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Is PrepHole ready for Abrams in Ukraine?
>abrams with ERA and in woodlands camo
It'll be kept at the back like the Challengers anyway. They only donated them to stimulate more Leopard donations.
Why do you still spam this shit warriortard? No one believes this cope.
I love how you think everyone you disagree with is him.
He's right, most US donations right now is just ammo, and barely the good kind
Warriortard tried to say the m113s would be away from the front too. Reality is the 3rd have made mobiks shit their pants at the sound of a m113
We've stopped getting many pictures of wrecked M113s. Surely it's because they stopped being vulnerable to the weapons used to destroy them in the past, such as 152mm ATGMs. Not because they're nowhere to be found on the battlefields.
Have challengers been used to the same extent as Leos’ I’m just excited to see a conclusion to this shit. As a Canadian I’d be very interested to see a China/Indian border dust yo go hot. Serves the Boodsy Batards right for playing both sides of the fence on this one. Also I love me some diaspora dust ups. We are in for a powder keg I any number of directions. Hindu v Sihk, the Chinese Scholastic 5th Columnist vs The Service Sector Sirs. Or a reemergent FLQ or perhaps an OKA 2.0
>They only donated them to stimulate more Leopard donations.
And because they had to donate something after the Bongs did, or they'd look like cunts.
Germany said something like they will send tanks only after US
Russia loses so many tanks that Oryx has a hard time keeping up.
Meanwhile, a single tank loss is straight into the news cycle. This is the disparity of technology between glorious Russia and the faltering West that is clearly out of weapons, NATO destroyed, seven days to Berlin.
There are like hundred Chally in existence, vatniks have stocks that will seemingly last years
Are those stocks in the room with you right now?
>First Challenger 2 tank destroyed since it was first deployed back in 1994
>WHY IS IT ALL OVER THE NEWS?!?
room temperature IQ
>>WHY IS IT ALL OVER THE NEWS?!?
A subsaharan camel riding forum isn't the news.
Please go outside, look at the world, and try to improve it in a meaningful way.
First post didn't question why the lost challenger made the news. It put the situation in perspective, the second was about available Russian tanks not the lost Challenger.
>Rasha is winning an offensive war! That is why they're planting mines to prevent ukraine from taking back their land!
Imagine being a zigger unironically
Imagine being you a year from now.
Don’t you mean 60 years from now?
What exactly is going to happen between here and next year that will miraculously save Russia?
What makes you so optimistic that Russia will lose? Brainwashing aside, of course.
Because Russia is unlikely to continue this war for the next 60 years
So if they stop where they're at now, they've lost?
>verification not required kek
No. If they stop at the borders of the Donbass and Crimea, they’ve lost.
Lmao you bots are just as bad as the fucking ziggers
>if you invade a country and leave with no territory gained, you win!
They control Crimea, Donbas, and the entire coasts of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts
I have no idea what you're talking about
And they’re getting steadily pushed back. Unless they plan on fighting Ukraine for 60 years, they’re losing.
They have no choice but to
>try to take over the poorest country in europe
>they literally stop you
>now you're getting pushed back to your own shit "country"
russia is losing, gay, and no matter how brainwashed you are from your daily anal gaping, it won't change that fact.
>So if they stop where they're at now, they've lost?
They can "stop", but without a peace agreement, sanctions will remain in place. With sanctions in place, their economy will be gone in a couple of years.
Any "peace agreement", on the other hand, will be on Ukie terms.
They don't even control all the territory they claimed to have annexed. I would call that losing.
Describe exactly how vatmorons will "stop" the war they started. Feel free to use details, diagrams, anecdotes ... whatever you fell will support your argument.
Here's my argument: it's over when no vatmoron walks the face of the planet again, ever. Complete and total extermination.
The germans said something quite similar about the garden gnomes during WW2. Look at the world now.
Some things are easier said than done.
Yeah but WW1 was started by Russia defending Serbia.
Garbage in, garbage out.
you can bleat all you like, Russia is still losing
>where they're at now
Stuck in a ruinously expensive forever war and cut off from the most profitable markets?
Yeah, staying in that situation is a loss. It's costing Russia a lot to maintain the stalemate.
It's funny you talk about statistics but don't bring up the most pertinent one of all, namely that last year Russia was firing 50,000 shells/day compared to Ukraine's 6,000 shells/day. Gee, I wonder if that has any relevancy to the rate of attrition...
Sorry I don't believe CIA cope
All I care about is confirmed conquests
they aren't firing 50k a day any more
that's why they're going backwards now
Yeah it's probably closer to 10,000:300 now. Fucking retard.
Doubt it, but even if true visually confirmed losses indicate that they're not hitting as much with all that spam
Their inability to hold strategic objectives is a big hint.
>What makes you so optimistic that Russia will lose?
