Is it possible to join the military if you have an autism diagnosis? I heard that if they find out at MEPS you will be charged with fraudulent enlistment and sent to prison. Is that true?
Is it possible to join the military if you have an autism diagnosis?
No, autistics need to be removed from society unironically, we don’t need any more Putins or Hitler’s or loser ex-mil terrorists
>Is it possible to join the military if you have an autism diagnosis?
Yes you can get it waived and then join.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AFROTC/comments/z1kq1z/dodmerb_waiver/
This will involve lengthy reviews out of your own time and wallet to see if you're high-functioning like the SpaceX CEO, or if you're /PrepHole/ or /adv/ levels of impaired.
>I heard that if they find out at MEPS you will be charged with fraudulent enlistment and sent to prison.
No one has gone to prison from MEPS. This is because you can't be brought up on UCMJ charges if you're still a civilian.
If they found out you hid shit when you're already at basic training, you'd be an Entry Level Separation at worst.
You can get an Autism diagnosis on active duty (after initial training, wait till you're fully qualified and passed your first performance report) and continue serving all the way to retirement only if you can perform well at your job.
https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2721387/airman-advocates-for-neurodiversity-in-military/
The only real way you would cop a Fraudulent Enlistment charge and go to prison would go like this example:
>You've already been in service for 5 years and you were just selected to deploy to the warzone.
>You say you can't deploy because you hid Autism from MEPS when you joined.
>Your peers and command are royally pissed off at your bullshit, and you go to prison. (1 year)
>Grown out
Doesn't happen
Asperger and adhd are life long problems.
Don't know about two other but those are can be caused by first two but are deffinitely separate thing.
Symptoms will deffinitely lessen.
People can grow out of ADHD. It's not common, but the percentage is in the double digits.
Apparently you have to get rediagnosed as an adult if you were as a kid because of this, but I hear it's more that people with mild cases learn cope to workaround it to the point they don't need meds
I've got it pretty bad and I'm functional. I just feel pretty fucking empty when I'm off work and I can't focus on doing anything. My coping mechanism is that I do perfectly fine if I'm ordered or somebody's relying on me doing something.
Exactly the same with me. I'm very efficent as long as there is some kind of structure I'm embedded into like a company, team, friends etc.
Medication helps a lot, although its still hard to do stuff "for myself".
Oh god, yes. Without external context I am rather aimless.
>Left army as sargeant.
I started with pills again after quitting as a teen, and honestly they're a godsend, I came to a point where I could not focus on fucking anything at all in life, like not even leisure. I can actually achieve things now.
It's not an option for me (on the record) since I'm a pilot. Thankfully it never came up for my medical since my parents got me off it in early HS
what pills?
This is me. I can't do anything and I have no drive at all.
If you grow out of aspergers you were misdiagnosed and never really had it. Ditto for ADHD, although its so frequently misdiagnosed I can see why people think that you grow out of it.
Anon, the reason it's a spectrum is that everyone's on it. The only people who'd be left are the catatonic.
>Anon, the reason it's a spectrum is that everyone's on it.
The reason it's a spectrum is because it ranges from "Has difficulty with complex social situations" to "cannot function in society".
There are a lot of autistic people in the military and military reserves. The question is just how autistic you are, and how functional you are.
For instance, they don't want any fucking Chris-Chans.
Good luck with that.
This is a glowie psyop to demonize people on the spectrum!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
The idea that Putin is autistic is absolutely retarded. By far the stupidest theory anyone has ever come up with about him.
Autists are awkward and naive, and completely lack the social skills that are needed to be an effective politician in a democracy, and they'd fare even less well in the extreme schizo backstabbing environment of a mafia-style dictatorship like Russia.
Hitler had an odd worldview that is common with autists, but he was also extremely charismatic and good at manipulating people, which is exactly what autists are bad at.
> No no, you just can't have any combination of character traits, ... because... you can't!
Autism comes in different flavors, but there are some traits that are essential to it, otherwise it would be a meaningless term.
And the traits that are essential to autism are traits that would make it impossible to survive in a backstabbing dictatorship.
Do you think it's impossible for an autist to learn to be good at social skills?
Yes. Even the smartest of them, like Elon, still can't hide it.
This, Putin like Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. That's as far from an autist that you can get.
In the stuff I have read its less that those on the spectrum suffer from an inability to understand, but more the understanding is far more machine-like. For example, what is known as Aspergers was for the longest time called Psychopathic Autism. Lot of the traits seen in psychopathy, namely the inability to fully comprehend emotions, but able to replicate them in an uncanny valley sense can be extremely useful in the political side of things as it creates an ability to mimic and control based upon reaction of the audience. The problem is that more those with Aspergers, it's extremely taxing mentally to do so with large groups.
