Is .22 acceptable for self defense?

Is .22 acceptable for self defense?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anyone that says no can't aim

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't.
      No I won't stand downrange for you to shoot at.
      Yes you are a gay, and yes I will outshoot you with a 9x19.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >internet tough guy is going to out shoot you when you're using a caliber that's easier to shoot and that you can get in 4x as much practice with for your dollar

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          babby gay gonna get his wife raped

          lol k

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you projecting your cuck fantasies?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >very low powered from pistol barrels
      >priming prone to not working
      >bullet crimp prone to failing, causing or making misfeeds worse
      >big rim that together with the weak crimp contributes to difficult magazine design, thus on average less than great reliability with feeding
      A revolver would get you around magazine feed problems, but not the poor power or getting a dud strike. Double-action could let you skip to the next chamber, but that's less than stellar, you wouldn't have to do that with a centerfire revolver unless you were using the shittiest and funkiest ammo in the world.

      It beats a sharp stick, but that's a low bar to clear. If you want a tiny gun that isn't loud, I want to suggest .25 Auto, it has the same ballistics but a far stronger crimp, a far smaller rim, and a dead reliable centerfire primer. Really though, you may as well step up to .32 Auto, you'll have better ammo selection, more power, and with some options more capacity with a gun that's barely bigger.

      I aimed my goo into your dad's ass just fine.

      >Just go with .32 at that point.
      from where gramps.

      Kel-Tec sells one, Beretta sells another. You also have North American Arms and Seecamp. If you wanna look for older ones, there's a bunch from CZ, Beretta, H&K, Walther, etc.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        crimp prone to failing, causing or making misfeeds worse
        I have never had this happen in the tens of thousands of rounds of .22lr I've shot. I've seen bullets end up slightly off axis after a failure to go into battery with a shitty mag that resulted in the cartridge getting rammed against the face of the barrel rather than into the chamber, but never a failed crimp.

        https://i.imgur.com/vGpUUPe.jpg

        8 or 9 tiny rounds where the chance still exists for a dud, together with a way stiffer DA trigger.

        [...]
        [...]
        I find that my life is worth more than saving maybe $100-200 over a period of time.
        Optionally see if you can find a very similar gun in .22LR which you can practice with, that'll cost some, and you'll still have to practice with the larger caliber, but it could save money over time.

        Otherwise, step up to a gun in 9mm Luger, that caliber is generally less expensive than .32 Auto and stuff like that. Something like the Kahr CW9, or the Kahr PM9 (same thing but slightly smaller). Recoil will be a little bit snappy in a very small 9mm, but you can get used to it.

        >I find that my life is worth more than saving maybe $100-200 over a period of time.
        At current prices, that's about 9 1/2 months to save $200 at 100 rounds per month vs 9mm. Alternatively, that's shooting 100 rounds per week rather than 100 rounds per month at the same cost.
        >t. someone considering moving to .22lr with how much ammo prices have increased over the pre-2020 norm

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The crimp failing is less common than the primer failing, but I have actually had that happen myself a couple of times. It probably depends on your gun.

          Ammo is pricier these days, so I get you, but there really is so many drawbacks to .22 for life and death situations. Depending on what gun you have currently, see if you can find a .22 caliber conversion kit (exists for Glocks and CZs), or .22 caliber version of it, so you can practice with that.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Better than nothing, but you can do better, mainly with regards to reliability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Can't reliability be solved with a revolver?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then you run into capacity, sure we're all expert marksmen on a quiet range.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As long as you're fine with 8 rounds and one long ass DA trigger pull. But if you're rocking a .22le revolver, you're most likely either riding dirty in one way or another, so I assume you know what the fuck you're doing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          .22 revolvers are usually for people who can't get any better but them naa mini revolvers are a legitimate carry solution as the lowest profile guns out there either for backup gun or difficult carry situations just load defensive ammo and reliability is fine

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, you can mitigate it, but the gun not going off when you pull the trigger is bad. Center-fire automatics in very small calibers, like 25 or 32 are more reliable, but not really any more difficult to control.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/9blDkYo.jpg

        Is .22 acceptable for self defense?

