is 9mm enough to deter a bear? an enormous brown bear went on a killing spree, claiming several men as its victims.

is 9mm enough to deter a bear?

an enormous brown bear went on a killing spree, claiming several men as its victims.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there are some fucked up images that idk if they're allowed on here but you can go and see for yourselfves

    https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/x09xz8/an_enormous_brown_bear_went_on_a_killing_spree/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      holy fuck
      i'm no longer an eco-fag, bear genocide when?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yup that poor guy got his guts literally eaten out

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          looks like it ate the intestines filled with feces and all, disgusting. Allegedly a bear has a sense of smell that is several times better than that of a bloodhound, how could it handle the smell? An adult man carries around 4-6lbs of excrement in his gut at all times.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It ate the gut because of abdominal fat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >sense of smell that is several times better than that of a bloodhound
            well dogs love to eat shit whenever they fucking can, I can't imagine bears are that different.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This was in Russia. They're not allowed to own nearly any guns anyway, certainly not 9mm. And in reality aim and timing will be more important than a small change in caliber. If you have time to identify and engage the threat well before it's within mauling distance, AND you can hit vitals with some accuracy then yes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >there are some fucked up images that idk if they're allowed on here
      >links to plebbit
      bitch

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >open Plebbit
      >force my way through their retarded age-check
      >have to click on image to indicate yes I really want to see it
      >see Adidas tracksuit
      >"hey that looks like Russia!"
      >search for info on the mauling
      >sure enough it's Russia
      Oh well, they were probably vatniks, they deserved being eaten alive. Based bear, doing God's work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        teddit and libreddit to avoid modern web cancer. also libredirect

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That happened in Russia.
      Fun facts:
      It's illegal to own or carry pistols in Russia.
      It's illegal to cary long gun in wilderness for self defense in Russia (gun carry in the wild is poacing crime regardless were animals killed or not).
      Rusains deal with bears with naked fists like real man should do.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck off back to plebbit, retard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can someone post the pictures please? I don’t have plebbit nor do I want to create an account or download the application.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This board is literally just Redditors now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What I need to know is, if this guy's wife hot? And where do they frequent?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/x09xz8/an_enormous_brown_bear_went_on_a_killing_spree/

      https://i.imgur.com/Xf3bnwJ.png

      is 9mm enough to deter a bear?

      an enormous brown bear went on a killing spree, claiming several men as its victims.

      Its Russian. It is a lie.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    5+" barrel and some buffalo bore ammo and you'll have no problem penetrating

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so a glock wouldn't cut it? i need something to have on my hip, can't carry a shotgun or rifle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        9mm is enough to kill a bear. You need a round designed to penetrate not a hollowpoint.

        Underwood Xtreme Penetrator or something like this:
        >https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
        The above link successfully killed a large bear and there are pics to prove it. Some of the rounds went completely through the bear.

        Glock would cut it. See the above link. Guy killed a giant bear with a 3.5" barrel gun.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >You need a round designed to penetrate not a hollowpoint.
          So 5.7?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Probably too small and light to get good penetration on a bear

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Glock makes longslides

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So get a .44 with a six+ inch barrel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Glocks are fine I have one in 357sig and underwood ammo.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A crackhead can shrug off 9mm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just because they're moving, look like they're still alive, and are able to attempt to fight for a few seconds doesn't mean they "shrugged it off"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >just because they're still a threat doesn't mean your ineffective

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufb53GO-AWo

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    holy fuck, I take that back. Get a 10mm at least

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      holy shit that thing must weigh 2000 lbs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One recoilless rifle, please.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >-ACK

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminds of that time Amerisharts hanged an elephant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck, I don't think there's anything you can fire out of a handgun that'd be right for that monster. Give me a .45-70 levergun or a semiauto .308 if I'm going anywhere near places with bears like that fucker.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Looks shooped and not necessarily well. That said I'm rethinking

      I'm the same way. For reloading purposes I've gone with .357 mag, but it's so impossibly versatile that I'm more than happy loading fmj flat nose or soft points and 23gr of h110 and blowing a hole through a griz. I'm sure buffalo bore would also work.

