The only thing of actual , timeless , value in the world is land. Period.
As for "monetary" value. Collecting guns is dumb. Every gun owner is looking for a deal. And gun collectors are few and far between for spending money on high value shit.
Unless you have a billion dollars to blow buying up as many machine guns as possible and driving the market price up, there is literally no financial reason to collect guns
>The only thing of actual , timeless , value in the world is land. Period.
Land can change its value, for example when it's considered in urban plans, or gets surrounded by Black person squatters, becomes dangerous to live in, or in the case of rural areas, rivers stop flowing near it.
Guns are no different than any other limited commodity like paintings, fancy silverware, israeliteellery, etc. It's absolutely possible to make good investments that pay off well, it's also possible to buy things that barely appreciate. Like any other investment do your homework and research your ass off before you drop any money.
I've spent about 70k on my collection over a period of a little over 20 years. Going by current auction prices it's worth about 180k. Relatively little of that "profit" came from prices appreciating or from modern guns, most of it came from finding undervalued antiques. A good example was when 'Rona first hit and the stock market was in the shitter; the prices of high end guns were highly depressed, you could pick up a gun for $20k then that would have sold for $50k a few months before or a few months later.
It disheartens me that there will likely never again be another event like the end of WW2 or the end of the Cold War that saw tremendous numbers of functional firearms dropped into the market at incredible prices
Right now, PSA is selling AR15s that are better than any surplus rifle for $500 and pistols that are better than any surplus pistol for $350. A global conflict with millions of casualties is not necessary to get cheap guns.
Five-hundred dollar AR pattern rifles from a company with mediocre quality control isn’t a steal. One hundred dollar SKS and Mosin rifles were a fricking steal though and if you were smart enough to buy a crate you’d easily have quintupled your money. You’re likely not old enough to remember those days so to you a 500 dollar “mil-spec” AR is a great deal. The difference is I can shoot my K98 or my CMP Garands and still make more than what I bought them for. Try selling your PSA and you’ll likely get maybe 3/4s what you paid for it. When we talk about investment firearms we mean firearms that have actual value beyond the purpose they serve. Historically significant firearms tend to be the most lucrative to collect. Back ten years ago you could go through the CMP and get a Garand for 500 dollars. Now you’re lucky to find a beater for 1100 at a gun show. >inb4 stupid zoomer trying to defend their dog-shit logic
You’re a dumb gorilla Black person, and you’re not as intelligent as you’d probably like to believe you are. Learn to be quiet and not interject your opinion on things you don’t understand…you might actually learn something.
A $500 modern rifle, even from a shit show like PSA is more valuable than a $500 nugget that can never be improved upon without being Bubba'd and which is minute of barn accurate on a good day. Having any AR in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty two allows you to replace everything but the lower and have a much more functional firearm. Firearms have a very specific function and hoarding them for muh collectors value so they can sit in a safe for all eternity makes you no better than some homosexual with a wall full of funko pops.
>Firearms have a very specific function and hoarding them for muh collectors value so they can sit in a safe for all eternity makes you no better than some homosexual with a wall full of funko pops.
Depends entirely on the firearm.
An old Volcanic pistol makes a terrible combat weapon but could be an excellent investment. A PSA AR is fantastic if you need to fight, it's a terrible long-term investment. Lumping all guns together is nothing but willful ignorance.
And there he goes. Got BTFO for his ignorance and instead of learning something from the interaction, doubles no, triples down because now its all about not losing an internet argument. have a nice day homosexual.
You weren't originally arguing with me. My point is that firearms as an investment is moronic, so I don't give a shit if a PSA AR doesn't triple in value in 10 years.
Not the guy you're arguing with, but I've been into guns since the late 2000s. No one thought Mosins were some investment item back then. They were cheap $150 guns and people regarded them as such. People used to buy them just to destroy them and make poorgays seethe. It wasn't until the supply dried up that they started going up in value. If you told someone in 2009 that a decade later Mosins would be going for $400 they'd probably have laughed at you.
