Interview with drone survivor

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Havent watched the video yet but does he ever intend to return to his homeland.

    Giving an interview like that as a POW pretty much guarantees jail forever if you ever go home

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, Zolkin interviewed hundreds of POWs, of those that were exchanged some were just interviewed in Russia where they backpedaled on their statements. Unless he's wagner he'll be fine.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Giving an interview like that as a POW pretty much guarantees jail forever if you ever go home
      The opposite actually. Russia is one big Potemkin country, where everyone tries to make a show for someone else. In case of this war russian government tries to make a picture for russian populace that everything is good, no one dies, nothing happens, there is no war in Ba Sing Se. Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist, and the best way for russian pow to get back to russia is to get his face on the media where russian government can't anymore deny his existence.
      So yeah, russia.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You've never been over there, your idea of the place is about as real as your chinese cartoon, you homosexual

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol it’s real

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            not an argument mutt

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        except one crucial thing.

        They can choose to supress this information under ton of irrelevant spam and silently remove the guy.

        He's dead either way.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist,

        There's been countless exchanges of POWs between Russia and Ukraine every few months.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, and most of exchanged russians were pilots, officers, chechens or those who showed up in interviews

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    interview starts at 55:35

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a version with subtitles anywhere?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      not english not watching

      Cliff notes summary?

      I don't speak Russian and there aren't any subtitles.

      You dont need subtitles. This is fake. He is an actor and all that drone surrending a psyops.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I can tell your not white
        Either brown or yellow

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dude must be the best actor in history of Russia.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        5 rubles for this weak attempt, you can do better Rakesh.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ignore the dead Ukrainian focus on the Russian

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >dead Ukrainian
            Who? The Wagner guy outside the trench? Yeah, there's more than one.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Haven't seen Ukrainians killing themselves due to nonexistent or lack of any effort casevac.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's Russian

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes, the "It's all just Hollywood propaganda" cope.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sergei you idiot, they of saw right through your demotivational post! Do you want to be send to /b/ spam unit? Posting "Biden is of pedo, pls votings for Mr Trump!" spams all day?? Think Sergei, Think! Blyat!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus not the /b/ group. I would rather go to bahmut

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Real schizo hours

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        cope vatnik, why are you panicking?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he was merely pretending to be participating in an active warzone!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This! only westoids think that russians look like that. No slanted eyes? no brownish skinn? Still has most teeth? doesn't look like 70 by 30? No round faces?

        Yeah no way he's russian

        Yeah western propaganda

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is the main reason I want Russia to be wiped of the map, because that way we may finally get rid of morons like this one.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          ^Wisdom.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can use English auto translate from the settings cog in YouTube. It’s not perfect but it is passable. You’re not going to confuse bahmud for something else.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    not english not watching

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cliff notes summary?

    I don't speak Russian and there aren't any subtitles.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a Wagner soldier showed them the way to this trench and left them there
    >the trenches were filled with cadavers, both ukranian and Wagner and regular Russian soldiers
    >all they did was run from the drone and try to hide
    >one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
    >dude decided to try to communicate with the drone since he had nothing to lose

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia is giving grenades to soldiers for the sole purpose of killing themselves
      End this war right fricking now please god

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, this is the reason to CONTINUE the war.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some of the guys being conscripted don't want to fight Ukrainians or shoot Ukrainian people. They are being forced by Putin to march into Ukrainian gunfire. Why do you want them dead, if they never supported it and it wasn't their decision, you know, them living in a totalitarian regime and all?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because they're still marching into Ukraine.

            When they start using the guns they're given against their whip-masters, then they start to be allowed to live.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They can kill the people trying to force them to fight
            >They can hide
            >They can surrender
            >They can run away and desert
            >They can bribe someone
            >They can flee Russia

            They are a thousand things they can do, but by entering Ukraine they are assisting with the invasion and deserve nothing but a painful death.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >kill the people forcing them to fight
              and put their family in danger, aside from being 100% certain to get themselves killed as (legally justifiably) traitors to the country.
              >hide
              not likely, and then see part one
              >desert
              see part one
              >bribe someone
              if caught, see part one. if not caught, see parts 2-4
              >flee russia
              this is different than running away? either way, they can not, as it has been made illegal to do so and other countries are not accepting male refugees.
              >surrender
              you can't surrender to many forces, especially if the people to the left and right of you aren't. also how do you surrender to a drone.
              They are young men, teenagers many of them, ignorant and scared. I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They have no choice other than fighting
                You are as much of a slave as the c**ts you are defending.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.
                They are fricking invaders, full stop. If you genuinely think they deserve any pity in comparison to the Ukrainians then you are either amazingly smoothbrained or an unironic gaslighting vatnik.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                my man, i know two russki's
                one left the same fricking day the invasion started and its living off drawing futa porn in finland
                the other left when king chimp announced mobilization and works in some industrial warehouse in georgia
                if two nerdy morons that i met because we paint cringy 40k toy soldiers can do that im surve ivan that lives in siberia and has to dodge wolves everytime he goes out to take a piss can fricking do it
                >muh families back home
                you seriously understimate how dysfunctional the whole soviet/russian state is, if you dont show up to the ucraine funtime they arent gonna fricking lazer your whole family like 1984 secret police, they will either ignore it or outright forget it.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago. This whole thing is an awful waste of human life but a dead Ukie weighs far more heavily upon me than a dead zigger.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago
              Doubt it. The vast majority of Russian is apathatic. They just try to keep their heads down and let their dictator do whatever and since until last year the unspoken rule was "We at the top get rich but in exchange don't touch you" it has worked out alright.
              Frankly I think that's the reason why there hasn't been more in terms of mobilization or employment of conscripts in annexed territory (which would be perfectly legal by Russian law). Putin is still afraid of angering the homefront more than he already has.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are (statistically likely to be fat) random people posting behind the comfort of their screens about how good it is people are dying in horrific ways. They are either evil, asleep and conditioned by an evil culture, or shills (likely falling into the former category, but there can be rare exceptions).
            You are throwing pearls before swine, anon.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Russian Legion proves they have a choice. They always did and many mutinies under the Tsars until revolution prove that.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Le Meme Legion is not real. Its some personal media project of Ze inner cicle shithead, like yermak or whatever russia related plant.
              Its been 15 months of war and we had 0 (zero) reports of them having any casualties, even anonymous ones without naming names.
              We haev 0 (zero) reports from a single Ukrainian unit seeing them or cooperating with them on the battlefield. We have 0 (zero) photos or videos taken by anyone, besides few special "jounalists".
              It only exist in your heads and barely in propaganda. It is as halfassed as everything else done by Ze media and his friends. Just like everything the do, it was created for propaganda purposes and then forgotten. Once in few months they are taken out of pocket to remind that such thing supposedly exist and then shelved for another few months.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also, I fricking laughed my ass off, when there were explosions (in Crimea I guess?) and then Ponomarev the russian Deputy aka speaker of Legion spoke and said that Legion takes responsibility for it, but then shortly after Atesh (real crimean resistance) reported that this was their job and Ponomarev backpedaled like incel pushed into a corner and took all his words back.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Following the killing of Darya Dugina, Ponomarev has claimed to have been in contact with a hitherto-unknown group called the National Republican Army which he said claimed responsibility for the killing.[16][17][18] He claims not to be a member but a supporter who is trusted to receive press releases.[19][20] Ponomarev's claims have been treated by observers with scepticism.[21][22][23]

