Is Crimea actually in play? No meme answers. Posted on May 6, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Is Crimea actually in play? No meme answers.
why wouldn't it be
Because it would be one of the most embarrassing territorial losses in history. Putin is going to hold on tight as hard as he can or else he's dead meat. Make no mistake, Russia is not going to retreat from Sevastopol the same way they did in Kherson.
If Russia loses the right bank of the Dniepr, they lose Crimea.
I don't really get this line of thinking.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Russia has much more to lose compared to what Ukraine has to gain in Crimea. Crimea is and always will be a nightmare to push men into and it's not like Ukraine has a navy to help. Crimea is also like 70% ethnically Russian, so what is the fucking point?
Is Russia incompetent? Obviously, but they do have the men and Crimea is much more important to Russia than Kherson or the other territories they've occupied. I really don't see taking Crimea as something that's very viable despite how shit Russia is. They'll fight tooth and claw and they've got way more manpower to draw on.
>Crimea is also like 70% ethnically Russian, so what is the fucking point?
I'd like to provide you with a single wikipedia article.
>By early 1946, 932,000 people had been "verified" as having Polish nationality. In the February 1946 census, 2,288,000 persons were listed as Germans and 417,400 became subject to verification aiming at the establishment of nationality. From the spring of 1946 the expulsions gradually became better organised, affecting the remaining German population. By 1950, 3,155,000 German civilians had been expelled and 1,043,550 were naturalised as Polish citizens.
You don't get to move into an annexed region then claim it's yours after the war is over because you are now living there. The people who moved there with without Ukrainian dual citizenship, a Ukrainian wife, Ukrainian children, etc will be immediately sent to Russia. The ones who narrowly get Ukrainian citizenship will be surveilled for the next 50 years by the Ukrainian intelligence services and if they even make contact with Russian intelligence they'll be sent to prison.
Russia and China always do this shit and they haven't learned the lesson that Germany did. They will squeal like pigs once they're shown the reality of things.
I’m not going to cry when the Ukrainians kill the collaborators and settler vatniks that they find in the occupied territories tbqh. I think it’s a bit naive to assume that they will only stick to the western mindset of trials and expulsions. There’s gonna be a bit of butchery, even if it isn’t the rule. I’ve already seen a couple of uploaded videos of Ukrainians executing prisoners, and that definitely isn’t the rule
Nah. Ukies want their standards to go up, not down. They know that they pay a lot in their own blood to get to the west, they won’t jeopardize that by resorting to russian methods.
Even if a lot of “moderates” would likely be willing to look the other way otherwise, there would also be political opposition to relaxing the standards. And personally I think Ukies will want to be *exemplary*, if only because they saw firsthand what corruption does to a nation.
Eh, there is expulsion methods even the west accepts. Just deny them citizenship and and make the life difficult enough without one.
Without work or place to live they will eventually fuck off elsewhere.
>You don't get to move into an annexed region then claim it's yours after the war is over because you are now living there.
In the grand scheme of human history and warfare, this is exactly what has happened for tens of thousands of years. A right to self-determination is an extremely recent phenomenon that came into being maybe only after the First World War. It's a nice story to be able to pretend that that history started in 1918 and whoever happened to be living on the land at that time had some sort of special right to it, but that's just not the case. Their people living there usually took it from some other group people through violence, who themselves took it from some other group of people through violence.
Yeah, but nobody cares. If you're going to LARP as Nazi Germany you should at least have the decency to not be too obvious about it.
>sending them back to Russia
Just put together a bunch of central/eastern european moderates who would happily slit vatnik throats for free and send them to Crimea. Problem solved.
The range, and accuracy and power, but mainly range, of Ukrainian fires means that if they can cross the river then they can completely annihilate any depots and barracks in crimea, and frankly completely stop the supply of water and food as well. If they make the bridge untenable to cross, and if they shut down the newly established Russian fresh water supply from the north, then I don’t think Russia can hold crimea.
>Crimea is also like 70% ethnically Russian, so what is the fucking point?
Force pro-Russians there back to Russia. They'll mostly self-deport anyway. If Crimea is 90 percent depopulated that's a win for Ukraine, it can be repopulated with loyal Ukranians. If Russia doesn't like it they can start by handing Kaliningrad back to the Germans.
>If Russia loses the right bank of the Dniepr, they lose Crimea.
Russia already lost the right bank of the Dniepr.
So why isn't Russia holding on as tight as it can in the rest of the country? What equipment or tactics is warranted in the defence of Crimea that was left off the table at Kyiv, Snake Island, Kherson or Kharkiv?
Good luck with that.
The chicken crows for a long time.... and forced the bear will leave the cave.... the cock will see the shadow and it will fall silent...
now the russian bear ass will clamp the trap shut hard on ukronazi cock.
Everyone knows all that air defense is doing.
As in tactical strikes on Ukranian military positions surrounding / entering Crimea, or full monke citybusters on Lviv? Either way things immediately start going poorly for Russia, but the scale of response might differ.
maybe they should dig a few more hundred kilometres of trenches just to be safe
Reddit sources I've read said that it's guaranteed that Ukraine will take Crimea, and putin will be defeated.
if you didn't spend so much time on reddit maybe you wouldn't constantly seethe about them. rent free as all hell
>Make no mistake, Russia is not going to retreat from Sevastopol the same way they did in Kherson.