You never know what's going to happen and what's cheap and ubiquitous today might be something way more valuable in the future. If God forbid some assault weapon ban ever got passed those $500 PSAs will probably triple in value and be seen as the benchmark for the next generation of shooters trying to get a grandfathered rifle. To be clear I DO NOT want this to happen and I hope they stay cheap and common. I'm just trying make the point that as much as you're giving that guy shit you're being pretty short sited yourself. What did that anon even say that was so wrong? That we don't need milsurp to get good, cheap fighting weapons because we produce them here domestically today? It's objectively true lol.
Guns do not generate value unless they're possessed by armed guards, police, citizens for the purpose of protection, etc. Investing in guns as collectibles is exactly the same thing as investing in Beanie Babies. You are assuming that people in the future will give a frick about your collectible. If you MUST collect guns, try to collect guns that have been collectible for 50+ years and try to buy them undervalued. The Lindy Effect is applicable here.
Guns are like cars in this regard. If you're a hyper autist who understands every minute difference between hundreds and hundreds of guns across dozens of different manufacturers AND you have an acute sense of the ebb and flow of the vast nuances of the market and know exactly what to buy, when, and for what price, then yes you can treat them like investments and even do well.
However for the vast majority of people, even those deeply interested in the hobby, this is not the case and they shouldn't be treated as investments. Just buy what you like for love of the hobby and don't worry about it. Odds are if you're informed and buying items that are considered good/interesting/niche today, they will be collectable in the future anyway. You just shouldn't bank on it.
Guns aren't really an investment but a store of value that tracks with inflation, unless you do something like pick up historical milsurp when it's very cheap and hodl until supply dries up.
So I fully expect my typical guns to resale for whatever is 60-80% of the purchase price, relative to inflation,
And I expect any hyped or sought after historicals to triple or more in price, relative to inflation, after 20 years or so.
I have guns that have greatly appreciated since I got them but they hold sentimental value and would never be sold. Back in the day I had an opportunity to buy a commemorative 1996 Olympic Security Glock 17 for $299 and I just put in the sage and sold it 20 years later for $1000. Not a huge profit considering inflation. I spent like $50 on insignia to add to the display case to make it more attractive.
Ian making these gun investment videos is the same shit as andrew tate selling you on hustleversity. Ian's making his money by pumping gun values with video content, on top making money from making the video content, just like Andrew Tate makes money selling vapid pointless lessons on how to make money. Ian telling you how about how to flip guns, is Ian flipping guns to your peers, while increasing their value by having the gall to tell you to your face about it, and leaving you no closer to making money. It's the grift economy, just scam someone LMAO.
I bet most people who "invest" into firearms lose money. some firearms significantly increase in value, but those are either historically significant, which are few and far between, or happenstance.
take the Bren Ten: if you had bought a bunch from D&D you could have made a nice profit, because they gained an aura of cool. could just as well have turned out to be "that failed American CZ clone in an exotic chambering, forget getting parts" and worth next to nothing.
I can't wait for the closing of the machine gun registry to be ruled unconstitutional so all the transferrable investor fudds who have been trying to prevent lobbying for reopening the registry lose their shirts.
> Invested
Something around $20k. It's probably worth around $25k now, so not much of a return but I didn't buy a bunch of guns as an investment.
The C&R and Russian stuff has the largest appreciation.
Pedants will say guns aren't investments in the same way precious metals aren't investments. Whatever. Guns and precious metals are both hedges against inflation. Celebrate diversity in your portfolio.
I know they destroyed Kyle’s gun, but what happened to Derek pants? Talk about an investment!
if you invest in "le object" you are moronic
The only thing of actual , timeless , value in the world is land. Period.
As for "monetary" value. Collecting guns is dumb. Every gun owner is looking for a deal. And gun collectors are few and far between for spending money on high value shit.
Unless you have a billion dollars to blow buying up as many machine guns as possible and driving the market price up, there is literally no financial reason to collect guns
you collect guns because you like them
>le
Tell me your a noguns without telling me your a noguns.
>The only thing of actual , timeless , value in the world is land. Period.
Land can change its value, for example when it's considered in urban plans, or gets surrounded by Black person squatters, becomes dangerous to live in, or in the case of rural areas, rivers stop flowing near it.
