Is it pretty much a done deal once the javelin targets and fires?

Is it pretty much a done deal once the javelin targets and fires? Is there anyway to evade a missile with a near vertical path? Would deploying IR smoke work? Make the jokes about me being a Russian tank driver quickly then let’s get to the topic at hand

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A vertical APS should be enough and probably easier than horizontal attacks. All APS in service don't work against top attack although they speak about "total coverage" iirc.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So vertical aps can protect against top attack but vertical aps doesn’t exist?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Supposedly Arena is also anti-Top Attack, big emphasis in the supposedly.
        Top attack kills weren't that common before Ukraine. And normal APS, except for Israel, is rare. In the same way, there're many possible ways to counter-APS but none in use because they're rare.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    With smoke It'd suffice. The only problem is that the IR seekers are passive so It's difficult to know you're being targeted. The best way would be having SHORAD vehicles and portable radars nearby to detect their launch and send a signal to the friendly vehicles to deploy smoke

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Doesnt the Javelin missle just commit to the last known location when it has lost visual? If it saw the target before the smoke and the target does not move it will still impact right? Then again if you deploy smoke it is probably a good time to get out of whereever you are, although the webm truck doesnt

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you were to move around without deploying smoke first you'd be 100% dead. With smoke deployed your chances of survival greatly increases

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesnt the Javelin missle just commit to the last known location when it has lost visual?
        According to grunts I know, no. Apparently this is a bit of a downside when using it near dense vegetation - if a tree canopy comes between the missile and it's target it'll lose lock. I don't think the missile has any onboard inertial navigation, so it just flies away on a ballistic path

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thats stupid and fixable it seems, from what i know SPIKE does have this feature

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It may have been fixed already, the stuff that gets fired in training is the very oldest stock so we're talking missiles manufactured in the 80s and 90s

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thats stupid and fixable it seems, from what i know SPIKE does have this feature

          He made that up. Never take third hand accounts about systems seriously. I’ve used javelins on targets near vegetation and never had any problems. That’s a second hand account. My secondhand account trumps his third hand account

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not making it up, but I'm not infantry and I've never fired one myself. The guy who had that experience could have just been unlucky, who knows

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You absolutely are making it up. No one who ever fired a javelin told that to you. The issue you raised has never been discussed because it’s never happened. The javelin is incredibly good at picking out its target. You are just another example of someone who seethes at American weapons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one seething right now, dude. Chill.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I’m always going to call out an obvious yet subtle shill

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Show me an article backing up the claim you made

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not him but im convined already

                https://eurasiantimes.com/us-anti-tank-missiles-are-misfiring-in-ukraine-javelin/

                To be fair even if the missle sucks you still have one hell of an optic with which you can spot targets +10 away.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yea that’s a blogpost only reported on by the Eurasian times (kek).
                >javelins range is only 2.5 instead of advertised 5km
                The javelins sent to Ukraine are 2.5 because they use the first gen CLU. The 5km range is for vehicle mounted or for use with the LWCLU that is being issued to the US. I’ll close with a video of a single UKranian soldier destroying 4 Russian armored vehicles in a row using the javelin. You can respond with a video of javelin missing it’s target

                https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1529913571156557824

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit. I can’t believe I haven’t seen this video before.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > a single UKranian soldier destroying 4 Russian armored vehicles in a row
                Tell me about being OP without telling OP

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It’s an incredible video. Can you show me a video of any other ATGM taking out that many vehicles in quick succession?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yea that’s a blogpost only reported on by the Eurasian times (kek).
                >javelins range is only 2.5 instead of advertised 5km
                The javelins sent to Ukraine are 2.5 because they use the first gen CLU. The 5km range is for vehicle mounted or for use with the LWCLU that is being issued to the US. I’ll close with a video of a single UKranian soldier destroying 4 Russian armored vehicles in a row using the javelin. You can respond with a video of javelin missing it’s target

                https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1529913571156557824

                >anonymous sources close to javelin
                >video evidence of javelin performing well
                hmmm which one should I believe

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Being fair, there is a failure rate on most weaponry around or above 1%. Or they could be fucking up user error style. Like, failures happen on missiles that are manufactured en mass with only thought of cost.
                Not unusual being honest.
                The copers are the people who can't handle their weapon system having a few misfires and fuck ups because they think their MIC is totally infallible. But realistically you would think a missile that's been in service this long would have a relatively low failure rate.

