someone trained in using a scoped weapon is simply a marksman
the presence of a marksman in a squad isnt a given and depends on whether any squad members are certified and if marksman rifles are available
they are treated as riflemen with greater range
a sniper is a specifically trained soldier, and has training in other supporting skills to aid in long range shooting
a sniper has much more emphasis on concealment and math proficiency, the former to be able to actually get close to high ranking targets and the latter for hitting targets a 1000s of meters instead of hundreds
Anyone who's taking aimed shots at someone from a hidden position is a sniper. They are sniping. It's not some kind of prestige class only available when you have 50 kills in Medal Of Duty or something.
You don't have to have a special rifle for it or a scope. You don't need special training. You don't even need to be far away, as long as you're sufficiently far away that you position isn't immediately obvious when you fire.
It's not a proper noun, it's a common noun at best and mostly an adjective.
snipe
/snʌJp/
verb
gerund or present participle: sniping
1.
shoot at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range.
"the soldiers in the trench sniped at us"
if you want to get autistic, a sniper is a person
his weapon is a sniper's rifle, which could be any rifle but is usually designed with long range shooting in mind
so a scoped pistol designed for firing at long range targets is a sniper's pistol
Hey retard he answered it for you. A sniper is the person and his rifle is the sniper’s rifle. The deadliest sniper of all time used iron sights. Now you stfu and leave forever
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>ree ree i hate educating people about weapons on PrepHole
took me literally 2 minutes to give him a place to start in terms of understanding the three broad categories. you might be able to get away with role-determinism / purism over talking about the nature of the equipment itself when arguing whether something is a tank or an assault gun or whatever the fuck – because arguments about armour are arguments in which everyone has lost by participating at all – but this just doesn't work for small arms.
saying "it's a sniper rifle because the doctrine sez it's a sniper rifle" is mindless when the features of the weapons themselves are clearly differentiated along obvious lines. if it has to shoot far and be highly-accurate, it's gonna be a bolt action. if we live in the current century, that's gonna be at ranges where the target can't be seen by the naked eye. etc.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the weapons themselves are clearly differentiated along obvious lines
They aren't.
> if it has to shoot far
So a HRT sniper taking out a hostage-taker at 80 yards isn't a real sniper?
3 weeks ago
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>So a HRT sniper taking out a hostage-taker at 80 yards isn't a real sniper?
an HRT sniper is definitionally a sniper if that's what it says on their pay stub. this is unrelated to my point about the winnowing feature tree as you walk the lineage of designs that gets you to all modern precision firearms. compared to everything that don't gotta shoot as far and still hit small-ish stuff reliably, there's much less taxonomic diversity. this is just blatant descriptive fact.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s not a FUCKING CATEGORY you euroshit dumb mother fucker. It’s a fucking person. A designated marksman is a PERSON. The DMR is the rifle that the designated marksman USES. You can’t own a DMR because you’re not a designated marksman. You’re not a sniper. You’re trying to classify something you can’t and you just sound like a moron. Now go away.
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what if i told you.. that weapons, they- i'm choking up i'm so sorry you have to hear this from me anon - the weapons, anon, they're put through these things called TRIALS.. thru which their FEATURES.. are tailored to REQUIREMENTS.. so that they can occupy the intended niche as fit-for-purpose hardware for those ROLES.. the ones that the PERSONS hold...
T_T im so sorry
ontologically mind shattering
but u had to know
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You’re 12 and you aren’t half as smart as you think you are. You’ve been told by 20 people that you’re wrong and continue to pretend you’re not. I wish someone would knock you out irl so you realize when to shut the fuck up next time.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Every Sniper uses a purpose-built Sniper(TM) weapon
No.
You're the definition of Dunning-Krueger, anon. You know just enough to make you think you're an expert, while in reality your knowledge is sophomoric at best.
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>Every Sniper uses a purpose-built Sniper(TM) weapon
your quote, not mine. >Dunning-Krueger
you misunderstand the phenomenon you're citing. low-competence groups in the DK effect do not exhibit illusory superiority over high-competence groups. they simply exhibit a moderate upward bias in skill self-assessment.
i dispense with you
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are so dunning Krueger and ESL it’s kind of funny now. Lmao at how stupid you actually are
3 weeks ago
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the first time i was being charitable by not [sic]ing your spelling of Dunning–Kruger. you're only embarrassing yourself.
Technically,it could be.
The word Sniper is derived from a species of bird,known as the Snipe.
They are fast and quick witted.