Government can force you to sell your land to them for pennies of they want to.
there are people who make money off of buying and selling guns
doesn't mean you can do it
and then there's the atf
It's unwise to truly invest in firearms. Ive got like, 20k in gun and related shit overall and I just get what I want.
Guns are no different than any other limited commodity like paintings, fancy silverware, israeliteellery, etc. It's absolutely possible to make good investments that pay off well, it's also possible to buy things that barely appreciate. Like any other investment do your homework and research your ass off before you drop any money.
I've spent about 70k on my collection over a period of a little over 20 years. Going by current auction prices it's worth about 180k. Relatively little of that "profit" came from prices appreciating or from modern guns, most of it came from finding undervalued antiques. A good example was when 'Rona first hit and the stock market was in the shitter; the prices of high end guns were highly depressed, you could pick up a gun for $20k then that would have sold for $50k a few months before or a few months later.
got any pics? I got into German sporting guns at that time and picked up a drilling and a kipplauf pretty cheap
It disheartens me that there will likely never again be another event like the end of WW2 or the end of the Cold War that saw tremendous numbers of functional firearms dropped into the market at incredible prices
Right now, PSA is selling AR15s that are better than any surplus rifle for $500 and pistols that are better than any surplus pistol for $350. A global conflict with millions of casualties is not necessary to get cheap guns.
They even sell them as sets (a rifle and a pistol) to save yourself a few more shekels.
yeah but those aren't kino the way $99 makarovs were
Five-hundred dollar AR pattern rifles from a company with mediocre quality control isn’t a steal. One hundred dollar SKS and Mosin rifles were a fricking steal though and if you were smart enough to buy a crate you’d easily have quintupled your money. You’re likely not old enough to remember those days so to you a 500 dollar “mil-spec” AR is a great deal. The difference is I can shoot my K98 or my CMP Garands and still make more than what I bought them for. Try selling your PSA and you’ll likely get maybe 3/4s what you paid for it. When we talk about investment firearms we mean firearms that have actual value beyond the purpose they serve. Historically significant firearms tend to be the most lucrative to collect. Back ten years ago you could go through the CMP and get a Garand for 500 dollars. Now you’re lucky to find a beater for 1100 at a gun show.
>inb4 stupid zoomer trying to defend their dog-shit logic
You’re a dumb gorilla Black person, and you’re not as intelligent as you’d probably like to believe you are. Learn to be quiet and not interject your opinion on things you don’t understand…you might actually learn something.
A $500 modern rifle, even from a shit show like PSA is more valuable than a $500 nugget that can never be improved upon without being Bubba'd and which is minute of barn accurate on a good day. Having any AR in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty two allows you to replace everything but the lower and have a much more functional firearm. Firearms have a very specific function and hoarding them for muh collectors value so they can sit in a safe for all eternity makes you no better than some homosexual with a wall full of funko pops.
Fun homie, that's the cornerstone of every hobby.
Fun is le cringe and off meta.
>Firearms have a very specific function and hoarding them for muh collectors value so they can sit in a safe for all eternity makes you no better than some homosexual with a wall full of funko pops.
Depends entirely on the firearm.
An old Volcanic pistol makes a terrible combat weapon but could be an excellent investment. A PSA AR is fantastic if you need to fight, it's a terrible long-term investment. Lumping all guns together is nothing but willful ignorance.
I sold my PSA AR for twice what I paid for it, homosexual
Wow, I bet that made a big dent in how much you need to save for your retirement.
And there he goes. Got BTFO for his ignorance and instead of learning something from the interaction, doubles no, triples down because now its all about not losing an internet argument. have a nice day homosexual.
You weren't originally arguing with me. My point is that firearms as an investment is moronic, so I don't give a shit if a PSA AR doesn't triple in value in 10 years.
tldr
>If I can't make money off thing then I don't want it
Ok
Not the guy you're arguing with, but I've been into guns since the late 2000s. No one thought Mosins were some investment item back then. They were cheap $150 guns and people regarded them as such. People used to buy them just to destroy them and make poorgays seethe. It wasn't until the supply dried up that they started going up in value. If you told someone in 2009 that a decade later Mosins would be going for $400 they'd probably have laughed at you.
