Or if not, at least to what extent. How else are we supposed to live in a better world without fake products and hostility if we are not willing to make the difference. Obviously it would be better if all societies were inclined on this way of living(with modern technology of course) but how can you convice people of it when you can't provide an example yourself, so...
I guess it depends what you mean by self-sufficient. In the widest sense, humans were always tribal and therefore never self sufficient, so there's that. Now, you can arguably become more self sufficient than ever simply because of a more complex economy. The best example of this is probably the FIRE movement where you can set yourself up with all of your bases covered without doing unwanted labor.
>without doing unwanted labor
My idea is to utilize the land we live in.
>My idea is to utilize the land we live in.
"Utilize" meaning farming of some sort? I guess my first question is "why"? It's been show that it's not necessary for you to do so. If you like doing gardening, all the more power to you, but otherwise I think it's a poor use of your time.
>but otherwise I think it's a poor use of your time.
Why do you think so?
Talking strictly in a monetary sense, it's economies of scale. I can buy a bag of carrots, say, at the store for a dollar or 2. Even if I only value my time at a very low $10 an hour, that's at most a fifth of an hour to get those carrots. Compare that with the time, money and effort of growing them, you'll see if it makes sense for you.
Bottom line: we all have only so many hours/days/years in our life and we have to choose where to put those very precious hours. Where do you want your time to go? Personally, I would not want to put effort into growing carrots, which is my point.
As an aside, based on your response, I strongly recommend you looking into the ideas behind the FIRE movement, it'll make you take pause and see new possibilities.
so doing what youre supposed to do is a movement now?
Again, I strongly recommend doing some reading on the details rather than me rehashing it all here
>where to put those very precious hours
Anything the person wants. The freedom of choice is an integral piece of the idea
Okay but what about the hordes who won't care about your freedom?
Remember that no one else really cares about your freedom other than you. You are given choices in life and so investigate and make the best choice you can.
So what are you going to do when the new majority doesn't like you? What freedom are you going to have? I really don't understand your way of thinking.
"new majority", "hordes", you're talking in gibberish, my friend
With an income stream, you can escape the workaday world. Simple as
>you're talking in gibberish
If you're a White American, how would you feel safe when the majority of people are non-whites who have been told from young age that you're responsible for all their suffering and hate you as much they can.
That's not related to early retirement. But, more generally, I will say that the oligarchs use race to divide the working class, so don't fall for it. No war but class war.
>That's not related to early retirement
Yes it is. Are you going to explain how you're going to survive or not?
>No war but class war.
What race are the bankers?
>Are you going to explain how you're going to survive or not?
I very much suspected that you'd start shitposting and here we are. But since I'm bored, I'll answer anyway. For survival, my investments will pay my bills. That's it, end of story
I realize that you are now ready to trot your favorite conspiracy theory out but honestly, save us all the effort. My thought is this: Trying to predict what society will be like in many decades is not only useless but actually counterproductive. It just distracts people from the most important thing: focusing on what they can control and take action on today. So, word to the wise, work on your own efforts in the "right now", try your best to hit your goals and leave the rest to the future.
>", try your best to hit your goals and leave the rest to the future.
My goal is to live in a peaceful world. How can I do that?
Don't worry about "the world". Focus on your life. Take some time and figure out how *you* can make *your life* peaceful.
I live around other people so I can't just focus on myself.
Oh, ok, well I guess because you "live around other people" you should just totally give up on your goals... lol
So how do I begin to live in a better world? I want detailed instructions.
No, no, I can see now that you're right. No one in history that has ever "lived around other people" has ever, ever had a peaceful life. There's certainly zero examples of it anywhere in recorded history for you to base your actions on and even more far-fetched, there's no magical way of instantly searching across a well-documented encyclopedic history of people's experience to find these examples.
No, it seems that you're totally fucked and your dream is impossible and hopeless and will be forever and ever.
If living around other people isn't good for you, why don't you move somewhere that there's no other people?