Paying attention since the war started. Russia becomes weaker every month while Ukraine becomes stronger. It may be not as fast as any sane and decent person would wish, but the trend is evident.
Once the ukies reach a few dozen more kilometers to the south, the rotten dominoes of the Russian invasion will start to fall one after another.
They're delusional. The media is constantly hyping up stories like the ghost of keev to distract from oinkraines imminent loss. Truth is Russia will take kiev by day three of this SMO.
>Lose 100,000 young men in a country with terrible demographics even before the War
>Lose irreplaceable military equipment.
>Economy in the toilet
>NATO and free world stronger and more united than ever
>China put on notice as to what would happen if they tried anything with Taiwan
>Russia can't even win a War against a backwater Eastern European country that it shares a land border with. Laughing stock of the World.
Russian Spetsnaz could drop on Kyiv tomorrow and kill Zelensky, and this War would still be a terrible failure for Russia.
Russians don’t care about Russian lives. The standard response to finding out 100,000 Russians died in the war is “who cares, we have tens of millions more to send.”
They will care when they realize that they no longer have the manpower to have a functioning economy, let alone engage in large-scale international wars.
It would take 420 years of continuous warfare at the scale of the Ukraine war to drain Russia of manpower. They have 7 people for every one Ukraine has. It doesn’t matter if they lose 10 million soldiers in this war, they’ll just send another 10 million.
Every single working-age man they lose is one more than they can afford to, because it's a country with chronic labor shortage and brain drain problems that didn't have enough workers to begin with. Things will just keep getting worse and worse, but the Russian mind is so buck broken that this is considered a normal state of things. Their only source of joy at this point seems to be making sure their neighbours are at all times as miserable as they are.
>Their only source of joy at this point seems to be making sure their neighbours are at all times as miserable as they are
My favorite part is that when you point out that the war fucks up Russia’s demographics and economy for decades to come, the common ”rebuttal” is
>yeah but Ukraine is fucked up too
So basically, they consider it a good deal when a 150-million population country fucks up its future in exchange for fucking up a country that had pre-war population of ~44 million and isn’t even considered a great military power. Truly a geopolitical great success, doing the equivalent of murder-robbing someone while getting shot yourself, and then later on lying on a blood puddle bleeding out and muttering
>y-yeah, it hurts but at least I managed to kill the other guy
Even funnier is current vatmorons choose to ignore Putin's earlier warnings that Snowgeria is in demographic crisis despite vigorous gopnik attempts to reproduce by sodomy.
>Ruskiddies actually think real life functions like the same overrated RTS where they got their ROSSIYA STRONK ideas from in the first place
Command & Conquer and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>Russian Spetsnaz could drop on Kyiv tomorrow and kill Zelensky
Zelensky had mentioned there have been over thirty attempts by spetznaz, kadirovytes and traitors.
If VDV would stop being dropped into the sea, they would have tried too.
The pidors have long given up on any sort of imperialist or power projection goals, although they cannot say that publically to save face. Their minefields are a guarantee that they themselves will never advance past this point, especially considering they have already lost track of a good number of minefield coordinates (if it was even logged in the first place) and regularly step on their own mines. Their only goal at this stage of the war is making life as hellish for the Ukrainians as their own daily existence.
such a shame only low dozens are getting sent, if they even reach a frontline at all
Low dozens? Like the Bradley's?
Mines are unironically pretty good but the fact that Russia basically doesn't have any full width mines aside from like the ten top attack fancy mines they deployed is pretty embarrasing. Russia could have achieved minefields with more efficiency with like a fifth of the amount of mines they saturated with TM-62's.
just like the HIMARS right
Is the abrams vulnerable to mines?
EVERYTHING is vulnerable to mines. Even MRAPs, which are designed to resist them, are still somewhat vulnerable.
You would think after all these years of mines destroying vehicles they would have figured out a good way to protect against them.
There's not a lot you can do without rewriting physics. Because of their static nature, mines can have a shit ton of explosives in them, and be daisy-chained as much as necessary. Even if you have some incredible material that doesn't get penetrated by shrapnel, all that energy still has to go somewhere. That's why mine-resistant hulls are only a small part of the US doctrine. More important is the part where your air force bombs everything that moves while your ground forces work on the mines at a leisurely pace, and/or bomb the guys setting the mines in the first place.
Anon, protecting things is always more costly than breaking them.
That's why all the retards who masturbate to "muh armor" are in fact retards.
I would not have thought that because I'm not a technical illiterate like yourself. How did you manage to know nothing about metal, physics or anything else relevant? You sound brown.
Only missing is the chickenwire cope cage
Malyshev ERA kits for Abrams won't include any Nizh tiles on the "cheeks" because it's the strongest place.
They will uparmor the weak spots
Maybe, but aren't modern apfds strong enough to warrant being careful?
