Is 180 grain 308 good enough for moose at up to 300 yards or should I get an upgrade
Is 180 grain 308 good enough for moose at up to 300 yards or should I get an upgrade
Is 180 grain 308 good enough for moose at up to 300 yards or should I get an upgrade
>Is 180 grain 308 good enough for moose at up to
probably. though I think you could probably get closer than 300m, considering you likely have feet and legs.
Don’t want to scare the moose
I think it'll be pretty scared when you drive a 308 through its fucking heart. go outside and look how far 300m is. Unless you have the stealth profile of a
drunk elephant with Parkinson's, I doubt you'll spook it at 300m.
Is 308 capable of driving a 180 grain through its bones, muscles and tough skin to reach vitals?
like anything else, with good shot placement and waiting for a broadside or quartering away shot, yes.
real life isn't fallout it doesn't take a million rounds to kill anything
And animals aren’t like a piece of paper either
source?
It'd take a moose for sure, even with the mid ammo you posted. Don't take shots at high angles. I would get closer though. You can literally call moose right up to you.
>Is 308 capable of driving a 180 grain through its bones, muscles and tough skin to reach vitals?
Short answer is yes, but you shouldn't be putting your bullets through a lot of bone or muscle.
>for a moose you want a lighter faster bullet
kek
Nice
I'm a shameless .30-06 fanboy but almost no one hunts with 220 grain bullets. 180 is great for moose.
Now you're talking
It can but I think it’s still a poor choice. 180 grain 308 is not flat shooting so you’re going to need to quickly adjust for range if you see the animal.
150 grain 300 win mag would be a better choice because it’s going at 3000fps so you can sight your rifle at 100 yards and then it will only drop an inch or two at 300 which isn’t a big deal
Yes. Source: killed two moose with that exact ammo.
what kind of shots were they?
shot it in the head at 60 yards
Anything less than 220gr .300WM out of a Bergara B14HMR is unethical cruelty
>220gr
aren't most of those match ammo rebranded as hunting, and with tragically bad terminal ballistics?
Hornady has the best dual purpose 220gr
Skill issue. Practice more, use monolithic bullets
just use a bow if you’re going to use monolithic bullets
Not sure I follow your logic but bowhunting is based, so much love brother
thanks m8. just saying monos are usually cheaper or offer better penetration, but arrows are cheaper (lifetime) and penetrate better. a lot of people underestimate how fast a bow can bleed out an animal I think
Good shot placement with a bow will kill a large animal very quickly, no argument there. Razor sharp broadheads do tremendous damage. But since OP is asking about shots up to 300, I doubt he's got midieval English longbowman level of skill. A copper mono will have great penetration and expansion for moose at that range like you said
>aren't most of those match ammo
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that there are many dedicated hunting bullets in that bullet weight specifically for shit like moose and caribou and brown bear and other largish critters that need deep penetration, minimal deflection in the animal, and extremely high retained bullet mass. It's up to OP to not be a retard and choose ammo that fits his needs.
>many dedicated hunting bullets in that bullet weight
I'm finding like, two. the ELD X (with a ballistic tip) and a round nose soft point. the rest are OTMs like matchkings.
>but that doesn't change the fact that there are many dedicated hunting bullets in that bullet weight
No, not really. .308 cal 220gr hunting bullets are pretty rare these days. If you widen things to 200-220 then there are plenty though and honestly the difference between 200 and 220 is marginal compared to the difference between 180 and 200. A 200gr A-Frame is all you need.
Oh shit, winmag bugera fag is back?
don't worry, he still doesn't have the gun he tells other people to get.
Really? There’s a 300wsm (the patrician’s .308in cart) and b14 sitting in my local ace hardware for like 900 bucks. He can’t afford that even?
You buy a whizm if you plan on taking 3 shots a year because you can't find or afford ammunition.
All three gun stores in my 1500 Person town stock both 243 and 300 wsm. 300wsm is admittedly about 40% more for the same brands as regular win mag, but not into 257 Weatherby territory or anything f
I think it's just from a noguns shithole.
This is antiquated thinking. Bullet construction technology has advanced leaps and bounds in the past 15-20 years. It's not about just weight anymore.
Yeah it's perfectly adequate. Just know your POI at range and make good shot placement. Anons who say otherwise have small dicks
letting an animal bleed out for 500 yards is hardly good enough by todays standards
Skill issue
getting within 40 yards of prey animals takes a lot more skill than shooting at 300 yards
It's marginal at all ranges. You really want a heavier bullet, say 220gr or so, and to push something like that a 30-06 is really the minimum. That was the advantage the old 30-06 had over the 308, they were almost identical shooting 150gr pills but as you got heavier the 308 Winchester just runs out of case capacity for the slower powder needed.
Absolutely - even 150gr old school softpoints will do the job. Moose are big but they aren’t that tough - hit them behind the shoulder and they will drop and bleed out. They aren’t runners like elk or African game
Upgrade to 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag
Either of those are flat shooting and will definitely put down a moose with proper shot placement.