This is also why the whole "Eyes of the Psychopath" is completely overblown. You are not seeing a "zOMG EVIL MAN IS HUNTING PREY!" but more a case example of someone entering a base or idle state mentally where they are trying to process what would be the best way to deal with a situation in order to produce positive results for themselves. When people see that it's extremely confusing because most have a bad habit of masking themselves with whatever emotion they were last using. This leads to uncanny valley situations where they might have weirdly psychotic eyes, but maintain a smirk.
As said previously, machine thought.
Now mind you, this is entirely just one end of the clusterfuck vomit that is ASD. You also have the likes of sociopaths, which are not the same as psychopaths, those with schizoid or schizotypal personality traits, and even those who enter complete dissociative fugue states. All of those have varying levels of fuckery, but in recent years, I have started to come to my own viewpoint regarding autism in general that would probably get me skinned alive by some of those in the psychiatry world.
Autism is literally just a genetic-form of PTSD. Not 100% on what exactly causes it, but it seems like some level of trauma is garnered within the womb or during the creation of the fetus which inherently-(1/2)
-causes some level of psychological scarring that ends up overwriting the modus operandi of the brain and it's connections.
What is actually stunning is that if you look at PTSD and Autism, you see a lot of correlations in stuff like drug habits.
>Spergs tend to put themselves on either downers or stimulants like tobacco.
>Veterans with combat related PTSD tend to go for the same.
>Medical tests have shown that ASD can be effectively negated with microdosing of Psilocybin, Ketamine, or LSD-25
>Recent studies have shown massive breakthroughs with trauma victims using the same chems.
The biggest problem right now, aside from the obvious issues with legality, is that most psychiatrist and psychologist will outright refuse to treat ASD as something that can be fixed with medical practices, but instead as something which can only be remedied by caring and understanding.
Coming from someone with ASD on the more psychopathic/schizoid line of things, that's a stupid road to take. You do not fix a broken gearbox by trying to accommodate the broken gear. You replace the broken parts so it hums and purrs again. Failure to do so will only lead to further damaging of other gears in the box.
For any anon out there suffering, break free from the therapy crap. Aim to fix the issues. Same goes for those suffering with PTSD.
>autism causes by pre birth trauma
Fair assessment I kind of agree.
I have a ton of trauma symptoms but I cannot remember anything causing it specifically
lmao
who is going to remove me anon? you?
>lmao
>who is going to remove me anon? you?
Lol,
reminds me of the history teacher from Ondskan:
(at 19m02s)
>How do we act on this knowledge? Anyone?
>*silence* *crickets*
Everybody lies at MEPS. Actually wanting to join the military for this corrupt soon to be third world shithole is the biggest sign that you're a mental defective.
>Actually wanting to join the military for this corrupt soon to be third world shithole is the biggest sign that you're a mental defective.
I work on an AFB as a civvy contrctor and you have no idea how true this is, and I think the F is a good deal better for intelligence than the other services, I can't imagine how bad it must be there.
I'm not sure but I kind remember reading that the army actually has the highest measured intelligence and level of education of average. Obviously the Pilots and command officers need to be(are supposed to be) intelligent people, but the vast bulk of the AF is wrenchers, truckers, office workers and supply officers. For every 135 IQ 20/10 vision, hunter eyed pilot there are like 200 support personnel, and a lot of them can be retards. I knew a bunch of AF guys and a large number of them were tarded, A family friend both father and son were pilots though and they were super sharp, were meaning they moved and I haven't talked to them in years, not were past tense cus ded.
By comparison a lot more of the army is pointy end and the modern army is all about winning by maneuver and coordination, rather than assault and "Violence of action" like the crayon eaters. You don't see TV shows about the army cus the army's war plan is methodical slow and boring to watch, but absurdly effective.
I don't think it will, if you're up front with it from the start with your recruiter. As long as it wouldn't affect your duties while serving. With the recruiting shortage, they may be a little more forgiving with minor things that normally disqualify you. You may be able to get a waiver, and the sign-off from the XO/CO or whatever the equivalent is in your branch of choice. As long as you're not a total sperg, you should be fine.
Autistic people have a choice that few others have. You can go the full autist route, really play it up, answer the maximum sperg responses when they give you the ASD questionnaire, and then claim disability gibs and get a free life of playing pirated games all day every day until you die. Or, you can suppress it, go full masking mode, pretend you're just awkward when people get creeped out by you, and try to do whatever job you think you can do.
The choice is yours, but you have to commit to it. You won't get the gibs if you have a stable employment record, and you won't get a job if you have a record of full blown autism.
>You can go the full autist route, really play it up, answer the maximum sperg responses when they give you the ASD questionnaire, and then claim disability gibs and get a free life of playing pirated games all day every day until you die.
Hold it right there. The DoD and VA do not give disability gibs for Neurodevelopmental Disorders whatsoever. Autism is under that category. They also don't give gibs for ~~*Personality Disorders*~~ either, because they blame those disorders on the person's life before they entered the military even if they joined with a clean bill of mental health.