        Anyone in the Rhett Neumeyer LCR 22lr bandwagon? Seems like he's connected with some vaguely gay online communities but I'm pretty much sold on the revolver.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I like how he shoots revolvers and handguns. Long guns, he's so unorthodox that I'd have to retrain a bunch of bullshit and I cannot be bothered.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        22LR is unreliable in autos because it's a rimmed case and feeding from a box mag for a round that was never intended to do so has long been a challenge. Some are better than others but...
        The second challenge is consistency. To automatically charge the gun everything has to be just right, but 22LR is inconsistent from round to round causing lots of jams, which is worsened by it being such a dirty round too which leads to the next point...
        Revolvers are inherently reliable but only if they are kept clean. It can go bang all day until some debris gets caught in the pawl, or the cylinder stop, or some other mechanism. They have an easy manual of arms but this comes at the expense of a relatively complex (compared to an auto) internal mechanism.
        Carbon fouling from dirty 22LR ammo can exacerbate this but only if it's neglected. Typically people think
        >revolver = reliable
        >reliable = runs when dirty
        >runs when dirty = I don't have to clean it
        Until they run a ton of dirty ammo through the gun over time, carbon fouling collects all around but most critically under the extractor star. The gun heats up from firing, the metal of the cylinder expands and pushes the extractor star against the pawl, seizing the cylinder, preventing it from coming out, which, through it's linkage to the trigger, prevents the trigger from being able to be pulled completely rearward.
        You should notice this by the trigger getting heavier and heavier.
        >tl;dr
        Yes they're reliable but just clean it every few hundred rounds particularly the cylinder and cylinder window

        To your original point I think 22LR is better than nothing. I wouldn't feel bad carrying one but realize that if an attacker doesn't stop because he hears a gunshot or realizes he has been shot he will only stop when he has lost enough blood to function. With a 22LR that's gonna be a while.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So basically I should stop being poor

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you should always stop being poor fren

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's hard for me. I'll try though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, buy a good 22LR revolver, ammo isn't as economical as the golden days but you can still shoot all day on a budget and 22LR is just fun
            It's still viable for defense, just not the preferred option
            Plus if you can git gud with a 22LR snubby DA only then any other pistol will be a breeze

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why not run the magnum cylinder in it?

              Because I dont want to. Now sit down

              https://i.imgur.com/6nm5WBT.jpg

              I carry a 22 Magnum in an LCR.

              Gold Dot makes short barrel carry ammo that is quite reliable.

              The problem is with a .22 you want to dump your target and saturate them with bullets but a 6 shooter isn't going to let you do that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well modern 22LR revolvers hold eight rounds so suck on those two extra rounds!
                That's 1.22 square inches of flesh penetrated bitch
                You'll exsanguinate sooner or later

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in a lcp going from the .380 to .22 models you only go from 6 to 10 rounds of capacity so about half the muzzle energy at that barrel length for less than double the capacity if someone wanted to maximize stopping power they wouldn't carry .22 but like other .22 for self defence situations it's a convenience thing people are familiar with .22 the guns are cheap and the guns are small and easy to carry

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay. do you carry a 22

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                no but them naa 5 round mini revolvers seem real nice for a backup gun or difficult to conceal situations if only they had actual sights

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Noguns as fuck.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >accusing others of being noguns while being this retarded

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is what I believe you children would call a literally big oof.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the tang on that thing is like a needle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nosex as fuck

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        8 or 9 tiny rounds where the chance still exists for a dud, together with a way stiffer DA trigger.

        It's really more about an affordability issue

        Most of PrepHole is noguns who don't realize that the biggest cost of owning guns is ammo to shoot them regularly.

        I find that my life is worth more than saving maybe $100-200 over a period of time.
        Optionally see if you can find a very similar gun in .22LR which you can practice with, that'll cost some, and you'll still have to practice with the larger caliber, but it could save money over time.

        Otherwise, step up to a gun in 9mm Luger, that caliber is generally less expensive than .32 Auto and stuff like that. Something like the Kahr CW9, or the Kahr PM9 (same thing but slightly smaller). Recoil will be a little bit snappy in a very small 9mm, but you can get used to it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe I'll get a shield then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Those are another good option. You could maybe get it a bit cheaper if you look around for a 1.0, rather than buying the newest 2.0, it'll be basically as good.
            Another thing you could do also is to get a longer magazine with a grip extension as your spare magazine, like a 15rd or 17rd one.

