, none of the expeditionary failures were significant defeats. You could maybe make a case for Vietnam.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So far Russia didn't lose anything valuable
        You cant lose anything valuable if you dont have anything valuable

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If guys in their twenties or thirties from Moscow and Petersburg start dying by the thousands, only then you can say Russia is taking significant losses

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember kids, Russians and Russiaboos do not consume copium. They prefer Flavor Aid.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      surely you mean AIDS, anon?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > NATO increased strength and unity, gained members
    > lose most elite military units and best equipment in Ukraine
    > World sees your military technology is actual garbage, stops buying your worthless shit
    > EU stops importing hydrocarbon energy from you, completely lost economic influence
    > lose political influence in much of the world
    > get sanctioned to hell and back
    > become an almost pariah state
    > hundreds of thousands of your own people try to flee your county to get out of the mobilization
    > Ukraine people are galvanized, will never accept Russian rule

    Russia already took a massive fucking L, no matter how the whole thing ends.

    And how it looks now Ukraine is even winning the actual shooting war. The only thing they would need to win decisively are proper modern western Tanks and other vehicles. Ship a few hundred Abrams over there and watch Russia get fucked.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Current state of Ukrainians:

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's no way they can win now, every day shifts the balance in Russia's favor and the Shaheeds were a real gamechanger.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly, no. By March 1st, 2022, Ukraine will just be another part of the mighty Russian Federation swallowed without a trace. Unless the Russians have completely drank away their brains with vodka, I can't see this conflict lasting even a couple of weeks.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know it doesn’t fit into your preferred propaganda reality so it feels bad but I’m going to educate you anyway. Most developed nations would be ruined by the same sanctions now on Russia. In the case of Russia those sanctions were greatly attenuated. The reason: the current power structure which had developed over the last few decades was all about grabbing the USSR’s hard currency accounts which were controlled by the KGB. After a long tough period of intense plotting, killing, stealing, money laundering, etc, Putin and his circle used that money to pave their way into getting into everything of value. All they cared about, aside from grabbing everything of value, was the giant hard currency gas (and others but gas takes center stage for Ukraine) trade. Instead of using those mineral land rent to develop other economies and build the required infrastructure—they used it to buy ultra yachts and palaces. So when sanctions hit, there wasn’t much to actually damage, like punching an empty plastic grocery bag. While current high prices for energy keep going that damage which they actually can’t accept mostly mitigated.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is a win for Ukraine? Russia has already taken so much land. Only if there was internal collapse in Russia could Ukraine ever regain those lost territories.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine's already won. It's just a matter now of Russia's realising this.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine will win. The correct question you intended to ask but are too lacking in knowledge to formulate is 'Can Russia still win?' and the answer is 'No Russia cannot win'. Not alone is Russia loosing it is being returned to the pre-industrial era of military and economic capability at a nice steady pace. A rapid victory by Ukraine might leave Russia in a position to rearm, recover and try again, the Ukrainians are killing Russia forever so it will never be a threat to them or the world again. Ukraine is a truly great nation.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine already HAS won.

    Russia is just delaying the fucking inevitable.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it still possible for Ukraine to win at this point ?
    Man, the pidorashkas are going all out with their bargaining today.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They need a powerful air defense to protect their infrastructure. If they can't protect it, Russia wins.

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