That's what I used to think about kherson, but seeing how quickly russia accepted and moved on from losing the city (and probably their last chance at making a offensive in the south for the rest of this war) made me realize russia will probably do the same if they lose any conquered territory including crimea. And no nukes will be used to avenge the loss because no nukes were used last time russia lost what she considered her own legal territory. The red line was passed last year, if russia could do something about it now she would've done so back then
the difference is monke has spent years hyping up Crimea as his main foreign policy W
Kherson was used a little bit in propaganda but to nowhere near the same legendary status Crimea has now been raised to
>Putin is going to hold on tight as hard as he can or else he's dead meat.
He could be literally dead he is 70 years old, or his government could not be stable, remember he had to fire his generals to push the invasion
Biden is 80 years old, born in the 1940s like Donald Trump, then Zelensky is essentially the proxy of the USA because it is a proxy war on the Russian border over natural gas and territory.
Pakistan and the Mujahideen (Taliban) were the proxy of the USA in Afghanistan against the Soviets.
I would start with question how Russia can reliably defend it.Bridge at some point will be a no no way.
Ships are vulnerable, and airfield are limited.
>Because it would be one of the most embarrassing territorial losses in history.
That doesn't answer the question.
>Putin is going to hold on tight as hard as he can
With what, exactly?
Every last Russian
No, I mean what are they arming those Russians with?
particularly pungent potato projectiles.
That's absurd, Lukashenko is just going to continue delaying the potato shipments.
stupid western ignoramus, they're not delayed - they're ripening. twice the wait, twice the suffering.
God damn it Budanov.
because it belongs to russia retard
According to whom? Russia does not count as it wont exist after a decade.
>According to whom?
the mighty global powers of Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Zimbabwe, Sudan, the parts of Syria assad controls, Armenia, and Belarus. Truly, we live in a multi-polar world, and must be demoralized
Everyone ALWAYS forgets about Eritrea.
Fun and games aside, I thought that the Norks were the only sovereign nation to formally acknowledge Russia's "annexation"? My understanding was that a few other states on the pariah spectrum that you mentioned have expressed "support" or something, but they're leery of going on the record 100%?
Actually no, it belongs to me. I have this document that proves it even though the international community doesn't recognize it, but the people want to, trust me.
Zelensky even signed, so everything is known, the ukrainian ass is in the ass.
This is legit, I was there, we had a referendum and everything.
What weapon is this thread about?
Fuck off over to
don't you have a reddit page to moderate or something moron?
>Why is the war relevant to the weapons board?
Embarrassing anon. Just try to think. Or are you a disgusting Vatnik?
I think whether Crimea can be taken relies on two things happening.
1. Crimea is cut off from Russia by land. Basically a push to the sea anywhere past that line. That maybe the focus of the offensive.
2. The kerch strait bridge is finished off. The black circle. The UK is planning to give Ukraine longer range missiles so that could happen soon,
An army is like a hose, it needs a constant supply of ammo, food and fuel, cut it off and it lasts until the supplies run out. If those two routes are cut, expect the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts to fall within weeks with Russians retreating back to Crimea. Crimea will I think be more of a siege and I expect Russia to attempt to keep it supplied by sea and air. With 2 million people there and no road or rail in though, the food situation may get ugly.
>The UK is planning to give Ukraine longer range missiles so that could happen soon
Storm Shadow only has a 300kg warhead, wouldn't you need quite a few in really specific spots to fully sever the bridge? As in, if Russian air defense manages to intercept at least some of the strike it might not do the job?
The Kerch bridge is still pretty much destroyed (it had a single road bridge operating with nothing else last I checked, the Russians ran an empty train across the rail part but that means nothing), and the Ukrainians are now conducting shaping operations across the entire region. At some point there's going to be a freight transport limitation and that's when you'll see the Russian army shit itself and begin preparing for a withdrawal.
As for operations into Crimea itself? I doubt it'll happen. If it does it'll be after the Russians pull back to Dzhankoy, Sevastopol, etc and will be conducted by light infantry.
The real fun part will be an incursion towards Melitopol and Mariupol. There's like two rail lines there that the Russians use to resupply Crimea and if those were cut or put under threat they'd suddenly have a massive cargo deficit.
You don't need to sever it, just repeatedly strike it.
Things are really moving for the first time in six months and the movement in question appears to be Russia giving back Melitopol in a goodwill gesture, which really makes it look like Crimea is in fact fucked
>You don't need to sever it, just repeatedly strike it.
True, I'd just be concerned that a handful of 300kg subsonic cruise missiles, even if they are stealthy, wouldn't be able to hit consistently enough for long enough or without running out too quickly to be helpful for the entire offensive. Though I guess if they make it to the coast it opens up a lot more options, and who knows what weapons they'll get down the line.
Read up on "risk mitigation".
If puccia's strategic plans are based on a resource that can be crippled with a single strike (like it already happened) at any time... well, I applaud their effort and wish they continue to rely on it to provide strategic advantage.
It will likely happen exactly this way - the puccia's supreme commander has proven himself as a brilliant tactician, but shitty strategist.
>Storm Shadow only has a 300kg warhead
Eh? It has 450kg.
1. It has a 450kg warhead
2. Even if it was 300kg, that isn't anything to sniff at. For example, the M48 ATACAMS missile has a 230kg warhead. M31A1 from HIMARS has 91kg.
While it would be sweet if AGM-86 ALCM were handed over to Ukraine, I don't think the USA is going to do that (1362kg warhead).
Would they need a special fuse/warhead to attack the bridge?
Concrete is pretty resistant to non-specialised HE warheads.
Depends on just how precise you can get, I'd say. If you're able to specifically hit supports you really don't need that much at all.
