They aren't "just as good" however they are good enough for the vast majority of tasks to make buying anything more expensive a nice to have than a need to have.
Yeah the car analogy needs to die off, it's one of the worst cope I've heard. If they really want a spot on car analogy it's gotta be comparing it to a base model corolla and a specced out corolla.
I mean, all stock milspec triggers are pretty shit.
The Savage MSR-15 comes with a really nice trigger for an entry level AR, also a pretty decent MLOK rail. That’s the one I’d always recommend when I worked behind the gun counter.
All mil spec triggers are mil spec triggers. Light springs and the set screw grip screw fixes. All. Of. Them.
My AR-556 is at least a 1.5MOA gun, and that's my limit with not having a bench rest or scope, and only having fired 800 rounds in my entire life.
The ruger ar-15 just needs an H1 buffer for high power loads, the stock 3oz. is fine for everything else.
>it's fine for an entry AR
An ar15 is an ar15, i can shoot a ruger, psa, bca just as good as i can shoot cmmg, spikes, lmt or any other rifle. Just learn to shoot good and train for the types of failures that is typically ar15 related, pick whichever rifle you can afford RIGHT NOW then buy another one when you can afford that.
Aero was a bunch of vaxcucks that forced it onto their employees. Aero isn't even good either. Frick an aero lower just get BCM or PSA for a lower. He'll get an Anderson lower since lowers don't matter and there are only 4 forges making all of the lowers anyways
Yes. Its literally just a qc roll and more time wasted if you get a lemon. If risking having to send it back to get fixed is worth the savings then they are 100% just as good and coping gayglets who have never killed anyone can seethe
By far the best burger AK, and they seem to be continually improving. Unless you find a good deal on a commie bloc one I’d say they’re probably the best bang for your buck as far as AK’s go.
>By far the best burger AK, and they seem to be continually improving
To me this seems the biggest reason to go with PSA. They keep adding and expanding guns. First few gen are kind of bleh but they're going the Amazon method and pretty soon you will be able to get hundreds of decent guns from them.
I meant for any gun not just the ak but your point still stands. They can scale up further. Browse around any gun site and most are sold out except psa. They keep shoveling guns and parts out there. Get enough money and then start adding higher quality stuff. They already have some fn barrels stuff there and chf. Over time they'll spice it all up nicely. Not like any other company seems to be expanding and able to handle supply increases.
For your only rifle that you may have to defend your life with? Not my life, maybe yours. Only you can decide.
For a range toy or base for a project rifle? Sure.
Their premium line is pretty dope. Their freedom line is meh. QC check and use the rifle like you would like any other rifle before depending your life on it.
anybody got the bore camera video of their "premium just as good we buy FN" chromed barrels that has chattering in it? their qc is not good and it is not always apparent that something is wrong with their guns at inspection, these issues can croop up later. ive had bad experiences with every psa product I've bought and will no longer purchase anything from them
Their PA-10 is intentionally sold with incorrect gas tubes and buffer system.
JJE Holdings, which -is- PSA, owns DPMS now and all their patents/designs. They refuse to implement standard LM-308 DPMS spec and refuse to allow their also-subsidiary barrel/parts manufacturer to correctly build their "DPMS" LM308.
PSA is a pathetic bottom barrel company with pathetic management and they know exactly what they are doing.
I recently (mistakenly) bought one of their single stage triggers. It releases the hammer on trigger reset. And the hammer can release on it's own when the bolt goes back into battery.
So they sold me both an uncontrollable binary trigger and a trigger that runaway full auto's after the binary action.
PSA is junk and I learned my lesson the hard way instead of listening to everyone who already has.
Nope.
Go to 308AR.com and specifically the Palmetto section of the forum and you'll see. The spring needs to be replaced, the buffer needs to be replaced with a 5.4oz, and the gas tube needs to be replaced with a 15.5 inch real Armalite part.
PSA has known about this for over a decade and still not changed it.
Just as good is a meme and no its not just as good
Its not even the best bang for the buck
Its just poorgay shit for people who really don't care about defending themselves or their families
>SIG in poverty tier >no bushmaster or RRA listed
What tard made this list that thought to put shit like Barett and SLR but doesn't list some common brands.
I dunno why you're trying to flex on a shit bike that breaks often. Wait until you hit 10k miles, shit starts to break like normal. If I see a bike like that with that gay sticker at my shop, so gonna give that person shit.
Yes.
Just like every single AR15, when you get it, take it apart, inspect it, and function check it.
If everything looks good, oil the fricker down and go shoot it.
My goal is to spend as little as possible to get a functional rifle I can use to defend myself and have a bit of fun with at the range once a year. PSA is perfect for that. >Iinb4 but it's not operator tier!
