The Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries and ended up taking over most of the island. The East India Trading Company subjugated a subcontinent. Wagner taking a year to grind away at a mid-sized city is child’s play to historical mercenaries.
>Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries
No. >The East India Trading Company
East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
>Who is Vortigern? >What's a Hengist and a Horsa? >Geoffrey of Monmouth? The Venerable Bede? Are those Game of Thrones characters? >Historia Brittonum? Now you're just making up words!
Google it. It was called the East India Company. No "Trading." Look up East India TRADING Company and you'll find it's a made-up entity from Pirates of the Caribbean. It's not my fault that you don't know this.
> East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
Are you saying that the Pirates of the Caribbean are made up?!
Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
>Hudson’s Bay Company
These. You literally cannot imagine living in a world where a private company decides to annex random land because browns live there
Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
can we bring companies like this back when we colonize space? we need a wild frontier again.
Another shoutout to the Norman/Italian/Spanish/etc mercenaries who took over much of Southern Italy and Greece while the Byzantines were slowly collapsing.
>east india company sieges and conquers hundreds of pajeet cities while being heavilly outnumbered >vatnigs barely capture a coty despite having every advantage >iz dis da foist successsful sieggee
Shut up bro
Yeah, but you're comparing shit between two easter euro nations and the worlds largest most advanced empire vs some indians 200 years behind in technology.
Might as well compare Bakhmut to the conquistadors vs aztecs. I think the poster was more interested about something more relevant to today.
Did blackwater ever siege anything or just protect oil refineries?
The British Empire was not the largest or most powerful when they took over India and it took them a long time to do it. This is the same weird cope I've seen some Americans take when they bring up the War of Independence thinking that we beat the largest empire in the world all on our lonesome. Forgetting Britain was basically a literal who colonially at that point and we had the French, Dutch and Spanish on our side - nations that were relevant (Spain being the largest empire in the world at the time). As for the Indians being 200 years behind in technology. They had guns and cannons just like everybody did. The East India Company took over the place like how all large empires did - divide and conquer. You team up with nation state X to take on nation state Y. With nation state Y defeated you then take on nation state X with nation state Q. With nation state X defeated you take on nation state Q with nation state R. Nation state R then agrees to become part of your shit diplomatically, so you then turn to nation state P and use the newly conquered stuff to beat them. Rinse and repeat, buying loyalty along the way and ta-da. Empire.
Had the Indian states all teamed up together as India is right now then they'd have kicked the French, Portuguese and British out. Or at least kicked them out of the 99% of the place. Goa and so on would have existed purely because trade.
As much as you'd like to hype this up, ya'll took over a bunch of savages, same as aztecs. Please, tell more about India was on the same level of technological advancenent as the British. You sound retarded
Didn't honestly know you guys enjoyed sucking your own dicks about history so much. This is almost as pathetic as americans bragging about kicking ass in vietnam or middle east
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>ignorant and proud of it
Read a book or something, you actual retard. The company forces were overwhelmingly made up of streetshitters.
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>oi m8 we conquered ourselves right proper and gave the queen all our wealth, so really it was a sound indian victory innit
lmao
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When you make it personal, you automatically lose your point
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>ignorant and proud of it
Read a book or something, you actual retard. The company forces were overwhelmingly made up of streetshitters.
That is equivalent of a Russian or American general commanding some african tribe whilst supplying them with the most advanced arms and equipment to fight another african tribe with the shittiest equipment and objectively worse everything else.
Your whole point is in shambles. I just don't know why you're trying to undermine British advantage when everyone knows how it is essentially the main reason they won. This is some uber-patriotic and close minded view on par with some ww2 boomer in Russia who thinks they can invade and crush Nato with USA at the same time or some boomer in USA who thinks they won WW2 or that Vietnam wasn't a pointless loss of men, money and time.
>bro if we weren't retarded streetshitting mudeaters, we could have won
but you are retarded streetshitting mudeaters, so you lost humiliatingly, and continue to do so. India's entire history going back beyond recorded documents and straight into the times of legends and myths is literally all just >white people came >killed and conquered >took all our stuff >made us slaves
and repeat. A few times it was Turks instead of white people. First it was the Aryans, then thousands upon thousands of years of other Iranic steppe nomads rolling up on the place and doing the same thing their ancestors did time and time again, then the Turks did it, finally European colonial powers did it.
