Is .22 reliable enough to CC?

I'll be getting a Bersa .22 from a buddy as my first handgun I'd like to CC but hear Rim Fire is a bad choice. Am I just buying a range toy?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .22 is no joke of a round and rimfires issue of filling the primer pocket completely is mostly resolved making .22 reliable. Considering the large size of the Bersa, theres no reason to carry a Bersa .22 tho. Its too buku

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Burt

    Power argument aside, I would never trust .22 reliability for defense.

    Now back to that power argument. I don't believe .22 is sufficient for defense either.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Small caliber: nonfatal: 38 fatal: 23
      Medium caliber nonfatal:113 fatal:100

      If you where shot indoors youre chances of dying immediately double. Therefore guns are not dangerous outside?

      bubba logic straight from this guys asshole, based on perception of size of bullets.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Burt

        Is this a schizopost?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Youre namefagging on the chans son. If words no longer make sense its because youre retarded.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah. Reliability is the main issue. Maybe if you get a revolver then maybe you can get by with muh shot placement.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Burt

      Revolvers don't force priming compound to work tho

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but you can just pull the trigger again on a revolver, somewhat mitigates the unreliability of the ammo

        • 4 weeks ago
          Burt

          You can do that on DA hammer fired .22s too like the Beretta 21A, Walther P22 or Beretta 92, but if the priming compound didn't fire the first time the likelihood of it firing with a second strike in the exact same spot is low so racking the round out would be the best immediate response.

          https://i.imgur.com/LYW7GAP.png

          Youre namefagging on the chans son. If words no longer make sense its because youre retarded.

          It's the strange tangential indoor/outdoor strawman argument and having the numbers you made up not reflect the point you were seemingly making. At least that's the extent of logic I can decipher from that post. If it's a matter of me not understanding maybe you could restate it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can do that on DA hammer fired .22s too like the Beretta 21A
            No I mean you get a new bullet when you pull the trigger on a revolver, you don't have to worry about clearing a malfunction like with a semi-auto hence the mitigating the unreliable ammo thing

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't believe .22 is sufficient for defense

            One we're changing the goal posts to "is .22 efficient to fully kill your opps" since the way we're collecting these statistics.

            24x4=92..close enough to 100..38x4=152

            So comparatively: 152 vs 113

            Alot of variables are not taken into account to create a full picture here, like how many times did they get shot? Where? did the shooter intend to shoot to kill? inside or outside? since the data suggests inside doubling your chances of death. If you said the data was 100 to 50, which its not. You could then jump to an additional bullshit conclusion that guns are not efficient for self defense outside.

            You produced no data set or even an anecdote on how you reached your conclusion. Thats not big brain shit. Not big brains and guns dont mix well. Maybe you think .22 is a anemic harmless round and get a big brain bright idea to shoot your friends or family with it as a joke, which is a shit and wrong opinion to perpetuate.

            Since were not even talking about making sure someones dead. Just putting fear and pain into someone that they might die. Which statistically seems to be a real concern, according to the data set.

            >We analyzed the charts and CT scans of 49 cases of civilian .22 caliber gunshot wounds of the brain

            >The overall mortality rate of 61% is comparable to that of other series of civilian gunshot wounds

            Now go look up .22 mag dumps on youtube so I can continue to shit on everything you say.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also the situation of shooting your opps in Brooklyn is different than a self defense with a firearm situation. Because, My assumption, is self defense situations lean statistically to occur and a closer range. This is why the Inside outside variable(that doubles the chances of a successful homicide) seems to be a key issue.

              Also if you take 7 to the gut, up close and personal, and feel just fine all your stats are now severely gimped. Which is not even the real world. usually you get one in the spine and start suffocating on your blood or sumthin.

              .22 is not a joke and I stand by that statement.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Burt

              I'm not trying to play gotcha games, I don't recall restating something other than I believe .22 insufficient for defense, but since I neglected to mention exactly what I meant by that, I meant incapacitation not necessarily kill. This opinion doesn't require data, especially not data including executions and gang murders by .22.

              I never said .22 was a joke, or that it wasn't lethal, or that it couldn't be used for defense. You're jumping to crazy conclusions, you're really upset for a reason I don't understand, and I still don't know what those numbers are. Is that supposed to be bullet diameter? Number of deaths? From what when measured by who compared against what? I have no idea what the numbers are supposed mean, you're literally just listing numbers.