You're not an operator, you're 35 and severely obese. Stop buying rifles and start saving for that quad bypass surgery. >inb4 ust get a <insert "veteran owned, made in America" company here>
I don't care what your favorite guntuber said on his sponsored video.
I like their upper build kits, you can get a full M4 style upper kit blem for $350 with lower parts kit as well and buy a stripped lower for $35-50 and you have a full rifle for $400. Add a rear sight and you are done.
Not even close, but for casuals it's goodnuff. If you want to learn to shoot quickly and accurately, bump up for a rifle that will grow with you, perform, and last.
>Just as good
I hate this term. Depending on how specific you want to be everything or nothing could be as good as anything else.
A better question to ask would be: >is it a good value?
And to that my answer is yes. Or, it was at 2019 prices. I have a PSAR, an old Colt AR I inherited from my dad, and an Aero AR15. The Colt has a nice broken in feel that neither of the others have, but the barrel is also pretty close to needing a replacement. The PSA feels a lot less smooth/more sharply recoiling than the other two. I probably just need to swap the buffer to a heavier one. All in all they're different flavors of the same soup, more alike than they are different.
Most companies are "gud enuff" these days for the parts. The AR15 design is old as frick and modern machining practices makes it easier to fabricate. And most companies dumped $$$ into updating/expanding their manufacturing lines to meet demand back in the Obama years.
Now, whether or not you get a competent person or a monkey assembling your rifle is a different thing...
No, its just about as cheap as you can get. My backup upper came in so far out of spec on the rear lug that I had to file it down to make if fit on the lower. You can do a lot better for not that much more money.
You americlaps don't realize how good you actually have it.
In Canada I had to pay 3-6 times the price for a gun that was less accurate, less reliable, and less ergonomic than an off the rack PSA AR-15.
Sure they'll have some lemons, but if you fire a few hundred rounds you'll be able to find out if it's a good one or not, and they have an excellent return policy.
In my opinion you'll get diminishing returns buying a higher end AR-15, better QC sure, but paying up to three times the price for a marginal increase in reliability and a slightly smaller group? When you consider the main failure point of any rifle is usually the user and the main loss of accuracy comes from the user it's hard to justify buying a upper over a few thousand rounds to practice with.
Bear Creek Arsenal has cheaper uppers that I think are better. The uppers also have a pretty easy guarantee where you can send it back to get it fixed if it's having issues, which I know some people have had to use.
Yes.
pic unrelated
They aren't "just as good" however they are good enough for the vast majority of tasks to make buying anything more expensive a nice to have than a need to have.
Gucci cope.
Yes unironically
my Kia gets to the traffic light just as fast as the Ferrari
Bad comparison, it's the same damn rifle, but one costs $1000 more and has better QC
both have 4 wheels and an engine
>now use them for their purpose and you will see the difference
As a daily driver, a Ferrari will require more frequent repairs and those repairs will cost significantly more.
but on the track it will run like ahhh ahhh Ferrari!
Yeah the car analogy needs to die off, it's one of the worst cope I've heard. If they really want a spot on car analogy it's gotta be comparing it to a base model corolla and a specced out corolla.
No.
But they are good enough.
No. Save up for a BCM. That will almost get you just as good and good enough.
>Buying blm
>Buying critirishit
No you Black person lovers it's sr15 upper and sr15 lower. Otherwise it's psa, m&p, or ruger mpr for poor gays.
Ruger sucks wiener
M&P or PSA
I have a ruger AR556, it's fine for an entry AR.
The trigger on mine sucks balls
Literally just get an M&P (get a PSA though)
I mean, all stock milspec triggers are pretty shit.
The Savage MSR-15 comes with a really nice trigger for an entry level AR, also a pretty decent MLOK rail. That’s the one I’d always recommend when I worked behind the gun counter.
All mil spec triggers are mil spec triggers. Light springs and the set screw grip screw fixes. All. Of. Them.
My AR-556 is at least a 1.5MOA gun, and that's my limit with not having a bench rest or scope, and only having fired 800 rounds in my entire life.
The ruger ar-15 just needs an H1 buffer for high power loads, the stock 3oz. is fine for everything else.