      . If I'm in Alaska I'm running a 30-30 minimum.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Big bear but its been dead for a while and bloated

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah man, you didn't hear? 9mm will blow its lungs out.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is 9mm enough to deter a bear?
    It's enough to kill a grizzly if you do your part.
    https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/

    Your reminder that humans were demonstrating weapons that could kill 200k+ people at a time 77 years ago, after 70k+ years of utilizing ranged weapons capable of firing several times per minute that were already beyond what most animals can even comprehend. It's fucking retarded to think that an animal can't reasonably be dispatched with normal human weaponry.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the correct answer.
      ANY handgun will be enough to deal with a bear. Even .22LR is enough to deter a bear. Maybe not enough to kill it instantly, but ceertainly hurt it enough to deter any further attacks.

      The bear will feel the ouch and get scared of the big boom, and will simply fuck off in 97% of the cases. 9mm is certainly enough. You may have to alert the game warden and inform thme that there is a wounded bear in the area, but you should be able to walk out of the situation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The bear will feel the ouch and get scared of the big boom, and will simply fuck off in 97% of the cases.
        Literally the opposite. The bear will feel the ouch, know it is being attacked, and go for a desperate fight to the death. If you're not killing the bear, you're better off pretending to be dead, because it sure as hell won't stop until it thinks you are.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/

          Like half the incidents in here have the bear running away after being shot once or twice

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most of those incidents you talk about aren't attacks. Bluff charges and bears trying to hold their ground in general aren't attacks, no matter how scared the people involved are.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Your not a bear psychic. You have no idea if a bear is going for a maul or just bluffing before you shoot at it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            and what about the other half? just ignore that part?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bear feels his insides burning for the first time ever and gets scared. Just because you say something is so doesn’t make it true. I’ll trust cold hard data over your “professional” opinion

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bears feel their inside burning all the time when they fuck a cute bear girl or eat a nice meal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is 9mm enough to deter a bear?
        It's enough to kill a grizzly if you do your part.
        https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/

        Your reminder that humans were demonstrating weapons that could kill 200k+ people at a time 77 years ago, after 70k+ years of utilizing ranged weapons capable of firing several times per minute that were already beyond what most animals can even comprehend. It's fucking retarded to think that an animal can't reasonably be dispatched with normal human weaponry.

        Lmao this board is full of fucking larper kek
        9mm is not enough, is not enough to stop a drugged moron sometimes imagine a bear
        Kek, kys gays.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A drugged moron isn't a bear and bears aren't steel plated. Stop buying into the invincible bear mythology.

          https://i.imgur.com/YN6cxpI.jpg

          Also this though it might just blow the fur off his ass then you'll have a bear-assed-bear running around.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            People in this day and age still have zero understanding of shot placement/anatomy. Whether due to video games, or some subconscious understanding that they suck at shooting so they want to make up for it with a bigger round (which ironically will make them shoot even worse), people seem to not be capable of understanding that shot placement is #1 above all else. What people don't understand about big handgun cartridges is that they were never really designed for self defense, they were hunting cartridges because when you hunt animals you're likely to be shooting from further out. The stronger bullet will travel faster and with more energy and power at longer ranges, making shots in the vitals is easier with a faster round. However defensive scenarios against bears don't require a person peppering a bear with 9mm from 50 to 100 yards away, it means shooting a charging bear a few yards away. People think they'll spot a charging bear from across an open field but those are people who know nothing about bears. Truth is that when bears decide to charge they're only a few yards away, most likely they had been stalking you behind brush, and they can sprint up to 35mph so by the time you draw they'll be almost on you.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Penetration is key, I don't trust 9mm to penetrate a 1,500lb bear.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The irony here. The anon you even quoted posted a link showing all the times 9mm was used successfully against brown bears and you ignore it and pretend to be more knowledgeable because of "muh vidyeah games HP model understanding of biology". So tell us then retard. How many hit points do bears have, and how much damage does 9mm do per bullet? How many rounds must hit a bear to kill it? Do headshots have a damage modifier? Or is it insta kill? Hahhahahaha