>but I don't have money
Why won't you get a job?
>but job doesn't pay good enough
Get a better job. Yeah, it won't be tomorrow, or next year. But in 10 years you'd be able to move. Why don't you take charge of your own life?
Make a plan. Follow through with it.
>But in 10 years you'd be able to move.
To somewhere with no people
Yeah but if they enact a world government and decide to come for you?
Assuming they come for you, which why would they. Keep your head down and dont draw attention, and you wont become an example.
But assuming they come for you. You subvert their attempt to make an example of you by going out in a blaze of glory. What that does is turn you into an example of their incompetence and tyranny. Your blood will water the tree of liberty, so that one day other will be able to live as you wished to live.
Think ruby ridge. They tried to go in hard and make an example out of them, ended up tarnishing the reputation of the involved agencies and they have literally never recoveres.
So either way you lose.
If you refuse to do things out of a fear of everything going wrong, then you'll never do anything. Losing is part of life. Just like people can do jackshit and still win, you can do everything right and lose. If you can't understand that, then you're alive just because your heart happens to be beating, not because you truly live.
Do things right and win. Do things right and lose. What's the point of being afraid of a world government coming for you if you'll have an aneurysm before that? The Rothschild Foundation might never show up to persecute you if you suffer a heart attack. Ever stopped to think about that?
>immortalized as a symbol of freedom
Anon... death is not losing. Everyone dies, winners and losers. What matters is how you lived, and how you died.
>10 more years
Yes absolutely. Its actually easier to be self sufficient in the modern world than it was in days gone by.
...do you want a point by point breakdown?
It depends on many different factors, remember the first step to self sufficiency is not being fucking spoonfed.
>...do you want a point by point breakdown?
>is not being fucking spoonfed
You're supposed to learn the skill first...
Specifically regarding spoonfeeding? Doing IS learning. Go do some research.
How should I do it?
dude... nothing is self sufficent... we all rely on things around us, we are all part of the universe man, the sun makes the plants that you eat, nothing is truely alone
>able to maintain oneself or itself without outside aid : capable of providing for one's own needs
Dont just assume the meaning of words
Totally possible. But you probably don't understand what self-sufficient means. I don't mean this as an insult, btw. There is no definitive manual on how to be self-sufficient, there are some points everyone agrees upon, of course, but in the end you're supposed to live your life, not a meme. You'll see what others are doing, see what you like, what you don't, what makes sense, what you think it's stupid, that's how you're supposed to live your life.
You're tired of fake products, whatever that means, great. Why aren't you making your own soap then? Your own food?
Ideology in the end plays second fiddle to practicality. You can talk all you want about self-sufficiency, but if you don't know how to do it already then maybe you'll never will.
People who actually get shit done don't talk about getting shit done, they go and do it.
The first thing you need to except is that you need other people. If you want to live by yourself, you will have to prioritize your time. Most of that will go into taking care of crops, chickens, and water. If you have your own well with a manual pump, that’s great. I’m not sure how disconnected from society you want to be, but you really don’t need soap. Shower, clean your clothes, and wash your dishes in water. Preferably very hot water for the later two. You also don’t need electricity or any plumbing. Just dig a hole in the ground you you have a toilet. Make sure your house has good insulation, get a wood stove, and learn how to butcher your chicken. Some of the best crops to grow are potatoes, corn, and beans. Don’t plan on having any car, phone, or anything at all that you cost money over time. The only thing you want to spend a dime on is property tax. This is because you won’t have any income in you are alone, just tending to your farm to survive. You could probably sell a little surplus, but that won’t get you much money and you’ll want to stockpile all you can for each winter.
has a homesteading general. If you are committed to this, I highly recommend living in an intentional community first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intentional_communities This will show you the value of having people around and also get your feet wet in terms of gardening for sustenance.
Communism is not an argument
it never has been. even cavemen lived in tribes
No, unless you hermit deep into the woods you will always owe the taxman. And even then someone or something will eventually find you