The only way you would get DoD/VA gibs is if you have a qualifying service-connected diagnosis superimposed over the Autism, like Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, or Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, for example.
Nobody said anything about getting the gibs from the DoD. I'm not sure how it works in the US, but in Europe and Aus/NZ, the government will provide a disability pension for people who are mentally disabled and can prove it with evidence from doctors.
There's a difference between being 'on the spectrum' and 'mentally disabled'. Mentally disabled means you're unable to care for yourself without supervision, like you can't do the math to handle your own finances and feed yourself.
I'm on the spectrum, but it translates to I can't read emotion in people and I annoy the shit out of them. But I can still work a job. I annoy the shit out of people while I do so but I get a paycheck and I can pay rent.
Your anxiety would be a seperate problem, I have aspergers and don't have that issue. I mean I get anxiety in certain social scenarios, but that just means I'm an introvert and I don't go out for parties.
Extreme anxiety can be it's own thing though, so yeah check into that. I also had a lot more help growing up going to special classes in middle school and high-school, mostly checking in with advisors and them doing tests on me. At first they thought I was just plain stupid until they saw me ace tests in a one on one circumstance, which is when they realized my problem wasn't information absorption or comprehension but socialization. They tried putting me on a pill too in high-school and I didn't notice any differences, the pharma industry wants to put you on a pill for everything. Personally I find most of it just being aware of how I think and how that's different from other people think. Nowadays nobody can tell I have aspergers unless I tell them.
the usual Pro Gamer Move is to blame it on tinnitus. they can't prove you didn't get it from being around heavy machinery in the military rather than going to to many rock concerts or playing too much CoD with ill-fitting headphones
>the usual Pro Gamer Move is to blame it on tinnitus.
Mere tinnitus just gets you 10% disability at best. Just some beer money ($165.92) every month, you won't be entering turboNEET or passport bro status on 10% alone.
> dad's 140% disabled because lol airborne
> he's getting 46k from that plus ~60k from his 20yr retirement plus like 150k from his contractor job
goddamn
> dad's 140% disabled because lol airborne
> he's getting 46k from that plus ~60k from his 20yr retirement plus like 150k from his contractor job
>goddamn
Wow. Recrooters in this thread need to take note: The zoomers who don't join the military because
>"People in the military only make $12,000 a year! I can make more money flipping burgers at In-N-Out!, lel!"
need to see more direct information.
Not:
>Please join the U.S. Army, we'll give you skills and a sense of duty and loyalty.
but instead:
>We'll medically retire you at age 19 and then you can be a turboNEET and own your own home, or a passportbro at age 20. If want more money you can still use your TS/SCI and make an extra $200,000/yr as a digital nomad for Lockheed Shartin', teleworking 1 day a week. Set for life bro! Can't get that from flipping burgers!
I got diagnosed asbergers, can't graduate uni because of anxiety, spent most of my life not working. I barely have employment history and my extreme anxiety is the main reason I can't do much. Should I just go get a disability? Life is genuinely difficult, and I've done therapy but they do a watered down CBT one size fits all and give me uttelry nothing of value. Like if they had like classes and mock social encounters that would be useful. They seem to have nothing for you.
Reading between the lines the prospects are "you're shit out of luck" and the therapy is to just make you like your shitty situation without complaining.
If I had better parents, I coudl likely have done better. Caught it earlier, found better therapy. But I was allowed to fester and isolate for majority of my life and now I'm an adult but live like a 14 year old.
Anon I’ve got a pretty bad anxiety disorder thanks to my military service. I’m in college at 32 years old. You can have a future, just learn a few languages, get some certs and you can find a job.
>just learn a few languages
Seriously?
Python, C, C++
Don’t learn Java we have Indians for that
You left it ambiguous as to whether you meant programming or spoken languages.
PHONEPOSTER SCUM
Anon, you post here. I feel kinship with you autists.
Please don’t give up on your life.
Be an social shut in webdev.
Machine translation has picked up some of the slack, but human translators are still needed.
Becoming fluent in a language can also net a whole new mode of thinking, so I'd say it's worth it.
Learning a new language after 30 is impossible.
Nonsense.
You have to start early. Kids who learn a 2nd language at a young age find it easier to learn more languages. But people who've only learned one their native language cannot learn a 2nd one, past a certain age.
Surely everyone learns at least one foreign language in school?
Not in english countries. We get french or spanish classes, but it's nowhere near intensive enough to stick. All I remember about french is jem appel Anon.
Quitter cope
Complete bullshit.
You can try. It's a one chance thing, though. You get it or you don't and can't try again. Make sure you've got a psychologist backing you up and prepare to fill out many pages of details about yourself, assets, living conditions and such. Collect any and all documents about your condition. Leave your pride at the door and honestly say that you're worthless, your condition is debilitating and you're a drain on your parents.