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm isn't even enough to kill most humans. I doubt it'd do anything other than annoy a bear.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i wouldnt shoot a cornered raccoon with a 9mm

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on where you hit it. I'd bring bear mace, or something bigger than a 9mm

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fools! .22 lr is overkill.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      airsoft bbs are enough to scare it

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm can kill a bear but ideally you want something bigger

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if it's charging at me, do i have time to kill it? that's the question

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you can hit it's vitals. Most of PrepHole can barely hit the entire paper of a target at 7 yards if asked to shoot rapid fire.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so spray + glock 19 got it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based secret idf women poster

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i wish they were all as subtle

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >”heh, 9mm won’t do shit”
    I hate this meme. Yes 9mm will kill, it’ll kill a bear if you have a good hollow point and hit it right. The internal damage of a 9mm round and .45 round is basically the same.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it’ll kill a bear if you have a good hollow point
      you have to be 18 to use this site

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      With bears, you want the best penetration possible, so you wouldn't use HPs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't want hollow points for bear. You want those rounds to penetrate as deep as possible to hit organs, help shatter bones, so forth. Why most go with hard cast.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >hollow points
      Are you a bear and trying to get people killed?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, with proper ammo. FN-FMJ blows through more than enough. Hard cast obviously does great as well. Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators were built for it. All of them will poke a hole in a bear deep enough to cut something important. I bet even JHP will, but it's not incredibly useful for it.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, "statistically". But there's FAR more statistics of 44 magnum doing so.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because more people carry it, because of the fudd meme that says you need it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Carry 9mm and find out then stupid fag moron is a weaker creature on average compared to bear

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        More people do not carry .44 than 9mm retard. 9mm is the most common and most sold handgun cartridge in the world and the US alone but we only have 1/6th the data for 9mm usage against bears.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >videos of people gettung ahot with 9mm and keeping on
    >gay 9mm fags have gone so against the grain of older people saying 9mm isnt good enough that they now say its more than enough to kill a 900lb animal effectively
    9mmeme and its proponents are a cancer on this board

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because it’s true. If 9mm is enough to penetrate and reach internal organs it’s enough to fend off even the largest bear. There’s nothing inherently different about a 10mm bullet once it reaches internal organs other than its ability to penetrate further. It is not creating hydrostatic shock or giant gaping wounds. 30 cal rifle bullets out of a 30-30 or 7.62x39 even most .308 loadings do not have the velocity to do that kind of damage. It’s about penetration. A 9mm FMJ bullet creates a .365mm hole as does a .365 magnum. A 10mm creates a .40mm hole, .44 magnum slightly larger. If the bear is 900 fucking pounds surely a minimal increase in energy comparative to the size of the animal isn’t going to mean dick. 9mm has been historically effective in dispatching even the largest grizzly bears. Just make sure the bullets you’re carrying are designed for penetration over expansion and you’ll be fine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Sirius Patrol of the Danish army in Greenland is issued Glock 20's as sidearms for defense against polar bears, because they found that the normal 9mm Sigs issued to the normal Danish army weren't up to the task. Now granted a polar bear is larger than a brown bear or a grizzly, but it does serve to illustrate that there is a real-world difference in effectiveness between 9mm and 10mm when it comes to defense against large dangerous animals.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don’t polar bears have quite a bit more fat insulating their organs? Again I think the issue is deep enough penetration, not that the 10mm is inherently more lethal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Honest question, how many failures to stop a bear did they have with the 9mms? then we get into the whole "how accurate are those reports" side of things, grunts are notorious for blaming small arms stopping power for marksmanship failures.

