I'm a /tourist/, from what I got the historical purpose of a marine (which means sailor in french) is to conquer the land coming from a boat (amphibious operations).
That said there are marines bases that aren't near the sea. So I guess amphibious is not the main goal anymore and they devolved into a basic infantry grunt (thus competing with the us soldiers).
>amphibious is not the main goal anymore
That was pretty accurate during GWOT but FD 2030 is changing that. They are focusing more on South East Asia/ countering China now hence them getting rid of their tanks, standing up Littoral Regiments, procuring Landing Ship Mediums and a bunch of other shit
Sort of. They are focused way more on defending island nowadays. Moving more into anti ship and anti air platforms at the expense of everything including infantry and amphibious transports
The original intent was that, yes. You would have a standing army for the mainland, and a ship-bound force for coastal protection and naval strikes.
That changed with the two World Wars, where we saw the US Army being shipped overseas and and waging beach assaults. Granted, the Marines were sent to the Pacific for their specialization, but it was the Army storming Normandy.
Ever since then, the US has waged various occupation style wars where they throw everything they’ve got at the enemy. This is especially obvious with Iraq and Afghanistan where both militaries (and even the coast guard) are standing around in an enemy nation indefinitely.
Hopefully with that chapter behind us, and a threat of Chinese invasion, Marines can be repurposed once again to focus more on their true combat role.
Yes, as Marines will engage in dangerous sexual practices which can lead to infections of lower gastrointestinal tract in unsanitary conditions of the trench warfare.
I went "Huh, these Soldiers actually do the same job as us but with significantly less gay shit involved" in Iraq, EAS'd, and decided to jump ship to the Army.
This thread is fucking gayer than a marine and soldier fucking each other in a trench
Army actually deploys more and has more schools to go through than the Marines along with a plethora of opportunities for doing cool things. Guess who runs Airborne school? Guess who runs the artillery school? Soldiers have more of a chance of seeing combat and being shot at due to where they're deployed at currently, such as Africa at the moment. Marines really only have MEU's and UDP's for deployments during peacetime or the MSG billet for being a glorified security guard. However, Big Army has more shady, dubious leadership practices due to having more of an officer and NCO bloat compared to the Marines. The Marines have more of a focus on their enlisted men compared to the Army due to the officer-to-enlisted ratio being something 1 to 8ish in the Marines when compared to the Army being about 1 to 5. Then again, that depends on your unit and your base like what happens at Fort Hood or Fort Bragg shenanigans.
Marines, unfortunately, run on hopes, dreams, low budgeting, and a big ass advertisement campaign during peacetime. Hence, that haughty attitude/culture the Marine Corps has is, amusingly enough, a "plz don't disband us again" pleading to congress. When wartime comes around, they do not suffer as much from leadership/bureaucratic bloat like the army does and have a more streamlined/direct approach to strategic objectives which is great for the initial assaults until they are eventually curtailed by restrictive ROE's put in place by DoD.
>Big Army has more shady, dubious leadership practices
That's vague and sounds like bullshit. Marines need to compete more for leadership positions, so there is more incentive to fuck subordinates over to get a good look from command
It just never occurred to me that was an option. I was under the impression you were stuck with a branch for life unless you managed to score a letter from your Congressman.
Nope, you can just go re-enlist. Most people don't since you're back to being the bitch, but you'll promote pretty steadily if you're worth anything at all since you don't need to be taught how not to be a fuckup.
Marine boot is good enough for any of the other branches (except Coast Guard, and maybe Space Force? IDK anything about them), so that's an upside. Some Marines find it hard to adjust to other branches because the culture is different.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Damn, you go straight back to E-1? What if you're an SNCO, or senior Officer?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Damn, you go straight back to E-1? What if you're an SNCO, or senior Officer?
Don't listen. This guys retarded. You normally keep the same rank, which I'm sure that is what he meant but didn't explain well. Also, if you join a branch that isn't the Marines you normally get some kind of bonus
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The idea of a career revolving around time spent in each branch seems neat.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, there's one guy who served in all of them, and currently in Coast Guard I believe.