And if you just want to be a pest all you need is the ability to hit trains crossing it, it's an absolute nightmare to move a wreck off damaged rails on a now potentially unsafe bridge.
You don't even need to push all the way to the sea to cut off the rail lines and main highways.
How close do they need to get until the bridge is in range?
This whole war has been full of "there's no way Russia is actually that incompetent" and at just about every turn they've proven that statement wrong. Realistically though I don't see Ukraine having the logistics chain to be able to sustain operations for a seige on Sevastapol. Crimea is much more Russified than the rest of Ukraine is, and like everyone is saying Russia will fight much harder for Crimea. If Putin was gonna NOOOOK over anything, it would be Crimea.
Barrier troops don't work so well when they want to gtfo out before they're trapped just like everyone else
Yes, but it would be more like a good old fashioned siege to starve them out because anything else is suicidal
I could see a quick attack following the collapse of russian frontline having potential to breach Crimea too.
It would require an extremely well planned and timed operation though, immediately exploiting the confusion the collapse would cause. Doubtful that Ukraine is capable for it.
Crimea is really hard to supply. However the Ukrainians enjoyed a similar situation on the right bank of Kherson and basically hit their heads against a wall until Surovikin chose to withdraw
ukraine will be really hard for russia to have any miliatary presence. everything there will be very vulnerable to attack. unless an agreement is made russia will not be in crimea for the long term
Crimea has a big land area. It's far easier and definitely possible to take the far north chokepoint than it is to take the whole thing.
Taking part of Crimea is much easier than taking all of it. If we have discussions on if it's realistic then let's be realistic and not view it as all or nothing
Russia has the whole southern coast to resupply by sea.
Ukraine have no Navy or air force to contest that (yet™)
Ukraine has anti-ship missiles and naval suicide drones.
Don't remember reading much about them recently, there's no way they just stopped making them so I guess we can expect a very, VERY nasty surprise when the counter-offensive starts in two weeks (tm).
Naval resupply is constrained by port capacity, turnaround, ship availability, plus Crimea has limited rail infrastructure. Ukraine only needs to take a portion of Crimea to bring Sevastapol within missile range.
if they sever land corridor by reaching azov sea, yeah. will take some time, though.
Crimea is hard to breach for land troops... but it is also hard to supply, currently most of the supplies reach it via the so called land corridor aka railways from russia -> donbabwe > melitopol -> dzhakoy + whatever small rail lines are left between nova kakhovka and armyansk.
There are almost no ferry deliveries of any supplies and the meme kerch bridge cannot support the military needs either, airlift is a possibility but knowing russia they would fuck it up worse than the germans did with airlift for the 6th army at the stalingrad.
So if ukrainians manage to sever the land corridor connection they automatically will put enormous stress on the supply chain for ruskis stationed in crimea, what's even better if they do that, it will most likely be a strike on melitopol, all the way towards the sea shore. This means they will be in range to bombard kerch with various rocket artillery systems until its donzo, basically destroying TWO key supply chains.
This will allow ukranians to start systematically destroying defensive positions, while russians wont have capability to mount counter attacks, or to form new lines with new troops. It will be sorta like it was for russians all around the kherson.
But before any plans to breach the crimean defense line get put into motion the ukrainians will need, obviously, to fully take over all the land between berdiansk and nova kakhovka/kalanchak.
Obviously that will take time, they can do it but I doubt that it will at anywhere the pace of kharkov/lyman axis surprise blitz or the past kherson offensive, simply due to lesser amount of possible attack vectors, as well as more convoluted supply line for the ukrainians themselves, as most of the supplies will go through zaporizhnia -> melitopol rail in this case
Kherson dam passage can accommodate troops and tanks/ifvs etc movement but wont be good enough for any serious, as in large quantity, materiel supply for the offensive.
>Two explosions and a fire occurred near Dzhankoy in Krasnohvardiis'kyi district, Russian controlled Crimea this morning.
I'm sure it's nothing anon. Aren't you feeling sleepy?
Honestly I could go for a smoke
>Crimea is hard to breach for land troops
lol no it isn't.
>but muh chokepoint
it turns out to limit the defense more than the offense.
Meh, if commies managed to do it century back, I don't see a reason why ukies could not do it
Defensive advantage is strong in 2023. This is caused by many things, but a big one is that aerial control often dictates battles and being able to set up aerial defenses both in terms of being able to set up less-mobile anti-air machinery and optimal positioning for all your assets. It becomes a struggle for the attackers to break the defender's setup.
So crimea will likely stay in Russian hands.
I don't know how exactly would they defend it if the land bridge and the Krech bridge are both taken out. Crimea would have to be supplied by the navy, but Ukraine is already striking Crimean harbors, so I'm not sure if you could effectively supply it that way.
The Whites at that time held out for long but that was before long-range artillery and airstrikes, so they could be very safely supplied from the sea. This isn't tha case anymore.
Russian civil war was like an Army Men game, they had Red army, White army, Black army and Green army
Army Men is the shit and 3DO produced kino. Fuck anyone who says or thinks otherwise.
>It's another "I don't understand force multipliers" post
There's a reason this war has devolved back into trench warfare, dumbass. Ukraine will likely need to do an amphibious landing on the northwestern coast to secure their bridgehead south.
>heh heh, silly hohols
>we will just artillery the isthmus
>gets HIMARS'd back to Yalta
Yeah what "force" multiplier can out-range HIMARS?