Accuracy is everything but it sure helps with either a 7mm or 300. Trust me I’ve shot 12 moose and 30-40 Elk and more deer than I remember and 3 bear with the 300. Don’t shoot a moose at 300 meter unless you are a really good shot it’s just unethical.
>don’t shoot a moose at 300 meters unless you’re a really good shot
I disagree that you need belted magnums to ethically hunt moose, but, this is Sage wisdom. And “good shot” does not mean you can group on a graded, wind protected rifle range. It means being able to group in harsh multiple crosswind conditions with significant elevation change.
IMO, this explosion of “backcountry” style shooting channels with folks showing off 500+ yard goat kills with their $3000 6.5PRC hand loads has skewed a lot of new hunters on what typical NA hunting conditions actually look like
True you don’t need belted magnums it’s just my preference
>IMO, this explosion of “backcountry” style shooting channels with folks showing off 500+ yard goat kills with their $3000 6.5PRC hand loads has skewed a lot of new hunters on what typical NA hunting conditions actually look like
Yep, but then again it's nothing new. Even well before youtube you'd have fat midwesterners coming out west with shiny new 24" .300WMs and 12x glass for their bucket list hunt while most locals just used their deer rifles in .270 or -06' or whatever with 6x glass at most and usually made their kills inside of 200 yards. Yeah they had more bites at the apple but FFS elk are overgrown deer not cape buffalo.
That said, sheep and goat hunters are crazy everywhere. Those guys will really spend $5000 on a new wildcat takedown rifle and $2500 on new glass just to save four ounces and flatten that trajectory a tiny bit for a tag they're predicting to draw in ten years.
>trust me
>12 moose
>30-40 elk
Yeah I'm thinking LARP
No larp just older than you and I’ve been hunting since I was 10 and ran a backcountry hunting guide service in Alaska and the PNW. I understand the skepticism ,you be you.
I have a lot less experience than you do but I've hunted some big animals and guided for black bear here in BC. What I've noticed over time is that more guys lose animals because they couldn't handle a magnum rifle than lose animals that are hit well with non-magnum calibers. Which is to say I've seen a lot of guys fuck up their shooting, and I've never seen an animal not die from a hit in the breadbasket regardless of caliber.
Whereabouts? Abby anon here, looking for a new area to go...might be solo this year
i hate fuckers who buy magnums and then wound the animals
>I've never seen an animal not die from a hit in the breadbasket regardless of caliber.
True knowledge. A 6" vs a 4.5" hole in both lungs is not going to make a terribly large difference.
I think your problem is that magnum shooters tend to not shoot their rifles that much. Not calling any gays out here (I'm sure you put 500 rounds a month through your 338 ultra mag), just commenting on my experience around boomers and many hunters. Shooting a "magnum" is an exercise in ego flexing, which really does explain much of this behavior.
Based. Shot placement is King. Shot placement is all about competency with your rifle, and regardless of who you are, a heavy-recoiling rifle is more difficult to master annd get competent with. Everybody flinches. Better to master a softer shooting rifle and be certain you can put the bullet right where it needs to go than half-ass your marksmanship with a harder hitting rifle.
>here (I'm sure you put 500 rounds a month through your 338 ultra mag),
most people that actually hunt probably fire all of their hunting rifles combined to a total of less than 100 rounds per year. some of them don't shoot a single fucking box of ammo per annum. its literally 3 rounds to check zero and 3 for durr per yurr.
>ego flexing
recoilet projection.
>recoilet projection.
GRUG BIG MAN, HAVE BIGGEST CLUB. I have seen two guys one up eachother's firearm choice each year starting with a 243 and ending with a 338 Ultra....this was for west Texas whitetail. Yes they continue to fuck up shots and wound deer more often than not. I have also seen a 500 nitro be used against an Oryx. Worst is when that take their 12 y/o son out for his first hunt and just hand him a 300 Win mag the child has never handled much less shot before...I hate boomers so much its unreal.
>3 rounds to check zero and 3 for durr per yurr.
Yup. Most hunters I know are in this camp. Had the same box of bullets from the Clinton administration, last zeroed under Regan. People who give a shit about hunting aren't this way, but 95% of hunters are casuals more there to drink beer and escape the wife.
>GRUG BIG MAN, HAVE BIGGEST CLUB.
we get it, christ, you're a pussy. you don't need to write a tome about how inadequate you are at everything you do.
>Is 180 grain 308 good enough for moose at up to 300 yards or should I get an upgrade
NOT the picrel you posted, as Win Power Points are for small to medium game with thin skin and limited penetration.
Get some A-Frame or Partition bullets loaded into .308 Win and you are golden. Or even some TTSX all copper ones.
This. If 125gr BTHPs are too light, 168gr is what you should be shooting from 308
Like shooting a deer with .223, barely adequate under good conditions cause the margins are getting real slim. 300 yards makes it even more likely to be a wounding shot.
What are you talking bout. 223 can blow straight through a deer
So will .308 against a moose but you're cutting the margins close needing good shots under good conditions at closer ranges with premium loads.
Agreed on the margins but the reality is the overwhelming majority of hunting shots are taken within 300yd, which is well within those margins
Welllllll lets take a peek at chart sonny
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But in seriousness, 180 is fine just pick your shot
This chart retarded. 3006 has probably taken more brown bears and elk in the US than every caliber in that “category” combined over the past 70 years
Bass Pro Shops doesn't know shit about fuck.