          >if you can manage to hit the eye or nose area
          I don't care if you're Jerry Miculek, expecting to be able to hit a charging animal that accurately when you're both hyped up on adrenaline is absoluely rediciulous.

          And then there's this problem:
          >nose or eye
          ....there's nothing instantly lethal about fucking up sinus cavity, eyeball, or frontal lobe. Tons of hunters fuck up kills every year by "aiming for the head" and not realizing that the actually lethal part of the brain is quite small and usually much farther back in the skull and lower down than the average person thinks it is.

          Anyway, even if you're an expert on bear anatomy and know exactly where to aim the chance of you being able to guarantee an accurate shot straight to the vitals is very low.

          Lemme guess, youd rather carry a .44 magnum you practice twice a year with and expect its magical stopping power to make up for mediocre shot placement. Bears typically attack in areas of low visibility, you're gonna probably have time for a single shot with that thing before its struggle snuggle time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes at the end of day if you have more energy on the round, you have more energy to reach the organs, although the biggest factor for penetration is momentum hence why heavy rounds even if going slower will still do well penetrating but not creating hydrostatic shock

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's literally no difference between 9mm and .50 ae.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >900lb
      Probably more depending on the season.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    99.99% of the time, a 22LR will scare a bare off.
    That 0.01% chance, you'll wish you had a rifle.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here's an article by the guy who owns Buffalo Bore. Pic is of first page.

    https://www.buffalobore.net/Trail&CampGuns.pdf

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      tl;dr .44 mag and 10mm requires the right ammo to have any chance of stopping a charging black/brown/grizzly bear. I wouldn't carry anything less than .44 mag for grizzly country and many people skip the pistol and take a .45-70 rifle or slug shotgun instead.

      Quote from the article:
      >Stopping a bear/moose/bison attack is far different than hunting them. When hunting, you get to choose your shot at your leisure, with out the critter often knowing you are around. So when hunting, you can use small calibers and make up for smaller calibers with carefully timed and placed shots. However. when you are under attack, you have no time to think or to plan. The animal and you are both adrenaline charged. You have to take the shot offered by circumstance and if you make a poor hit, you' ll be glad to have a lot of power on hand to make up for the Jack of perfect bullet placement.

      10mm, 9mm, .45 are fine for black, brown, and mountain lions and everything else. 10mm with Buffalo Bore ammo might work on a charging grizzly or moose but it's your funeral.

      If anyone disagrees with this they are purporting theoretical/hypothetical knowledge and facts rather than practical knowledge that's been learned over centuries.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But, the author is a strong believer in
        >the best gun is the one you have
        so carry what you have available, even if its sub-optimal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >44 mag and 10mm requires the right ammo to have any chance of stopping a charging black/brown/grizzly bear
        So many dumbasses in here. A bear isnt going to suddenly be impressed by a .4" hole in him when he wasnt phased by a .36" one. He will not feel the extra .04" as being more painful. He will not be stopped, knocked down, or knocked over by your 600ftlb cartridge. The only question is whether your needle dicked hole puncher is going to penetrate deeply enough. The surprising but true answer to this is that a 9mm loaded with heavy hardcast or FMJ ammo will in fact penetrate adequately on all but the largest of bears and bears REALLY dont like being shot. Were talking rounds capable of penetrating several feet of soft tissue before stopping. Bears are pretty sturdy so they dont penetrate as well on them, but they still will penetrate an entire chest cavity with mediocre shot lines on a larger brown bear. I know because people have done this before and posted pictures on the internet and numerous successful self defense instances with 9mm and even more anemic calibers have been recorded with VERY FEW failures. Unless you live in an area with XL coastal grizzlies or polar bears 9mm will likely work fine and more importantly anything other than a true magnum handgun caliber(with its own massive downsides) is barely an upgrade. Carry a properly loaded rifle or 12g if you want better odds than that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're the dumbass here.
          >He will not feel the extra .04" as being more painful.
          It's not only the diameter of the bullet, it's the amount of powder too. The only way to stop a charging bear is to break it's bones and immobilize it. 9mm is not going to go through all that tissue and have enough force to go through a bone too. .44 mag and up (maybe 10mm too) will.