            The main goal will be to find a decent but not too expensive brand of 9mm which has the same (or very similar) point of impact with your pistol as the ammo you decide to carry.
            This may take a bit of trial and error, but you wouldn't spend a fortune on it, and you'll still get some practice out of it anyway.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It can be, doesn't mean it's optimal.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Acceptable? Yes. Ideal? Nowhere close.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just go with .32 at that point. Both have no felt recoil and are relatively quiet, but with a lot more performance from the .32

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's really more about an affordability issue

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of PrepHole is noguns who don't realize that the biggest cost of owning guns is ammo to shoot them regularly.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It makes sense to carry what you shoot the most and you can shoot a lot of .22 without breaking the bank

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Just go with .32 at that point.
      from where gramps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good caliber for murder bad caliber for fighting

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based quads boomer.
      >obligatory muh .22 the assassins gun

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    rimfire ignition is too unreliable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I carry a .22. CCI Velocitors are great.

      Stop perpetuating fudlore and start buying quality ammo. I rarely if ever have any issues with CCI.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      CCI is legitimately like 2 or 3x as reliable as stuff like Federal blue box and Aguila. A lot of Aguila stuff is actually terrible.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely, anyone that says otherwise is insecure in their masculinity

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on what kind of .22 you are referring to. I wouldn't recommend .22 short but .22-250 will definitely work.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my uncle says .22 will bounce around in your body and actually has more stopping power than 5.56

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is your definition of acceptable?
    Will it kill someone? Yes
    Will it kill someone before they kill you (aka stopping power)? Not unless you dome them.
    The argument could be made that doming someone with a 22lr is easy because of the extremely low recoil... and they're a retard because of all parts of the human body, the head rarely stays still in a conflict.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >aka stopping power
      >muh stopping power
      the calling card of the gun jerkoff. ive seen more videos of morons scattering like roaches at the sight of a gun than anything else. people always make up these scenarios where some roided out turbo moron high on crack and pcp is coming at you with six rusty machetes and if you have anything less than a 50 bmg in your pocket you're going down

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        is this really the best you can do?
        Fuck man. The quality of bait these days is just fucking sad.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          blow me bubba
          >muh stopping power

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are there better rounds? Yes.

    Do I want to get shot with a .22? No.

    Are you able to use your pistol in a combat situation effectively? There's your answer.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's a rap song. What's it got to do with anything, homie? You know what I'm saying? Yo yo. Ya fool.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        fitty got shot 9 times, thats why the song is called 9 shots. how do you not know this?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sir, this is a weapons board, not a rap trivia board.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He got lucky

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its better than 0.00 caliber and really kind on the eardrums

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a 8.5-11 inch long screwdriver that you can only use as many times as you have bullets. It's lethal enough, but is it enough to stop a guy before he shoots you or knifes you? You be the judge.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >first round stops: worse than every other handgun round
    >total fatalities: more than every other handgun round
    Lessons learned: can you reliably put a bullets in your assailant's brainstem? If yes, its great, especially with new higher velocity rounds like the Velocitor. If no, dumping huge amounts of rounds center mass will not have an immediate effect.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ammo quality is so important in 22LR. CCI velocitors and mini mags are like head and shoulders above the normal bulk ammo in almost every metric and not prohibitively more expensive

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    90% of invaders will be 1-2 dumb shits with no armor that if you put a bullet in them will run away or freak out. You should definitely double tap or mag dump just to be sure if you need to with 22 though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      while it's still safe to assume anyone breaking in is unarmored, you SHOULD assume now that they are on crack or meth and are completely psychotic and will not respond to pain or fear

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's why you hit them with every bullet. Then reload.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm talking about EDC.

  19. 1 month ago
    Sage

    Yes. Just pulling out a gun, any gun, and shooting it in the direction of someone is enough to end 99.9% of any likely theoretical encounters you could ever have in your entire life. There is also an overwhelming chance that you will never use it in such capacity either.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From birds, yeah. Rabbits too. Squirels...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      can i shoot you with it, youll be fine right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'll be shooting back with a 45ACP, so no, you won't make it. You won't even be alive when the ambulance arrives, I'll tell them, nah boys I don't need a ride, I'm gonna pick up coffee and a donut on the way over. ER waits are hours. Maybe call a ride for meatbag here. No hurry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          heh, fag.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Is a slap to the face acceptable for self defense
        >>No
        >Then let me slap you? No? Good enough then!
        >*Gets raped by a moron like he deserves*

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There's a difference between being slapped and being shot even if just by .22. You guys are acting like real life is a video game where the opponent has a 100 HP and 22 does 1 DPS and 9mm does 50. It's ridiculous.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            380s are as small as practical* 22s for a much larger wound cavity and greater reliability. You're just retarded you choose to use a 22 over most anything else