Thus,to be a Sniper,you would have to be even more quick witted,fast,and skilled in every way,and indeed accurate,to gain the upper hand of this bird.
so if a pistol had a scope on it, it can be considered a sniper?
>Does a gun just need a scope to be a sniper >be a sniper
a sniper is a man you fucking 10 year old. sniping is a tactic and a sniper rifle is any rifle he can use for it
There really isn't any such thing as a "sniper rifle." It's a scary term invented by the media to demonize certain types of firearms, just like the term "assault weapon."
A rifle that is specifically designed for long-range shooting (e.g. a CheyTac Intervention)? I would personally call it a long-range rifle. A rifle that is designed for precision shooting at intermediate ranges would be a designated marksman rifle.
https://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=108180 >This specification covers the performance, characteristics, firing, packaging and quality assurance requirements for the Rifle, 7.62mm, Sniper
>ummm ackshually sniper rifles dont even exist >ummm ackshually assault rifles dont even exist >ummm didnt you know that semi-automatic was a term invented by the media to fearmonger? the actual accurate term is one-bullet-per-trigger-pull, or OBPTP for short >didn't you know the word silencer was invented by hollywood? the real word is gunmakelessloudener >only an idiot would call the thing that holds the bullets in the gun a clip, the real word is internalgunbulletholder
oh my GOD who gives a fuck
There's also the mechanical accuracy of the gun itself. In the old days they would test each rifle that came off the production line, and the ones that were especially consistent would be designated as sniper rifles. There was no difference in the design, it was just natural variations in the manufacturing process.
Not even that. The sniper rifle is just a rifle a sniper uses, there's no real range or weapon qualification. The original sniping, which is to say hunting of snipes, involved iron sights and getting as close as humanly possible. Snipers work best and stay alive longest at extreme range, so a high magnification sight on an accurate gun whose caliber outranges the opposition is generally what best complements what they're trying to achieve, but you could in principle snipe with a 10/22 and a red dot.
a "sniper rifle" is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve precision at long range. ranges beyond 1000 yards are conventionally understood to be "long" since the advent of precision rifles – though this is a moving goalpost, much like the normative perception of what should constitute "precision" shrinks in terms of MOA with time, and is beyond the scope of this thread.
this differs from a designated marksman rifle [DMR] primarily – largely, but not solely* – along the dimension of range: a DMR is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve precision, to supplement generic riflemen of his squad in a military context, at intermediate range. ranges beyond 300 yards and below 700 yards are conventionally understood to be the niche of the DMR.
this differs from an anti-materiel rifle [AMR] primarily along the dimension of precision: an AMR is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve long-range shots requiring the delivery of substantial energy but *not* requiring much precision. these targets are conventionally understood to constitute "materiel" – vehicles, hardware, and other large targets you can punch a hole in, with a large-calibre rifle that delivers your projectile far enough and roughly in the intended timezone. since the actions of these rifles have, historically, tended to be fundamentally similar to those of general-purpose 'sniper' rifles, the normative ranges to consider "long range" are the same.
*this caveat exists because up til now, the design / actions, construction and philosophies of DMRs and precision rifles have tended to fundamentally differ. a DMR is likely to share characteristics with the standard service rifle. a 'sniper' rifle is not.
Manufactures literally market their weapons as "sniper rifles," and law enforcement agencies put out RFPs for "sniper rifles." What the fuck else are you doing with a high precision 8.6mm bolt action in a military or LE context?
is the obvious "yes" supposed to present a problem?
tools are instrumentally defined things. we define and recontextualise our relationship to them in terms of their actual use. if silly string is incredibly useful to your squad, and you need it in your mtoe as tactical tripwire detector, that's what it's going down as.
there are plenty of non-instrumental facts about weapons systems that encode useful information about them, though. historical info. things that didn't work out in practice. objective, artefactual properties that held group them together.
you can shoehorn lots of things that aren't rifles into my rough guidelines. this is inherent to any descriptive scheme.
it's a gotcha question from a guy who's struggling to grasp that there are multiple ways a definition can be satisfied, one of which is by strict logical necessity (RIFLE OF SNIPER IMPLIES SNIPER'S RIFLE). so i didn't even bother to object to the fact that it's not a rifle.
Stop obsessing over words.
As anon said "designated marksman" is the guy in your squad that you trust to make long range precise shots and probably has a relevant scope. With entire squads having 3.4x ACOGs or 4xLPVOs the equipment may be the same.