          >600ft/lb
          Lol what? Pic related, it's Buffalo Bore .44 mag

          >Carry a properly loaded rifle or 12g if you want better odds than that.
          That's what I said.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ie some boomers fudd myth passed down over generations.

        Listen boomer, you can’t beat data.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/xxMciJ1.jpg

      tl;dr .44 mag and 10mm requires the right ammo to have any chance of stopping a charging black/brown/grizzly bear. I wouldn't carry anything less than .44 mag for grizzly country and many people skip the pistol and take a .45-70 rifle or slug shotgun instead.

      Quote from the article:
      >Stopping a bear/moose/bison attack is far different than hunting them. When hunting, you get to choose your shot at your leisure, with out the critter often knowing you are around. So when hunting, you can use small calibers and make up for smaller calibers with carefully timed and placed shots. However. when you are under attack, you have no time to think or to plan. The animal and you are both adrenaline charged. You have to take the shot offered by circumstance and if you make a poor hit, you' ll be glad to have a lot of power on hand to make up for the Jack of perfect bullet placement.

      10mm, 9mm, .45 are fine for black, brown, and mountain lions and everything else. 10mm with Buffalo Bore ammo might work on a charging grizzly or moose but it's your funeral.

      If anyone disagrees with this they are purporting theoretical/hypothetical knowledge and facts rather than practical knowledge that's been learned over centuries.

      >marketing material from the guy who owns a company and wants to sell you something
      >meanwhile actual guides who are regularly in the shit opt for less

      https://i.imgur.com/gRnLhm1.png

      You're the dumbass here.
      >He will not feel the extra .04" as being more painful.
      It's not only the diameter of the bullet, it's the amount of powder too. The only way to stop a charging bear is to break it's bones and immobilize it. 9mm is not going to go through all that tissue and have enough force to go through a bone too. .44 mag and up (maybe 10mm too) will.

      >600ft/lb
      Lol what? Pic related, it's Buffalo Bore .44 mag

      >Carry a properly loaded rifle or 12g if you want better odds than that.
      That's what I said.

      >you can't shoot a bear in the brain, you need to go full on VATS and disable it via limb damage
      yeah

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would trust a 9mm to do the job, but I carry 10mm for a bit more oomph when in bear country.
    I don't want to go hiking with my rifle all of the time, and I do not want a revolver because I believe humans to be the most dangerous animal, and I want CAPACITYYYYYYYYY.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no matter how big and bad you are your brain is still squish and very essential for you. if you can manage to hit the eye or nose area the impact angle is nearly 90 degrees, which (unless you want to argue 15mm of bone can stop a 9mm) is an instant kill. sure, a 7.62 would be better but an instant kill is an instant kill

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if you can manage to hit the eye or nose area
      I don't care if you're Jerry Miculek, expecting to be able to hit a charging animal that accurately when you're both hyped up on adrenaline is absoluely rediciulous.

      And then there's this problem:
      >nose or eye
      ....there's nothing instantly lethal about fucking up sinus cavity, eyeball, or frontal lobe. Tons of hunters fuck up kills every year by "aiming for the head" and not realizing that the actually lethal part of the brain is quite small and usually much farther back in the skull and lower down than the average person thinks it is.

