Is Bakhmut the first successful siege by a private corporation?

Or did some Swiss mercenaries do it before in the 1600s?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no not even close to being the first

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are some earlier ones? Preferably Swiss if possible

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Something like 13.000 BCE. The egypts at the time fielded whole armies of mercs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      More pertinently, not even close to being successful.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Plenty of Italian merc companies did so centuries before the swiss

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries and ended up taking over most of the island. The East India Trading Company subjugated a subcontinent. Wagner taking a year to grind away at a mid-sized city is child’s play to historical mercenaries.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Wagner ain't got nothing on the East India Company.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries
      No.
      >The East India Trading Company
      East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Who is Vortigern?
        >What's a Hengist and a Horsa?
        >Geoffrey of Monmouth? The Venerable Bede? Are those Game of Thrones characters?
        >Historia Brittonum? Now you're just making up words!

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >>Who is Vortigern?
          >>What's a Hengist and a Horsa?
          Mythical figures.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This has to be a bait.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Google it. It was called the East India Company. No "Trading." Look up East India TRADING Company and you'll find it's a made-up entity from Pirates of the Caribbean. It's not my fault that you don't know this.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            i bet you're fun around the dinner table

            > m-muh eastern indian company n-not the movie one
            > sure anon, just like that mongolian basket weaving

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
        Are you saying that the Pirates of the Caribbean are made up?!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
        The deadliest skirmish saw like seven men dead.
        The race to chart waterways was more exciting.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >East India Trading Company

      Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company

      >Hudson’s Bay Company
      These. You literally cannot imagine living in a world where a private company decides to annex random land because browns live there

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company

      can we bring companies like this back when we colonize space? we need a wild frontier again.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Another shoutout to the Norman/Italian/Spanish/etc mercenaries who took over much of Southern Italy and Greece while the Byzantines were slowly collapsing.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Successful?

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good cat.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >successful

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Private

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >east india company sieges and conquers hundreds of pajeet cities while being heavilly outnumbered
    >vatnigs barely capture a coty despite having every advantage
    >iz dis da foist successsful sieggee
    Shut up homie

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but you're comparing shit between two easter euro nations and the worlds largest most advanced empire vs some indians 200 years behind in technology.

      Might as well compare Bakhmut to the conquistadors vs aztecs. I think the poster was more interested about something more relevant to today.

      Did blackwater ever siege anything or just protect oil refineries?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The British Empire was not the largest or most powerful when they took over India and it took them a long time to do it. This is the same weird cope I've seen some Americans take when they bring up the War of Independence thinking that we beat the largest empire in the world all on our lonesome. Forgetting Britain was basically a literal who colonially at that point and we had the French, Dutch and Spanish on our side - nations that were relevant (Spain being the largest empire in the world at the time). As for the Indians being 200 years behind in technology. They had guns and cannons just like everybody did. The East India Company took over the place like how all large empires did - divide and conquer. You team up with nation state X to take on nation state Y. With nation state Y defeated you then take on nation state X with nation state Q. With nation state X defeated you take on nation state Q with nation state R. Nation state R then agrees to become part of your shit diplomatically, so you then turn to nation state P and use the newly conquered stuff to beat them. Rinse and repeat, buying loyalty along the way and ta-da. Empire.

        Had the Indian states all teamed up together as India is right now then they'd have kicked the French, Portuguese and British out. Or at least kicked them out of the 99% of the place. Goa and so on would have existed purely because trade.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          As much as you'd like to hype this up, ya'll took over a bunch of savages, same as aztecs. Please, tell more about India was on the same level of technological advancenent as the British. You sound moronic

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're a moron. Shut up, moron.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ya'll took over a bunch of savages
            The Khalsa was right proper, real lush like, trained and equiped according to western standards.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Didn't honestly know you guys enjoyed sucking your own dicks about history so much. This is almost as pathetic as americans bragging about kicking ass in vietnam or middle east

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ignorant and proud of it
                Read a book or something, you actual moron. The company forces were overwhelmingly made up of streetshitters.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >oi m8 we conquered ourselves right proper and gave the queen all our wealth, so really it was a sound indian victory innit
                lmao

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                When you make it personal, you automatically lose your point

                https://i.imgur.com/i1PY9Q5.png

                >ignorant and proud of it
                Read a book or something, you actual moron. The company forces were overwhelmingly made up of streetshitters.

                That is equivalent of a Russian or American general commanding some african tribe whilst supplying them with the most advanced arms and equipment to fight another african tribe with the shittiest equipment and objectively worse everything else.