I Sturmly disagree with that remark
>it's fine for an entry AR
An ar15 is an ar15, i can shoot a ruger, psa, bca just as good as i can shoot cmmg, spikes, lmt or any other rifle. Just learn to shoot good and train for the types of failures that is typically ar15 related, pick whichever rifle you can afford RIGHT NOW then buy another one when you can afford that.
wrong
upgraded AR556 line ranges from good value to great value
>muh made up memes I need to cope about shit-tier KAC
>Blm is totally what sf use
>Blm is jus as gud
>REEEEEE STOP INSULTING MUH MILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION
>homosexual can't stop the copium posting
Kek, stay mad you didn't buy a BCM for 1/3rd the price for the same quality as KAC
>Jus as gud
>Surely blm man will take me right then and now on his harley if I defend his honor
>critirishit
I don't know what that means but it sounds like some reddit homosexualry
BCM upper + Aero lower
Simple as
Aero was a bunch of vaxcucks that forced it onto their employees. Aero isn't even good either. Frick an aero lower just get BCM or PSA for a lower. He'll get an Anderson lower since lowers don't matter and there are only 4 forges making all of the lowers anyways
wonder if employees can sue now that actual studies are coming out the vaccines lowers T-cell counts in future infections
Frick me I just found out about this after doing my first all aero build. Are there any companies that have been openly antivax?
"Only 4 forges"
LMAO been a minute since I heard this fuddery uttered.
I'm with ya
Lets call these mandatory vaxx companies out.
Bruh it's literally the same exact thing
Kacold copium is delicious.
its not "Just as Good"
it's "Good Enough"
FRICK YOU POVERTY STATE gayS
BCM IS THE WHITE MAN'S CHOICE!
GET A JOB LOSERS!
>Can't win against big KAC chads
>Has to go be a dick to psa gays trying to get by
I make more than you and I won't waste the add'l money on a BCM.
the IWI Zion is good
Yes. Its literally just a qc roll and more time wasted if you get a lemon. If risking having to send it back to get fixed is worth the savings then they are 100% just as good and coping gayglets who have never killed anyone can seethe
Any /k/ommandos have experience with the PSA AK?
It’s fine. Had to send back because they left one of the screws out when they put the stock on but turnaround was quick. For a $650 gun I’m not mad
650 when?
They have a model up for 600 right now online and I'm tempted to bite
At least a year ago, I’m a bit salty that they’re cheaper than when I bought mine
Labor Day sale; now's the time.
By far the best burger AK, and they seem to be continually improving. Unless you find a good deal on a commie bloc one I’d say they’re probably the best bang for your buck as far as AK’s go.
>By far the best burger AK, and they seem to be continually improving
To me this seems the biggest reason to go with PSA. They keep adding and expanding guns. First few gen are kind of bleh but they're going the Amazon method and pretty soon you will be able to get hundreds of decent guns from them.
PSA could learn a thing or two from WBP on metallurgy and other ways to optimize AK quality.
I meant for any gun not just the ak but your point still stands. They can scale up further. Browse around any gun site and most are sold out except psa. They keep shoveling guns and parts out there. Get enough money and then start adding higher quality stuff. They already have some fn barrels stuff there and chf. Over time they'll spice it all up nicely. Not like any other company seems to be expanding and able to handle supply increases.
If Kyle had had a psa he wouldn't have had a malfunction and killed another commie.
For your only rifle that you may have to defend your life with? Not my life, maybe yours. Only you can decide.
For a range toy or base for a project rifle? Sure.
Their premium line is pretty dope. Their freedom line is meh. QC check and use the rifle like you would like any other rifle before depending your life on it.
Thier great if you wait a few years after a new release. The first buyers are beta testers.
anybody got the bore camera video of their "premium just as good we buy FN" chromed barrels that has chattering in it? their qc is not good and it is not always apparent that something is wrong with their guns at inspection, these issues can croop up later. ive had bad experiences with every psa product I've bought and will no longer purchase anything from them
My FN barrel upper won't hit shit and it's going back tomorrow. Their cheaper ARs and dagger slides are g2g for me tho.
Their PA-10 is intentionally sold with incorrect gas tubes and buffer system.
JJE Holdings, which -is- PSA, owns DPMS now and all their patents/designs. They refuse to implement standard LM-308 DPMS spec and refuse to allow their also-subsidiary barrel/parts manufacturer to correctly build their "DPMS" LM308.
PSA is a pathetic bottom barrel company with pathetic management and they know exactly what they are doing.
I recently (mistakenly) bought one of their single stage triggers. It releases the hammer on trigger reset. And the hammer can release on it's own when the bolt goes back into battery.
So they sold me both an uncontrollable binary trigger and a trigger that runaway full auto's after the binary action.
PSA is junk and I learned my lesson the hard way instead of listening to everyone who already has.
that was gen 2 you fricking moron, their gen 3 pa-10 is fantastic, mine shoots moa
Nope.
Go to 308AR.com and specifically the Palmetto section of the forum and you'll see. The spring needs to be replaced, the buffer needs to be replaced with a 5.4oz, and the gas tube needs to be replaced with a 15.5 inch real Armalite part.
PSA has known about this for over a decade and still not changed it.
mine has never failed to cycle, had it for 6 months now and about 600 rounds through it, i dont give a frick what boomers are saying on arf
Yes.
t. owns Wilson Combat and SmithWesson and PSA.