                It sounds like he wants to talk up a big game and made up an organization in his head.

                https://i.imgur.com/lMr63RI.png

                Le Meme Legion is not real. Its some personal media project of Ze inner cicle shithead, like yermak or whatever russia related plant.
                Its been 15 months of war and we had 0 (zero) reports of them having any casualties, even anonymous ones without naming names.
                We haev 0 (zero) reports from a single Ukrainian unit seeing them or cooperating with them on the battlefield. We have 0 (zero) photos or videos taken by anyone, besides few special "jounalists".
                It only exist in your heads and barely in propaganda. It is as halfassed as everything else done by Ze media and his friends. Just like everything the do, it was created for propaganda purposes and then forgotten. Once in few months they are taken out of pocket to remind that such thing supposedly exist and then shelved for another few months.

                The Russian Legion proves they have a choice. They always did and many mutinies under the Tsars until revolution prove that.

                I think Freedom of Russia Legion is real but INCREDIBLY tiny and mostly used for media purposes. Like 50-250 people and kept away from serious fighting. And effectively they're just Ukrainians at this point. The vast majority of elligible military aged Russains would rather run away and flee Russian conscription rather than take up arms.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            And some of those guys are spending their time away from the trenches raping ukrainian women and children.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            They may not have participated by choice, but they didn't choose to NOT participate either. They might not have volunteered, but when conscription came, they didn't run, or hide, or resist. They didn't desert or surrender. They didn't frag their officers or turn their guns on the blocking troops.
            They chose to become participants in evil. And ultimately, through inaction they chose the manner of their deaths. They chose to die meaningless deaths. They chose to die in furtherance of evil. They chose to die in a trench full of rotting corpses, for the benefit of a man who considered them nothing, as part of an army which murders indiscriminately, and does not bother to treat their wounded or bury their dead.
            The world is objectively better because they are dead, because in an almost infinitesimal, but certainly non-zero way, Russia is now closer to defeat and the future further away from barbarity. Other men will live, but only because these men died before they had a chance to kill. Dying by their own hand would have been a virtuous act, had they done so to avoid becoming complicit in a great evil, rather than to avoid personally suffering. Instead, the most meaningful thing those men ever did was to die a meaningless death, ending their own lives to avoid the consequences of their actions and inaction.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              But is it really a choice, when you're not aware you're making it?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >End this war right fricking now please god
        All Russia has to do is leave Ukraine, return all Ukrainians, pay wergild, and offer up criminals to be executed.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >stop the war they started

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/ppWH23b.jpg

        i wish hell was real so Putin would go there when he dies

        >it was him and two other soldiers in that trench, one blew himself up with grenade other one shot himself
        >they sent numerous radio calls to explain their situation and evacuate them but nobody responded

        https://i.imgur.com/uQOUouo.jpg

        >his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."

        And it's doubly fricked how the drone operator says that he perfectly understands his choice to commit suicide because everyone knows there is no casevac and if they try to get out their own they get "zeroed" by blocking detachments.
        Shit's fricking grim, I hope that if the people responsible will be put to justice it will be not only for the crimes against Ukrainians but also against their own people

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russians aren't people.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Memes aside, they are

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's no meme, they show no mercy or humanity, they should be responded in kind.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                sure thing tough guy

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're not going to soften people on Russians, at least not by means of cheap, moronic high-school level shaming. Put some work into it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s a meme, and not even a good one. these fricking kids and old men are being sent to die for the Russian oligarchy, the mafia that currently rules over russia. These poor fricking idiots are brainwashed and sent to their fricking deaths over nothing, for nothing other than a megalomaniacs ego trip. I pray every day that the russian armed forces finally fricking mutiny and turn the assault back into Russia.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They've been carrying this bald midget since 1999, he's literally terror bombed his own people and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection, public discomfort or assassination attempts. Public opinion on the war is hard to assess, but it generally seems favorable towards the war. Sure there are conscripts being sent to their certain deaths, but there are a lot more wagner mercs and career soldiers defending the front lines.
                Same goes for luganda and donbabwe, they made their bed a long time ago and now there are no men in those regions.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection,
                Actually in 2013-2014 was big movement against Putin, but it was stomped and defeated by authority.
                Since then any acts of civilian disobedience are banned in Russia and people trying are immediately imprisoned and fined into oblivion.
                Remember Russian has 400k string Rosgvardia made specifically to right Russian citizens. While initial Russian invasion into Ukraine had. Only 200k troops. Show priorities of enemies for Russian state, who is considered more dangerous: Russian citizens or NATO.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, other people have resist harder, in the face of worse consequences, to stop far lesser evils. There were people who opposed Hitler at a time when even passive resistance could mean dying in a concentration camp. I'll respect the Russian people once I hear of an army officer who tried to suicide bomb Putin. Because three German officers (including a general) attempted to do that exact thing:

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_von_dem_Bussche
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewald-Heinrich_von_Kleist-Schmenzin
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_von_dem_Bussche

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Their culture PRODUCED every Russian social system. They're Asiatics. They chose their fate by being what they are. They're incapable of virtue so why care about them?

                I'll save my empathy for humans.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Proofs? I've yet to see none during this war.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you celebrating the death of a young man? Why?
                Did he kill your people. No, it was Putin that sent him.
                Stop hating the soldier. Hate the politician.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why are you celebrating the death of a young man?
                Because ziggers like him raped children in front of their parents and pillaged their way through ukraine. The truly sad thing is this zigger probably didn't suffer much.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Stop hating the soldier.
                Russian soldiers deserve the hate, they were comminting war crimes against civilians since day one of the invasion: https://files.catbox.moe/pkthoq.mp4

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Stop hating the soldier.
                He had every opportunity to shoot his homosexual commissar in his gay soviet-larping homosexual head.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now that's just sad. If you were to give him a high perm, he'd be indistinguishable from another random zoomie. He, like all the younggays who got murked in the early weeks (I remember people posting the bloody documents of several mobiks, including the photos of some dude and his boyfriend) had no idea what the frick they were doing in Ukraine. He died because some geriatric Black person broke into Stalin's expired copium stash and decided to have a go at the ol' Tsar Of All The Russias.
                Monke should be tried for warcrimes and crimes against humanity by both the Ukrainians, and the Russians.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let them all end like that, they're asking for it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The VatBlack folk celebrate the destruction of Nazi Germany every year. Frick them!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nazis ape out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression
          >get the shit slapped out of them for it
          >Vatniks ape out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression
          >get the shit slapped out of them for it

          Fair's fair.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he still believes Soviet atrocity propaganda
            NGMI

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, Dietrich, the Soviets just built all those deathcamps there themselves.