ERA is mostly used on the sides, which tend to lack composite armor
only modern russian ERA has any effect on long rods, but older long rods wouldnt get past the base armor in the first place
This got me thinking - theese bricks do require mounts. And a significant number of them. How drilling and screwing all over the place interacts with composite armour?
The American ERA mounts don't require drilling.
>drilling and screwing
Ever heard of welding? That's how you attach the mounts, dumbo.
Nobody's gonna drill deep threads in a dense, hardened tank plates you fucking idiot.
I am not ready for one is disabled/destroyed and the ziggers post it to prove 3200 Abrams have been destroyed by 4 Chechens
It's better armored than a leopard but not the chally so it will do better than the leopard, thats a guarantee.
I cannot wait to see it toss turret somehow.
I saw a pic of it missing a turret once, apparently caused by a rollover
There was a few videos of Iraqi Abrams turret tossing during war with ISIS.
I'm sure you'll provide proof of this
There were actually, but they were captured ones that just had a fuck ton of explosive ordanced placed inside the tank then detonated
>videos of Iraqi Abrams turret tossing during war with ISIS
Things That Never Happened.
Of course, (You) can always post vidya and prove me wrong. But I'm not, and you're lying.
>Abrams pushing east in former Soviet territory
Fulfilling the promise of its birth decades later, i think it’s kino
American armor has been advancing east on europe since '44, and its finally going hot again
>b-but we have a defensive strategy
it's an invasion you dip.
i'd honestly love to take you ziggers back in time to your former selves at the beginning of the war so you try to explain to them how russia losing a war they started against one of the poorest countries in europe is good actually.
i'd enjoy the full whiplash that comes with you not being able to slowly adapt your cope over a year's time. the strain would likely cause you guys to commit suicide considering how much of your personal beliefs hinged on russia winning this war.
Needs more ERA
An obsolete tank in an environment where it was never designed for with minimal or no existing supply infrastructure. This is going to go well.
It is like sending an obese American tourist into Cambodia in summer, a country with no McDonalds.
>Abrams was not designed for Europe
holy FUCK I did not think this board had fallen that far
Dont like it dont post here.
>Meanwhile, on the Russian side
>I lived to see footage of an Abrams knock out one of these fuckin things
>>I lived to see footage of an IS knock out an M1 Abrams
And how exactly do you think it will penetrate M1 armor?
It…it… IT JUST WILL, OKAY?!
It could pen the side, but it doesn't seem likely for a heavy tanks to get in place to do that.
If a RPG can disable it, a shell from an IS-8 D25 gun can definitely knockout an M1 Abrams, simple maths
Do you not understand the difference between mobility kill and KILL kill?
Do you understand the difference between disable and knockout?
"Knockout" is not precise you illiterate mong. A tank can be knocked out of action yet repaired. Knockout does not imply catastrophic kill you drooling street shitter illiterate.
Distinguishing between mobility kill and catastrophic kill is precise. That is the reason those terms are used by the adults in the room.
>If a RPG can disable it,
unlikely except from the side
>a shell from an IS-8 D25 gun can definitely knockout an M1 Abrams,
only if it hits the less well armored parts
>122mm solid-shot will pen an Abrams
Man, gimme some of what the fuck you’re smoking lmao
Side shot. I don't care what tank you got, a 122mm APCBC will go through the side of the hull. The tank would never get that opportunity tho due to awful optics vs thermals.
You will most likely live to see Abrams getting knocked out by T90s, missiles and artillery.
Just like the Leos 2, just like the Challengers.
>Abrams getting knocked out by T90s
>missiles and artillery
T90 has knocked out none of those.
What are these exactly?
Someone needs to update the service history
Why does the steel on the turret look like a scrotum?
>Why does the steel on the turret look like a scrotum?
War tourists need to be roped and bull dozed into a hole.
I agree. I'm not sure what this has to do with the wrinkly texture of the turret, however.
its cast idiot
I was hoping it wasn't that. I guess they were in dire straits after the war.
the M103 had a cast turret and that was used from 1957-1974
It was a rough year for the USSR, and their focus was on nukes at the time.
cast doesnt equal bad. the turret on the m60 is also cast and that was designed in the late 50s
I don't think cast is bad. Casting your tank components was the standard at the time.
Do not diss the T10, this is a good boi. Still serving out there in Donbass.
rugged, reliable, sovl
Are those heavy tanks? Holy shit they are!
The fucking rust cloud lmao.
Oh shit I thought it was dirt but you're right kek
>claim you're fighting nazis
>field a vehicle designed to fight nazis
I don't exactly see the problem here.
Of course the nazis have about 7 decades separating them, but it's not like the russians can tell the difference.
ruined a perfectly good image
>he can't appreciate a good, hung stud in a dress
ACK yourself you gay
Gem post this bro is funny get this man a PrepHole gold
>It belongs in a museum!