              >Maybe you think .22 is a anemic harmless round and get a big brain bright idea to shoot your friends or family with it as a joke, which is a shit and wrong opinion to perpetuate.
              wtf are you talking about? My guy please take a night of sleep before posting more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your hot take looks like something you read 15 times here then started repeating after you might have physically compared a .22 with a 9mm in size and shape. Youre like a monkey study.

                Fatal means someone died getting shot.
                Nonfatal means they survived a shooting.

                we're comparing those numbers to try and extract a conclusion. With numbers gathered from gang bangers playing airsoft with each other with real bullets of various calibers, lumped in to 2 categories. Medium and small.

                Small caliber is what you'd expect. .22's and .25's.. Medium is majority 9mm

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also the situation of shooting your opps in Brooklyn is different than a self defense with a firearm situation. Because, My assumption, is self defense situations lean statistically to occur and a closer range. This is why the Inside outside variable(that doubles the chances of a successful homicide) seems to be a key issue.

              Also if you take 7 to the gut, up close and personal, and feel just fine all your stats are now severely gimped. Which is not even the real world. usually you get one in the spine and start suffocating on your blood or sumthin.

              .22 is not a joke and I stand by that statement.

              you are definitely scitzo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You try to load 45LC into your grandpas 1911 and the range safety officer has to stop you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My eyes close when I sleep, will I be okay?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not if they catch you sleeping.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How can I keep safe from the langoleers? Is .22 short good enough?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                22 short is basically antiquated, 22lr is better, pistols will load 22lr easier, not to mention 22lr is low cost

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cute!

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry a Bersa but in .380. It's not the best tool for the job, but if you like it, it'll work just fine. Neat guns. And .22 LR is the same way. If you shoot it well, why not? If the alternative is no gun, .22 is fine. I'd step it up in caliber if possible though, even if only for the sweet reliability of a centerfire primer.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I used a 22 twice for self defense. Im still doing alright.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People here are going to shit on .22lr bc “rimfire isn't reliable” but if you’d said .22wmr you’d get far less grief about it. If you currently have no gun .22lr is better than nothing. If you plan to carry daily and or live someplace high in crime then plan to get something else in the future

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >live someplace high in crime

      Some things ive learned:
      9/10 gun fights are not your problem not your business. If they are, youre a felony in possession.

      Criminals are at a distinct advantage in a gun fight. They dont care if their back stop is peoples populated cars or houses. We do.

      Theres no way to successfully train for a gun fight, targets move fast and shoot back. Variables like moving back stops as you move have to be accounted for. The adrenaline dump is hard to mimic. Basically your range time is shit and better replaced with airsoft.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cool blog bro. Do you think I was suggesting he seek out a gunfight?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "bigger caliber for increased risk of crimes" is pretty shit noob advice. Better penetration means more over penetration. Better stopping power at a greater distance means youre shooting at a longer distance and increasing your risk of missing and sailing into the world of un cool back stops. "But hey if you gotta lot of crime just get a bigger gun"..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Having something is better than nothing. Some people can't shoot anything with more kick than a .22 because of arthritis, degenerative diseases, or simply old age.
      Keep in mind that .22 LR from a pistol severely gimps an already "underpowered" ammunition choice. Shot placement becomes even more important than it already is for .22 LR rifles when you downsize it to an autoloader.

      .22 Mag is built to a higher standard than .22 LR and as such commands a much higher price on the market. The cheapest .22 Mag you can find online is 20 cents per round, while you can pretty easily find .22 LR which costs only a third, or even fourth, of that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok then its not rimfire thats not reliable, its 22lr

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Some truths are self evident, anon.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would a 22 fmj be able to incapacitate a drug addict and rage if it hit the brain?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you could get a PMR-30 to run reliably I bet it'd be pretty decent for home defence.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A PMR 30 with 30 rounds of 22wmr would give just about anything a pounding, full stop, though it's not really concealable. Honesty if you want small, you have 380 auto and 38 special if you want to pocket carry.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The best answer to all your.22 needs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd recommend velocitors over stingers for the added mass.

      https://i.imgur.com/ht6z1Pm.jpg

      I'll be getting a Bersa .22 from a buddy as my first handgun I'd like to CC but hear Rim Fire is a bad choice. Am I just buying a range toy?

      Test whatever you expect to carry in your gun.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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