The British Empire was not the largest or most powerful when they took over India and it took them a long time to do it. This is the same weird cope I've seen some Americans take when they bring up the War of Independence thinking that we beat the largest empire in the world all on our lonesome. Forgetting Britain was basically a literal who colonially at that point and we had the French, Dutch and Spanish on our side - nations that were relevant (Spain being the largest empire in the world at the time). As for the Indians being 200 years behind in technology. They had guns and cannons just like everybody did. The East India Company took over the place like how all large empires did - divide and conquer. You team up with nation state X to take on nation state Y. With nation state Y defeated you then take on nation state X with nation state Q. With nation state X defeated you take on nation state Q with nation state R. Nation state R then agrees to become part of your shit diplomatically, so you then turn to nation state P and use the newly conquered stuff to beat them. Rinse and repeat, buying loyalty along the way and ta-da. Empire.
Had the Indian states all teamed up together as India is right now then they'd have kicked the French, Portuguese and British out. Or at least kicked them out of the 99% of the place. Goa and so on would have existed purely because trade.
Kinda true, but it also glossed over the fact the British won some outstanding victories at Assaye and other places and mostly with Indian troops, so they could fight. Like the technology advantage was there but it was more a factor of familiarity with the technology as opposed to having it. Having cannon and having cannon and 200 years of institutional knowledge of how to use it properly are 2 different things
India in the 1700s was not some fainthearted backwater, they had the highest standard of living in the world and had plenty of guns and cannons (Mysore even developed practical rockets later iterated on by British forces).
I don't know if you can count it as a proper siege but the events that lead up to the first Punnic wars started when the Mamertines, a band of Italic mercenaries released from Syracusan service seized the Greek polis of Messina by trickery and set up a bandit state in North Eastern Sicily.
One thing led to another and they found themselves fighting the Syracusans, appealing for help from the Carthaginians, who promptly seized Messania and then sent a delegation to Rome appealing for THEIR help against the Carthaginians.
Cont. when Europeans were taking over Ivory Coast they sold Africans guns in exchange for slaves and other goods. That does not mean the Africans were remotely close to Europeans in any capability.
That is like giving a bunch of apes ak-47s and saying it is an equal fight. Pardon the analogy
Wagner a shit historically speaking
Besides the aforementioned East India company, you had the Dutch VOC and they legitimately went to war over Hispanices.
Also England got fucked once by a only part of the Hansa
Even strictly military (at first) entities like the White Company or the Catalan Grand Company did feats Wagner could only dream of
VoC took several cities out east
conditairi did take some towns
a lot of late medieval armies where very mercenary heavy
The conquistadors could be seen as mercs
the normans conquered several cities while/after being hired as mercs
Over a third of William the conquerors army was made up of Flemish mercenaries hired by his father in law the count of Flanders
oh and you had this one city taken over by redundant mercs during on of the sicilian wars that led to the first punic war. Altough they where invited in first
>Private
How do you explain the fact that it's completely funded and provided for by the putin's state? Do you think they bought their artillery, tanks and modern fighter jets on the nearby market, lol
Ha ha, shit, I didn't think about it before, but maybe Priggy and his "legally captured" nonsense was about trying to claim the rumored bonus Wagner was supposed to get for capturing Bakhmut.
"Succesful siege by a private corporation" would imply they finished the job.
And, y'know, got paid.
I think Prigozhin mostly works with an I.O.U system at the moment.
no not even close to being the first
What are some earlier ones? Preferably Swiss if possible
Something like 13.000 BCE. The egypts at the time fielded whole armies of mercs.
More pertinently, not even close to being successful.
Plenty of Italian merc companies did so centuries before the swiss
The Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries and ended up taking over most of the island. The East India Trading Company subjugated a subcontinent. Wagner taking a year to grind away at a mid-sized city is child’s play to historical mercenaries.
This. Wagner ain't got nothing on the East India Company.
>Angles and Saxons came to Britain as mercenaries
No.