      Anyway, even if you're an expert on bear anatomy and know exactly where to aim the chance of you being able to guarantee an accurate shot straight to the vitals is very low.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.americanhunter.org/content/8-best-charge-stopping-bear-cartridges/
        You need a big caliber, dumb dumb.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anything more than a blowdart gun is overkill OP. 9mm is overkill. Stick with JHP if you carry a 9. Make sure to cover yourself in that delicious capsaicin spray before firing the dart. The bears really hate the cajun honey and the jalapeno cheese flavors.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe. G9 Research makes a round that I recently purchased called the woodsman. It's a 9mm patented design that's supposed to be able to stop a bear. They dropped a buffalo with one on YouTube. I think it will kill a bear but likely not instantly unless you hit the bear perfectly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >patented design
      Generally meaningless. You can "patent" almost anything. A lot of the time it's just a way for the marketing droids to breathlessly burble that "it's patented!"

      t. patent attorney

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a link to the bison vid. Again, I own a box of these but haven't been able to test them yet. They look nasty though. Solid copper

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have always wondered if it would be feasible to escape a bear attack by hiding behind a tree and always keeping it between myself and the bear as it is trying to get at me. The bear will obviously be much faster in a straight line, but will it be able to dance around the tree faster than I can? Especially if I have the chance to wrap a belt or a rope or some kind of strap around the trunk to hold on to so I can rcircle the tree faster? And how long will it last until the bear gives up and walks away?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bear would outlast you by a country mile, tubby

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's gonna swat you from the other side or you'll panic and not move fast enough and it'll get around anyways. This is a crazy idea. The bear isn't going to stop and be like "ok now left DOH! no right DOH! he got me again! Ok now I go left..DOH! ok now right.." he's just going to come charging at it and take a fast turn around it before you can even make a decision. You're better off being one of those retards that thinks they can just lay down

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bears are fast as fuck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      take a look at the claw in the op and the size of the arm it's attached to. you're trying to dodge that around a tree.

      lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That tactic only works on moose, stupid forest horses

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9×39 maybe

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is 9mm enough to deter a bear?
    Yes

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    500 magnum does it s job against bears.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much anything that can pen enough to hit a vital spot and do enough damage when it does will if you have good shot placement. Thing is will you actually be able to make that shot under that much pressure? There's always dumping the mag but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually hit what you need to. Personally if I'm going innawoods I plan to have a 7'-8' spear for a walking stick and an AK on me. 7.62x39>9mm, 10mm, and .45. Then 40+1>17+1.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10mm or .44? Neither. Use cold steel. Preferably a 9-12 inch Bowie.
    With your left hand, reach into the bear’s mouth and grab it by the tongue. Hold on tight and ignore the pain of the bite on your left forearm. Now, with knife in your right hand, stab the full of the blade at the base of the bear’s neck. Work the blade in deep and work it around. Now, hang on and ride it out.
    That’s how you do it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can use a bowie knife for fighting humans, dumb ass.
      No need to be snark.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the bigger they are , the harder they fall.
    A stiff jab followed by a right cross

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1 round ?
    maybe not if the bear is pissed
    30 rounds sounds more like it

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >those claws.
    Nightmare fuel.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure they annoyed the bear first

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Any bear that doesn't recognize human supremacy and either prostates itself upon contact or immediately fucks off in the opposite direction deserves to have its genetic line ended. Survival of the subservient. Any animal that won't flee or submit to us gets exterminated, leaving only those behind that get who's on top.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing will stop a pissed off Mama Grizzly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry. Wrong vid. Meant this one:

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nothing will stop a pissed off Mama Grizzly.
      Oh, don't you worry, a healthy dose of 12.7×55mm undoubtedly will. No pissed off Mama Grizzly to fear if there's physically no Mama Grizzly left to be pissed off after your magazine's empty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nothing will stop a pissed off Mama Grizzly.
      Not so true

      https://i.imgur.com/1TAmRiK.jpg

      Yes, "statistically". But there's FAR more statistics of 44 magnum doing so.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    good luck hiting the brain or somehow its heart in the first few bullets. otherwise it will keep coming and kill you with one sneeze.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd shoot ball instead of HPs, and I'd make sure to practice, OP, but if you can put the rounds where they need to go, you can make it work

    The idea of buying a new caliber for every single animal you're going to kill is an idea that is propagated by the gun industry to sell merchandise. People have been killing bears since prehistory and only had guns recently.