A sniper is more often a specialized team for a sniper mission which may include infiltration and recon over several days.
But don't get obsessed over the words because US Army and USMC both define the words and do it differently. Other nations do things completely differently.
"Sniper rifle," generally means a rifle specifically designed for hitting targets at extreme distances, often beyond that of a DMR.
They are also more often bolt action to reduce the weight, and because this allows for more reliable chambering. Weight matters because to hit targets at long distances they often use heavier rounds and much longer barrels. For instance, 8.6x70mm, .338, is fairly common, although there are "sniper rifles" made for regular 7.62x51mm.
A designated marksman isn't the same thing as a sniper. They are there to extend their units effective range, not acting as their own team that is providing support for a bunch of fire teams. Also, accuracy becomes very important because snipers are often used in hostage situations.
Smart scopes are already making it so that a relative novice with one can outshoot marksmen. It will be interesting to see how these progress since options for paring them with drones and range finders seem pretty exciting. But you'd probably want to do that with an HMG or autocannon more often because of the weight and because even if you can do the math to project the beaten zone of a burst you'll still need multiple hits to strike a target 2+ miles out since small variations in the wind and air density will compound. Coil guns would make this easier by allowing for exit velocity to be precisely adjusted to arc into a target.
But in poor countries you get to see cool anti-material sniping, like this 35mm rifle which you can use to slap a shell into an IFV driver from a cliff face at a distance.
>Smart scopes are already making it so that a relative novice with one can outshoot marksmen. It will be interesting to see how these progress since options for paring them with drones and range finders seem pretty exciting.
how do you see this working out? i can't really tell. are smarter optics gonna "kill the mid-range" among first-world militaries, by bringing their NGSW-likes up to snuff to the point of effectively squeezing the DMR niche out of relevance? are they gonna shift engagement distances by x across the board but otherwise not dramatically destabilise the balance of small arms inventories?
the long-range is definitely interesting too, yeah. at some point it seems like the distances demand that you start sending bursts from an HMG or autocannon or you just switch out conventional projectiles entirely.
lately i see random mentions of supposed reboots of #smart bullet programs like EXACTO and russia's "up to 10km" round, suggesting continued interest, but i still don't see those reboots getting themselves attached to actual deliverables.
except for "guided detonation 23mm", whatever that means
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59309945/#q59312043
>They are also more often bolt action to reduce the weight, and because this allows for more reliable chambering.
Eeeeeeh there’s something else you’re missing entirely, it’s not about the weight, it’s about precision, a bolt action has a bolt that travels, no other movements inside the gun as the bullet leaves the barrel.
Most semi-automatic actions jank the gun a bit as the bullet is traveling, not noticeable at small distances, noticeable at bigger distances.
Most notable semi automatic precision rifles have delayed actions for that reason.
No idiot you have to be a sniper. Simo hayas mosin is a sniper rifle because he was a sniper. Your m24 is not a sniper rifle because you are not a sniper. Its a repro, a clone toy.
A sniper should be able to hit 10 human head+chest sized targets spaced every hundred meters between 100 to 1000 meters with 80% hit probability, as well as 10 targets between 100 and 1000 meters without the use of a laser rangefinder, in varying wind conditions, consistently. To do so they must have a sub MOA capable rifle. They should be trained in and proficient with basic infantry tactics; mission planning, communications, patrolling, offensive and defensive operations. They should be trained on and proficient in techniques to camouflage themselves, their equipment and their movement.
Pretty much
someone trained in using a scoped weapon is simply a marksman
the presence of a marksman in a squad isnt a given and depends on whether any squad members are certified and if marksman rifles are available
they are treated as riflemen with greater range
a sniper is a specifically trained soldier, and has training in other supporting skills to aid in long range shooting
a sniper has much more emphasis on concealment and math proficiency, the former to be able to actually get close to high ranking targets and the latter for hitting targets a 1000s of meters instead of hundreds
Anyone who's taking aimed shots at someone from a hidden position is a sniper. They are sniping. It's not some kind of prestige class only available when you have 50 kills in Medal Of Duty or something.
You don't have to have a special rifle for it or a scope. You don't need special training. You don't even need to be far away, as long as you're sufficiently far away that you position isn't immediately obvious when you fire.
It's not a proper noun, it's a common noun at best and mostly an adjective.
No that would just be a regular gunfight lol. Do you think most soldiers walk out into the open before they fire at each other?
You are genuinely a moron.
snipe
/snʌJp/
verb
gerund or present participle: sniping
1.
shoot at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range.