>Meanwhile, on the Russian side
This is 2014, it was taken from outdoor museum, it was serving as a statue if i remember correctly, repaired and sent to front by ukranian separatists.
I hate newfags
>Cambodia in summer, a country with no McDonalds.
Cambodia has KFC and Burger King though. They would be fine.
>environment where it was never designed for
ESL, uneducated and retarded, name a better combo
>Abrams not designed to obliterate Russian shit in the fields of Europe
>mentioning fat americans
>random picture of Biden's crackhead son
5/10 bait, needs more seething about americans and racial insults.
>takes 5-10 more losses than Ukraine and is running out of equipment that can’t be replaced
>xaxaxa stupid holols we are still winning
Real life isn't a video game where you look at populations and go 'bigger number so bigger number wins'. Russia is running out of people to send that people don't care about (Tuvans, Buryats etc). Very much 'Mobilise thee, not me'. There is a belief Putin is going to do one more wave of mobilisation (note, it never ended despite him saying it ended) and after that the only people he has left are in St Petersburg and Moscow. Places he does not want to touch or risk issues over.
Ukraine, meanwhile, are behind the war. They want to win and to get back their land. Meanwhile the rich elite and the middle class in Moscow and Petersburg don't really care. They'd love Russia to win, as long as they don't have to help them do it. If Russia loses, oh well. But if Putin turns to them for bodies to send to the front then, as I said, there are issues.
Ignoring the general issues the general population has with the war (and some have said so and some have paid the price for saying so) they're really not going to be happy suddenly being rounded up, thrown into a truck, driven to some mud filled 'training ground' given an AK and a pack of maggot infested rations and told 'Hohols that way, for the motherland' and off they march.
I always smile at these things. We've gone from
>Russia could take Kiev in a day, Warsaw in 3 days, Berlin in a week, Paris in two weeks, London in a month
>Haha your offensive in a war we started and have forced us to become completely defensive is going too slowly! WE'RE WINNING!
Remember that, remember that at the start when people said
>Oh sorry is Russia winning too slowly for you?
Well now it's that, but Ukraine instead of Russia.
>then march in unopposed
Over the minefields? And after potentially years of being attrited as well?
Russias best bet is to hold onto the bridge and hope that this whole thing becomes an indefinite ceasefire situation.
>hope that this whole thing becomes an indefinite ceasefire situation
No. Ukraine will not run out of ammo, and they are not going to stop shooting until all Ukrainian clay has been cleansed of vatmoron filth.
1914 borders. Vatmorons have an option to leave Ukrainian clay, or fertilize it.
what's the story with the Russian speakers in the east, were they colonisers or some shit
Workers from russia moving in Donbas in early 1900s or something
Then again, a lot of people in Ukraine speak russian as a consequence of being part of russian emprie than USSR for a long time
It doesn't indicate any political alingment
I'd add that in a lot of videos of Ukrainians blasting ziggers, you can hear russian speech
Same goes for vids with locals cursing z-invaders
On the other hand, there are like 5-6 millions of ethnic Ukrainians living in russia
Adding to that, Donbas was pretty much depopulated after WW2. A lot of people living in Donbas today are just children/grandchildren of migrants from Russia. All those claims about them "fighting for their ancestral lands" are just bullshit. Even Givi was part Georgian
Only that they fucked themselves hard when they blew the dam it was the main water resource for the area that was elegable for any agriculture or drinkable water so in long term it's not even sustainable with ceasefire
Lets say that happens, what troops and vehicles does Russia use to maintain this territory? How does it stop the partisans? I mean, Russia set up torture cells to deal with it, we know that, but at that point, it wouldn't stop ALL of it. So how does Russia hold what it has gained? This is why it wants a ceasefire, so it can rebuild and retrain forces to hold these areas.
T-10, a tank from 1949 (designed) and active from 1953. Interestingly not the oldest tank involved in the war if you count the war starting in 2014, because the '''rebels'' got a IS-3 working for a bit.
Someone got an IS-3 up and running? That was my prediction for the oldest tank that'll get unearthed in this war seven months ago, let's fucking go.
just you wait until someone modernizes a Renault.
>If they stop at the borders of the Donbass and Crimea, they’ve lost.
>at the borders of the Donbass and Crimes
The person you are responding to is saying that pre-invasion borders would be a loss, not that a stalemate at current borders would be a loss.
Specifically, the 2014 borders would be a loss for Russia, which is where things are heading barring some act of God.
Doesn't look like it. Couple weeks ago I heard about this bridgehead in Kherson near Olekshy, and now it's gone. Premature celebrations are all over this war. Russia holds 80% of Ukraine's coastline
Ukraines been making slow but steady progress in the offensive. Doesn’t really matter if it takes another 10 years to take back the territory, Ukraine has the time.