I put in my application for coast guard as maritime law enforcement and should be going to meps in a bit. I’m glad to hear that, what makes CG different from the rest in terms of difficulty?
> tfw shit like this unironically convinced me to waste 4 years of my life in the Corps as a dumbass 17 year old when I could've been in an Airborne unit or something doing way cooler shit the entire time
Seeing this dumb boot everywhere these days. We get it, your seniors were mean and you got peer’d out of any of the cool schools. Now stfu up, nobody gives a fuck that your life is easier in the army, pussy.
>Say silly/dumb thing >Get called out >Y-YOU'RE JUST SEETHING
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cry more boot. You should’ve just stayed out of the military, you got bad genes, you just ain’t cut out for it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not even that anon, retard, I just think you're a miserable moron whose only source of joy in life is being hostile to strangers for no reason in particular. It's just sad.
> tfw shit like this unironically convinced me to waste 4 years of my life in the Corps as a dumbass 17 year old when I could've been in an Airborne unit or something doing way cooler shit the entire time
I do believe that MARSOC conducts operations as a part of SOCOM, and have a presence at Fort Bragg. In Iraq, Marines did a lot of door killing and close range killing, while the Army has many in support roles and a much larger logistics chain.
>Is a US soldier more fit to fight in trenches than a US marine?
This is the 21st century, anonymous. The US doesn't have to fight in trenches any more.
Fuck ya mudda
Soldier is a superset of Marine, are you mentally damaged (e.g. a US marine)?
I'm a /tourist/, from what I got the historical purpose of a marine (which means sailor in french) is to conquer the land coming from a boat (amphibious operations).
That said there are marines bases that aren't near the sea. So I guess amphibious is not the main goal anymore and they devolved into a basic infantry grunt (thus competing with the us soldiers).
>amphibious is not the main goal anymore
That was pretty accurate during GWOT but FD 2030 is changing that. They are focusing more on South East Asia/ countering China now hence them getting rid of their tanks, standing up Littoral Regiments, procuring Landing Ship Mediums and a bunch of other shit
Sort of. They are focused way more on defending island nowadays. Moving more into anti ship and anti air platforms at the expense of everything including infantry and amphibious transports
The original intent was that, yes. You would have a standing army for the mainland, and a ship-bound force for coastal protection and naval strikes.
That changed with the two World Wars, where we saw the US Army being shipped overseas and and waging beach assaults. Granted, the Marines were sent to the Pacific for their specialization, but it was the Army storming Normandy.
Ever since then, the US has waged various occupation style wars where they throw everything they’ve got at the enemy. This is especially obvious with Iraq and Afghanistan where both militaries (and even the coast guard) are standing around in an enemy nation indefinitely.
Hopefully with that chapter behind us, and a threat of Chinese invasion, Marines can be repurposed once again to focus more on their true combat role.
I'd have to imagine any general who doesn't get to send his troops into a war is going to bitch and moan about it nonstop.
>coast guard
Man the US coast really does extend world wide.
Yes, as Marines will engage in dangerous sexual practices which can lead to infections of lower gastrointestinal tract in unsanitary conditions of the trench warfare.
It's more cost effective.
A United States Marine surpasses a US Army soldier in every thinkable combat scenario.
Bait, but lol, lmao even
t. former 0331 now 11B
How the fuck does that even happen?
I went "Huh, these Soldiers actually do the same job as us but with significantly less gay shit involved" in Iraq, EAS'd, and decided to jump ship to the Army.
Do you keep your paygrade doing that?
This thread is fucking gayer than a marine and soldier fucking each other in a trench
Army actually deploys more and has more schools to go through than the Marines along with a plethora of opportunities for doing cool things. Guess who runs Airborne school? Guess who runs the artillery school? Soldiers have more of a chance of seeing combat and being shot at due to where they're deployed at currently, such as Africa at the moment. Marines really only have MEU's and UDP's for deployments during peacetime or the MSG billet for being a glorified security guard. However, Big Army has more shady, dubious leadership practices due to having more of an officer and NCO bloat compared to the Marines. The Marines have more of a focus on their enlisted men compared to the Army due to the officer-to-enlisted ratio being something 1 to 8ish in the Marines when compared to the Army being about 1 to 5. Then again, that depends on your unit and your base like what happens at Fort Hood or Fort Bragg shenanigans.