"the soldiers in the trench sniped at us"
so if its not very long range but has a scope it's still a sniper?
Yeah, just like the Whitworth was still a sniper with a relatively short range by todays standards doesn't change the fact it's meant for snipers
so if a pistol had a scope on it, it can be considered a sniper?
if you want to get autistic, a sniper is a person
his weapon is a sniper's rifle, which could be any rifle but is usually designed with long range shooting in mind
so a scoped pistol designed for firing at long range targets is a sniper's pistol
stfu, was just asking a question, i dont know much about the topic so was curious
Hey retard he answered it for you. A sniper is the person and his rifle is the sniper’s rifle. The deadliest sniper of all time used iron sights. Now you stfu and leave forever
>ree ree i hate educating people about weapons on PrepHole
took me literally 2 minutes to give him a place to start in terms of understanding the three broad categories. you might be able to get away with role-determinism / purism over talking about the nature of the equipment itself when arguing whether something is a tank or an assault gun or whatever the fuck – because arguments about armour are arguments in which everyone has lost by participating at all – but this just doesn't work for small arms.
saying "it's a sniper rifle because the doctrine sez it's a sniper rifle" is mindless when the features of the weapons themselves are clearly differentiated along obvious lines. if it has to shoot far and be highly-accurate, it's gonna be a bolt action. if we live in the current century, that's gonna be at ranges where the target can't be seen by the naked eye. etc.
>the weapons themselves are clearly differentiated along obvious lines
They aren't.
> if it has to shoot far
So a HRT sniper taking out a hostage-taker at 80 yards isn't a real sniper?
>So a HRT sniper taking out a hostage-taker at 80 yards isn't a real sniper?
an HRT sniper is definitionally a sniper if that's what it says on their pay stub. this is unrelated to my point about the winnowing feature tree as you walk the lineage of designs that gets you to all modern precision firearms. compared to everything that don't gotta shoot as far and still hit small-ish stuff reliably, there's much less taxonomic diversity. this is just blatant descriptive fact.
It’s not a FUCKING CATEGORY you euroshit dumb mother fucker. It’s a fucking person. A designated marksman is a PERSON. The DMR is the rifle that the designated marksman USES. You can’t own a DMR because you’re not a designated marksman. You’re not a sniper. You’re trying to classify something you can’t and you just sound like a moron. Now go away.
what if i told you.. that weapons, they- i'm choking up i'm so sorry you have to hear this from me anon - the weapons, anon, they're put through these things called TRIALS.. thru which their FEATURES.. are tailored to REQUIREMENTS.. so that they can occupy the intended niche as fit-for-purpose hardware for those ROLES.. the ones that the PERSONS hold...
T_T im so sorry
ontologically mind shattering
but u had to know
You’re 12 and you aren’t half as smart as you think you are. You’ve been told by 20 people that you’re wrong and continue to pretend you’re not. I wish someone would knock you out irl so you realize when to shut the fuck up next time.
>Every Sniper uses a purpose-built Sniper(TM) weapon
No.
You're the definition of Dunning-Krueger, anon. You know just enough to make you think you're an expert, while in reality your knowledge is sophomoric at best.
>Every Sniper uses a purpose-built Sniper(TM) weapon
your quote, not mine.
>Dunning-Krueger
you misunderstand the phenomenon you're citing. low-competence groups in the DK effect do not exhibit illusory superiority over high-competence groups. they simply exhibit a moderate upward bias in skill self-assessment.
i dispense with you
You are so dunning Krueger and ESL it’s kind of funny now. Lmao at how stupid you actually are
the first time i was being charitable by not [sic]ing your spelling of Dunning–Kruger. you're only embarrassing yourself.
Do you cum when your dad fists you?
i do.
Technically,it could be.
The word Sniper is derived from a species of bird,known as the Snipe.
They are fast and quick witted.
Thus,to be a Sniper,you would have to be even more quick witted,fast,and skilled in every way,and indeed accurate,to gain the upper hand of this bird.