What does this even mean? You know all of Donetsk and Lugansk weren't occupied right?
Putin MUST secure the pipelines which means regime change or taking all the territory, ie, defeating Ukraine. If he stops now, even if he keeps all the gains, is a loss to him. If he goes for a ceasefire now it’s ONLY to rebuild for another crack at it. If he ends the war without achieving his goal he may be able to get the European energy market back over the short-medium term but he WILL lose it forever long term and defeat the very reason for launching the war to begin with AND defeat the purpose of 2014. So he’s totally committed.
yeah their copeyansk counter offensive is embarrassing, russia can't take it and it is not even a useful distraction
Ukraine has more equipment than when the conflict started.
A more accurate statement would be that the government is ready to have every Russian die for them.
they will occupy all of NATO as well, just wait, two more years
What exactly are the Russians dying for? Putin has left the reasons so hilarious vague and nebulous that I am not sure they even know. The fact Priggy (RIP) himself said they were all made up bullshit reasons didn't go unnoticed either. I really don't think people from St Petersburg and Moscow are willing to give up their comfy IT jobs to go sit in an ageing truck to get slapped an AK from [insert decades ago date] and told to go sit in a trench 100km away and await the hohols. I really don't. Why? Why would they die for this? The war is something far away and nothing to do with them, let the Tuvans and Buryats and Nenets and Chukchi abd Bashkirs die in a muddy trench.
>cutting out gas competitor for Europe
>being butthurt about Euromaidan and not letting another slav country live better
>scaring nations into not joining NATO (lol)
>one last urraah before soviet monke dies
>gross underestimation of the enemy with gross overestimation of his own military
I ironically think big monke and his inner circle believed he could be in Berlin in a few days. If they could take Kiev im such a scenario, then invasion makes sense. However even 2014 wasnt nearly as easy as most believe, and even taking Georgia cost more equipment than expected. Combined with Ukraine and NATO prepared for round two, the writing should have been on the wall.
Yeah but that's the thing, the guy said that 'every Russian is willing to die for this'. But what is 'this'. If the Russians don't know, then they won't. Russia has worked hard to install collective apathy into the nation. This is great in terms of making your personal bank account fat because the citizens don't care about the corruption (in fact, they expect it - much like the Chinese) and they don't care about the draconian laws and rules. But conversely, when they need to care about the war because it isn't going as planned, they don't. But as I said, the 'elite', the groups of people that Putin needs to keep happy to avoid an issue are not going to be volunteering to go marching into a trench in Donbas or Crimea or whatever. What happened to the 300,000 that were done last year and the hundreds of thousands of others that Russia claims have joined up? Who knows. Don't question.
Russia could still take Georgia right now. It would be costly, but Georgia's military is so weak that even Russia could do it.
>What exactly are the Russians dying for?
That's the choose your own adventure part. They are there to kill nazis, kill garden gnomes, eradicate the globohomo, save russian decendants, reclaim what belonged to them, end ukrainian corruption. Take your pick. They're all bullshit anyway.
Exactly, they're all bullshit, but how does that sell the idea of the war to some middle class Muscovite who has a cushy well paying job in Moscow or St Petersburg? You ask a Russian why they're fighting and you'll get loads of different answers. You ask a Ukrainian why and it is pretty simple; free our land and people and maintain independence.
Russia thinks that if you cast a wide net of 'reasons' for the war you'll therefore catch loads of people to come and fight. Oh it's about resources, oh it's about gas and oil, oh it's about Nazis, oh it's about globohomo/garden gnomes, oh it's about restoring the USSR, oh it's about... You'll get everybody joining up then! But in reality, a very simple and clear reason - like 'We're doing it to defend our land, people and sovereignty' works a lot better than the gumbo pot situation.
Maybe Russia will pull this all off and the West will stop giving aid and they'll get what they want. I hope they don't
>What exactly are the Russians dying for?
Communist die-hard nomenklatura Boomers mostly.
They're dying so they don't have to live to see the day Russia is destroyed as a nation and its territory carved up into small statelets that can never threaten anyone.
Motherfucker no one wants that shithole except china so figure it out with them.
>comfy government jobs
The state is the biggest employer in Russia.
>every russian is prepared to die for this
Of course. Every one but you.
m60 tank also had a cast turret too
The shill threads will be annoying when one gets blown up by artillery or an ATGM.
Weird because every MBT sent by the West has been lost at some point.
Yes, and the same picture of a busted Leo 2 was reposted by saars from Delhi about 4245 gorillion times.
Yeah. It's not just Indians though, it's just 4chan and /chug/ looking for (You)'s and then go
>I THOUGHT THIS WUNDERWAFFE WAS INVINCIBLE ECKS DEE
If people didn't take the bait and just reported the thread and let it die, things would be a lot better.
