Is ERA even going to be viable ever or are APS the only really usable measures moving forward?

Is ERA even going to be viable ever or are APS the only really usable measures moving forward? Obviously Russians are pretty moronic with their excessively liberal approach to a pretty seriously useless seeming ERA applique but can the general theory be applied in a better way to make it more effective?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    APS don't work, Amerikkkan armor branch fudds were right about that one.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >useless
    I mean maybe learn literally anything about ERA before you start shittalking it. What do you think BUSK and TUSK are, dumbass?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What do you think BUSK and TUSK are, dumbass?
      I don't listen to hip-hop.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >-t. boomer Black person
        You probably don't know about CLARA either.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Is ERA even going to be viable ever or are APS the only really usable measures moving forward?
      ERA + APS
      ERA still obviously works against threats its intended to stop, and heavy ERA capable of stopping AP rounds exist

      APS is vaporware / doesn’t work.

      merkava 4 has APS standard
      M1A2 SEP3 has APS installed as bolt-ons , M1E3 will probably have APS built-in

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bradley can only into BUSK due to weight constraints making any potential composite addons be of questionable utility, notice that modern IFVs which have budgeted in enough weight for it are almost always equipped with composite armor frontally if not also along the sides. ERA is inferior, its only advantage is comparatively better chemical protection mass efficiency, but in terms of multi-hit capability, KE protection etc. composites will always be superior. Heavy ERA is also not a one-stop solution, Relikt actually worsens the side protection of Russian takes against chemical warheads as the elements are basically flat along the sides of the tank (Kontakt-1 and Kontakt-5 in the Kontakt boxes have an angled element and a flat element inside them), the ERA elements have to be angled to offer effective protection thus the side-on protection is worsened. ERA protection against KE is also highly dependent on penetrator design and can be mitigated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >ERA is inferior
        Half the point of ERA is so that you don't have to replace an entire expensive composite array after it gets hit by an RPG-7, you fricking dumbass

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yes, but you're also taking the chance that the next hit in the general vicinity of the last one doesn't send you sky high

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ERA is perfect for Russian tanks that were mean to be fast, small and rush forward.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          israeli vehicles don't have that problem since their armor is made up of smallish modules

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        AFAIK Relikt isn't laid flat for the soft bag or bulky turret side (optionally rear) modules that appeared in the latter part of 2032. Nothing much can be done for the roof modules against top attack for K1, K5 or Relikt.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    APS is vaporware / doesn’t work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      APS don't work, Amerikkkan armor branch fudds were right about that one.

      What a weird question.
      How do you know about either of these things and not know ERA is significantly more successful than APS?

      Knowing about APS involves knowing it hasn't worked as intended.

      I mean if you can make it cheaply enough and aren't really relying on it sure chuck it on maybe something nice will happen. But if you have the opportunity to use ERA effectively without compromising your vehicle in some way that's a way better investment.

      Ziggers leave.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        moron still posting this shit that shows nothing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          at least look at the video you moron
          1-RPG shot at the ground then exploding, no APS activation to be seen
          2-explosion off screen

          KEK damage control
          >shot at the ground
          Okay now you're not even trying.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        at least look at the video you moron
        1-RPG shot at the ground then exploding, no APS activation to be seen
        2-explosion off screen

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a weird question.
    How do you know about either of these things and not know ERA is significantly more successful than APS?

    Knowing about APS involves knowing it hasn't worked as intended.

    I mean if you can make it cheaply enough and aren't really relying on it sure chuck it on maybe something nice will happen. But if you have the opportunity to use ERA effectively without compromising your vehicle in some way that's a way better investment.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of the Merkava, why would they install a cage on top of the turret when they already have an APS?
    The cage will prevent the APS from intercepting any attacks from above.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      overlapping redundant defensive systems

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If NERA is so damn good, why use ERA at all?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      NERA is bulky and has less mass efficiency against HEAT
      So ERA is usually on the weaker parts that would be impractical to have meter thick NERA arrays

      The M1 has ERA attachments on its side hull and side turret where giant blocks of composite armor wouldn't fit

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    organic material works better

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i'm more referring to trophy since that's what i'm personally familiar with
    but it probably the same for all APS systems
    there is an optimal engagement distance for the hard kill part of an APS, any closer the likelihood of interception goes down until a point it can't intercept a threat anymore.
    as well as threats it can't intercept likes shaped charge mines or magnetic IED
    in addition to that, physical damage to the system can render it useless, which is far easier to achieve than on passive protection.
    from accidents relating to collisions or purposeful targeting by the enemy. i have seen search radars shot out by anti materiel weapons, for example.
    oh and obviously the system must be turned on, when a vehicle is sitting in an area that is presumed to be safe, it's most likely to be turned off. passive protections don't have that problem.

    it's just another layer to the survivability onion, not a replacement for another

    t. fire control technician in the IDF

    PS: it's not 50 meters like /misc/ claims, i don't know the limits of trophy since it's classified, but i have know about interception from far closer.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they work decently against basic single-charge HEAT weapons like an RPG-7. essentially stuff like Kontakt-1 is a method of cheaply forcing your enemy to use expensive AT weaponry rather than cheap basic shit

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like ERA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone does, that's why everyone uses it.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is starting to seem like a new Warriortard thing.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but can the general theory be applied in a better way to make it more effective?
    Yes. Do it like the Chinese and specifically design ERA panels based on the vehicles geometry so it doesn't leave those massive gaps like what see in Russian tanks. The Croatians and Serbians also had modernized T-72 prototypes with properly mounted ERA on them but unfortunately they were never mass produced. Of course you're still going to need APS moving forward, but you shouldn't dismiss the need for ERA.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >APS
    >ERA
    >NERA
    >Spaced armor

    Apparently North Korea is the only nation on earth not drinking moron juice because they decided to chose 'all of the above'

    Anything that you can think of and use to protect yourself should be used because your enemies are going to think of and use anything they can to kill you. It isn't one or the other thing, if your tanks end up looking like fat hamsters made out of old mattresses covered in roofing metal it doesn't matter as long as it works.

    I am not advocating covering your tanks with old mattresses and metal roofing mind you, although i could imagine how that might plausibly help if you have nothing else that it would interfere with.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    New Bradley killing a BMP dropped
    https://x.com/ukikaski/status/1769130230625525826?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ

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