>The East India Trading Company
East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
>Who is Vortigern?
>What's a Hengist and a Horsa?
>Geoffrey of Monmouth? The Venerable Bede? Are those Game of Thrones characters?
>Historia Brittonum? Now you're just making up words!
>>Who is Vortigern?
>>What's a Hengist and a Horsa?
Mythical figures.
This has to be a bait.
Google it. It was called the East India Company. No "Trading." Look up East India TRADING Company and you'll find it's a made-up entity from Pirates of the Caribbean. It's not my fault that you don't know this.
i bet you're fun around the dinner table
> m-muh eastern indian company n-not the movie one
> sure anon, just like that mongolian basket weaving
> East India Company. East India Trading Company was made up for the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
Are you saying that the Pirates of the Caribbean are made up?!
Don’t forget Hudson’s Bay Company. They literally had their own currency based on beaver pelts. Had huge territory in Canada and the PNW. Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
>Waged literally wars agains the North West Company
The deadliest skirmish saw like seven men dead.
The race to chart waterways was more exciting.
>East India Trading Company
>Hudson’s Bay Company
These. You literally cannot imagine living in a world where a private company decides to annex random land because browns live there
can we bring companies like this back when we colonize space? we need a wild frontier again.
Another shoutout to the Norman/Italian/Spanish/etc mercenaries who took over much of Southern Italy and Greece while the Byzantines were slowly collapsing.
Successful?
>Russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut
Good cat.
>successful
>Private
>east india company sieges and conquers hundreds of pajeet cities while being heavilly outnumbered
>vatnigs barely capture a coty despite having every advantage
>iz dis da foist successsful sieggee
Shut up bro
Yeah, but you're comparing shit between two easter euro nations and the worlds largest most advanced empire vs some indians 200 years behind in technology.
Might as well compare Bakhmut to the conquistadors vs aztecs. I think the poster was more interested about something more relevant to today.
Did blackwater ever siege anything or just protect oil refineries?
The British Empire was not the largest or most powerful when they took over India and it took them a long time to do it. This is the same weird cope I've seen some Americans take when they bring up the War of Independence thinking that we beat the largest empire in the world all on our lonesome. Forgetting Britain was basically a literal who colonially at that point and we had the French, Dutch and Spanish on our side - nations that were relevant (Spain being the largest empire in the world at the time). As for the Indians being 200 years behind in technology. They had guns and cannons just like everybody did. The East India Company took over the place like how all large empires did - divide and conquer. You team up with nation state X to take on nation state Y. With nation state Y defeated you then take on nation state X with nation state Q. With nation state X defeated you take on nation state Q with nation state R. Nation state R then agrees to become part of your shit diplomatically, so you then turn to nation state P and use the newly conquered stuff to beat them. Rinse and repeat, buying loyalty along the way and ta-da. Empire.
Had the Indian states all teamed up together as India is right now then they'd have kicked the French, Portuguese and British out. Or at least kicked them out of the 99% of the place. Goa and so on would have existed purely because trade.
As much as you'd like to hype this up, ya'll took over a bunch of savages, same as aztecs. Please, tell more about India was on the same level of technological advancenent as the British. You sound retarded
You're a retard. Shut up, retard.
>ya'll took over a bunch of savages
The Khalsa was right proper, real lush like, trained and equiped according to western standards.
Didn't honestly know you guys enjoyed sucking your own dicks about history so much. This is almost as pathetic as americans bragging about kicking ass in vietnam or middle east
>ignorant and proud of it
Read a book or something, you actual retard. The company forces were overwhelmingly made up of streetshitters.
>oi m8 we conquered ourselves right proper and gave the queen all our wealth, so really it was a sound indian victory innit
lmao
When you make it personal, you automatically lose your point
That is equivalent of a Russian or American general commanding some african tribe whilst supplying them with the most advanced arms and equipment to fight another african tribe with the shittiest equipment and objectively worse everything else.