I do my part anon
BRICK ME UP, BOYS
slide threads arent against the rules
Sageing does nothing. It isn't a downvote. It literally just makes your post (and only your post) not bump the thread. And reports go to a mod board and they will look at how many reports a post gets before acting.
slide threads arent against the rules
They are, under Global 6, Global 10.
>they know where the mines aren't
So send them through narrow chokepoints or areas with natural obstacles?
no, russia will lose through attrition, kinda like they did in bakhmut.
Wait could you remind me, did they take Bakhmut or no?
You do realize that at the current rate of casualties it will take Russia over 60 years to deplete Ukraine of manpower, right?
>You do realize that at the current rate of casualties it will take Russia over 60 years to deplete Ukraine of manpower, right?
What is your methodology? Total population?
Under a total war economy a nation can typically conscript around 15% of their population. Ukraine has taken roughly 100,000 casualties so far after 2 years of fighting and has 20 million people living in the country as of now.
And you think conscripts fight as effectively as the 95th brigade?
Doesn’t matter if they do or not, if Ukraine needs manpower they’ll use conscripts, and Russia is already using conscripts, so neither side has an advantage in this department.
>Doesn’t matter if they do or not, if Ukraine needs manpower they’ll use conscripts
Ukraine had a standing army of 260k before the war. Over 100k are dead or wounded. Russia has the advantage because their country is held together with plywood and nails instead of duct tape and gum, among the higher population. Ukraine's active + reserve personnel is a higher percentage of its population than Russia, so you are being disingenuous. Ukraine has conscripted much more, and it no longer has an economy
Ukraine doesn’t need to have an economy. Their war is being subsidized by the table scraps of NATO. The 15% number is being generous since it assumes a large supporting population to keep the war going. Ukraine can likely mobilize even more since their civilian populace doesn’t need to worry about that for the most part. More important, it’s been 2 years, and Ukraine has only lost 100,000 people. With up to 3 million people able to be conscripted before manpower starts to become a serious concern, Russia will have to maintain this exact level of intensity of fighting for 60 years at minimum to take out Ukraine. Likely longer.
>Ukraine doesn’t need to have an economy
Stop being a short-sighted milsperg
It's not a good idea to have 90% of your population in abject poverty
If people cannot make ends meet they WILL get angry at their governments, and this has happened in Ukraine multiple times this century
>Their war is being subsidized by the table scraps of NATO.
The economy refers to the exchange of money, trade within the country and trade outside
>The 15% number is being generous since it assumes a large supporting population to keep the war going. Ukraine can likely mobilize even more since their civilian populace doesn’t need to worry about that for the most part. More important, it’s been 2 years, and Ukraine has only lost 100,000 people.
You will not get a single reliable number out of this war, the only thing that matters is geolocated footage of flags being raised at this point
>With up to 3 million people able to be conscripted before manpower starts to become a serious concern, Russia will have to maintain this exact level of intensity of fighting for 60 years at minimum to take out Ukraine. Likely longer.
War is chaotic, not constant. But as I said, Russia will not run out of men, and it can provide the basic living conditions required to prevent armed conflict and uprisings. Russian wages are increasing, and the dreaded sanctions have lead to what, 20% markups on black market products? The US State department planned to obliterate their economy. That push has failed, and it has failed to unseat Putin. It is much more likely that Zelensky is overthrown by a weary populace that makes concessions to leave the war, and for good reason.
Second, you threw out some 15% number. You are assuming that they literally fight to the last 80 year old man. Few wars involve 60 years of active combat, and for good reason. Babby just took a precalculus class and now thinks he knows everything
>If people cannot make ends meet they WILL get angry at their government
Historically trying to make a populace surrender by attacking their civilian populace has pretty much never worked. Russia is no closer to surrendering because the populace of Moscow is being bombed, the Nazis didn’t surrender when Berlin was in rubble, and neither will Ukraine.
>Few wars involve 60 years of active combat, and for good reason
Good job retard, you just figured out the whole point. Russia will grow tired of fighting and leave long before Ukraine runs out of manpower. It’ll pretty much be a repeat of Vietnam or Afghanistan, the political will to continue fighting for Russia will evaporate long before Ukraine’s population does.
>Historically trying to make a populace surrender by attacking their civilian populace has pretty much never worked.
Pop history meme. Even if your only knowledge of history is WW2, this is easily proven false by the A-bombs.
Russia is unlikely to use nukes
Jesus fucking christ. The point is not that Russia has nuclear weapons. It's that anon is regurgitating pop history retardation.
I mean, do you think that anon has ever heard of the siege of Calais? Or know that civilians are targeted in the thousands of sieges throughout history? Sherman's March to the Sea? Bombardment of Sevastopol in the Crimean War? Prussian siege of Paris?