              Both the Nazis and the Soviets are dead and rightly disdained.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The others deserved it but GPO has zero evidence of it being real and was created only because Stalin realized Russians and Ukrainians hated communism

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fair's fair.
            Except vatniks started the war with the germans while hosting a very similar dictatorship. Yet somehow they are perceived to be part of the good boys since they were not defeated while germans were. That and burgers having this almost child like gullibility when dealing with unhinged asiatics as exemplified by their stupidity of propping up fricking chicom China

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >End this war right fricking now please god
        Why? It's just getting good.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >End this war right fricking now please god

        Why? Russians are enemies of God, Bolshevik scum and defilers of my /k/. If the war ends early they'll just respawn and do it again, Russians being incapable of change.

        Don't confuse them with humans or have human feelings towards them. They're merely bipedal enemies of civilization whose country is responsible for the entire anti-weapons movement world wide.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's the point. total zigger death.

        TZD

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >i don’t feel so good bro
      god damn why is this so gruesome and funny at the same time

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      i wish hell was real so Putin would go there when he dies

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it was him and two other soldiers in that trench, one blew himself up with grenade other one shot himself
      >they sent numerous radio calls to explain their situation and evacuate them but nobody responded

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was the surrendering soldier Wagner or MoD?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        or Russian military is what I mean*

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mobilised

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why is a Wagner soldier showing him around?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because the hierarchy in the Russian forces goes
            >fresh mobik
            >wagnoid penal unit
            >wagnoid barrier troops
            >experienced MOD troops
            >tiktok battalion

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        MOD/conscript. He was a prison officer before the conscription. Wagner dropped the group of them off randomly to hold the trench.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He was a prison officer before the conscription
          Nah. He served 7 years as janitor but was fired and worked as store worker before mobilisation.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        MoD
        But he says Wagner runs the show there. Like they make decisions and MoD officers repeat these orders and send MoD troops according to Wagner decisions. Wagner decided to man this trench so this guy platoon lieutenant gives them direct order to follow Wagner pathfinder guy and man this trench. Also guy constantly says about executiion if they refuse to follow orders and he says it like it absolutely sure and routine thing. Also on the way there Wagner pathfinder told them there would be no medivac if they would be wounded he can only offer them mercy kill.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'll always be amazed at how Russians behave absolutely worse than Black folk and make their lives living hell, yet somehow believe that they're there to make Ukraine a better place.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its philosophy of balance: there is no better: thus there is no good, and thus what russia has to offer, is not bad because for bad you need good. Makes sense, they come from Habarovsk to live it

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's grim as hell. No wonder there are so many suicides. Why is there such poor medevac culture in the Russian military?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why is there such poor medevac culture in the Russian military?

            Because the Russian military and by extension Russian society is a potemkin village. They have some shiny top of the line weapons (5 produced, never see combat) but utterly neglect logistics and medical care. They just throw more bodies at the problem since they feel they have reserves, then wonder why they run out of guys.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            because as their perfect tzar daddy idol Stalin used to say "prostitutes will birth more"

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"I don't feel so good bro"
      Oof and grim-piled

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"trenchzizters...I don't feel so good"

      LOL 😀

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
      And /k/ is using the usual coping mechanism of gallows humor

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is Putin's strategy now to get his men killed in the saddest ways possible so that Ukraine feels sympathy for them and stops fighting?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I recall seeing or reading an interview with a guy that worked ambulances or maybe a doctor or something. He pointed out that in by far the most cases, his patients last word would be akin to "i don't feel so good"

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's been said that the most common last words of a soldier dying on the battlefield is some variation of "mother", with asking for water a distant second.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CC
    >wheel-subtitles-auto translate-english

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      burgers ain't into CC

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      the youtube translator is fricking trash, it spews out incomprehensible shit

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine some dude forces you to take this position at 4 in the morning and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you
      And trying not to stumble over the rotting corpses while at it. Frick.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's good to know he is ok

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting detail. He was sent as part of the platoon to Ukraine from Russia. Not brigade of mobiks, not battalion, not even company. Fricking platoon!
    Russian "organization", no attempt to create coherent trained units. Just grab platoon of guys from training grounds and send them to frontlines to replace casualties.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably a company on paper anyway.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    real nier automata vibes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      More like " Apocalypse now" vibes. Only transition from normal spring day to hell on Earth was more abrupt. He say they (he and now dead other 2 guys) didt really understand what awaits them on the position. Like everything was kind of ok, until they entered trench (he thinks there like 30-40 bodies there,) and mortar shelling started.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >More like " Apocalypse now" vibes.
        The Do Lung Bridge scene, specifically.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick, you're right: Except it's even worse...

          ?t=38

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Two of his comrades committed suicide

    Mobiks sharing a suicide rate with trannies at this stage, might explain the obsession.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Grim
    The Russians in these trenches are fricking moronic for not being able to put two and two together and just surrender. How stupid do you have to be to believe your life is not just being thrown away like fodder

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Like I said

      https://i.imgur.com/L6m34he.gif

      More like " Apocalypse now" vibes. Only transition from normal spring day to hell on Earth was more abrupt. He say they (he and now dead other 2 guys) didt really understand what awaits them on the position. Like everything was kind of ok, until they entered trench (he thinks there like 30-40 bodies there,) and mortar shelling started.

      They don't really get what is happening until they got caught in the trap and door behind them is closed. Tell about... ACK!

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    At 1:20 he says how his commander dropped them off, and fricked off. he had a few provisions, and a rifle. no grandees, no binoculars. just told to wait and shoot at anyone who comes there. oh and there are gonna be a bunch of dead bodies, ignore them.
    he said there were 30-40 bodies, many corpse torn apart
    mostly wagner, and 1 or 2 dead ukies

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit the whole "trying to communicate with a drone to stay alive" gave me feels and chills.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Holy shit the whole "trying to communicate with a drone to stay alive" gave me feels and chills.

      I feel that the UAV operators should just give these units the option to surrender first instead of killing them. I don't think these mobiks fully get what is going on or how bad their situation is. It's not fighting it's just slaughter.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gave me feels and chills.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >war in 2023 is hilarious
    >we now have post match interviews
    I'm waiting for official livestreams, drone coverage and live commentary in 2033.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the pinnacle. Next war will be fought with stones and sticks

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember the comment from the USCM technical manual book. Basically the platoon Commander sits at his counsel watching the stream of his platoon. The CO sits at his counsel watching a stream of his PLs. The Battalion Commander sits at his counsel watching a stream of his COs. So on and so. "Everybody is just sitting there watching the same damb war movie".