                Your whole point is in shambles. I just don't know why you're trying to undermine British advantage when everyone knows how it is essentially the main reason they won. This is some uber-patriotic and close minded view on par with some ww2 boomer in Russia who thinks they can invade and crush Nato with USA at the same time or some boomer in USA who thinks they won WW2 or that Vietnam wasn't a pointless loss of men, money and time.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                didn't read

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >bro if we weren't moronic streetshitting mudeaters, we could have won
          but you are moronic streetshitting mudeaters, so you lost humiliatingly, and continue to do so. India's entire history going back beyond recorded documents and straight into the times of legends and myths is literally all just
          >white people came
          >killed and conquered
          >took all our stuff
          >made us slaves
          and repeat. A few times it was Turks instead of white people. First it was the Aryans, then thousands upon thousands of years of other Iranic steppe nomads rolling up on the place and doing the same thing their ancestors did time and time again, then the Turks did it, finally European colonial powers did it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The British Empire was not the largest or most powerful when they took over India and it took them a long time to do it. This is the same weird cope I've seen some Americans take when they bring up the War of Independence thinking that we beat the largest empire in the world all on our lonesome. Forgetting Britain was basically a literal who colonially at that point and we had the French, Dutch and Spanish on our side - nations that were relevant (Spain being the largest empire in the world at the time). As for the Indians being 200 years behind in technology. They had guns and cannons just like everybody did. The East India Company took over the place like how all large empires did - divide and conquer. You team up with nation state X to take on nation state Y. With nation state Y defeated you then take on nation state X with nation state Q. With nation state X defeated you take on nation state Q with nation state R. Nation state R then agrees to become part of your shit diplomatically, so you then turn to nation state P and use the newly conquered stuff to beat them. Rinse and repeat, buying loyalty along the way and ta-da. Empire.

        Had the Indian states all teamed up together as India is right now then they'd have kicked the French, Portuguese and British out. Or at least kicked them out of the 99% of the place. Goa and so on would have existed purely because trade.

        Kinda true, but it also glossed over the fact the British won some outstanding victories at Assaye and other places and mostly with Indian troops, so they could fight. Like the technology advantage was there but it was more a factor of familiarity with the technology as opposed to having it. Having cannon and having cannon and 200 years of institutional knowledge of how to use it properly are 2 different things

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        India in the 1700s was not some fainthearted backwater, they had the highest standard of living in the world and had plenty of guns and cannons (Mysore even developed practical rockets later iterated on by British forces).

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No not close to being the first and they won’t be the last.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cikings were doing it centuries ago. They weren't incorporated on a stock exchange, but viking raids were a private business venture.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I bet White Company was involved in countless sieges.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bakhmut isn't even a siege.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if you can count it as a proper siege but the events that lead up to the first Punnic wars started when the Mamertines, a band of Italic mercenaries released from Syracusan service seized the Greek polis of Messina by trickery and set up a bandit state in North Eastern Sicily.
    One thing led to another and they found themselves fighting the Syracusans, appealing for help from the Carthaginians, who promptly seized Messania and then sent a delegation to Rome appealing for THEIR help against the Carthaginians.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are we back to pretending the Russians have taken Bakhmut?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's legally captured, ukrops have 14 days to turn over the keys to the city or it'll go to court.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cont. when Europeans were taking over Ivory Coast they sold Africans guns in exchange for slaves and other goods. That does not mean the Africans were remotely close to Europeans in any capability.

    That is like giving a bunch of apes ak-47s and saying it is an equal fight. Pardon the analogy

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Before 1700 most armies were private.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If that half year long shitshow is a ''success' I hate to see what the hell a failure is.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wagner a shit historically speaking
    Besides the aforementioned East India company, you had the Dutch VOC and they legitimately went to war over spices.
    Also England got fricked once by a only part of the Hansa
    Even strictly military (at first) entities like the White Company or the Catalan Grand Company did feats Wagner could only dream of

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. See Disney's campaign against basic human decency and sense of self.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ???

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    VoC took several cities out east
    conditairi did take some towns
    a lot of late medieval armies where very mercenary heavy
    The conquistadors could be seen as mercs
    the normans conquered several cities while/after being hired as mercs
    Over a third of William the conquerors army was made up of Flemish mercenaries hired by his father in law the count of Flanders
    oh and you had this one city taken over by redundant mercs during on of the sicilian wars that led to the first punic war. Altough they where invited in first

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Private
    How do you explain the fact that it's completely funded and provided for by the putin's state? Do you think they bought their artillery, tanks and modern fighter jets on the nearby market, lol

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are we pretending that Wagner is a private company now? They get all their gear from the government.

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    That would require very liberally defining “successful”

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They legally captured it, which is all that matters for a private company.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ha ha, shit, I didn't think about it before, but maybe Priggy and his "legally captured" nonsense was about trying to claim the rumored bonus Wagner was supposed to get for capturing Bakhmut.

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >successful

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The entire military of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was based on mercenaries, plus magnates had private armies.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    homie a siege is small time, spanish mercenaries ruled parts of greece after slaughtering the local nobility.

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is the 30 years war?

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Succesful siege by a private corporation" would imply they finished the job.
    And, y'know, got paid.
    I think Prigozhin mostly works with an I.O.U system at the moment.

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, for two reasons. 1) it’s been done before by mercenary bands in Europe. 2)it isn’t successful lol, Russia STILL hasn’t taken the city

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