>Does a gun just need a scope to be a sniper
>be a sniper
a sniper is a man you fucking 10 year old. sniping is a tactic and a sniper rifle is any rifle he can use for it
There really isn't any such thing as a "sniper rifle." It's a scary term invented by the media to demonize certain types of firearms, just like the term "assault weapon."
but what term do you use for a gun that is considered a 'sniper rifle'
A rifle that is specifically designed for long-range shooting (e.g. a CheyTac Intervention)? I would personally call it a long-range rifle. A rifle that is designed for precision shooting at intermediate ranges would be a designated marksman rifle.
thanks
>It's a scary term invented by the media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M24_Sniper_Weapon_System
>The Army chose to upgrade all its M24 rifles in the arsenals to the M2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle, with the final M24 being converted in April 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2010_Enhanced_Sniper_Rifle
https://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=108180
>This specification covers the performance, characteristics, firing, packaging and quality assurance requirements for the Rifle, 7.62mm, Sniper
https://quicksearch.dla.mil/Transient/8BEB626F3D0C4F3FBAAC18861B5FB083.pdf
>ummm ackshually sniper rifles dont even exist
>ummm ackshually assault rifles dont even exist
>ummm didnt you know that semi-automatic was a term invented by the media to fearmonger? the actual accurate term is one-bullet-per-trigger-pull, or OBPTP for short
>didn't you know the word silencer was invented by hollywood? the real word is gunmakelessloudener
>only an idiot would call the thing that holds the bullets in the gun a clip, the real word is internalgunbulletholder
oh my GOD who gives a fuck
There's also the mechanical accuracy of the gun itself. In the old days they would test each rifle that came off the production line, and the ones that were especially consistent would be designated as sniper rifles. There was no difference in the design, it was just natural variations in the manufacturing process.
Not even that. The sniper rifle is just a rifle a sniper uses, there's no real range or weapon qualification. The original sniping, which is to say hunting of snipes, involved iron sights and getting as close as humanly possible. Snipers work best and stay alive longest at extreme range, so a high magnification sight on an accurate gun whose caliber outranges the opposition is generally what best complements what they're trying to achieve, but you could in principle snipe with a 10/22 and a red dot.
>sniper
a Sniper rifle is a gun used for sniping. it sounds reductive, but sniping is the most definitional component of a Sniper rifle.
You're an idiot.
Hes completely right though. Now you know, you can grow ;^)
this thread is weird.
a "sniper rifle" is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve precision at long range. ranges beyond 1000 yards are conventionally understood to be "long" since the advent of precision rifles – though this is a moving goalpost, much like the normative perception of what should constitute "precision" shrinks in terms of MOA with time, and is beyond the scope of this thread.
this differs from a designated marksman rifle [DMR] primarily – largely, but not solely* – along the dimension of range: a DMR is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve precision, to supplement generic riflemen of his squad in a military context, at intermediate range. ranges beyond 300 yards and below 700 yards are conventionally understood to be the niche of the DMR.
this differs from an anti-materiel rifle [AMR] primarily along the dimension of precision: an AMR is approximately a rifle with which a skilled shooter can achieve long-range shots requiring the delivery of substantial energy but *not* requiring much precision. these targets are conventionally understood to constitute "materiel" – vehicles, hardware, and other large targets you can punch a hole in, with a large-calibre rifle that delivers your projectile far enough and roughly in the intended timezone. since the actions of these rifles have, historically, tended to be fundamentally similar to those of general-purpose 'sniper' rifles, the normative ranges to consider "long range" are the same.
*this caveat exists because up til now, the design / actions, construction and philosophies of DMRs and precision rifles have tended to fundamentally differ. a DMR is likely to share characteristics with the standard service rifle. a 'sniper' rifle is not.
Is an accurized M2 a sniper rifle just because it's being used by a sniper that can make hits at long ranges?
By your definitions, it would qualify.
Was it used for sniping retard? By someone who was trained as a sniper?
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/28/for-35-years-the-longest-sniper-kill-was-with-a-ma-duece/
Newfag
Exactly you stupid fucks, then in that case, it is a sniper’s weapon, fucking nursery school in here.
I believe Carlos Hathcock used an M2 with a scope to neutralise a target?
It’s a snipers rifle when a sniper is firing it. Sniper rifle is not an actual classification of rifle. You just cannot seem to understand that.
Manufactures literally market their weapons as "sniper rifles," and law enforcement agencies put out RFPs for "sniper rifles." What the fuck else are you doing with a high precision 8.6mm bolt action in a military or LE context?
is the obvious "yes" supposed to present a problem?
tools are instrumentally defined things. we define and recontextualise our relationship to them in terms of their actual use. if silly string is incredibly useful to your squad, and you need it in your mtoe as tactical tripwire detector, that's what it's going down as.
there are plenty of non-instrumental facts about weapons systems that encode useful information about them, though. historical info. things that didn't work out in practice. objective, artefactual properties that held group them together.
you can shoehorn lots of things that aren't rifles into my rough guidelines. this is inherent to any descriptive scheme.