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That was already happening with US infantry forces in Iraq 15 years ago.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm surprised they didn't get the zigger to read out a spot for Nord VPN

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm waiting for official livestreams, drone coverage and live commentary in 2033.
      Did you miss the start of the war? I was watching russians invade from public webcams while people posted about it here or telegram. Or the live stream of the battle for the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant:
      https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1085427380/ukraine-nuclear-power-plant-zaporizhzhia
      >Just before 11:30 p.m. local time, someone began livestreaming the plant's security footage on its YouTube channel. The livestream rolled on as Russian forces began a slow and methodical advance on the plant. The column of armored vehicles, led by the tanks, used spotlights to cautiously approach the plant from the southeast along the main service road to the facility.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    i cant imagine how horrifying things must be for russians to now be committing suicide on the front regularly

    and this is just the shit we see, who knows how much more there is behind the curtains

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      vid came out recently of one of those mongol russians, who walks around normally after murdering two of his buddies in their outpost like it was nothing.

      whatever insane stories come from the russian grunts after this war i will probably be inclined to believe them

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        vietnam looks like a walk in the park compared to this shit

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >When it's ten years from now in a public park and the drones the kids are flying start speaking Ukrainian to you

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This guy does a great job making the Bakhmut front sound like hell on earth. He will run that trench forever in his dreams.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    looks a bit like ben krasnow. anyway, godspeed

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Entertainment of seeing Russians die in new and amusing ways every week aside, the utter pointlessness of this war keeps coming back to me. Like, all this bloodshed and waste could have been prevented if Putin just decided not to invade a neighboring country 15 months ago. If he'd packed up all those troops and sent them home after the "exercises" he'd have made the US/UK look like warmongers with all the invasion warnings and caused more friction in NATO. Instead he's crashing his people with no survivors.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      most wars are utterly pointless and barbaric anon

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Existentially yes, but there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly. It's not like they were trying to gain massive natural resources or wipe out a historical enemy or create a new master race. It's just Putin trying to get the band back together after Stalin's ghost appeared to him during a polonium hallucination.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Russians feel that Ukraine is part of the Russina empire, and was stolen from them in a time of weakness. Ukraine has millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves. The oil/gas based oligarch economy can't grow "normally" so they need to grab more oil/gas to "grow".

          Yes, it's idiotic. But if it had gone smoothly, this would have massive boosted Russia and made them much stronger. But Ukies didn't want to go along with this.

          And Russia did this because they project their demographics are just going to get shittier from here on out, so why not now? Putin likely dying from cancer means he has a 5 year window to secure his legacy. He was thinking there'd be statues of him in kiev and shit.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He was thinking there'd be statues of him in kiev and shit.

            When this war's over I hope Ukraine puts up a massive statue on the border like the Argonath in LOTR, only they're giving Russia the finger.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'd love to see them put up huge "NO RUSSIANS ALLOWED" signs.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              One of Zelensky and One of Zaluzhnyi!

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              My vote is for Hollywood style lettering that spells out "Idi Nahui"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/aVHZiaI.jpg

                Double kek

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its because none of the oil and gas money actually goes anywhere except to pay people off, legally or illegally. It's just legal and illegal stealing. That's why they need to invade, their whole political project and associated economy is based on stealing and robbing, like the USSR before it.

            Unfortunately for Putin, you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia or else he'd be dealing drugs like his North Korean and Latin American friends already do.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia
              I'm pretty sure you can, russia has some tremendous fertile lands in the southern latitude. Oil is just more profitable with infinitely less consequences and risks, drugs are business for the lower class in russia.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves.
            So does Russia, they're sitting there unexploited. They also started flattening civvies as soon as they got the opportunity.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Utilizing Russian resources requires investment and that is for suckers, if you create something someone else can always steal it. In Ukraine the resources are already being used meaning you can be a smart monkey and swoop in and take the cash.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                It can't possibly be more expensive than this chucklefrick of a war.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly
          For russians – no.
          For kremlins – very much so.
          Russia being a mafia state is not a meme. It might look half-decent from the outside, but it's pure gang law on inside, literally. All those oligarchs, mayors, governors, politicians, generals and anyone at all with a notion of power, their only function is to use their position and personal connections to make up some financial scheme where they can get enough money for a yacht or two, absolutely all of them, putin included, no one in russia gets in prison for corruption, if they, the reason is most probably just that they didn't give a cut or gave it to the wrong people.
          In such system there is not much room for development, all wealth is most often just taken from someone. Middle ranks and lower often leech on the budget funds in some form or other, budget comes from the higher ranks so in that way they exercise control also. Higher ranks just get direct streams of money from big corpos and industries, like Gazprom, Gazprom is putins personal wallet at this point basically. Higher ranks can't just steal more from the budget, because they create it in the first place, so to expand they require to take over more businesses, get into pocket of others. For some time mid 00' russian economy was growing, post 90' recovery, hydrocarbons price growth, foreign investments. There was a lot of opportunities growing up locally for elites to expand on, however they hit the limit very soon. That's where Ukraine comes in play. A whole new country with business and industries to plunder, billions upon billions of unrealized potential sitting there to be taken. That's where their original incentive comes from, russian oligarchs just wanted to overtake ukrainian ones.
          However, it turned out that world doesn't work like those crooks were thinking, so simple hostile takeover turned into first grade international debacle.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're missing a crucial element: that stolen money is how all actual true political decisions Putin makes regarding laws, policies and such are done. So is how his foreign policy is made and how his ministers are appointed.

            Imagine a country with a executive, judicial and legislative branch, with a foreign policy. Now imagine that every single policy and policy-related decision those branches do at every level has a price tag attached to it. Imagine that every person appointed or hired in those branches anywhere are appointed or hired solely based on bribery and favors, with the expectation that bribery and/or favors will be repaid with interests once that person is hired.

            And that's just the beginning. Now imagine that the number 1 objective of the "legitimate business" of this state is mostly running and increasing or decreasing pensions, salaries, wages, taxes, economic funds, budgets, state-owned companies and various types of welfare and welfare-esque pograms for both public and private organizations, ranging from retirement funds for public employees to laws for state companies to finance for example, movies and TV.

            So you get a government and state running on stolen money, using that money to expand and increase how much more money they can steal. The whole continent-sized country of Russia is just one massive heist, a gigantic robbery. It's the perfect racket.

            This is why Putin isn't politically weaker than before 2022. What keeps him safe is everybody having their pockets full, and if they aren't, then they're allowed to steal to get those pockets full if necessary. It's mafia feudalism.

