Is it any good? It looks just like a Stryker dragoon with more weak points and a weaker cannon

Is it any good? It looks just like a Stryker dragoon with more weak points and a weaker cannon

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >UAF budget is 1% of the US annual budget
    >their shit isn't as nice
    incredible!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What are its weak points and what can we do to cover them up?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > What are its weak points
      The giant windows
      > what can we do to cover them up?
      Literally cover them up and use modern technology to look outside. Have you never heard of 360 degree situational awareness system?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they were working on it but invasion happened

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's actually funny how they turned BTR-60 into Fuchs clone, and then further into BTR-4MV1, which is conventional modern APC.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's actually funny how they turned BTR-60 into Fuchs clone

            You mean Luchs (Lynx). Fuchs (Fox) has 6 wheels.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Luchs looks nothing like BTR-4.
              BTR-4 is Fuchs with extra pair of wheels.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/uqbp4fc.jpg

          It's actually funny how they turned BTR-60 into Fuchs clone, and then further into BTR-4MV1, which is conventional modern APC.

          It's battle tested design by this point. It is Kherson now
          https://mil.in.ua/uk/articles/hronika-boyiv-btr-4mv1-u-hodi-zvilnennya-harkivshhyny/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nice

            The problem with the BTR-4 is it can still fundamentally trace it's lineage to the Soviet BTR series which started in the late 50s. That's why the Ukrainian military rejected the BTR-4MV1 a few years ago. Handling and off-road performance was just inadequate.

            I guess the upgrades have taken their toll on the old BTR chassis

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The problem with the BTR-4 is it can still fundamentally trace it's lineage to the Soviet BTR series which started in the late 50s. That's why the Ukrainian military rejected the BTR-4MV1 a few years ago. Handling and off-road performance was just inadequate.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The giant windows
        it's not like the hull is substantially stronger

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes the hull is substantially stronger.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            anything above 50 cal will turn it into swiss cheese so what difference does it make

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Strikers are rated frontally to withstand 30mm. There’s a reason most armored vehicles don’t have fuckhuge windows on them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Strikers only withstand 30mm with add on armour.
                Without it, it's only rated vs 50 cal from the front and 7.62mm from the sides.
                The armored glass windows can be covered by those plates you see hanging in front of them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure they can be covered but they don’t have the situational awareness of the Stryker without the windows

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally cover them up

        You mean like with pic relevant?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I’m sure when you’re driving down the road these will not be covered. Kind of stupid to think they would be. It’s be good for buttoning up and going hull down in the defensive but it’s not feasible to cover the windshield and try to drive around. Could you? Sure the VC could guide the driver or a small periscope could be installed but it’s impractical

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          south african ratel also has those but you rarely see them up

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            here was one that used them

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Where and when did Ratels see combat?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                that was from yemen, supplied by jordan to anti-houthi forces

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Overall? I mean the South African Border War they were used a ton.

                https://i.imgur.com/AZZbnua.jpg

                south african ratel also has those but you rarely see them up

                In combat they are up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wut? That's the entry hatch for the engine gnomes.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's good enough for it's price
    but personally it's my favorite bangbus of this war, i have a strong emotions to this cute fucker after mariupol footage

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was a full on polfag until Azov dabbed on vatmorons in mariupol.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I still jizz to that video where its 30mm shred the Russians in Mariupol. With them hiding behin BMP2 but rounds go thru BMP2 and or under tracks hitting them in shins. 30mm vs shins

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you forgot the video they took at a bit of a distance and ammo racked a T72 under his side skirts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You like making shit up, do you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They literally did ammo rack a T-series during a raid though, part of the footage released from Mariupol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No they didn't. You'd have to be an idiot to believe that.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not that anon but yes they did. I don't think the tank was moving. The video was thermal footage of a Ukrainian raid on a Russian position, it unloaded into the rear-side of a T-72. I don't have it but some other anon might.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They didn't, they ruptured the fuel tanks and ignited the fuel on the outside of the hull, then fucking noguns gays like you claim a 30mm ammo racked a fucking tank.
                It's not even an excuse to be ignorant, since in every god damn thread about that incident, people pointed out exactly what happened.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Proof?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pic related is the T-72 fuel system