>Leave your pride at the door and honestly say that you're worthless, your condition is debilitating and you're a drain on your parents.
but none of that is a lie though! I'm a complete utter spaz and can't integrate into normal society at all.
My big issue is that I have no drive/interst in things I'm not interested in. So I'll hyper fixate on my niche interests (like 16 hours a day) but neglect everything else, like all the boring stuff that you need to do to live. I didn't do my taxes for like 10 years for this reason.
If you already have a psycologist that you have to see for your meds or whatever, then half the work is done. You need to consult with them the next time you visit about the viability of a disability claim.
>If you already have a psycologist that you have to see for your meds or whatever, then half the work is done. You need to consult with them the next time you visit about the viability of a disability claim.
10 years ago a psychiatrist gave me an autism diagnosis, and I've been bouncing around therapists forever. He put me at 4 on the 8 for difficulties scale, but didn't rec disability. Therapists are utterly worthless, as they just criticize you for any negative thought, and feed bullshit happy spin. I'm genuinely miserable, and had tons of goals I'd love to achieve, have achieved none of them, but I'm supposed to enjoy it? Utter total waste of my time.
This is incorrect, if you initially get rejected, you can appeal it to a judge. Which is what I had to do, but he's right where you need to have it as documented as possible throughout your life, proof you're you can't keep a job and are a general fuck up. Either way, you'll want to look up a Social Security Attorney's office to help you. The good news is any decent office only gets paid if you actually win your case and get disability and it's normally just a cut of what your current earnings from SSDI would have been since any money you get is retroactive to when you first apply.
But keep in mind it's still insanely hard to claim disability since Trump took a baseball bat to the SSA and Biden's been too lazy or too incompetent to fix it.
I should also add that the big prize for successfully applying for disability is that you're instantly eligible for Medicare even if you aren't 65.
I'll even vote for a gun grabber now if their opponent says they want to 'reform' Medicare.
It's that good a system and has saved me hundreds of thousands of dollars in treatments and meds.
I am like you except I pushed through and got a job which I dont want to leave due to anxiety of going through all of that bullshit again, but outside of that I also live like a 14 year old
94% ASVAB when I was fourteen.
I stealthed in back in 97 and barely made it through basic without sperging out at a drill sergeant. Got in a bunch of fights but didn't get kicked out. Learned everything there is to know about the Bradley a TS clearance could get me. Still dream about the wiring diagrams.
Are those colors the stream of consciousness/fiber optic "data stream"? Would make sense why they're literally spastics if so
Its required for most Intel fields.
"autistic" is just a word used by the lazy to describe the dedicated
If you have no self respect then you can tell them you're trans and the doctor misdiagnosed you because he was transphobic. They're not allowed to question it so it's an easy way in.
hide the autist's in logistics
they can make sure all the supply's are arranged in a logically consistent way (that only makes sense to them)
Can I join if I have previously been admitted to a mental hospital for trying to kms? Is there a certain time frame from the time I got looney-binned required to join? Serious question
Yeah. You checked in, checked out, got better. It's a closed book.
For the most part, the military prefers people with narrow yet stable personalities, stupid dog-like loyality ("patriotism"), static political believes aligned with their country's narrative who just follow orders
They'll find out when you fail penis inspection then black bag you to hook your mind up to the noosphere device.
Why would you want to join the military?
Cringe retard
Possible I think. Though I think they'll decide you're better off for behind the lines stuff.
I have aspergers myself, so I looked into it when it was time to register for selective service. It doesn't disqualify you, but I've definitely had military recruiters immediately lose interest when I bring it up (I wasn't trying to join up, so it was more they probably figured they weren't gonna convince me and move on to greener pastures cause guys like me are know-it-alls).
I think the concern is the thought process at least for aspies is different. In the army you have to do what your told even if it doesn't make sense because commanders don't have time to explain every decision. Hence an aspergers guy like me who backtalks and critiques every decision if it doesn't make sense to me is gonna be a giant pain in the ass to deal with, and probably cost more effort in getting through boot camp than your average joe blow.
But I think if you want to enlist, and you're going in with the idea that you want to serve, I figure they'll probably let you no problem.
Half of all pilots and 90% of Intel are autistic.
>spooks are sperg
Now there's a big surprise.
military is made for aspergers/high functioning ASD
>orders, you are told exactly what to do, when to do
>complete and detailed instructions for almost anything
>marching in perfect unison during parade, really tickles that tism
>want to read a 150+ page dossier on some literal who in a village in islamastan? here you go
>when adrenaline hits, you're too fucking aspie to freak out and become a peak operator who fears nothing
if you can mask enough during MEPS, you'll out rank everone in your class.
Evidently Israel uses autists to look over satellite and air recon photos.