            Everybody, legally or illegally, is on the take, or can be on the take, or is allowed to be on the take. It's a perfect system, you just have to be willing to play.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      By extension hte madness and decay of Russia is entirely because of Putin. If Putin somehow was a reformer like the west had hoped, Russian society would be a lot more sane and better off. Putin and the Silovarchs opted for both a nationalist and hyper-corrupt mafia state at the same time. You pick one or the other bro! A mafia state can't actually fight or do anything serious.

      Yeah, I laugh at wagners since they're the scum of the earth but wince when I see mobiks and others suffer.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is how all wars are. They are stupid at a metaphysical level. You’re trading human lives for, assuming even the best case, land and resources that were already being made productive by the people you killed. You replace people you could trade with for people you have to pay — accomplishing nothing. War is vanity of the rulers and nothing more.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's an element that's vanity and personality based, adn the other is genuine competition for resources and space. However, we learned from modern economics and trade that it's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires. Nowhere in "The Wealth of Nations" (basically how to grow your GDP 101) does he say invade your neighbors. Especially this is true post 1945. People who got the message prospered. Idiot dictators didn't get the memo and keep wanting to invade each other.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its because to do that you need something of worth to trade. Guess what the states those shithead almost-always revolutionary dictatorships don't have? You ever notice how in general all they got is raw materials?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I find so remarkable about South Korea and Taiwan. They started out as quasi-dictatorships, or at least countries whose people didn't have the ability to vote the leader out of office. Neither one of them is particularly rich in natural resources and at the time of independence, they lacked much industry. South Korea had a lower GNP than the North until the 1970s. Both had been colonies of the Japanese Empire until 1945, and had been monarchies before then. Neither had any democratic tradition to rely on. South Korea had been devastated by war and Taiwan's government was the last surviving vestige of China's tumultuous Warlord Era. Both have been locked into a Cold War with their immediate neighbors who would invade in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.
            Fast forward a three generations and South Korea and Taiwan have the 12th and 21st highest GDPs in the world respectively. Both are power houses in high-tech manufacturing. Both are stable democracies in a region where that cannot be taken for granted. By all rights, they should be third-world nations, but they're not. They're proof that any country can prosper and what's more, they did it all themselves.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Both are stable democracies
              Isn’t South Korea run by a cult?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shh.. we don't talk about inconvenient alternative truths around here

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shh.. we don't talk about inconvenient alternative truths around here

                Hey! South Korea isn't run by a cult! Its government is merely heavily influenced by a cult. There is a world of difference!

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires
          This is literally not the normal state of being, it's only held fractionally together by idealistic nations that know what it's like to lose a war, and how horrible even winning one is.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're presuming the land and resources are being used effectively, which is not always the case. See most african countries. As far as "already people there", that's also dependent on the genetic stock of people. Ignoring the (very real) claims of better or worse genetics, it can be as simple as "I want more of mine" or "less of them".

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This is how all wars are.
        That's how all wars of conquest are. Nations go to war for other reasons, some of them are rational, a rare few are even virtuous.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The way th is conflict works is that Russia is the tactical aggressor, but NATO is the strategic aggressor. NATO deliberatetly chose to encroach on Russias sphere of influence and facilitate regime changes in it's neighbouring countries. If Russia does nothing they lose in the long run which practically forced their hand into tactically invading Ukraine.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        homosexual, the only thing at risk for russia in this situation was it losing influence over ukraine. Russia itself was not under threat and hasn't been since the end of the cold war. Nobody was ever going to attack them, don't pretend otherwise.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union. If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate to include them into they anti-russian coalition then yeah NATO is the fricking strategic aggressor. And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually moronic.

          Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            VatBlack person, the countries on your border do not belong to you, and if they are aligning away from you then it is probably because you are giving them a good reason to do it. Many NATO members were openly questioning the point of the alliance before you went full moron in ukraine.
            >And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually moronic.
            There would be no war at all if you hadn't started it in the first place
            >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.
            You are literally out of your mind.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state of it's sworn enemy and if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys and totally out of line.

              I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not even pro-russia
                Only brain-dead russia simps claim Euromaidan was some sort of "foreign coup".

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence
                Nobody says they can't.
                Yeah, they invade and die there. While we support Ukraine until they free their occupied parts and become a new NATO member.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state
                You must've been really sad when tucker carlson got fired, huh. I would say that the fact you're parroting him word for word is really sad, but we both know you're not quite smart enough to think for yourself.
                >if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys
                Starting a full scale war just to protect your "influence" is generally considered to be a pretty evil thing to do, yeah.
                >I'm not even pro-russia
                You're being far too obvious for this to be convincing, why bother?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia tried to keep playing the same old influence game for a decade or two and got completely and predictably BTFO every time:

                NATO/EU offers you freedom and prosperity
                Russia offers you slavery and corruption

                It's a complete mystery (to only the Russians, it seems) why all the countries in their former sphere chose for the West

                And now Russia has gone full chimpout and flipped the board and just tried to take the stake (Ukraine). And predictably they're getting BTFO yet again when it's a contest of pure power.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also, if Russia wasn't a paranoid nationalist mafia state, they would only see this as benefitting them. They would see a nation on their border getting rich and propsering, which in turns they can become rich and prosperous.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not even pro-russia [but everything they've done is fully justified and I personally support it]
                >Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence [from--- 404 Error: NATO invasion of Ukraine not found]
                >NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting [especially compared to Russian cum which is delicious and I love to guzzle it on a daily basis]
                The unexamined life is not worth living, anon.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.

                You are the bad guys and yes it is that simple

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate
            They didn't. Ukrainians wanted to join the EU. Corrupt russian puppet yanukovych didn't. The Ukrainians rebelled against the russian dictator.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              > Ukrainians wanted to join the EU
              Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
              Which yanukovich for a long time promised he would sign and even hyped it up somewhat, but when the time came he backpedaled hard because putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
                It was a first step.
                >putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to
                I doubt it, since yanukovich is russian agent.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Ukrainians wanted to join the EU.
              The EU doesn't actually care what people want so whatever Ukrainians think is irrelevant either way and that is already asuming your opinion polls are legit which is highly questionable.

              >NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union
              That's right, because small countries can't afford and don't want to have huge military to oppose russia. This is why they ask someone stronger to protect them.
              >If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change
              Or a country decides to join NATO, because of russian aggression?
              >NATO is the fricking strategic aggressor
              And.
              >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable
              >invading
              1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
              2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus, because it's an act of russian aggression to put anti-NATO regime there? If you play by the same rules.
              3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.

