Is it a bad idea to get a revolver in an autoloader cartridge?

Is it a bad idea to get a revolver in an autoloader cartridge? I want to get a S&W 610 because I like revolvers, but I also like 10mm.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do you like clicking rounds into a moon clip?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you like moon clips? Do you reload?

      I've tried moon clips before found this brand to be pretty straightforward to use, no tools needed

      https://www.ezmoonclip.com/

      >Do you reload?
      Sometimes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://www.ezmoonclip.com/
        Worth visiting, if only for the comfy website.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No but its a bad idea to get a non SAA version because of

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you like moon clips? Do you reload?

      You don't have to use moon clips in a 610 of shooting 610. Ejecting casings is slow though. You must use clips when shooting .40S&W.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >when shooting 10mm, I mean.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you like moon clips? Do you reload?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's no advantage and a noticeable few disadvantages on loadings. But if you're already set up for a particular caliber, and don't want to put time/money into a new one it's understandable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The N frame can be fitted with 44 Magnum, why 10mm which has a dearth of appropriate bullets to take advantage of the cylinder length?
    Yes, auto cartridges are awful in revolvers. Lose/lose, losing velocity from the B/C gap and unable to take advantage of what revolvers do best.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard the 610 cannot use .40s&w, is that true?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't own a 610 but that sounds like bullshit. The 610 uses moon clips to headspace the cartridges. That would work the exact same for .40 as it would for 10mm. And the brass being slightly shorter doesn't matter one bit, just like shooting .38spl out of a .357 mag, .45 colt out of .454 Casull, etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From what I understand the chamber has a bit of a shoulder cut into it so that 10mm can seat in it so that it actually doesn't need moon clips to seat properly, only for extraction. Using 40 would make the seating a little worse and also potentially damage that shoulder if done excessively.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The 610 can shot .40 S&W, but unlike 10mm, you have to use moon clips.

          The chambers on the 610 allow 10mm to headspace on the shoulder, but .40 is too short to do so. Hence the need for moon clips.

          It's the same problem people are describing in shooting 40 through 10mm autoloaders - 40 is only held by the rim and doesn't seat and headspace properly. That can cause damage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The damage people report with this, has to do with eventual damage to the extractor. A small, inexpensive piece in, say a glock. In a 10mm glock, the 40 is held in place by the extractor. Flame cutting may mess up the barrel eventually, but I think this is just theory.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks. It sounds like the answer is you can shoot .40 in a model 610, but it requires moonclips whereas 10mm doesn't.

          > Using 40 would make the seating a little worse and also potentially damage that shoulder if done excessively.
          That doesn't make sense. I don't know what you mean by "seating". The word is "headspace". 10mm cartridges can headspace off either the mouth of the case or off the rim using moon clips. If you tried to use .40 without moon clips it would drop much farther down in the cylinder. It wouldn't be "a little worse", it wouldn't work at all. I fail to see how it could damage the shoulder in the chamber.

          [...]
          It's the same problem people are describing in shooting 40 through 10mm autoloaders - 40 is only held by the rim and doesn't seat and headspace properly. That can cause damage.

          It's not the same problem at all. If you put .40 in a 610 chamber without moonclips then nothing will grab it by the rim. If you put it in with moonclips then that is totally safe and won't damage a damn thing because that's what moon clips are designed to do. The only potential for damage comes when a small hook-type extractor ends up inadvertently headspacing the case. That's what happens in a semiauto, but revolvers don't have that kind of extractor.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is my 10k hours in paint to try to explain it.

            Normally revolver cylinders don't have a shoulder cut into them so you can chamber and shoot a variety of ammo regardless of cartridge length. They are smooth and the same diameter the whole length of the chamber. but 10mm chambers do have shoulders where the case and bullet are supposed to meet up with the shoulder in the cylinder. If you shoot a shorter cartridge through it the bullet has to hit the shoulder before properly entering the rest of the chamber and then passing through the forcing cone. That can wear the chamber out. The concern is the same for chambers in pistol barrels.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > but 10mm chambers do have shoulders where the case and bullet are supposed to meet up with the shoulder in the cylinder.
              Okay, I know what you mean. that's called "headspacing off the case mouth"

              > If you shoot a shorter cartridge through it the bullet has to hit the shoulder before properly entering the rest of the chamber and then passing through the forcing cone. That can wear the chamber
              That doesn't hurt anything, it's the same thing that happens when people fire .38 out of a .357. The "shoulder" you write about exists in those too. The diameter of the cylinder at the "shoulder" is larger than that of the barrel bore since it's before the forcing cone. There is no harm being done here.