                If mass manufacturers that make cars have airbags which are mass manufactured to the millions
                >2004-2007 Honda Accord are at the highest risk of an airbag failure at 2.16 percent

                You say "how reliable" an I say "how much"

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It has a very low failure rate. One media outlet reporting anonymous sources close to the javelin isn’t relevant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No proofs vs an article = article wins anon

                >Posts another of his threads

                [...]

                This is a warriortard thread, I'm bailing fuck this shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mental illness

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are so easy to spot it's just stupid at this point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                anon you definitely have mental illness. The sky is falling every day for warriortard posters. Dude lives rent free in the minds of atleast 1 consistent poster

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Shill every day several threads a day for years
                >W-Why re y-you c-calling me out???!?1?!?!?1
                >Schizo1!1!!1

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you absolutely are a schizo. I’ve made maybe 4 threads in my entire life. All of them about military water treatment

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bruh I was literally just sharing an anecdote, I have no proof that this is an issue apart from "a dude who used it told me so". Not making empirical claims at all, no idea what's got people so buttblasted

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            at this point i belived you

            You absolutely are making it up. No one who ever fired a javelin told that to you. The issue you raised has never been discussed because it’s never happened. The javelin is incredibly good at picking out its target. You are just another example of someone who seethes at American weapons.

            here u lost me lol

            seems like american hardware is once again inferior to its more developed western counterparts, if you can call israel western

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >seething about america
              Right on cue.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Javelin has much better on paper and real world performance than the man portable spike. Reminder that spike-LR and spike-NLOS are vehicle/tripod mounted only.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                im just fucking with you

                to be fair each weapon system really just caters to its own niche, for the javelin it is modern russian tanks, for the spike its old russian tanks

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If it has camera it should have IMU at least to stabilize the image and make relative navigation possible.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >With smoke It'd suffice.
      Not really. Assuming that you somehow detect the launch of a Javelin the moment it fires AND deploy your smoke, it's already upon you before the smoke has time to bloom and cover the vehicle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Vehicles have to stand still
        >J-just because, OK
        The problem is that a passive seeker just not visible enough for most mobilised conscript troops to reliably react fast enough even if they spot it at launch, let alone near terminal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Vehicles have to stand still
        >J-just because, OK
        The problem is that a passive seeker just not visible enough for most mobilised conscript troops to reliably react fast enough even if they spot it at launch, let alone near terminal.

        Is the Javelin faster than the speed of light (radars)?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Let the tanks add "microwave beacons" so any basic anti-rad missile would one shot them.

          Radars aren't the solution for all.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Actively emitting in a warzone with a near peer
          Lmao

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >put expensive and fragile active radar on every tank
          >bullets and shrapnel fuck your radars
          >glow in the dark for ELINT

          What made you think this is a good idea?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    modern tanks just intercept the missile
    javalin has been obsolete for decades

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No modern tanks intercept top attack missiles.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You have to detected it first. It's a passive seeker with a low signature motor. Do you want to radiate radar waves 100% of the time in all azimuth and elevations above the horizon? Do you want staring IR sensors that trigger every time a tracer flies by your tank or you drive past something on fire?
    Those are your options for detection, pretty much. Then you could would have to be mobile enough to make sure you can both achieve concealment AND get to it. If you are in a Russian tank, you can accelerate forward or crawl backwards on your single reverse gear.
    Will moving forward get you to a better place or move you out of cover and into a worse situation?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Javelin has been the best performing man portable ATGM of the Ukraine war. If superior western designs want to be king they should have sent their designs to Ukraine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It really is good to be king

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