Face it, if Ukraine gets over the Dniper its GG for Crimea. What Russia has accomplished since Kherson/Kharkiv has been due to their last wave of conscripts, plus the convict brigades. These are both a one-time use advantage that has been depleted. Russia will not stand for non-churkas/non-prisoner scum getting blown apart.
The next few months will see Russia getting more and more desperate, but the fact is it was over when they lost all of their actually good equipment and actually well-trained professional army. They've been up against the wall for the last 12 months, and it is only going to get worse. Ukraine WANTS to fight and has Western industry revving up, which makes it sustainable in all the ways Russia's operations are not.
not for trucks tho.
>Is Crimea actually in play? No meme answers.
are you fucking dumb or something?
if the Uki go to the coast, then Crimea is in range on everything they have (drones, missiles, artillery)...
and if they manage to cut the bridge again then the russian will literally starve.
I'm no expert in the history of that area of the world, I am pro-Ukraine almost without reservation.
Crimea is in play, but "No peace without Crimea" might be against Ukraine's interest. Crimea is a tough one because its identity is so different from that of Ukraine. There's an argument to be made for self-determination. The vast majority of people there are ethnic Russian and Russian-speaking. Unlike Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine proper, it seems like most Crimeans genuinely want to be Russian rather than Ukrainian.
I think it's fair game for Ukraine though and an assault on Crimea is in their interest once Ukraine proper is liberated. If Ukraine does launch a major assault on Crimea, I'd like to see humanitarian corridors and aid moderated by Turkey and a UN-moderated vote for the future of Crimea that lets the Crimeans decide their fate.
>muh self determination
donbabwe and luganda is also full of gopniks who mysteriously appeared there after 2014. guess what will happen to them? you're acting like crimea being annexed was of economic self interest to them. why yes the soil drying and tourism dying is really helpful. thats the thing with pidors, the few people that genuinely cared about muh separatism were opportunists who thought they could get more money in their pocket. you bet your ass that there are people with inner resentment there, even from the ones who haven't fled.
>Crimea is in play, but "No peace without Crimea" might be against Ukraine's interest.
If you let Russia take any territory, you are rewarding its aggression - it will just try again later. Total de-occupation is a bare minimum for Ukraine
>The vast majority of people there are ethnic Russian and Russian-speaking
not once the ukrainians are done with them lol.
>The vast majority of people there are ethnic Russian and Russian-speaking.
How is this a valid argument?
yes, and when the ukies close the land bridge and start shelling the kerch bridge holding crimea will be incredibly hard for pussia
The Russian Orthodox Church is blasphemous using even the most basic non denominational definitions of blasphemy.
>the loser cries out from his basement "it's the joooooooos, russia is traaaaaaad"
"A 2015 study found that the canal had been providing 85% of Crimea's water prior to the 2014 shutdown. Of the water from the canal, 72% went to agriculture and 10% to industry, while water for drinking and other public uses made up 18%."
NuPrepHole is a fucking shithole infested with fucking reddit gays.
Cut the North canal and Crimea and its population is done.
They have been living without it from 2014 till 2022.
You think this war is about Ukraine? It will be whatever seems politically plausible in the west. Expect a stalemate in similar borders like 2014 for a decade. Crimea and Donbass will not be returned in the foreseeable future, Mauripol has a decent chance, though.
Sorry to bust your optimism, there are no nice wrap ups here
Shitholes in the east will remain, Tigray will supply us with more blacks, Yemen too, Sahel ofc, Libya will too and all the browns will use these to get to white countries because we allow garden gnomes to run shit and women vote
I am demoralized. I’m moving to Russia
Bad news for you then, Russia is infested with muzzies and it's a dirty muddy shithole people run away form
They have all the resources and are worse than... Well, Croatia that has 0 resources and Croats are shit at managing an economy
They still have it and can fix it if its damaged, ships exist and can be ramped up, desalinization exists (Israel) , pipelines can be put
Unless you think things like official or unofficial truces will not happen ever.
There is no realistic killer app here. It has stalemate written all over it, and is fairly common thing.
Like in Georgia, Korea, NaghorrorCuckkebap in Kavkaz, Kosovo sort of, Parcel islands, West Sahara, West Bank and Golan and Sudan
it was too expensive for Russia and they couldn't get it to work. A google search would save you from looking like fucking retard.
And now Saudi Arabia is a Russian ally, and they do know how to get it to work. A google search would have saved you from looking like a fucking retard.
>looking like fucking retard
lol fuck off back to your shithold thirdie
>Saudi Arabia is a Russian ally
yes. now fuck off back to your mud hut and fuck your goat. the adults in the room are talking.
Cool. So, what support have they given to Russia? Sent weapons and ammo? Back their claims in Ukraine? Anything an ally would do for an ally?
Not him and I think he's full of shit but technically we have seen Fagner suicide boys holding ARs instead of glorious fatherland Kalashnikov rifle, so it's possible they're getting them from someone nominally US-aligned and the gay sand nation that funds terrorists isn't a bad guess.
>having a few ARs is proof of being supplied by the US or a US allied nation
I didn't say that. I said it was POSSIBLE. the most likely answer is that they're looting them like
said. In just pointing out an example of a thing that could be the result of what he said, even if I think it's unlikely (and as I said, I think he's full of shit).