    I own a 357 mag and that is what I'd carry. If I had the same level of proficiency shooting a 9mm autoloader as I do with my revolver, I'd carry with confidence even though the round is a little weaker.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hard cast is the answer for this
      Typically has a flat nose and doesn't deform

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd shoot hard cast lead out of my revolver, or more probably JSP, but even a tiny chance of a jam from shooting naked lead out of an autoloader is too much. Probably it'll work fine, I don't have any experience that it wouldn't, but is it worth the risk? I guess at the least I'd shoot it a bunch in practice to see what it does to my gun. Hard cast lead causes less fouling but every manufacturer tells you to not shoot naked lead out of their autoloaders. And I don't really think it offers any advantage over ball, I mean it's not like the bullets are heavier or whatever.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure the smaller stuff is powder coated. The 10mm isn't, but I haven't had any stoppages with it yet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hard cast, flat-nose bullets are what you want for dangerous animals. FMJ ball is shit.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm has several recorded cases of being used defensively against Alaskan Coastal Grizzlies, the big motherfuckers. Yes shot placement is king, for everything else there's 10mm. Those things are so goddamn fun to shoot you might as well just get one and put any worries you have to rest. I used to always carry a whole ass rifle around in bewr country, now I feel safe with just a big handgun which is much easier to hike with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm the same way. For reloading purposes I've gone with .357 mag, but it's so impossibly versatile that I'm more than happy loading fmj flat nose or soft points and 23gr of h110 and blowing a hole through a griz. I'm sure buffalo bore would also work.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Carry a 9mm if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit some bear, and if you hit some bear – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    on that note would a 12g rifled slug be okay for bear defense?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, slug and double-00 every other shell

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Use bear slugs. Regular slugs are soft lead and deform pretty easily. Get the Brenneke Black Magic slugs.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't carry anything less than a 10mm or .357 magnum with at least a 4 inch barrel in grizzy country.

    If someone wants to bring a 9mm or a 22 LR then they only have themselves to blame.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget monolithic or hard cast bullets as well.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've carried the same magazine loaded with the same box of buffalo bore for the last 5 years and I've only ever had to fire one single round, so I'd say the cost worked out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Same with my lvr, but I do actually cycle through rounds. Mostly because I shoot them.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're going in bear country a better question is why the fuck would you only bring a hand weapon? "Loaded for bear" is a very old phrase.

    There's no reason to be innawoods without a battle rifle since you have the excuse to bring it anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Weight and accessibility. Not everyone wants to dedicate 10 pounds in their pack to a battle rifle. Nor does everyone want to lug a 10 pound battle rifle around with them the entire time they're outside of camp.

      Get a good quality chest holster and a reliable handgun and you won't ever have to make the decision to not bring it with you.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    357 magnum doesn't open up until 4"+ barrels, especially with super hot rounds. That said, for black bears they're both fine.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    .357 magnum should be fine for bear but I would gladly take my 9mm Px4 somewhere I might run into a bear before I'd take a revolver. My general rule is still that capacity is better and after my first shot my Px4's trigger shits all over any double action. Again, you need to remember that when you actually need to use that gun because yogi wants some of dat ass you're gonna be having a very bad day. You're not going to be shooting quarter sized groups right where you need them like you might at the range. Accuracy by volume is still effective while under stress. That's part of why my preferred choice of innawoods firearm is an AK. A draco with a not-a-stock or SBR'd with a side folder should be a fantastic hiking gun if you're not a pussy that can't handle potentially carrying the weight of your own life on a sling.

    I'd wager the reason why pepper spray is statistically more effective is a typical bear spray can shits it out and makes it very hard to miss the bear's face but more shooters end up missing vitals or missing entirely, especially considering many go with low capacity firearms like revolvers. If you really want to mess up a bear's day get a big ass riot control tier fogger can of the stuff meant for people, it's actually stronger.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    everyone shits on 9mm but does anyone have a source on a bear killing a 9mm wielder?

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