You never know what's going to happen and what's cheap and ubiquitous today might be something way more valuable in the future. If God forbid some assault weapon ban ever got passed those $500 PSAs will probably triple in value and be seen as the benchmark for the next generation of shooters trying to get a grandfathered rifle. To be clear I DO NOT want this to happen and I hope they stay cheap and common. I'm just trying make the point that as much as you're giving that guy shit you're being pretty short sited yourself. What did that anon even say that was so wrong? That we don't need milsurp to get good, cheap fighting weapons because we produce them here domestically today? It's objectively true lol.
Don't let your memes be dreams. If a serbian could do it with a little handgun you can too.
I just feel like no matter what, we're not gonna see $75 QBZ-191 and AK-12s filling the shelves at Bass Pro
>Is investing in guns a good idea or a bad idea?
It's a good idea if you're Ian McShillem
Was there something factually incorrect about Ian's video?
Guns do not generate value unless they're possessed by armed guards, police, citizens for the purpose of protection, etc. Investing in guns as collectibles is exactly the same thing as investing in Beanie Babies. You are assuming that people in the future will give a frick about your collectible. If you MUST collect guns, try to collect guns that have been collectible for 50+ years and try to buy them undervalued. The Lindy Effect is applicable here.
Daily reminder
>the average worker
Maybe you shouldn't be wasting your money on "scarce" weapons if you can't afford them.
The average worker can buy a PSA AR or poverty pony or a savage axis bolt or a maverick 88 or a taurus g3 or canik, regardless of what a m1903 costs
Lol. Maybe if you do research. Your shit bersas and bubba Ar's aren't going to appreciate anything.
Guns are like cars in this regard. If you're a hyper autist who understands every minute difference between hundreds and hundreds of guns across dozens of different manufacturers AND you have an acute sense of the ebb and flow of the vast nuances of the market and know exactly what to buy, when, and for what price, then yes you can treat them like investments and even do well.
However for the vast majority of people, even those deeply interested in the hobby, this is not the case and they shouldn't be treated as investments. Just buy what you like for love of the hobby and don't worry about it. Odds are if you're informed and buying items that are considered good/interesting/niche today, they will be collectable in the future anyway. You just shouldn't bank on it.
Guns aren't really an investment but a store of value that tracks with inflation, unless you do something like pick up historical milsurp when it's very cheap and hodl until supply dries up.
So I fully expect my typical guns to resale for whatever is 60-80% of the purchase price, relative to inflation,
And I expect any hyped or sought after historicals to triple or more in price, relative to inflation, after 20 years or so.
I have guns that have greatly appreciated since I got them but they hold sentimental value and would never be sold. Back in the day I had an opportunity to buy a commemorative 1996 Olympic Security Glock 17 for $299 and I just put in the sage and sold it 20 years later for $1000. Not a huge profit considering inflation. I spent like $50 on insignia to add to the display case to make it more attractive.
Ian making these gun investment videos is the same shit as andrew tate selling you on hustleversity. Ian's making his money by pumping gun values with video content, on top making money from making the video content, just like Andrew Tate makes money selling vapid pointless lessons on how to make money. Ian telling you how about how to flip guns, is Ian flipping guns to your peers, while increasing their value by having the gall to tell you to your face about it, and leaving you no closer to making money. It's the grift economy, just scam someone LMAO.
I bet most people who "invest" into firearms lose money. some firearms significantly increase in value, but those are either historically significant, which are few and far between, or happenstance.
take the Bren Ten: if you had bought a bunch from D&D you could have made a nice profit, because they gained an aura of cool. could just as well have turned out to be "that failed American CZ clone in an exotic chambering, forget getting parts" and worth next to nothing.
investing in guns is only slightly less moronic than investing in cars
I can't wait for the closing of the machine gun registry to be ruled unconstitutional so all the transferrable investor fudds who have been trying to prevent lobbying for reopening the registry lose their shirts.
> Invested
Something around $20k. It's probably worth around $25k now, so not much of a return but I didn't buy a bunch of guns as an investment.
The C&R and Russian stuff has the largest appreciation.
Investing in anything else except land is moronic.
Pedants will say guns aren't investments in the same way precious metals aren't investments. Whatever. Guns and precious metals are both hedges against inflation. Celebrate diversity in your portfolio.