I shoot my PSA the most with a binary trigger and it has had no problems
Just as good is a meme and no its not just as good
Its not even the best bang for the buck
Its just poorgay shit for people who really don't care about defending themselves or their families
Del-Tons are perfectly fine.
>SIG in poverty tier
>no bushmaster or RRA listed
What tard made this list that thought to put shit like Barett and SLR but doesn't list some common brands.
>
Bill Geiselle is shameless
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gf3-forged-classic-polymer-rifle-fde-no-cleaning-rod-5165450378.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=20220806&utm_term=morning&utm_content=5165450378#combo-deal
just fricking do it
Damn, pretty decent extras on that dagger, too.
I just want the AK in blonde or rose.
they got the ak103 with the side folder and the ported dagger on sale for $850 rn too
The maverick 88 will be the non-shit, king of the poorgays weapon of choice until the end of time, do NOT buy "cheap" ar-15's
Yup.
Nope, but it's good enough for you
I dunno why you're trying to flex on a shit bike that breaks often. Wait until you hit 10k miles, shit starts to break like normal. If I see a bike like that with that gay sticker at my shop, so gonna give that person shit.
Why would I take my bike with a 6 year warranty to some shitty pleb shop lel
For a gun you plan to use, Yea.
For a gun you plan to flex with, no.
This. It's not "just as good" but it's good enough.
Yes.
Just like every single AR15, when you get it, take it apart, inspect it, and function check it.
If everything looks good, oil the fricker down and go shoot it.
My goal is to spend as little as possible to get a functional rifle I can use to defend myself and have a bit of fun with at the range once a year. PSA is perfect for that.
>Iinb4 but it's not operator tier!
You're not an operator, you're 35 and severely obese. Stop buying rifles and start saving for that quad bypass surgery.
>inb4 ust get a <insert "veteran owned, made in America" company here>
I don't care what your favorite guntuber said on his sponsored video.
I like their upper build kits, you can get a full M4 style upper kit blem for $350 with lower parts kit as well and buy a stripped lower for $35-50 and you have a full rifle for $400. Add a rear sight and you are done.
Not even close, but for casuals it's goodnuff. If you want to learn to shoot quickly and accurately, bump up for a rifle that will grow with you, perform, and last.
>Just as good
I hate this term. Depending on how specific you want to be everything or nothing could be as good as anything else.
A better question to ask would be:
>is it a good value?
And to that my answer is yes. Or, it was at 2019 prices. I have a PSAR, an old Colt AR I inherited from my dad, and an Aero AR15. The Colt has a nice broken in feel that neither of the others have, but the barrel is also pretty close to needing a replacement. The PSA feels a lot less smooth/more sharply recoiling than the other two. I probably just need to swap the buffer to a heavier one. All in all they're different flavors of the same soup, more alike than they are different.
>he doesn't have one $10,000 rifle
literally incapable of defending yourself
Most companies are "gud enuff" these days for the parts. The AR15 design is old as frick and modern machining practices makes it easier to fabricate. And most companies dumped $$$ into updating/expanding their manufacturing lines to meet demand back in the Obama years.
Now, whether or not you get a competent person or a monkey assembling your rifle is a different thing...
nonono, just as good is not the same of good enought. psa is good enought
For the average shooter? Yes
For precision shooting, competition shooting, or comprehensive combat use, probably not
No, its just about as cheap as you can get. My backup upper came in so far out of spec on the rear lug that I had to file it down to make if fit on the lower. You can do a lot better for not that much more money.
it's good enough and that's all that matters
You americlaps don't realize how good you actually have it.
In Canada I had to pay 3-6 times the price for a gun that was less accurate, less reliable, and less ergonomic than an off the rack PSA AR-15.
Sure they'll have some lemons, but if you fire a few hundred rounds you'll be able to find out if it's a good one or not, and they have an excellent return policy.
In my opinion you'll get diminishing returns buying a higher end AR-15, better QC sure, but paying up to three times the price for a marginal increase in reliability and a slightly smaller group? When you consider the main failure point of any rifle is usually the user and the main loss of accuracy comes from the user it's hard to justify buying a upper over a few thousand rounds to practice with.
yea but yall can get sks's for like $200
SKSes pinned to 5 rounds, they went for around 500 last time I was there.
Bear Creek Arsenal has cheaper uppers that I think are better. The uppers also have a pretty easy guarantee where you can send it back to get it fixed if it's having issues, which I know some people have had to use.
nope, bear creek is ok and cheap but is american made but built by conseuala
I just want them to start pumping out ammo so we can add another player ammo production and also get some steelcase made in the states
It's good enough