              >1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
              Because NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine.
              >2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus
              I'm not a moralgay. If someone wants to invade or subvert a foreign advesary that's fine by me. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of pretending this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault and NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing.
              >3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
              see pic

              >Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state
              You must've been really sad when tucker carlson got fired, huh. I would say that the fact you're parroting him word for word is really sad, but we both know you're not quite smart enough to think for yourself.
              >if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys
              Starting a full scale war just to protect your "influence" is generally considered to be a pretty evil thing to do, yeah.
              >I'm not even pro-russia
              You're being far too obvious for this to be convincing, why bother?

              >muh Tucker
              >muh evil
              >muh shill
              kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine
                Or Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
                >this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault
                That's correct
                >NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing
                That's incorrect. They help Ukraine to gain it's sovereignty back.
                >see pic
                Yeah, so? Every country have the right to join or leave NATO at any time.
                Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>muh Tucker
                >>muh evil
                >>muh shill
                >kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
                I accept your concession, quisling homosexual.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, all these countries asking to join NATO cant possibly be because theres another country of Black folk to the east that always seem to want to invade them. it HAS to be because of CIA glowies that use globohomosexual mind control devices

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Morons whining about NATO expansion always try to bury WHY countries want to join the EU and NATO.
                They don't want you to remember how those were all occupied and suffered under the USSR, and how Russia was already doing shit like Chechenya and supporting Serbian imperialists by the mid 90s.
                Of fricking course any country with common sense wanted protection from them.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ireland isn't part of NATO
                >Russians devise a superweapon to turn Ireland into a radioactive wasteland anyway

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey, rusbro, yeah, you can invade other countries, but we also can help them defend themselves. Looking forward to see your ass kicked.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"? By denying Russia the ability to stomp the Baltic states flat again?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So... which one of those countries did NATO invade and install puppet regimes?
                Can you point to a Warsaw Pact nation where russians didn't do that?
                Face it brownie, russians are just subanimals that no one willingly lives beside. NATO helps keep the filth where it belongs.
                And something else to consider.
                Ukraine being raped by russia again will not make you rich, will not make women acknowledge you, it won't even make people in functional countries think more of you.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's funny how they twist facts to fit their narrative
                while it's true that the right pic shows the situation in 2022, it was also the exact same one in 2004

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why yes, you installing an alarm system in your home and joining a neighborhood watch is clearly an act of aggresion

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union
            That's right, because small countries can't afford and don't want to have huge military to oppose russia. This is why they ask someone stronger to protect them.
            >If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change
            Or a country decides to join NATO, because of russian aggression?
            >NATO is the fricking strategic aggressor
            And.
            >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable
            >invading
            1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
            2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus, because it's an act of russian aggression to put anti-NATO regime there? If you play by the same rules.
            3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
            >this is somehow aggression
            >this somehow infringes on Russia's rights... to conquer and pillage, I guess?
            I often think about why the vatniks and ziggers use this line of thinking. My theory is that they have no concept of personal agency. They project their learned helplessness to other people and only think that the people in Eastern European countries that hate and despise the russBlack person infestation are some kind of mindless flesh robots that are programmed by evil USA to hate muh poor Russia. They simply cannot comprehend that Ukrainians, the Balts, the Finns and the Poles would take the decision to jalign with the West out of their own volition. They do not understand that people have political power.

            Personal agency and learned helplessness is also why you see /misc/cels and other Western individuals fervently support Russia, associated anti-western strongmen and authoritarianism in general. That's why you see them talk about glowies, the deep state, illuminati back in the days, israelites, NATO, EU etc. as some malignant, uncontrollable evil forces, they try to take back some form of individual control of their situation: "Heh, at least I'm not falling for these glowie tricks!" I've noticed that depression is often prevalent in these radical infospaces.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
              In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.

              https://i.imgur.com/Po2fsdo.jpg

              >If Russia does nothing
              You don't get it at all. Your options aren't limited to
              >let NATO expand
              and
              >invade a country
              Surely you must have noticed what a big difference there is between NATO expansion and Russia's expansion. You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
              It turns out that besides doing nothing and invading, there's a third, more civilized option! Imagine that! Interactions with your neighbours can involve things other than violence. Crazy stuff, I know.

              What I'm trying to say is that while the EU provides economic growth and stability, and NATO provides military protection, Russia offers absolutely nothing of value to any of its neighbours.
              Had Russia provided something of value to Ukraine, it would have been very easy for the Ukrainians to justify cozying up to Russia. They speak the same language, they share culture and history and a big ass border. But Russia provides nothing other than increased rates of HIV and poverty, so logically, its neighbours slowly drifted away and cozied up to the west instead.

              Countries doing some math and figuring out that improving relations with the west is better than improving relations with Russia isn't aggression. Countries looking at what happened to Georgia and deciding that they don't want any of that isn't aggression either.

              >You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
              I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically. I'm not a regular on /k/ but i come here for wanting to see war and weapons not some limpwristed homosexual crying about how sending in tanks is crossing the line of diplomatic decency or whatever.
              Actual pussy.

              >NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine
              Or Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
              >this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault
              That's correct
              >NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing
              That's incorrect. They help Ukraine to gain it's sovereignty back.
              >see pic
              Yeah, so? Every country have the right to join or leave NATO at any time.
              Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?

              >Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
              Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
              >Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
              Does yours? If you join a fricking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.

              NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"? By denying Russia the ability to stomp the Baltic states flat again?

              >NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"?
              Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
                Lol, subhuman Black person has no answer, because he knows NATO is a defensive alliance which literally has no mechanism for calling members into an offensive war.

                (And even if they did, and, say, Estonia called in America to stomp russia flat, it would be WELL DESERVED).

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Black person you're literally taking NATO propaganda at face value.
                >they SAY they're a defensive alliance therefore they must be
                Not worth responding to beyond shaming you for having a double digit IQ.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Black person, name the exact NATO article that allows one member to call another into an offensive war. It's public information. Unlike your subhuman Black person mafia state, western states operate by laws, what's written down.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                kek, the rusnig ignored this one
                too inconvenient that NATO literally has no legal mechanism by which to oblige its members to assist in an offensive war, I guess

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'll be honest with you, anon. NATO is ant anti-Russian alliance. And countries are joining voluntarily. Because they hate Russia.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
                Yes, let's just resign ourselves to our fate. This is the learned helplessness I talked about. You do not have the mental capacity to understand the fact that people are capable to make their lives and their nations better.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My entire point here isn't to cry about moralhomosexualry or unjust aggression. I just fricking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping. If you have imperial ambitions or want to establish indepence then you can't turn around and fricking cry about a violent response from Russia. Just accept it like a man and win or a lose a war without b***hing about being a victim ffs.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I just fricking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping
                The only hypocrisy exists in your elaborately constructed strawman argument of NATO expansion. You're a fricking moron.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I just fricking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping.
                The mental gymnastics you;re going through to see Ukraine defending itself from an invader as bad somehow while also seeing NATO as the bad guys in this situation, somehow, would earn you a gold medal. Try out for the Olympics, anon, it really seems like gymnastics is your true calling..

