>Iran still can't get repair parts for their ancient American planes
They've had those planes since the 1970s. Is it really that difficult to just make their own? Or, if it is, is it still worth it to use them, instead of just buying some random Russian plane to replace them?
metric to imperial is hard
Honestly, are they keeping them flying just to mess with the US?
The Tomcats are unironically still the best planes they have available in their inventory assuming the Su-35s they were promised by Russia haven't arrived yet.
Iran can only currently domestically reverse engineer and produce copies of the F-5, at best.
>Is it really that difficult to just make their own?
it is for retarded sand people
Unfortunately this hasn't been the case since the adoption of metal additive manufacturing. Iran is slowly reviving all their dead airframes and now has more functional f-14s and f-5s than they've had in a very long time.
>metal additive manufacturing
Based zoomer
You're not getting parts with the required tolerances or strength for an jet fighter that way.
And especially not for the engines.
It's an evolving field and we may get to the point where you can just feed the metal maker CAD drawing and watch it spit out parts, but we are not there.
And depending on the material requirements you will still have to do time intensive heat treating to get the part up to specs.
Also additive manufacturing will always have the downside of being slow as fuck compared to traditional manufacturing.
Not a real concern for the few planes Iran has, but just keep it in mind.
Is it really an issue if you use the part once, then pull it out and replace it with another part after one flight?
Boomers haven't yet worked their heads around parts and tools being so cheap to manufacture you use them once then chuck 'em away.
>just replace every part of the plane after every flight
Ground crews hate him, but this man just revolutionized aviation.
I for one welcome the plane of Theseus.
>Is it really an issue if you use the part once, then pull it out and replace it with another part after one flight?
Yes it is you fucking zoomer. We're not talking about "parts" like the fucking toilet seats on the B-2. We're talking about shit like the Tomcat's wing box. The plane won't fucking fly if you half ass it with chineesium garbage.
>Iran is slowly reviving all their dead airframes and now has more functional f-14s and f-5s than they've had in a very long time.
May I see them?
Nta, but sure
https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Kowsar
https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh
https://en.www.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Azarakhsh
All of those are domestically produces F-5 variants
Holy fucking kek
I'm pretty sure the Dutch Air Force alone could solo the Iranians
No shit, of course anyone flying modern western planes would dog them. But against other thirdies, armed with turboprops, second hand russian trash jets, and chink trash, they're actually pretty good. Personally, I'm just impressed they have an air force at all, let alone some amount of domestic production capacity.
They have a working space program with a handful of satellites. They even went as far as to send two money and two turtles into orbit. I don't know if the animals survived.
They're really not the shithole our media portrays them to be from an industrial and military perspective. Obviously they're not even remotely peer with any western power, but compared to their surroundings, they do well enough given the sanctions they have been under.
>Fuselage, landing gear, engines, weaponry and cockpit instruments appear identical to the F-5E, which indicates that the Saequeh is not a new-built jet fighter, but a modification of existing Northrop F-5s.
If allah wanted his faithful to fly, he would have given them wings.
Until then using weapons of infidels against them is enough.
And he did give them wings:
>The Buraq (Arabic: الْبُرَاق /ælˈbʊrɑːk/ "the lightning") is a magical horse in Islamic tradition that served as the mount of the Islamic prophet Muhammad during his Isra and Mi'raj journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and up through the heavens and back by night.[1] The Buraq is also said to have transported certain prophets such as Abraham over long distances within a moment's duration.
They likely ended up getting china to make spares for them, which is why iranian F-14s are still flying even today despite them having issues back in the 1980s.
https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-is-iran-still-flying-top-gun-f-14-tomcats
They just got some Su-35's didn't they? They traded some of those drones for them.
the f-14 reminds them too much of Top Gun and scientology which conflicts with the other religion that they follow: islam
Isn't an f14 worthless nowadays ?
Yeah all the electronics are decades old and most likely never updated, if they even still work. Those F-14 may fly and carry weapons but in a fight they would all get swatted out of the sky without even knowing they were being attacked.
An F-14 is a serious opponent to anything that isn't an F-35 or F-22. That's almost every airplane in the world. If you think a F-16 or Mig-29 can effortlessly dunk on the aluminum cloud that's a sad miscalculation. It's a solid BVR interceptor with pretty gruesome kinematics and a shocking amount of maneuverability inside the merge for such a thicccc bitch.