It's not a rifle so no
it's a gotcha question from a guy who's struggling to grasp that there are multiple ways a definition can be satisfied, one of which is by strict logical necessity (RIFLE OF SNIPER IMPLIES SNIPER'S RIFLE). so i didn't even bother to object to the fact that it's not a rifle.
Do you cum when your dad fists you or are you not old enough to produce semen yet
at least ask a new question
Do you cum before after or during being molested by your father?
which gets u harder
Man a mega tsunami hitting Europe would really clean this board up
Stop obsessing over words.
As anon said "designated marksman" is the guy in your squad that you trust to make long range precise shots and probably has a relevant scope. With entire squads having 3.4x ACOGs or 4xLPVOs the equipment may be the same.
A sniper is more often a specialized team for a sniper mission which may include infiltration and recon over several days.
But don't get obsessed over the words because US Army and USMC both define the words and do it differently. Other nations do things completely differently.
jesus christ you fuckin ham sandwich iq morons need to relax a bit
I hate retards that call rifles "sniper".
sniper is the Hispanic shooting the gun, gay.
"Sniper rifle," generally means a rifle specifically designed for hitting targets at extreme distances, often beyond that of a DMR.
They are also more often bolt action to reduce the weight, and because this allows for more reliable chambering. Weight matters because to hit targets at long distances they often use heavier rounds and much longer barrels. For instance, 8.6x70mm, .338, is fairly common, although there are "sniper rifles" made for regular 7.62x51mm.
A designated marksman isn't the same thing as a sniper. They are there to extend their units effective range, not acting as their own team that is providing support for a bunch of fire teams. Also, accuracy becomes very important because snipers are often used in hostage situations.
Smart scopes are already making it so that a relative novice with one can outshoot marksmen. It will be interesting to see how these progress since options for paring them with drones and range finders seem pretty exciting. But you'd probably want to do that with an HMG or autocannon more often because of the weight and because even if you can do the math to project the beaten zone of a burst you'll still need multiple hits to strike a target 2+ miles out since small variations in the wind and air density will compound. Coil guns would make this easier by allowing for exit velocity to be precisely adjusted to arc into a target.
But in poor countries you get to see cool anti-material sniping, like this 35mm rifle which you can use to slap a shell into an IFV driver from a cliff face at a distance.
>Smart scopes are already making it so that a relative novice with one can outshoot marksmen. It will be interesting to see how these progress since options for paring them with drones and range finders seem pretty exciting.
how do you see this working out? i can't really tell. are smarter optics gonna "kill the mid-range" among first-world militaries, by bringing their NGSW-likes up to snuff to the point of effectively squeezing the DMR niche out of relevance? are they gonna shift engagement distances by x across the board but otherwise not dramatically destabilise the balance of small arms inventories?
the long-range is definitely interesting too, yeah. at some point it seems like the distances demand that you start sending bursts from an HMG or autocannon or you just switch out conventional projectiles entirely.
lately i see random mentions of supposed reboots of #smart bullet programs like EXACTO and russia's "up to 10km" round, suggesting continued interest, but i still don't see those reboots getting themselves attached to actual deliverables.
except for "guided detonation 23mm", whatever that means
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59309945/#q59312043
>They are also more often bolt action to reduce the weight, and because this allows for more reliable chambering.
Eeeeeeh there’s something else you’re missing entirely, it’s not about the weight, it’s about precision, a bolt action has a bolt that travels, no other movements inside the gun as the bullet leaves the barrel.
Most semi-automatic actions jank the gun a bit as the bullet is traveling, not noticeable at small distances, noticeable at bigger distances.
Most notable semi automatic precision rifles have delayed actions for that reason.
I thought autistic people were supposed to be smart
No idiot you have to be a sniper. Simo hayas mosin is a sniper rifle because he was a sniper. Your m24 is not a sniper rifle because you are not a sniper. Its a repro, a clone toy.
A sniper should be able to hit 10 human head+chest sized targets spaced every hundred meters between 100 to 1000 meters with 80% hit probability, as well as 10 targets between 100 and 1000 meters without the use of a laser rangefinder, in varying wind conditions, consistently. To do so they must have a sub MOA capable rifle. They should be trained in and proficient with basic infantry tactics; mission planning, communications, patrolling, offensive and defensive operations. They should be trained on and proficient in techniques to camouflage themselves, their equipment and their movement.
t. marine snipper