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I already said multiple times that i'm not a moralgay. It's beyond silly to call a state defending itself "bad." All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso for the existance of this conflict as Russia. They could have simply decided to frick off from Ukraine and keep it a buffer state.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso
                You keep saying this laughably insane shit like it's perfectly reasonable and I'm really not sure why. Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's an insane belief among some vatniks that foreign governments were responsible for Ukraine's Maidan revolution. For whatever reason, they can't comprehend that it was a revolution in response to Russia's attempt to puppet Ukraine. From there, the conspiracy theory leads to the logical belief that these foreign governments then orchestrated everything leading to the war that Russia "had to" initiate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Crazy how all these mental gymnastics eventually lead to Russia having done nothing wrong, right? But no this zigger is totally just neutral, lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'd be emberassed to type this
                >Actual pussy.
                Great argument, Black person.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
                Check the list of countries that were invaded by russia in the last, like 20 years. Georgia for example.
                >If you join a fricking "alliance" against your direct neighbour
                First of all, Ukraine wasn't joining NATO, that was said before the war - because was a corrupt shithole with a strong pro-russian movement at that time. You're incorrect. Again.
                >and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
                Says who? russia? You can disregard their moronic opinion.

                But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
                That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care. My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.

                Ukraine was already neutral, you fricking smoothbrain zigger. It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
                >admitting to being a tourist
                >I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically.
                I'd be embarrassed to mistype the word embarrassed while writing out a comment visibly full of asspain and trying to use that as part of the insult.
                >If you join a fricking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
                Clown world logic.

                >It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
                NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.

                it's funny how they twist facts to fit their narrative
                while it's true that the right pic shows the situation in 2022, it was also the exact same one in 2004

                >it was also the exact same one in 2004
                So what? The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.

                >In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO.
                Why is it fine for russia to force terrorist pro-russian regimes like in Belarus, but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
                >You don't need "protection" if you're neutral
                Yeah, but you forgot that russia were pushing Ukraine towards russia and took away Ukraine's neutrality.
                >and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
                That's a funny thing to hear from someone citing russian propaganda word to word.

                >but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
                First of all whether Ukraine wanted to join NATO willingly is up for grabs. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but either way it doesn't impact political intrests of any side involved in this conflict. Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.

                "NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway, you disingenous shill.
                This war was about reconquering the Russian Empire and stopping Ukraine from joining the EU, the real trouble for Putin's regime plans.
                Ukraine in the EU would have undercut or made irrelevant the russian natgas supply to the EU that's the basis of Russia's political system, and the necessary political reforms neutered their political influence. A prosperous and less corrupt russian speaking Ukraine was a nightmare for the leaders of the russian mafia state.

                >"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway
                Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
                >source: dude trust me
                Lmao at your failed thread btw

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition. If Russia feels threatened by that They are projecting. Actually they didn’t just project, they invaded.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition.
                Are there actually subhumans that buy into this line? "Bro they call themselves the good guys...they must be the good guys" just kys

                >All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso
                You keep saying this laughably insane shit like it's perfectly reasonable and I'm really not sure why. Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?

                >Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
                Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO wienersuckers. A shame. Hope they pay you for this.

                >My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
                If you look at it from imperialistic russian standpoint - then yes. Evey country that borders russia must be coerced into submission. But that's considered bad.
                Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
                >That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care
                Yep, they figured out that they would join together instead of go under russia.

                >Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
                Imperialism is based, so no. I don't fricking care that some whiny b***h complains about being conquered or defeated in a war. I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.

                >YOUR people want to join the eu and the west
                >russia pressures you not do that by sanctioning you and threatens war
                >you comply
                >russia still invades you anyway lol
                >you would never be able to join the west because of conflict with russia , obama literslly riterate the u.s position and that ukraine , georgia wouldnt be able to join like ever.
                >randomly invades ukraine for no reason again despite the fact it knows ukraine would never ever be able to joinn the western block. The western media happily parroted russia state propaganda for the whole of 2014 to 2022.
                >waahhhhh nato expansion
                Nato expansion is the most moronrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.

                >Nato expansion is the most moronrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
                Ok so NATO expansion exists, NATO is characteristically anti-russian and that they couped the Ukrainian government in 2014 with the intention of Ukraine eventually joinging NATO, but somehow Russia just shouldn't care about this because reasons even though NATO never backtracked on anything.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO wienersuckers.
                Since you're admittedly lost and looking for a specific kind of wiener to suck, I suggest you head over to

                [...]

                where you can find plenty of the Russian wieners you love so much.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
                Black person if NATO was actually involved with this war it would've been over a long time ago.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right, we're just gonna pretend like NATO fell into a coma for the past 30 years or something.

                https://i.imgur.com/Pw9aTZX.png

                >The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
                NATO as a defensive alliance was being seen as an useless dinosaur by the 2010s, and just a way to have common military standards between western countries.
                Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.

                >Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
                NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.

                Use your brain for a minute and think about it.

                Why can't sovereign neighbours join a defensive alliance if they so choose? Why must they bow to Russia?

                Yes, they're just so hostile to russia despite never having fought them in the entire 75 years of it's history. This vatnik is starting to come apart at the seams. Tell us more about how Russia has never had imperial ambitions towards ukraine, lmfao

                When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fricking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions. Don't know how much more i can dumb it down for you. Probably still too high level for NATOshills to understand.

                >Imperialism is based, so no.
                And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you moronic?
                >I don't fricking care that some whiny b***h complains about being conquered or defeated in a war.
                Then don't whine about russian collapse.
                >I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
                NATO send weapons to Ukraine, nobody doubts that. What's your point?

                >And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you moronic?
                I don't, actually. I'm saying that i fricking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong and have no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe if you played less map games your brain wouldn't be so smooth

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yeah i fricking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol". You are such a worthless, inbred, moronic mutt it's disgusting. You are so fricking lost in your own ass that you ACTUALLY think your neighbour joining a hostile alliance isn't aggressive behaiviour. Every 16 year old HOI4 player has a better understanding of geopolitical conflicts than you and i'm not joking.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh yeah i fricking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol".
                Aww look, we hurt his delicate fee fees.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dont be moronic and we won’t treat you like one

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If people enter alliances around you for no reason, then it can signal that the alliances are directed toward you. If there's no discernable reason for an alliance to be directed toward you, then it can be perceived that the alliance has aggressive intentions toward you.