              >the concern is the same for chambers in pistol barrels.
              The concern I've always read about in the case of semiauto pistols is that the case ends up headspacing off the extractor rather than the case mouth. That puts additional strain on the extractor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The diameter of the cylinder at the "shoulder" is larger than that of the barrel bore since it's before the forcing cone.
                But it's smaller than the previous half of the chamber the cartridge sits in.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But it's smaller than the previous half of the chamber the cartridge sits in.
                Yes, and that doesn't matter one bit.

                The diameter of .40 and 10mm bullets is the same. The bullet for the .40 doesn't hit the shoulder, the shoulder is literally designed to have a bullet of that diameter pass through it not only without touching but freely, by gravity alone. Not to mention the bullets themselves are longer than the COL difference between a .40 and 10mm case (3.6mm) so it wouldn't matter unless the bullet is yawing as it clears the case mouth but before it engages the forcing cone, in which case minor erosion to the counterbore cut for the case mouth to seat against would be the least of anyone's worries.

                Yes, this.

                I fixed the picture.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever bumped your head walking though a low doorway or crouching under a low arch?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I guarantee you my 357 chambers don't have an area to headspace like that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not an "area to headspace"--.357s headspace off the rim. But there is a narrower part at the front of the cylinder. I can take a pic for you if you gimme a few min.

                Have you ever bumped your head walking though a low doorway or crouching under a low arch?

                Yes, because I'm six foot four. Did you have a point to make?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/NCC4mXt.jpeg

                Here's a .44 mag chamber drawing.
                Note the part that measures .4325 inch diameter just in front of the gap between the cylinder and the barrel.

                And here's the .357 Mag chamber spec drawing. Same thing. Note the part that's 0.358" diameter just in front of the cylinder gap.

                Unless we're talking about cartridges that use heeled bullets like .22LR or some obsolete calibers that "shoulder" as anon put it should be in every revolver chamber.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >wear the chamber out
              This is moronic. Lead and copper do not and can not "wear" steel at any acceptable firing rate/temperature.
              If you're baiting, congratulations, you got me.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The diameter of .40 and 10mm bullets is the same. The bullet for the .40 doesn't hit the shoulder, the shoulder is literally designed to have a bullet of that diameter pass through it not only without touching but freely, by gravity alone. Not to mention the bullets themselves are longer than the COL difference between a .40 and 10mm case (3.6mm) so it wouldn't matter unless the bullet is yawing as it clears the case mouth but before it engages the forcing cone, in which case minor erosion to the counterbore cut for the case mouth to seat against would be the least of anyone's worries.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, you're moronic.
              All chambers have a shoulder where the throat starts, even those that headspace off the rim. Your chamber drawing is so comically inefficient that you'd fail to ignite powder efficiently frequently due to gasses escaping by the bullet is comical quantities.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The 610 can shot .40 S&W, but unlike 10mm, you have to use moon clips.

      The chambers on the 610 allow 10mm to headspace on the shoulder, but .40 is too short to do so. Hence the need for moon clips.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unparalleled bullshit. 10mm auto loaders can shoot .40 and that's functionality you never see in a semi. That should tell you all you need to know about the compatibility.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd get one and shoot .40 which is like 30cpr. Powerful 357 loads are easier to find though vs 10mm if you want big bangs.

      Idk if it was the 610, but there's one gun where getting a thicker moon clip or some such helped with light strikes.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Since this is a revolver thread, does anyone have any recommendations for a speedloader for a new colt python?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Safariland ones work well

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How do you like yours?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have the 6 inch python. It came with a suprisingly good trigger, I think mine clocked in around 3-something pounds for the trigger pull. It is very accurate. Buy them made after 2022, I didn't and the barrel was slightly tilted. They have great customer service and sent me a new one, which was pretty awesome. The new one works flawlessly.
        >ammo
        I run sig v crowns, both regular 357 mags and high pressure 38 specials. Some people claim that 38spc is less accurate out of a 357, but I've had mixed results (different brands).
        >holster
        I have the galco Alaskan (I think), it's pretty good. If you get the 4 inch one you can get a shoulder holster. I've seen many arguments 6inch v. 4 inch, it seems that the big difference is recoil, accuracy and velocity are kinda similar.
        >other shit
        Grips are good. However, the sights are garbage. Get the wilson combat ones, even Colt recommends this. Get a gunsmith to do it. Hope my autistic explanation helps

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Prob would be good to consult someone at least who's familiar with Wilsons mushy roll pins, I squashed my pin installing mine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Me too. It damaged the side of my python, had it buffed and laser engraved to hide muh shame
            >only half the roll pin is still holding the sight in place, should I be worried? Holds pretty good so far

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Buffed out most of my scratch, mushed pin is like 70% intact on mine has handled 2k rounds so far