Acknowledgement of a possibility does not mean you believe a thing is true.
and it's possible that me owning a swiss army knife means i'm a swiss guard. there are so many AR's and AR like rifles all around the world in the hands of hundreds of armies, law enforcement agencies, civilians, criminals, poachers, rebels, terrorists, etc. that it means fuck all. some chechens and other elements of russian forces rode into battle with western weapons and kit on day 1 - they bought them. some they probably took off ukies to make use of captured ammuntion. there is no need to invoke some secret saudi plan to supply russia. the saudis might a bunch of slimy retards, but they know which side their bread is buttered on and they know that every single move they make is watched by US and US aligned intelligence.
The simplest answer is that they've been picking them up off dead Ukies. Thinking about how starved Wagner has been for supplies of anything at all, looting weapons makes sense. And it's not like 5.56 is an insurmountable hurdle logistically either. Tula/monarch (all the same shit) makes a fuckton of steel cased 5.56.
Russia does also produce AR-15s. Mosty civilian but a military trigger group wouldn't be too hard to get for a group like Wagner.
Chinese companies like Norinco have also produced AR-15s
There are also captures (both in theater and out of theatre from places like Afghanistan), purchases through shell companies, rifles fallen off the back of the wagon, thefts and resales, there's a bunch of reasonable explanations before we get to direct support.
you need about 5-10m3 of fresh water per person per day in temperate climates (that's counting all uses - domestic, agricultural, industrial.) let's say you can ration that down to 2m3 per person per day - that's still 2GW worth of power generation for reverse osmosis desalination. that's about 16,000 tons of coal a day.
post hands gay
it seems to me like you are filthy fucking vatnik.
post ID to be taken seriously again,
Nice ad hominem buddeh
I'm Croatian and my dad killed Serbs and Spetznatz in the war. I'm also a libertarian, bit racist, however I'm not sucking government dick like you are.
There is nor romantic conclusion here, its ethnic violence and borders are fucked. Shit will not be resolved fast and everyone will make compromises.
Get the naive optimistic narratives out of your head.
Either that or pipelines or massive water restrictions. They will need to adapt. Do you think they will just pick up and leave?
Millions of civvies and conscripts with small arms defending their homes and being supplied by the Ogre. It will be the same as Donbass and other examples.
This is not going to be a conventional warfare at all, Bakhmut is a fucking village in the field and Russians are attacking it and not defending it.
Smart way (not losing west and 20 thousands of guys) would be if Ukraine took it's time, built an interdiction navy, helis, bunch of crack troops 3 to 1 at least, have combined warfare drilled into their minds with jets and arty and ships and drones, have assistance of the west ofc, and then attack in at once just totally owerhelming everyone and then just shill out billions in bribes to the populace and give them autonomy.
Its legit way to conquer, probably only way that works unless ethnic cleansing is allowed.
This does not seem realistic at all, honestly. It's way more probable they will just slug out in the plains, Ruskies will fall back to 2014 and everyone will push for truce and that is it.
May I say new Korea?
I'm too Croatian and my dad killed Serbs to
You are disgrace to our country you fucking gay. Your broken English says more about the lack of mental capacity more then any argument you will ever make.
All arguments you made here are without any valid source and devoid of any sense.
Do our country a favour and don't have any kids.
Slusaj rista, ceg se ti napusavas? Jel se uopce sjecas kako rat izgleda i kako se odvijao?
Usput jel zbilja se osvrces na mentalne kapacitete gledajuci tipfelere na anonimnom forumu gdje pisem prek moba?
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I ne, nisi Hrvat, ja sam I to iskljucivo vec bar 300 godina, zaradjujem vise od tebe I doslovce moji su bili jako vazni u osnivanju RH i ja sam bio u pelenama tamo u NK Borac ako znas na kaj mislim a neznas jer si shill.
Nema brzog kraja, nikada. Politicare ce zabolit kita, rayethon treba love a EU ce zaokupiti nes trece
Ti si retardirani kozojeb i herceg bosne i treba te pokopat zajedno sa smećem od bandića pederčino šugava
Zagrepcanin. Dokazano neznas o cem pricam, izdao si se.
Nije bilo toliko ercegovana 89' u tom politickom miljeu na toj geografskoj lokaciji. SKH isprdci su se nasrali kasnije
Doslovce sam se svadjao s ljudima koji su birali Bandica. Popusi mi.
I da nes naucis - nevezano uz ovaj govnoslov kaj jebemo ovdje - pogledaj koliko je zidova bilo u vladi NDH. Nenromalno puno, braca Kvaternik, sef zandamerije, tajne sluzbe, vojne obavjestajne, kontraadmrirali, dopoglavnici, doslovce dva sefa Jasenovca ( jedan se zvao doslovce Bethlehem ). Kaj god se ne slagali oko cega, neka bar ovo kazem jer ipak smo Hrvati nedam zidovima ni ikom drugom da nam seru sa strange. Jebem mu Bandica sa onim retardiranim spomenicima kod kolodvora
I ZET i Holding
mani se droge, šizovreni rusofilu, jebali te židovi
Doslovce niti kavu ne pijem, ni alkohol, ni cigarette, ni drogu
Ne volim ruse a niti ukrajince niti rumunje niti bugare itd
Skepticar sam sto je poprilicno drukciji od skrizofrenije.
Samo proguglaj imena, ja jesam, zbilja jesu. Slobodno mi sada kakaj kako nisam linkao na wiki svakog od imena.
Joj! Jesam jednog! Ok sad kenjaj kako Wikipedia laze.
Krenuo si s ad hominem, lazno i prljavo me optuzio za rusofiliju, kako sam bosanac i/ili hercegovac, kako bolujem od skrizofrenije i kako se ne bih trebao razmnozavati.