Your whole point is in shambles. I just don't know why you're trying to undermine British advantage when everyone knows how it is essentially the main reason they won. This is some uber-patriotic and close minded view on par with some ww2 boomer in Russia who thinks they can invade and crush Nato with USA at the same time or some boomer in USA who thinks they won WW2 or that Vietnam wasn't a pointless loss of men, money and time.
didn't read
>bro if we weren't retarded streetshitting mudeaters, we could have won
but you are retarded streetshitting mudeaters, so you lost humiliatingly, and continue to do so. India's entire history going back beyond recorded documents and straight into the times of legends and myths is literally all just
>white people came
>killed and conquered
>took all our stuff
>made us slaves
and repeat. A few times it was Turks instead of white people. First it was the Aryans, then thousands upon thousands of years of other Iranic steppe nomads rolling up on the place and doing the same thing their ancestors did time and time again, then the Turks did it, finally European colonial powers did it.
Kinda true, but it also glossed over the fact the British won some outstanding victories at Assaye and other places and mostly with Indian troops, so they could fight. Like the technology advantage was there but it was more a factor of familiarity with the technology as opposed to having it. Having cannon and having cannon and 200 years of institutional knowledge of how to use it properly are 2 different things
India in the 1700s was not some fainthearted backwater, they had the highest standard of living in the world and had plenty of guns and cannons (Mysore even developed practical rockets later iterated on by British forces).
No not close to being the first and they won’t be the last.
Cikings were doing it centuries ago. They weren't incorporated on a stock exchange, but viking raids were a private business venture.
I bet White Company was involved in countless sieges.
Bakhmut isn't even a siege.
I don't know if you can count it as a proper siege but the events that lead up to the first Punnic wars started when the Mamertines, a band of Italic mercenaries released from Syracusan service seized the Greek polis of Messina by trickery and set up a bandit state in North Eastern Sicily.
One thing led to another and they found themselves fighting the Syracusans, appealing for help from the Carthaginians, who promptly seized Messania and then sent a delegation to Rome appealing for THEIR help against the Carthaginians.
Are we back to pretending the Russians have taken Bakhmut?
It's legally captured, ukrops have 14 days to turn over the keys to the city or it'll go to court.
Cont. when Europeans were taking over Ivory Coast they sold Africans guns in exchange for slaves and other goods. That does not mean the Africans were remotely close to Europeans in any capability.
That is like giving a bunch of apes ak-47s and saying it is an equal fight. Pardon the analogy
Before 1700 most armies were private.
If that half year long shitshow is a ''success' I hate to see what the hell a failure is.
Wagner a shit historically speaking
Besides the aforementioned East India company, you had the Dutch VOC and they legitimately went to war over Hispanices.
Also England got fucked once by a only part of the Hansa
Even strictly military (at first) entities like the White Company or the Catalan Grand Company did feats Wagner could only dream of
No. See Disney's campaign against basic human decency and sense of self.
???
VoC took several cities out east
conditairi did take some towns
a lot of late medieval armies where very mercenary heavy
The conquistadors could be seen as mercs
the normans conquered several cities while/after being hired as mercs
Over a third of William the conquerors army was made up of Flemish mercenaries hired by his father in law the count of Flanders
oh and you had this one city taken over by redundant mercs during on of the sicilian wars that led to the first punic war. Altough they where invited in first
>Private
How do you explain the fact that it's completely funded and provided for by the putin's state? Do you think they bought their artillery, tanks and modern fighter jets on the nearby market, lol
Are we pretending that Wagner is a private company now? They get all their gear from the government.
That would require very liberally defining “successful”
They legally captured it, which is all that matters for a private company.
Ha ha, shit, I didn't think about it before, but maybe Priggy and his "legally captured" nonsense was about trying to claim the rumored bonus Wagner was supposed to get for capturing Bakhmut.
>successful
The entire military of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was based on mercenaries, plus magnates had private armies.
bro a siege is small time, spanish mercenaries ruled parts of greece after slaughtering the local nobility.
>what is the 30 years war?
"Succesful siege by a private corporation" would imply they finished the job.
And, y'know, got paid.
I think Prigozhin mostly works with an I.O.U system at the moment.
No, for two reasons. 1) it’s been done before by mercenary bands in Europe. 2)it isn’t successful lol, Russia STILL hasn’t taken the city