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Awesome anon. What ammo do you use?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I shot 1k rounds of New Republic 158 and some 125, now reloading the brass.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'll have to check them out. Thank you anon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Colt rolls out a new snake gun
          >The factory sights are so bad even Colt recommends an aftermarket replacement
          >$1,499 msrp
          Get the frick out of here. Sights are dirt cheap, essential to a gun being good, and these frickheads cheap out on them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that is the shittiest part of it, and my only complaint.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have the 6 inch python. It came with a suprisingly good trigger, I think mine clocked in around 3-something pounds for the trigger pull. It is very accurate. Buy them made after 2022, I didn't and the barrel was slightly tilted. They have great customer service and sent me a new one, which was pretty awesome. The new one works flawlessly.
        >ammo
        I run sig v crowns, both regular 357 mags and high pressure 38 specials. Some people claim that 38spc is less accurate out of a 357, but I've had mixed results (different brands).
        >holster
        I have the galco Alaskan (I think), it's pretty good. If you get the 4 inch one you can get a shoulder holster. I've seen many arguments 6inch v. 4 inch, it seems that the big difference is recoil, accuracy and velocity are kinda similar.
        >other shit
        Grips are good. However, the sights are garbage. Get the wilson combat ones, even Colt recommends this. Get a gunsmith to do it. Hope my autistic explanation helps

        TL;DR
        I love it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what's new about it?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They've decided to make them again is the biggest part. Trigger is nice and you can dry fire it. Irons suck so replace them. They're pretty fun, rent one at a range and see if you like it

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What a waste.
    Revolvers should capitalize on larger magnum cartridges not auto loader shells.

    Just get a hand cannon semiautomatic

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it a bad idea to get a revolver
    never

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ruger made a Blackhawk for 10mm and .40. The cylinders were cut in such a way that the cartridges properly headspaced without the need for moon clips. They don't make them anymore though. My local sporting goods store still has a brand new one for sale. I'm very tempted, except they want $700 for the fricking thing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any chance it was just a dual cylinder Blackhawk like the 45lc/45 acp and 38-357/9mm models? Only with one spaced for 40 and one for 10mm?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's exactly what it is, a Ruger convertible with two cylinders. The fact that it doesn't need moon clips is extremely enticing.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10mm rules

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My two woods guns are an N frame 44 and a G20.5. I don't know why you would ever mix them, it's like the worst of both worlds. If you want something of the same approx power, just get a .357.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can have both. There exists 10mm mag (.41 Rem Mag)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.41_Remington_Magnum

    It’s rimmed 10mm if it were loaded to like 70kpsi

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10mm is more economical if you don't reload, ammo is more available and cheaper than .41 Mag ammo

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a .44 mag chamber drawing.
    Note the part that measures .4325 inch diameter just in front of the gap between the cylinder and the barrel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And bullets repeatedly busting through that gap from a much wider space many times like when your boyfriend's throbbing member turns your prostate to mush isn't going to wear it down?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't wear it down when people shoot .38's through .357 chambers, .45 Colts through .454 Casull chambers, etc? so why would it wear anything down here?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is something made of copper and lead going to wear down something made of hardened steel specifically designed to contain explosions
        Hit your head one too many times there bud? Freebore can affect overall accuracy, because the bullet may be briefly unsupported before engaging the rifling, but again the projectile length for both .40 and 10mm is the same and exceeds the difference in case length. Cylinders are cut so the minimal possible gap exists, and designed so the bullet is as close to the end of the cylinder as possible without binding up the action.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only way I can think of to actually wear down the chamber's shoulder leading to the throat would be using copious amounts of very hot burning powders, like Lil Gun, many light bullets in short cases, and little time between shots so the heat doesn't leave.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ive never heard anyone irl say autoloader. How come the term is ONLY used by revolver stans on /k/?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The term is rarely important unless you're comparing those kinds of guns to different kinds of actions. You'll see it in the levergat and bolt-action threads too.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you feel like paying 1600 the aria ballistics guys sell one bored out to take 40, 10mm auto, and 10mm magnum which is pretty close to 41 magnum power…. I like it but I’m saving to get the rhino in 10mm magnum..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Never heard of 10mm Magnum, is it a wildcat

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t remember the history on it, but it’s not technically a wildcat, doubletap, hornady and a few others make factory 10mm magnum. Performance wise it’s super close to 41 magnum and I think was something forgotten about from the whole “let’s make semi auto pistols in big calibers” craze from a while back.. it’s just obscure as hell, but I like the idea of being able to run 3 different calibers through the same gun with no changes to it..

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also when I eventually get one I can post it here and then laugh at all the people who comment “it’s 10mm auto not magnum”

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/Lfcsmgl.jpeg

        Don’t remember the history on it, but it’s not technically a wildcat, doubletap, hornady and a few others make factory 10mm magnum. Performance wise it’s super close to 41 magnum and I think was something forgotten about from the whole “let’s make semi auto pistols in big calibers” craze from a while back.. it’s just obscure as hell, but I like the idea of being able to run 3 different calibers through the same gun with no changes to it..