Marines, unfortunately, run on hopes, dreams, low budgeting, and a big ass advertisement campaign during peacetime. Hence, that haughty attitude/culture the Marine Corps has is, amusingly enough, a "plz don't disband us again" pleading to congress. When wartime comes around, they do not suffer as much from leadership/bureaucratic bloat like the army does and have a more streamlined/direct approach to strategic objectives which is great for the initial assaults until they are eventually curtailed by restrictive ROE's put in place by DoD.
Ok neverserved
>Big Army has more shady, dubious leadership practices
That's vague and sounds like bullshit. Marines need to compete more for leadership positions, so there is more incentive to fuck subordinates over to get a good look from command
Marines who can't fit in re-enlist in Army after getting out. Or because they want easy mode with better pay.
The actual gluttons for punishment go join the Coast Guard. And the actually intelligent ones go join the Air Force.
It just never occurred to me that was an option. I was under the impression you were stuck with a branch for life unless you managed to score a letter from your Congressman.
Nope, you can just go re-enlist. Most people don't since you're back to being the bitch, but you'll promote pretty steadily if you're worth anything at all since you don't need to be taught how not to be a fuckup.
Marine boot is good enough for any of the other branches (except Coast Guard, and maybe Space Force? IDK anything about them), so that's an upside. Some Marines find it hard to adjust to other branches because the culture is different.
Damn, you go straight back to E-1? What if you're an SNCO, or senior Officer?
Don't listen. This guys retarded. You normally keep the same rank, which I'm sure that is what he meant but didn't explain well. Also, if you join a branch that isn't the Marines you normally get some kind of bonus
The idea of a career revolving around time spent in each branch seems neat.
Yeah, there's one guy who served in all of them, and currently in Coast Guard I believe.
I put in my application for coast guard as maritime law enforcement and should be going to meps in a bit. I’m glad to hear that, what makes CG different from the rest in terms of difficulty?
Lack of diversity
Seeing this dumb boot everywhere these days. We get it, your seniors were mean and you got peer’d out of any of the cool schools. Now stfu up, nobody gives a fuck that your life is easier in the army, pussy.
>HAHA YOU WANNA GET TREATED WITH RESPECT? WHAT A PUSSY!
Holy shit, look who’s seething
>Say silly/dumb thing
>Get called out
>Y-YOU'RE JUST SEETHING
Cry more boot. You should’ve just stayed out of the military, you got bad genes, you just ain’t cut out for it.
I'm not even that anon, retard, I just think you're a miserable moron whose only source of joy in life is being hostile to strangers for no reason in particular. It's just sad.
Bro I'm not even in your shitty ghetto military.
>why does everyone keep leaving and nobody wants to join
>LOL dunno let's just keep treating people like shit
>nobody gives a fuck that your life is easier in the army
What the fuck kind of underage b& question is this?
I aint fighting for that star symbol of traitors and losers.
Shove it up your ass.
The commies chose the five pointed star because it was the symbol of Mars, the Roman god of war.
This is my flag, as a Patriot. It's not a rainbow flag either, just the old fashioned red white and blue is good enough for me.
It would depend on the training, fitness, and balls of the individual, but Marines are a smaller singular unit that sure does a lot of killin.
> tfw shit like this unironically convinced me to waste 4 years of my life in the Corps as a dumbass 17 year old when I could've been in an Airborne unit or something doing way cooler shit the entire time
I do believe that MARSOC conducts operations as a part of SOCOM, and have a presence at Fort Bragg. In Iraq, Marines did a lot of door killing and close range killing, while the Army has many in support roles and a much larger logistics chain.
>Marines did a lot of door kicking* and close range killing
Typo correction.
Who fucking cares?
>Is a US soldier more fit to fight in trenches than a US marine?
This is the 21st century, anonymous. The US doesn't have to fight in trenches any more.
>trenches
No, we don't dig trenches. Why would we?
>because the culture is different...
(insert jokes about crayons)
>The US doesn't have to fight in trenches any more...
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