> repeat of Vietnam or Afghanistan
but enough about usa
>Russian wages are increasing
>Russian wages are increasing
While the value of the ruble is declining...
How fat is the janny?
Save this pic boys, this one's gonna get a lot of use, I tell ya...
It will be a lancet barely scratching the paintjob, Ukies evacuating because of ancestral memories of slavic space program autoloader carousels, and the tank being recovered later in working order.
They have been at it for so long that I would not be surprised.
What part of it is lying?
>le both sides
>he thinks I'm for both sides
You all really are brain dead, as is the jannie that nixed my post for free
What part of it is lying?
If they don't control the territory they claimed to have annexed then they're lying. Not losing, how many of you do more than just regurgitate others points when you don't understand a post? It's said to see a PrepHole where the majority of posters can't even think for themselves
>If they don't control the territory they claimed to have annexed then they're lying.
And also losing. Not controlling territory you claim is part of your country after the war is over is losing. That is not a debatable point.
Yes of course. Sorry I forgot I'm arguing with disingenuous shills, but hey that's cool because I win if you're lying.
Tell me what part is disingenuous. It's a fact that Russia said they annexed 4 regions of Ukraine. It's fact that they don't have full control of those 4 regions. It's fact that if they don't take back that territory it can be called a loss. Tell me exactly what part of this isn't fact and why.
So you're just proving my point for me? What are you trying to say?
tbh I don't think UAF would prefer Abrams to go to the front right away, though not due to being depot queens. First of all, is there a unit ready to receive them? I thought most reserves are committed at this point, which would mean a new brigade needs to be generated, and that might not happen before the offensive culminates. Then there's the low numbers, and they just may want to wait until they have more mass to send forward.
As for ziggers waiting breathless for another jpg to spam over and over, I will remind you that unlike Russians, Ukrainians don't make the same mistake over and over. Can't wait to see Abrams doing what it was born to do—waste zigger tanks!
Correct. As your map shows, Ukraine has taken a little bit of territory. It doesn’t matter if they’ll it’s not much, they can continue this for decades until it’s all back.
2 billion is 0.2% of the yearly defense budget of the US alone.
>I heard Robotyne would collapse the Southern front,
All of the people I saw who were saying "Robotyne would collapse the Southern front," were saying it would do so over a period of months like in Kherson City.
>What does this even mean?
The regions Russia or separatists controlled pre-war.
Russia has redefined “winning” as “any war where Russia still exists after its over”, so yes, by that definition, Russia is winning.
So far those stupidest cunts have managed to predict
>That Russia would invade
>That Russia wasn't going to seize kiev in a few days
>That Russia wasn't going to seize kiev
>That Russia wasn't going to close the cauldron
>That Ukraine was capable of large scale offensives
>That Russia wasn't going to keep Kherson forever
>That Russia wasn't going to make Kiev surrender via Hispanicy Doritos.
Honestly, that's a pretty good record.
If /chug/ers hadn't already cut off their dicks they'd have severe blue balls from waiting 18 months without a single event on the ground going their way
The current counteroffensive has severely underperformed, so they have that.
Yeah, but even then it's just their potemkin superpower getting pushed back slower than expected. It's not really going their way, just going against them less than everyone is used to.
If Russia wants to win a war of attrition they’ll be fighting for 60 years.
They're not evil they're just fucking retarded.
What if that just never happens, and you keep losing forever?
It’s true though. How do you convince the Russian population that they lost the Ukraine war? They don’t care about Russian lives, the economy, or land, so saying that they lost all three won’t matter to them. All they care about is mildly inconveniencing their enemies, and so long as they’ve done that, they’ll consider it a victory no matter the cost.
Of course Russians care about their economy. Have you considered that you've been lied about how they live, and that they haven't been reduced to cannibalism and rat meat? Not to mention Putin will just implement price controls on basic needs so Russians don't start thinking "maybe we should kill this guy and ally with the west"
If Russians cared about how they live, they wouldn’t be living in Russia. All the Russians that cared about the economy left the country a long time ago.
Or maybe you know less about their lives than you think you do
I don’t need to know much about their lives, the Russians are all too happy to tell me directly how little they care about 100,000 Russian lives. Every time you bring up that number they just brag about how they’ll send millions more and NATO can’t stop them.
I don't think those are actual Russians, that attitude mostly comes from western vatniks who think Russia is 40k if he real
Nah, even in ironic pro-war Russians will say how their population losses are offset by the population in the territories they’ve annexed
You'll never get them to admit that they lost, but you can get them to memory whole the entire war (eg. polish/soviet war). That will have to do.