            *That NAA belt buckle revolver and other meme shit like it doesn't count

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              *If you choose

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the downside is almost all 380s are garbage and snappy as a motherfucker

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Except with .22lr you can shoot 3x as much as if you reloaded for .380, and even more vs if you're buying new .380

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What better tx22 or p17

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sure. I carry a Heritage Barkeep for fun. It's doable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why not run the magnum cylinder in it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because I dont want to. Now sit down

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s like 30$? Skip two onions lattes and do it gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not skipping any onions you dumb moron

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Do you even shallot bro?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah but I make your girl leek.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. But the county I live in won't let you put anything under .25 caliber on your carry license. So no for me.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love it for plinking, and I don’t doubt I could fuck someone’s day up with it.. but I get way too many hang fires to be comfortable relying on it as my first choice for self defense…

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I carry a 22 Magnum in an LCR.

    Gold Dot makes short barrel carry ammo that is quite reliable.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is a one inch dick acceptable for sex?
    think of it this way you can get the job done especially with high quality .22 hollow point magnum rounds and a high quality .22 gun but if you are gonna pay up for that why not get a real gun instead? there is a good reason cops and military use 9mm and .45 ACP etc its because it is more effective at stopping and killing the enemy when it comes to pistol rounds same for 5.56 and 7.62 etc they are more effective when it compared to .22 rifles. and keep in mind these are government agents the government would love to outfit agents with cheap shit .22s but its not effective at killing people especially when they have armor or cover
    so in short can you use it yes does it work yes is it ideal fuck no. there are arguable use cases like trying to use subsonic .22s with a fancy pants silencer to be completely covert in an assassination scenario for example but in terms of simple one shot kill power which is the primary factor to consider in SELF DEFENSE as you inquire .22 is sadly lacking in that department.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >using a .22 is like having a one inch dick
      anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dr. Edward Sigmund Freud was a quack and a garden gnome.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yes in fact it is in much the same way as having NO gun is like having NO dick having a .22 is like having a one inch dick
        better than nothing, but hardly ideal

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    beats nothing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      moron Is a friend of mine

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s assumed that anyone carrying a .22 has a small dick. That’s why I don’t carry one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm poor. I don't want to carry one forever. But it makes sense right for my situation. The guns are cheap and I can shoot a lot of practice rounds. It can also share ammo with fun plinkers of which there are many for chumo change too.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your fists not being acceptable for self defense is the real problem.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not only is it acceptable, its all i carry. you dont need these meme, over-powered rounds. ive taken down 150lbs bucks with my .22 derringer.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hell yeah brudder

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    does PrepHole like the taurus tx22?
    ive heard good things about it, like it doesnt jam as much as the glock on most 22 ammo

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's acceptable if it's the best you can get. But what are you, some kind of faggy European or something? You can do better than that.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The people who want to use them as carry pieces are some of the worst shots I've ever seen in my life, so no.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No but the main reason is reliability not lack of power.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/m75FhfC.jpg

      Those are another good option. You could maybe get it a bit cheaper if you look around for a 1.0, rather than buying the newest 2.0, it'll be basically as good.
      Another thing you could do also is to get a longer magazine with a grip extension as your spare magazine, like a 15rd or 17rd one.

      The main goal will be to find a decent but not too expensive brand of 9mm which has the same (or very similar) point of impact with your pistol as the ammo you decide to carry.
      This may take a bit of trial and error, but you wouldn't spend a fortune on it, and you'll still get some practice out of it anyway.

      crimp prone to failing, causing or making misfeeds worse
      I have never had this happen in the tens of thousands of rounds of .22lr I've shot. I've seen bullets end up slightly off axis after a failure to go into battery with a shitty mag that resulted in the cartridge getting rammed against the face of the barrel rather than into the chamber, but never a failed crimp.