People who say just get closer are always fence hopping flatlanders. I live in SE Alaska and most of our quadrupeds are in either cover so heavy it is no possible to "sneak" in, or in the mountains where it takes half a day to get to the next ridge. The get closer crowd means they'll ride their ATV to the other side of the farm field tomorrow morning, because the tree stand over there is closer to where the deer comes out.
ELDs are great in all guises. Matchkings suck in all guises, and so of Gamekings.
What matters in a killing round is bullet integrity and arrival velocity. These are functions of construction and profile, respectively. Sierra's offerings have bottom tier integrity, comparatively low BC, and excess bearing surface to make for lower velocities at like pressures.
Cup and core bullets are fine and they have their place. Are they ideal? No. But sometimes its all a guy has. My last two deer and last bear have all died from 140gr gamekings.
Once these ar all shot out though i have two hundred 127gr lrx bullets to cook up.
Pic rel, exit wound on a deer 236 yards out from a 140gr gameking. Was going roughly 2540fps with 2k ft/lbs on impact.
7mm-08?
6.5prc
what caliber was that? 140 game kings on 6.5 creedmoor?
140 gameking on a 6.5prc. 2960fps at the muzzle.
on an ar platform? sounds Hispanicy
>People who say just get closer are always fence hopping flatlanders
You're fat and don't know how to call anything in
ELD-Ms shed their jackets within inches if they hit the animal north of 2500fps. The thicker jacketed hunting versions are great though
how bad a pure lead cast .308 bullet against 100+kg boar?
For boar? It'll do the job, with extreme prejudice. Just put it right through the shoulder. Would be lacking for moose, though.
Use fmj, will zip right through the moose
Max damage
Mostly nerfed out of their intended brackets making lineups in a minor nation tree where you're lucky to have two good vehicles in the same br even harder. France isn't in a good position but at least they all have enough pen to survive in the uptier forced into them. France also has good aa and light tanks and okay air to pad out the lineup.
You will have 1500 ft/lbs out to +/- 400M that will be perfectly fine for moose. Don't listen to the idiots. Canadians have been using 303 on them for generations, no problem. Just get a good heart/lung shot and its NBD.
Based answer. In the Nordic countries they've been using 6.5 Swedish on moose to great affect for a cenntury. We Americans have a fetish for overkill in hunting cartridges
With the loss of physical combat man had to find another way to demonstrate the size of his phallus.
I need to find the book, but I remember reading memoirs from commercial Elk hunters noting that 22-250 was by far superior to any of the 30's or 7mm. Idk if it was them being experienced shots or retard velocity bullets actually put down game, but they seemed to say it had some special sauce.
A lot of it is shot placement. .22-250 is an elk cartridge for some old timers here in the Dakotas like my grandfather. I’d use at least a .308 on one myself but that’s more because I’d not trust myself to nail the heart every time from 200+ yards, and in that case blowing through both lungs is better than just one.
In South Africa a lot of hunters exclusively and successfully aim for headshots when doing massive cull hunts of various game species, and they do it at considerable ranges. A lot of those hunters use 22-250 and other low-weight high-velocity cartridges for that. It's moreso a testament to the exceptional skill of South African hunters than a praise of the smaller cartridges, but still. Varying hunter culture effects the viability of different calibers
I agree with the poster you quoted, but it’s worth noting that Swedish moose hunting is pretty different than NA moose hunting. Moose are outright pests over there, and their hunting is akin to Texas boar culling - driven or baited hunts with multiple members of the local hunting club coordinating. Lots of targeting of Does and growing males at close range, rather than huge “trophy” bucks.
And even then, Swedes don’t have a tradition of hunting with 6.5mm carts because they’re great for moose, it’s because that’s the cart they could get ahold of easily
>cart they could get ahold of easily
and has been doing a great job of killing those moose vermin
>And even then, Swedes don’t have a tradition of hunting with 6.5mm carts because they’re great for moose, it’s because that’s the cart they could get ahold of easily
I mean, that sweet BC doesn't hurt either. .26 - .28 cal is a real sweet spot.
>A lot of those hunters use 22-250 and other low-weight high-velocity cartridges for that. It's moreso a testament to the exceptional skill of South African hunters than a praise of the smaller cartridges, but still.
This is common in Alaska too, for subsistence hunting. Plenty of people kill caribou and even bears and musk ox with guns in the neighborhood of .223 - .220 Swift, .222 Rem, etc.
Headshots are pretty common for culling operations pretty universally, on game where it's reliable. In the US not many animals bigger than dogs get culled except for pigs; for smaller animals any centerfire cartridge pretty much anywhere works just fine and pigs are relatively tricky to headshot much of the time. I can also tell you for a fact that most of the horses and burros culled in the great basin are popped with .223s to the head.
It's plenty, you're good
I don't hunt but goddam I luv me 308
it can be done but i would go someting bigger. you realize healthy moose weigh over 1,000 pounds right? and their bones are like 10 inches thick