Iran has been actively repairing these things with homegrown parts since the mid 1980s. That fleet is actually in pretty good shape. They don't fly as much because they aren't many of them, and they are sort or orthogonal to the rest of Iran's air force in design, mission, and capabilities.
>Iran has been actively repairing these things with homegrown parts since the mid 1980s. That fleet is actually in pretty good shape. They don't fly as much because they aren't many of them, and they are sort or orthogonal to the rest of Iran's air force in design, mission, and capabilities.
i can bet you 10 million dollars that if war was ever to break out we'd find out most if not all of these planes have been unoperable for ages.
Would the Iranians even have any fox 3's for the F14's? It's also got ancient avionics compared to more recent gen4's.
In addition to any HAWKs they've got left, they do supposedly have a working domestic Phoenix clone called the Fakour. Of course, no real evidence that it works, so grain of salt.
>An F-14 is a serious opponent to anything that isn't an F-35 or F-22
Anon, radars and missiles have evolved in the last 40 years, while Iran's F-14s have remained static.
They shouldn't be taken too lightly, but modern AA missiles are a few generations ahead of what they can field.
>evolved
Evolution does not imply improvement. The Tomcat was $250 million (URP) in today's dollars. Most teen series evolution has been to improve availability or reduce price per flight hour. Just because it's newer doesn't mean it's better. Look at the Seawolf class. That's similar late cold war tech but was replaced in acquisition by the Virginia. Is the Virginia better? No it's significantly less capable as an attack submarine. It's also one third the cost. The AWG-9 was easily capable of tracking eagles and vipers the day it was made, and so could do so today. Well beyond the range a viper could solidly lock a Tomcat, less than or equal to a modern eagle. That's assuming zero progress has been made in 40 years. This is not a safe assumption.
>Missiles have evolved
For the better? AIM-54 was retired because only one platform could carry it. Even in 2007 it mogged the shit out of the AIM-120. It's got a huge seeker, massive warhead, and it's literally hypersonic in terminal phase at certain release parameters. Also about twice the useful effective range.
Multiple US aircraft have intercepted them or been intercepted by Persian Cats this year. So I'll take cash, not a check.
>Ancient Avionics
How do you know that? Are you assuming nothing has been upgraded since Grumman dropped them off? Based on what evidence? Because given the extensive modifications they had even by 1988 from baseline, that would seem a wild assumption.
BTW Persian Cats had already been switched to being able to use homegrown HAWK rigs in like 83. I'm pretty sure someone thought to add additional missile capability in the intervening decades. And they claim to have cloned the Phoenix, which is not improbable. It's size and motor are what make it so dangerous, more than it's seeker.
Why, because it's got a dramatically shorter MEZ, lower AAM pk, twice the pilot workload, and is severely outclassed in the merge?
Dude shut the fuck up a single pissed off US carrier strike group would wipe out your uppity shithole in a weekend.
Fuck, the muzzies this board are tiresome crazzies.
Former strike Naval aviator (2008-2019) currently working for Chevron but ok. I'm Catholic btw.
>unverified
Office of Net Assessment and DIA say ~80 AIM-54 kills alone, and NASA demanded a huge tranche of existing AIM-54s be given to them instead of destroyed (all our hypersonic programs currently were based on NASA research on the AIM-54) but you seem poorly informed and angry so I'll let you think what you want.
lol the Aim-54 is a garbage tier failure that never had a successful interception. Unverified brown fabrications from the iran-iraq seethefest don't count either.
>Verification not required.
>If you ignore all of the kills that the missile has scored, then it doesn't have any kills
no? It mogged the Iraqi air force in the Iran Iraq war, was blowing migs up outside their radar ranges. US Tomcats used it a few times too to blow up browns
IIRC the US Navy missed every shot.
Based F-14 defender. homosexuals will call you a towel head, but I know you just appreciate swing wings.
f-14s are based and im tired of pretending they're not
a skilled pilot in a f-14 will mog some recruit in a more advanced soviet plane
now some kino
Because it's got radar and avionics that weren't made when Jimmy Carter was president, that's why.
And you know this how? Are you an Iranian Avionics tech? Or just on a 5 minute break retard posting while your step dads friends reload to pass you around again?
I'm guessing not an aviation et.
What else would they have?
What the fuck are you smoking????