Sada okreces na to kako moje porijeklo nije vazno odjednom jer ti se svadja I zelis biti destruktivan. Mozda, neznam.
Zamjecujem previse emocija oko neceg sto 1000km daleko, toliko jakih da vec ocekujem da i ako kazem kako je voda mokra ti bi se htio cerupati.
Iskreno, idem si spremiti Bolognese u koje cu staviti lijekove za skrizofreniju jer ocito si strucnjak. Doslovce na ovom mjestu nema mjesta za nijanse ili civiliziranu raspravu, dodusue neznam kaj ocekujem, biz su shitcoini, pol je trump, fit su skinny fat slabici, k nije o oruzju neg o taktickoj prednosti ubaci neku pizdariju, g su bolje da ne velim.
>t. odjebi debilu kamenjarski skizofrenicni nepismeni nazad na reddit
>Doslovce niti kavu ne pijem, ni alkohol, ni cigarette, ni drogu
ma nema šta, nietzsche pisao o tebi u onim svojim knjigama. koga boli kurac.
>Skepticar sam sto je
in this moment i am euphoric, not because...
cek ono nije bio neki bait?
let me laugh even harder
oj bože dragi, idi jebi nešto mali.
>moji su bili jako vazni
ne razgovoram sa "tvojima" ne s tobom. zamisli biti toliko retardiran i hvalit se stvarima koje je NAVODNO tvoj stari napravio. Koji si ti jebeni kreten
na tebi je da ti citiraš svoje tvrdnje kozojebu zadrti, tako svari funkcioniraju van kozojebske bosne
>Do you think they will just pick up and leave?
Yes, thirst kills faster than starvation and most of Crimea is basically semi-arid, with few freshwater reserves.
Pipelines won't be built as they will just be bombed. Shipping water in has the same problem.
>Millions of civvies and conscripts with small arms defending their homes and being supplied by the Ogre.
The same small arms that Russia is having trouble supplying to their front-line units. Not a paramilitary on the other side of a severed bridge and with supply ships and ferries under constant risk of Neptune attack from Melitopol or Mariupol?
Many such cases
>I'm also a libertarian
Admitting you are profoundly retarded right out loud at the beginning of your spew ... very bold opening strategery.
> Jesus Christ, the spellchecker no longer flags "strategery." What a fucking timeline.
>They will need to adapt
to what? oil as a refreshment?
>Either that or pipelines or massive water restrictions. They will need to adapt.
Why would they? Because Putin says so?
>They have been living without it from 2014 till 2022.
because they had kerch bridge you fucking retarded moron
Do you know when it was buit?
yes and before it was build they had huge problems:
they struggled in peace time to supply water you FUCKING gay, how do you think they will fare in the middle of war????
Same or a bit worse. They will have issues and will have to manage water very carefully, agriculture will be a very tricky and expensive endeavor, tourism will be iffy in the first years of stalemates, later it might pick up but Crimea will need Russian economic subsidies to avoid big loss in standard of living - those farmers will need some loans or outright guaranteed sell price from the government in short to medium turn, long term they will have to adapt which will be painful even with desalinization and water being pumped from Russia (with reservoirs in Crimea if Ukies strike) and will take 5 years to figure out
I’m going to call you a retard when you’re proven wrong btw
lmao fuck off vatnik fag
Literally, "we manage this better than eu"
I have 0 idea wtf are you talking about
They will need to strictly manage water resources if they are lacking, and subsidies will be needed till they sort of fix the issue. What is so outrageous here?
I legit think that you are either being intentionally unconstructive because you are emotionally involved in this Asian conflict, or vatnik trying to make Ukies look irrational cunts, or Ukie, or just a western fag that sees everyone as a Russian spy
There really can be more sides than just globohomo and vatnikhomo. And there is no romantic ends in this and there never were in history, wars are political and cynical to the higher ups, it's romantic just for the guys going to the fight and guys looking from far away
No I don’t think you’re a shill
I think you’re a smug midwit and I’m going to be smug when you’re proven wrong.
>needed till they sort of fix the issue
because Russian don't have experts to hand anything complex (since most of them ran away from Russia in the last 30 years) and they are sanctioned to shit.
>Expect a stalemate
>It has stalemate written all over it
They are orthodox Asians, not protestant Danes or Catholic Koreans. Fuck em all.
Its going to be hard to allow an expulsion of millions of Russians from Krim, way too many live there way too long - I mean Stalin removed the Tatars.
It going to take a lot of lying, scheming, gaslighting to make the western populace support an ethnic cleansing. But then again we did suck Corona dick, we did suck migrant dick, we did suck female voting for the western demise dick, we did suck the "let's have same mininal rate capital gains tax dick", we did suck help subhumans to lay even more subhumans dick (there are 130 million Ethiopians, they get 30mil every 10 years)
if the next counteroffensive is successful, yes.
Honestly, no. Because if Ukraine is able to threaten Crimea then I think Russia will accept a settlement that favours Ukraine. And with this, expect the West to pressure Ukraine heavily to accept the offer and end the war. Ukraine obviously would prefer to recover all territories taken by force.
>mfw another battle for Balaklava
>mfw charge of the Blyat Brigade
>mfw Thin Red Line of Cope
Please, I just want to be entertained
>An atheist might not understand this, but this is a profound offense in Christianity
You gays haven't been able to STOP killing each other over retarded religious dogma for thousands of years. At some point you need to see through the bullshit and realise most of the religious differences are manufactured to further political ambitions. The Pope suddenly deciding he is the one who decides who gets to be Roman Emperor and ceasing to recognise the guy in Constantinople being a great example.