*memory hole, originally wrote memory hole the whole war then edited but clicked the wrong word
I'll keep believing my eyes over your feelings
>I heard Robotyne would collapse the Southern front, that is obviously not happening
The claim was that taking Robot would put Russian rails in artillery range which would erode Russia's ability to supply the south.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that they don’t give a single shit about Russia lives. 100,000 Russians dead to them is just a Tuesday, it’s nothing to worry about.
What is the main diff between the m1a1 and a2?
Depleted uranium armor, some more advanced electronics & other polish that make the a2 deadlier against the enemy and safer for the users. I can't remember if the m1a1 had/has DU armor upgrade kits but, even if it does, it's more integrated & baked in for the a2.
I don't really know much about tanks, but my plebeian, casual take is that the a2 probably outperforms the a1 in most metrics by about 10%, with some things (DU armor) providing more upgrade in their category. Someone else with more detailed knowledge & experience can jump in with better & more specific examples. I might be (probably am) wrong on this part, but I think th ea2 has a better, more efficient engine/powerplant ... which may or may not be an upgrade option for the a1. Could be mixing that up with info from a different platform.
You're talking so far out of your own ass that your breath reeks of shit
are you an AI?
Well, at least we know which "school" system (You) were indoctrinated in.
Yeea but that pic of yours is inaccurate, that's a sep3s. Ukrainians are getting M1A1 SAs. Which are still nice, the thermals are just as good as the bog standard sep2 and the TC has a pseudo Hunter-Killer system with the .50 (can't remember the name for it exactly though)
Source: me, I've seen them training on their SAs
The Tsar was German.
The Romanov family was named after Roman Yurevich
You shills suck, that's why you need jannies to damage control
Which means shit, just like the current UK royals renamed themselves to "Windsor" to avoid being seen as germanophiles when all those blue bloods were related and from germanic origin.
Nope. They didn't "rename themelves to avoid being seen as Germans"
They are named after Roman Yurievich, a Russian boyar who was their ancestor, fucking tard.
Romanov means of Roman
The "Romanovs" were actually the House of Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov since 1773, thanks to Sophia of Anhalt-Zerbst AKA Catherine the Great.
Fuck, one of the classic talking points of nazi propaganda was that the bolshevik Untermensch had dethroned the righful germanic ruling family of the Russian Empire.
You vatnik shills are pathetic when you try to talk about actual history outside of your 4chan shithole.
>the consorts were german
>so the romanovs weren't russian
Imagine the model kits.
I was waiting for that all year. And I'll wait another year for the F-16.
They lied to us when they said "two more weeks".
What I really want to know is what Gunther Helmutovich of Berlin oblast and John Klahoma of Alabama oblast thinks.
You aren’t fooling anyone with this, warriortard/Armatard
nah its alread expensive enough as it is just for a few chucle
I would rather be able to afford things instead of another tax hike just for an excuse for the military industrial complex to rebuy all the inventory they thrown away
This war is making a profit for America, not costing us
Profit for the military industrial complex...
if you think any of the profits go to anyone but the corporations you must be delusional
I don’t listen to the opinions of communists
Wrong again, those jobs employ many in the tech and industrial sectors which business has a great ripple effect. You're an idiot.
>another tax hike
Name one in the last 5 years tied to the federal government.
ESL instantly detected you vile non-American subhuman trash.
>the Russians keep making the photos blurrier and blurrier to hide the number of vehicles actually destroyed
>rasha is winning because of defensive victories in an offensive war
I just want to see the first abrams being destroyed that is not killed using friendly fire.
are they glow morons ready to be drafted and die in muh kiev and muh thai-juan.
Caucasian males are sitting out of garden gnome wars. so it looks like your lame cargo shorts are about to get bloody
Honestly? No. I don't have any expectation left at this point. The moment the first burnt abrams pic is dropped I'll take a break away from the internet
They're disappointed as in "Guess it wasn't fair to expect them to do a NATO-style offensive with no air power. Shame, would be cool if they pulled it off regardless." not "Those idiots can't be trusted with anything".
For real. We need to just give them 1000 M1A1s and 100 M1A2s and that should be enough.
am ready to see destroyed abrams
It'll do amazing work, then one is lost to a mine, artillery or an atgm to the hull side/rear and thirdies will shit themselves now that the Abrams is defeated.
You really should step outside, you are clearly agitated. That's not good for your health, you know. I'm worried about you!
That's not a very nice thing to wish upon someone. Who hurt you? You know, the short rush of satisfaction that you feel right now is nothing compared to what you can experience by being a good human being.
how long until its immobilized by mine and then pummelled into oblivion by artillery?
I'm scared. scared to thing what will happen to my beloved Abrams if even the Iraqis destroyed a dozen of 'em, let alone facing a real modern army
Yes fellow western man, we can't let our machines of war go to war, war is much to dangerous for that.
Yes, but it's going to be annoying when they track one and end up spending 3 months spamming about it while the rest of them continue to have casualty rates of 1-10 in their favor.
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