Even an F16V's SABR AESA would rape this thing
Not to mention the massive difference between an F14's RWR kit and modern ones
>the merge
Merge your mouth with my shit
Can't, too busy sucking your wife's tits. But enjoy being a retarded cum guzzling mongoloid, its time you checked in for shift at the truck stop gloryholes operator booth anyway.
>Multiple US aircraft have intercepted them or been intercepted by Persian Cats this year. So I'll take cash, not a check.
this happened only in your imagination because there's no source saying that.
the only intercept american F22 made was with an F4 phantom over syria
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/you-really-oughta-go-home-stealth-f-22-fighter-flew-under-f-4-from-iran/ar-AA1eKxpe
Depends on who your opponent is.
Ironically, F-14 is the plane that Ukraine desperately need right now to counter vatnig MIG-31 and supersonic bombers
So long as their radars are still good, they could be an effective pseudo-AWACS plane. And the Iranians did graft on some SAMs or have their own missile they could compare to the role of the Phoenix.
They may be few in number but the Tomcat could still prove to be a potent fighter.
The Chinese tried to offer them modern replacements a handful of years back, and the Iranians still found them inferior to the cats after testing. 'Made in America's' one hell of an assurance of quality, it seems.
How many do they have???
Allegedly, based on a 2019 "assessment", they have just over 30 functional ones, and 40+ in total, some of which are donors in parts now.
A big advantage of the F14, is the large radar. The F14 beats the F15 and other similar planes in terms of operating in hostile or contested airspace.
Yeah, in 1980
The 2020 F-15 beats the shit out of any F-14
>Iran still can't get repair parts for their ancient American planes
You'd be surprised
https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/pentagon_selling_f-14_parts_to_iran_/
They scrapped almost all remaining f14s for this very reason, so it should no longer be a problem. Sad for fans of the f14, but probably smart.
I know this is an apples to oranges comparison, but they do make parts for their F-5s. Apparently enough that they can scratch build a new airframe every now and then. Granted these things are at about a rate of 5 or 6 every ten years, but they can do it.
F-5 guided by Allah will kill 10 US F-35s.
It's why Iran disables pilot ejection seats and threatens them with pictures and addresses of their families.
The F-14 isn't an F-5. You don't need to recreate the F-14's wing box to make an F-5. They don't have the tools to make that part.
When you have no real domestic airplane industry, yes, it is that hard. Going from nothing to modern day is a complex process that takes a very long time, especially because the iranians aren't as good at stealing things as the chinese.
As to why they don't buy russian planes, it's because they suck (and they already have US planes).
The Iranian government being fundie retards aside, the Iranian Tomcats still deserve respect for dabbing on commie and frog aircraft in the Iran/Iraq war.
what kind of tactical advantage can i expect to get from decorating my F-14 with a hijab catgirl belly dancer decal?
The morality police would like to know your location.
they use the F4E Phantom as well
They have over 60 of those, 40 of which are 'assessed' to be functional and in service. They also have a dozen Mirage F1s.
It's sad they're the enemy, since their air force still operates such kino planes.
I only hope they can die in battle, rather than being scrapped.
They’ll likely be blown up on the ground before they’d ever see battle again
I won't be surprised if the f35 or f22 pilot mess up blowing them up on the ground so they can have a dog fight them in the future.
their air force is a flying museum of the best fighters money could buy in the late 1970s
Do you guys think that when Iran finally decides to retire the F-14 for good, that we could buy some of them back for use at air shows? They've got what are literally the last airworthy Tomcats left in existence
Only if we keep our promise (that we already got paid for) and ship them the F-16s they had bought.
Didn't they cancel it themselves though? https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1979/04/10/iran-cancels-arms-orders-with-us/34686382-1b03-4a8d-a65c-f6e0468e21a1/
Or is that more of our lies just to ship them to Israel?
Depending on source, it seems there was a refusal for the US to ship the already built units, and Iran as a result of that cancelled the order, but we never paid back the partial payments they had made, then we sold them to Israel. Legends say 1 or 2 F-16s did make it to Iran, one of which was taken apart to be reverse engineered unsuccessfully by either Iran or Pakistan, and another that still remains. There's also rumors that at least one of Venezuela's F-16s did make it to Iran before the US intervened, but either way no proof of either scenario.
IDF cope. They operate Russian jets and are actively buying new ones.
Truth is we never intended for Israel to be successful.
>They operate Russian jets and are actively buying new ones.
It would have been better to just admit they're flying F-14s, which are more capable than any Russian vaporware