Anon I don’t think it’s wise to talk about “enlightened atheism” and Russia in the same room
He's full of shit anyway. Killing anyone is a sin, there's no special provision for killing christians.
Murder specifically, self defense isn’t
I do wonder how many people read John 8:42-47 and maybe question their stances and actions…
By the way. Is it know how Russia broke out of the peninsula so easily in first days of the war?
Was it treason on part of some Ukrainian officers?
>Was it treason on part of some Ukrainian officers?
That seems to be the story told by ukrainians:
>On April 1, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismissed two senior officials of Ukraine’s SBU domestic security agency, including the head of the Kherson regional branch, stripping their rank as generals for violating their military oath of allegiance. He called them “anti-heroes” and said they “had trouble determining where their Fatherland is.”
>He added: “I don’t have time now to deal with all the traitors, but they will all face punishment.”
>In addition, an aide to one of those SBU officials was arrested and faces prosecution for allegedly handing over maps of minefields and helping coordinate Russian airstrikes that aided Moscow’s forces, said Oleksandr Samoilenko, head of Kherson’s regional legislature.
Basically it was the only place where russian subversion was able to turn locals before the invasion.
People do not matter, they can easily be removed.
are you admitting ukraine genocided them?
The Russians did hilariously
They will Not be easily removed if President Putin is protecting them from luciferian globalists such as yourself.
Putin will be dead soon.
LOL , in 2 more weeks when your "Spring " offensive starts
Maybe less. Or more. Does not matter really.
Pidors will kill him. No need for Chadkranians to bother.
I mean if Putin keeps pushing Wagner they just fucking might
The only thing putin was ever protecting was his gilded toilet bowl which he worships.
Those people are no longer alive.
Western propaganda trumpets greatness. Wonder weapons such as the Abrams M1A1 will roll uinimpeded to Moscow during the great "Spring" offensive. Then when nothing can be accomplished against the people fighting the luciferian globalists the same devils that trumpeted their propaganda smugly announce, albeit quietly
> Does not matter really.
Oh man that’s some primo scizo doomer nonsense.
>deliberately memoryholing that Crimea voted for independence by majority in 1991
>deliberately memoryholing that Ukraine held elections in 2014, 2015 and 2019
>deliberately memoryholing that Zelensky was the pro-peace moderate and russian speaking candidate
You're not in 4chan, zigger.
Crimea will be taken back, because Ukraine is not going to renounce to the oil/gas resources around it, and the military threat it means to their underbelly and commerce through the Black Sea. The collaborators and the post 2014 russian colonists will be BTFO.
vanya, the region party never said they were going to join russia or anything remotely close, so shut the fuck up and go backto 4chan, peole here actually have brains and can fact check
>complain about complete schizo posts getting deleted
>and probably deleted them by himself anyway because jannies are lazy fucks
if the ukies take the right bank, crimea losses its land bridge plus all its water for agriculture. plus the ukies can attack the kerch bridge and fire anti-ship missiles on any ship approaching crimea from the azov sea. putins current strategy is to stall out the war to 5-10 years until the west gets bored any forces ukraine into a treaty that at least leaves him crimea some token gains in donbabwe and luganda. crimea won't last 2 years if the land bridge is gone, the kerch bridge is destroyed and ships coming from rostov are at least under threat.
if the ukies take melitopol they're halfway to retaking crimea.
No. The geography of Crimea makes it a difficult target to take without significant bottlenecking, which even vatnik's could take advantage of. Moreover, Ukraine lacks any signfiicant naval assets, making landing or supporting troops via sea a non-option. Moreover, the Black Sea fleet could move in and cause major disruption to Ukrainian forces. It's possible Ukraine could seriously damage said fleet (missiles on trucks cost little) but if Crimea was threatened, there would be more than just seethe coming from Russia. In this case, unironically, the gloves would come off, as Putin cannot be seen as to be losing ground from 2014. However, it would still be funny to see
Siege it. Cut off fresh water, blow the Kerch bridge, sink anything that tries to dock at Sevastopol. Being full of Russian soldiers will actually work against it if they can't be supplied or affect a breakout.
Sieging it would basically be impossible because Ukraine has no way of taking over the West side of it. Sure, Ukraine could hold the bridges and stop all land travel, but if needs be, Russia will just drop shit in. Again, if air isn't possible, the Black Sea boats will do it.
Furthermore, if Ukraine tried to siege it on land via the bridges, Russia would attack Ukrainian forces both from Crimea itself and coming down onto them. Ukraine would have to fight a two-front campaign which they would probably lose.
What the fuck are you talking about Boris?
>Russia will just drop shit in
Yeah, all supplies 2 million civilians plus 50-100k soldiers need. Just ferry that shit using planes and choppers - through the most dangerous airspace on the planet. The few ships that the black sea fleet possess will also just sail past all the anti-ship missiles the Ukies would have lining the sea of Azov in that scenario. But wait: there's the south coast! Brilliant, only problem is freight ports like Yalta are not exactly that large - they're mainly tourist towns. Would it be enough for Crimeans not to starve? Sure. Would it severely degrade the civilian and military capabilities of Crimea to maintain basic services and resist attack. Also puttin a huge strain on the already fucked up Russian economy and infrastructure? What do you think?
Sorry, I meant that Ukraine couldn't control the east side of Crimea when trying to take over, so Russia could ferry supplies. I concede however that those supplies wouldn't be enough for the entire region. However, there is one more thing I forgot to mention in sieging it. The human cost.