                ?t=197
                Video is the live fire trials of Strv103, timestamp is where the external fuel tank is hit. The tank itself is not damaged

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >weaker cannon
    If that's a 30 mm, it's pretty strong for a vehicle like that.
    Hell, the 14.5x114 MG in some BTRs can be quite effective against anything that isn't an MBT or a heavy IFV.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For a 30mm it’s weak is what I mean. At that point it would make sense to jump down to 25mm to increase the amount of rounds that can be stored.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >For a 30mm it’s weak is what I mean
        it was and is knocking out Russian tanks so it's as strong as it needs to be. Hell weren't there multiple video clips of some Ukrainian nutjobs taking on multiple tanks and coming out on top

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's video from Mariupol where it ambushes two tanks and pounds them. Vatniks claimed that black smoke that came out of those tanks were merely smoke cover released by tanks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why is this a novel idea to you? Tank side armor is notoriously weak.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think the fascination more comes from a basically aluminum wrapped truck weak to anything more than HMG fire taking on MBTs and IFVs in a city that was under siege for months.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Makes sense. Guess they're just using what they've got.

        14.5mm protection has been the minimum protection level for every western IFV since the Marder, and even the M113A3 has that level of protection (on the front).
        STANAG 4 is not hard to achieve.

        Yeah, said "heavy" IFV because Russian deathtraps don't qualify but they're called IFVs anyway.
        At this point I'm starting to suspect they explode if bonked with an empty NLAW tube.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      14.5mm protection has been the minimum protection level for every western IFV since the Marder, and even the M113A3 has that level of protection (on the front).
      STANAG 4 is not hard to achieve.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did ok. Plenty of POM goodness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It always bothers me that the reticle doesn't seem to correlate to where the rounds are going.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, that's how it works in real life, if your vehicle doesn't have modern FCS just adjust your point of aim until you get impacts in the right area

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vehicle autocannons usually isn't standard zeroed to 50m.
        It's quicker to adjust visualy than to adjust zeroing unless the system has automatic laser rangefinder adjusted ranging.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That’s why modern systems have rangefinders and a FCS. Everything you shoot at should be in the crosshairs. An FCS isn’t zeroed to a particular range.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's what i just said, but okay...

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No you said that autocannons aren’t typically zeroed to 50m. You implies that modern Cannons need to be zeroed for a specific range when in actuality you just point the crosshairs at what you want to hit, get it’s range, and the computer automatically makes the fine adjustments so you can aim with the crosshairs at any range. The btr-4 doesn’t seem to have that or atleast the gunner wasn’t using it in the videos

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And what do you think i meant with the use of the word "system" in my post if not FCS?
                >You implies that modern Cannons need to be zeroed for a specific range
                The canon mount offset to the optic in terms of elevation and parallax is what i am talking about, whatever else you read into it is on you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking LMAO. I didn’t read past the 50m zero bit. It does seem that I said the same thing you did

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good enough to stop the Kharkiv offensive

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Stryker dragoon with more weak points and a weaker cannon
    Aldo costs less than 1/4th of dragoon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yea the FCS in the dragoon is much more advanced. It’s worth it if you have the money

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IF, many countries don't have such money and when you have tighter budget having 100 okay IFVs is better than having 25 excellent IFVs, or god forbid, trying to buy something from G*rmans

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dude. Patria exists. There is not a single country on this earth that cannot afford to have a bespoke IFV fleet of the exact right size and proportion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Patria
            >only sold in Europe and South Africa
            Under everyone you mean rich countries without their own IFV program?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What kind of battle network system do Patria IFVs operate?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dragoon also has 3rd gen FLIR, a true 30mm autocannon (not Russian 30mm) spall liners everywhere, commander's optics, and a whole lot more.
      the ICV version is also getting a Javelin

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many of the these things do the ukies have left? I havent seen very many of them recently.
    >I presume the production line is closed.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Weak points or not, having side doors is probably enormously convenient compared to how you'd enter a Stryker.

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