        Is it the same as 10x25mm?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t believe so, it’s a lot longer than 10mm auto and most of the ammo tends to be In the “185-210 grains at 1500-1650 fps” range…. Did a bit of googling and apparently it was originally a chambering for an automag IV.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What you really want is a 686 you just don’t realize it yet.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Already had a 686, and I didn't like it. Too much recoil for me when shooting 357 Mag. I won't fall for the tricks of people like you again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what barrel length?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          4", because that's what everybody recommends.

          Going forward, I'm going with 6" barrels at a minimum when buying a full-size revolver.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            6" 357 is great

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >686

        what barrel length?

        I have this one in 5" on order and plan on picking it up today.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The barrel on this reminds me of an Amazon river dolphin for some reason

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you have a repressed phallus fetish

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I think this gun looks like a dolphin
              >PENISES YOU THINK ABOUT PENISES
              I think you need to tell whats on your mind, or better yet dont.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was discussing getting a gaymer pc s&w so that archetype isn't surprising.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a gaymer pc s&w

                Tell us you're a poorgay who sucks dick and takes it in the ass without

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a gigantic homosexual with dogshit taste. Those revolvers are hideous.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                poor babby
                can you show us on the doll where the evil 686+ PC touched you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >single color front sight
                >tapered underlug
                >5 vent ribs
                >7 shot which isn't even competitive in any ruleset
                >hideous long release latch as if you'll compete with it
                It's a monstrosity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >evil
                YOU. are absolute proof why /k/ needs IDs
                Fricking homosexual

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >revolvers for gays.jpg
                Pure Projection

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >weird 3/4 underlug
                Why?
                It looks like a kitchen knife. Either have the full underlug or delete it entirely.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We get it. You do not understand the engineering behind this custom revolver, so you call it "weird".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's intended for competitions where you draw from a holster like USPSA; that specific style of underlug protects the ejector rod and guides the gun into the holster without making the gun front heavy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh shit, you mean like a half lug does inherently?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry your moronation is terminal.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think this gun looks like a dolphin
            >PENISES YOU THINK ABOUT PENISES
            I think you need to tell whats on your mind, or better yet dont.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >filtered
        Why do you have such limp wrists?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's dumb, get a normal 357 or something bigger, even the strongest 10mm barely scratches what 357 can achieve, thats not mentioning 44. 10mm belongs in autos to shit on 9 and 45

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Give me a break. WRT foot pounds of energy, they are comperable.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you really should get something fitting a revolver , if you like 10mm get a self loading xartrige edjecting handgun, otherwise get a python or something in 357 or a colt anoconda

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Join the club. If you love the 10mm, you probably have a semi, so you don't need 357 mag. I got an extra 610 cylinder reemed out to take 10mm mag which is basically a 41 remington magnum. This round is nuts!

    Never tries a speed loader, but I don't know how anyone lives without moon clips... super great tech.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    General revolver question: I've heard the general consensus is that European .357 mag is loaded hotter than American .357 mag because SAAMI lowered their pressure spec while CIP didn't. If that's the case, what are some good hot European 158gr hollowpoints that would suitable for hunting whitetail but still relatively inexpensive? Sure, I could buy $2/round Buffalo Bore ammo, but if I can buy something that will perform similarly that's like half that amount or less, I'd rather do that. I do not have a reloading setup and I don't have space for one in my apartment so please don't suggest that.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a 610, very comfy gun.
    main appeal is being able to plink .40 S&W out if it.
    on the subject of auto revolvers, I also have a Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. lots of fun to shoot, but the ammo is unfortunately quite pricey.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have you tried hot 10mm loads out of the 610, what's the recoil like?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have not, honestly 99% of what I've put through it has been .40s and the 10mm rounds I did put through it felt no different (at one point I alternated 10s and .40s in the clip, spun the cylinder, and could not tell which was which when I started firing)
        I am aware of course that most mass produced 10mm rounds are naturally underpowered, I imagine it'd be a lot more interesting with some beefier bullets.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Haven't owned one, but heard they're fun. Just get get non lawyer loaded 10mm from Underwood / Buffalo Bore. Plink with .40 and you're good.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's stupid not to, moon clips are the best reloading method imo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You think so? Everyone else here seems to hate moon clips.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think a 9mm revolver could be useful if you intend to commit crimes at night and you might not have the time or inclination to pick up your brass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      couldn't you do that with a revolver in .38 or any other cartridge though

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While I agree with the guy ragging on the 686 (it's a very ugly design), he's being a huge homosexual about it.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So much samegayging itt it's disgusting
    /k/ needs ID's and flags

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it a bad idea to get a revolver
    yes

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    686 6" gang we up!

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