The rest of the Western world would not look kindly on a siege that results in mass civilian casualties, which it undoubtedly will. There is also no way those civilians can be safely moved as Russia will likely infiltrate them or just ignore any cordons just as they have done in the past. They also might not let civilians leave. Sieging a castle is one thing. Sieging an island is another. It would take years for everything to run out.
A siege will cause mass casualties which will cause problems in the West because the public will see the starved bodies and think Ukraine is evil for doing it.
>The rest of the Western world would not look kindly on a siege that results in mass civilian casualties, which it undoubtedly will. There is also no way those civilians can be safely moved as Russia will likely infiltrate them or just ignore any cordons just as they have done in the past. They also might not let civilians leave. Sieging a castle is one thing. Sieging an island is another. It would take years for everything to run out.
>A siege will cause mass casualties which will cause problems in the West because the public will see the starved bodies and think Ukraine is evil for doing it.
"Avenge Mariupol!" will likely be the rallying cry, and if Russia bitches/whines about it, ask them about Kalinigrad and where the Germans went.
At best, Ukraine may allow for a UN sanctioned ferry/evacuation of civilians from Crimea, otherwise it's going to be a complete turkeyshoot of anything in the Sea of Azov or anything attempting to leave Crimean ports.
You are also forgetting an important reality about East Crimea, it simply lacks a naval port, which the right amount of logistics[railroad/highways] for any supplying of the Russian forces to be viable. Crimea is a fucking deathtrap for the Russians, and this was the entire reason they were so desperate to score the landbridge in the first place.
>You are also forgetting an important reality about East Crimea, it simply lacks a naval port
I'm not sure how key the navy will be to the defense of Crimea and beyond that Crimea has other non-naval ports. Yes, logistics for the peninsula are gonna get fucked, but Ukraine is going to have to actually take down shit like Feodosiya to fuck it completely.
The problem is the majority of port infrastructure is in Sevastapol, there are very few rail lines in Crimea, and Ukraine only has to hold a portion of Crimea to bring Sevastapol into missile range.
>The problem is the majority of port infrastructure is in Sevastapol
Majority, not entirety. Feodosiya's port is about half the size of Sevastopol's.
Listen, I actually fundamentally agree with your conclusion that it's gonna be an absolute shitshow, but I'm taking issue with how you're presenting how it would come about.
Ukraine will need to push SE enough to put the bridge and eastern ports in missile range before the situation becomes untenable for Russia, though I think Russia would likely start evacuating before then like in Kherson. Frankly that won't even be that far SE. If they can get Neptune's about 1/3rd down the peninsula, that's enough, that would also be enough to endanger Sevastopol. If most of Crimea is lucky, it will be spared heavy fighting.
>Ukraine couldn't control the east side of Crimea
If the Ukies take Mariupol, the sea corridor from Rostov to Crimea (or the kerch straight) is 30km wide. From Berdyansk it's 50km. From South of Melitopol it's 80km form eastern Crimean shores and about 120km for the kerch straight. The Neptune has a range 280km. If you mean to ship huge quantities of supplies in from Sochi - lol, good luck.
>The human cost.
The human cost of the continued invasion os pretty big too. The west isn't as retarded as you think. You can just invade and then go: "if you fight back, you yourself will cause human suffering to us." Nobody will cry too much about poor, poor Russians starving while squatting on Ukrainian soil.
Not right now, and unlike the rest of this war, an offensive in Crimea, if Ukraine is really considering that, would have to be on winter, not on spring/summer
I've thought no way for the past entire year but the more ridiculous this becomes for Russia, the more I'm starting to believe the Uk's can take it. I know it's supposed to be well defended, but I'm having real doubts that Russia actually spent the money to defend it. I would be almost bet any money allocated to build fortifications was just used by the local governor to buy yachts and seaside mansions. I just can't take them seriously anymore,.
Depends. Do you believe the Russians in Crimea actually built defenses or just embezzled the funds?
Do you even have to ask?
>russian can simply ship everything to crimea!
ok, that's a fucking huge logistical hurdle, the fact a blockade is not watertight is not synonymous with it being ineffective.
Not gonna happen. Ukraine simply doesn't have the expendable manpower for such an operation without putting their current defenses at risk. Putin will just keep throwing bodies at the problem, while Ukraine cannot. Yes, Ukraine has support from the West, but the West isn't sending soldiers or other useful bodies for defence. Weapons are only so good and so plentiful as the people with hands to wield them.
The truth people don't want to face is that while it's pretty certain Ukraine will be able to defend it's current positions, any real offensive action will either be incredibly costly while achieving little, or not occur at all. The only land Ukraine will likely gain back from the Russians will be the ones that seething mercenaries run from after throwing one too many bodies at the Ukrainian defence. Ukraine is far too cautious and won't be making any major troop offensives. Missiles and artillery of course, but no mass movements of troops.
The war will end in a stalemate. Russia will ruin it's non-existent reputation for lands it already quasi-owned in 2014 while trying to spin it off as a win, and Ukraine will lose yet another little bit of territory until monke tries again in another five years.
wtf, how did I double post
it said ABORTED so I added another sentence since I had to type the CAPTCHA anyway
>taken by force
I'm not convinced Ukraine can do that.
>taken in peace deal
If Ukraine just keeps blowing up Russian refineries, ports, power plants ect. eventually Putin will realize he has to give up Crimea to stop the attacks.