      [...]
      >I find that my life is worth more than saving maybe $100-200 over a period of time.
      At current prices, that's about 9 1/2 months to save $200 at 100 rounds per month vs 9mm. Alternatively, that's shooting 100 rounds per week rather than 100 rounds per month at the same cost.
      >t. someone considering moving to .22lr with how much ammo prices have increased over the pre-2020 norm

      The cost of the ammo is the main concern

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not the best thing, but better than nothing

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As long as it shoots it's better than zero for self defense. There's more reliable options though.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think I would honestly prefer a cap and ball revolver to a .22LR pistol for defense, reloading is a non-starter, but at least I can have something .38 Special-like which if loaded correctly, would actually go bang like it should.
    You can even make your own blackpowder if you're inclined.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i just like em

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're fun

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're fun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fun is one of the best excuses to buy a gun, but if my purpose for a gun is something serious like defending myself with it, and I want it .45 caliber, I'm strongly inclined to pick pic related over a Taurus Judge, no matter how fun it is to fuck around with one.
      (Not to say I wouldn't get both for their own reasons)

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pull out a .22 and a .45. Ask the bad guy which one he wants to get shot with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He probably already ran by the time you had your .22 out, the issue is more what the fuck do you do if he DOESN'T run, which is statistically unlikely, but also far from unheard of.
      You can shoot and kill an attacker with a .22, that has also happened, but there's a lot factors which makes it far worse choice of gun for the situation than any .32 or .38 caliber centerfire gun, the margins for error are just way slimmer with a .22

      I'd rather carry an old Safety Hammerless (or imitation) simply for being centerfire and actually shooting a not nearly as tiny centerfire cartridge, even with blackpowder. That's not great either, but I could count 100% on the primer detonating when the hammer strikes it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Get a DA revolver in 22LR. Best of both worlds. 8 chances to fuck up someone's day.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >dud priming still possible
          >still very meek cartridge
          >way stiffer DA trigger

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dud priming still possible
            Technically always possible. Use good ammo. At worst you have 7 more shots.
            >still very meek cartridge
            Most pistol cartridges are meek.
            >way stiffer DA trigger
            Practice.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Technically always possible.
              It's vastly more likely with rimfire.

              >At worst you have 7 more shots.
              I'd rather have 5 or 6 shots (of just about anything) which are extremely likely to fire, than 8 shots which have a not insignificant chance to fail to fire.

              >Most pistol cartridges are meek.
              Not even close to the same extent, 9mm Luger, .38 Special, .45 Auto, these are all magnitudes more powerful than .22 Long Rifle while not being difficult to shoot at all.

              >>dud priming still possible
              It's a fucking revolver. You just pull the trigger again, and at worst you now just have 7 shots instead of 8 which is still more than most people had in a carry gun until more recently.

              very meek cartridge
              It penetrates to an acceptable depth with appropriate ammo choice, and that's all that really matters in a handgun cartridge.

              >>way stiffer DA trigger
              Get good gay.

              >It penetrates to an acceptable depth with appropriate ammo choice
              Just barely. Something which penetrates deeper and makes for more expansion/cavitation is better by far.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You need to buy better ammo. You shouldn't be carrying bulk ammo anyway. The good stuff works. And now there are even loadings designed specifically for self defense with short barrels.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not him.

                > Just barely.
                FBI requirements are overkill. INS/NFU have had way more OIS in the last 2 decades than the spergs in Federal policing and they prioritize 9-12" in heavy clothing or bare gel. Which Fed punch and CCI velocitors meet.

                > Something which penetrates deeper and makes for more expansion/cavitation is better by far.
                Shot placement is king, pen is queen, and the rest is angels dancing on pins. Some dude bleeding out in 30s vs 60s soes me no good if he's currently trying to fill me in at the same time.

                And just to head off orher people putting words in my mouth, I'm not telling anyone to ditch their service pistol for a .22. That's retarded. But if the 9mm or .38 isn't an option because reasons, you can end a mothefucker in short order with a .22. I 've shoved the corpses in a freezer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >INS/NFU have had way more OIS
                What the fuck are you talking about?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Border Patrol wnds up shooting more people every year than the FBI does. I shouldn't have said Feds, because INS are federal, even if they work a very specific locale.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>dud priming still possible
            It's a fucking revolver. You just pull the trigger again, and at worst you now just have 7 shots instead of 8 which is still more than most people had in a carry gun until more recently.

            very meek cartridge
            It penetrates to an acceptable depth with appropriate ammo choice, and that's all that really matters in a handgun cartridge.

            >>way stiffer DA trigger
            Get good gay.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Quality modern .22 LR ammo (CCI velocitors, Yellowjackets) is fine for self defense. I have yet to have a single failure out of my Beretta Bobcat with CCI velocitors. The only thing you really need to make sure of is that your ammo of choice functions reliably in your gun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty

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