                But when there's obvious fricking reasons why the alliance was created, because of YOUR own aggression, then that whole argument is thrown out the window.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                When I play a strategy mapgame and I invade a bunch of countries, and then my neighbors enter into coalitions as a result, I realize my actions have consequences and don't see it as an aggressive action.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted.
                russia didn't meet the requirements to join NATO. Why would we let a country, that don't want to join NATO - join?
                >The fact that they didn't means that
                Russia didn't want to join NATO.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fricking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions.
                >NOOOOOOOO THEY SEEK COLLECTIVE SECURITY AGAINST MY CHIMPOUTS, HOW COULD THIS BE???? I AM OFFENDED, I AM THE VICTIM!
                Maybe you ought to stop playing your multiplayer strategy mapgames like a chimping out Black person, then.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
                More russian lies.
                Russia never sincerely wanted to join NATO, because that would make them equal partners without imperial ambitions, and they would have needed to reform their weapons procurement, armed forces and cut corruption. All of which was against their ambitions and internal mafia state.
                > i fricking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong
                The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia, like France and Germany did since the 90s up to the 2022 invasion. Their naive Ostpolitik appeasement was a mistake.
                >no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
                literal wife beater logic.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >autistic HOI troony reveals itself
                Go take a long look in the mirror.
                Then have a nice day.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Imperialism is based, so no.
                Then what's your problem with NATO expansion? Isn't that soft power imperialism?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO is characteristically anti-russian
                OH GEE I FRICKING WONDER WHY

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm a nihilist liar than doesn't believe in anything but might makes right, so everybody must be the same and are lying too
                The russian orc mindset in a nutshell. They can't understand people genuinely believing in something good and honest, no matter how self interested it is.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Imperialism is based, so no.
                And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you moronic?
                >I don't fricking care that some whiny b***h complains about being conquered or defeated in a war.
                Then don't whine about russian collapse.
                >I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
                NATO send weapons to Ukraine, nobody doubts that. What's your point?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
                If you look at it from imperialistic russian standpoint - then yes. Evey country that borders russia must be coerced into submission. But that's considered bad.
                Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
                >That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care
                Yep, they figured out that they would join together instead of go under russia.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia
                Because they don't allow russia to invade NATO countries?
                >tactically responding by invading Ukraine
                Yep, but that's bad.
                >NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
                How many countries think this way?
                >The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia
                Police is antagonistic towards criminals, does it make policemen bad?
                >Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate
                Again, it's a bad thing.
                And again - don't cry when they bomb you as an act of retaliation of intervention then.
                >Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
                It's not like they put their puppet and a shitload of turncoats in Ukraine in a second.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
                This vatBlack person cannot be fricking serious

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                But does HATO have P-R-O-O-F-S?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
                You know nothing about russian history, lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > NATO is a strategic agressor against Russia

                > NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia

                > Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.

                Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you and justifies a war of aggression against them. Flawless logic there lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you
                Yes you fool. IT IS. You think sovereign neigbours joinging a hostile alliance ISN'T a fricking aggression against from said alliance??? Do you think these things through before you type them out you absolute gigaBlack person mutt?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Use your brain for a minute and think about it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why can't sovereign neighbours join a defensive alliance if they so choose? Why must they bow to Russia?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, they're just so hostile to russia despite never having fought them in the entire 75 years of it's history. This vatnik is starting to come apart at the seams. Tell us more about how Russia has never had imperial ambitions towards ukraine, lmfao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you arent trolling you are actually braindamaged.

                Stop consuming russian propaganda, it rots your brain.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Abuser mentality.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
                NATO as a defensive alliance was being seen as an useless dinosaur by the 2010s, and just a way to have common military standards between western countries.
                Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine was already neutral, you fricking smoothbrain zigger. It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
                >admitting to being a tourist
                >I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically.
                I'd be embarrassed to mistype the word embarrassed while writing out a comment visibly full of asspain and trying to use that as part of the insult.
                >If you join a fricking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
                Clown world logic.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO.
                Why is it fine for russia to force terrorist pro-russian regimes like in Belarus, but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
                >You don't need "protection" if you're neutral
                Yeah, but you forgot that russia were pushing Ukraine towards russia and took away Ukraine's neutrality.
                >and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
                That's a funny thing to hear from someone citing russian propaganda word to word.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                "NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway, you disingenous shill.
                This war was about reconquering the Russian Empire and stopping Ukraine from joining the EU, the real trouble for Putin's regime plans.
                Ukraine in the EU would have undercut or made irrelevant the russian natgas supply to the EU that's the basis of Russia's political system, and the necessary political reforms neutered their political influence. A prosperous and less corrupt russian speaking Ukraine was a nightmare for the leaders of the russian mafia state.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YOUR people want to join the eu and the west
                >russia pressures you not do that by sanctioning you and threatens war
                >you comply
                >russia still invades you anyway lol
                >you would never be able to join the west because of conflict with russia , obama literslly riterate the u.s position and that ukraine , georgia wouldnt be able to join like ever.
                >randomly invades ukraine for no reason again despite the fact it knows ukraine would never ever be able to joinn the western block. The western media happily parroted russia state propaganda for the whole of 2014 to 2022.
                >waahhhhh nato expansion
                Nato expansion is the most moronrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/alr6T5x.jpg

            >Ukrainians wanted to join the EU.
            The EU doesn't actually care what people want so whatever Ukrainians think is irrelevant either way and that is already asuming your opinion polls are legit which is highly questionable.
            [...]
            >1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
            Because NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine.
            >2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus
            I'm not a moralgay. If someone wants to invade or subvert a foreign advesary that's fine by me. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of pretending this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault and NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing.
            >3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
            see pic
            [...]
            >muh Tucker
            >muh evil
            >muh shill
            kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.

            >countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
            In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
            [...]
            >You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
            I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically. I'm not a regular on /k/ but i come here for wanting to see war and weapons not some limpwristed homosexual crying about how sending in tanks is crossing the line of diplomatic decency or whatever.
            Actual pussy.
            [...]
            >Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
            Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
            >Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
            Does yours? If you join a fricking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
            [...]
            >NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"?
            Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.

            >But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
            That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care. My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
            [...]
            >It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
            NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
            [...]
            >it was also the exact same one in 2004
            So what? The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
            [...]
            >but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
            First of all whether Ukraine wanted to join NATO willingly is up for grabs. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but either way it doesn't impact political intrests of any side involved in this conflict. Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
            [...]
            >"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway
            Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden. Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia? Because if you admit to that then you're picture loses all of it's luster since NATO could always just decide to frick off and relax.

              >NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
              More russian lies.
              Russia never sincerely wanted to join NATO, because that would make them equal partners without imperial ambitions, and they would have needed to reform their weapons procurement, armed forces and cut corruption. All of which was against their ambitions and internal mafia state.
              > i fricking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong
              The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia, like France and Germany did since the 90s up to the 2022 invasion. Their naive Ostpolitik appeasement was a mistake.
              >no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
              literal wife beater logic.

              >The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia
              Ok so you are on some next level NATOshilling. Actually crazy.

              ukraine wasn't even joining nato, the revolution of dignity was sparked because yanukovych cucked out to pressure from russia on signing an eu co-operation agreement that had already passed parliament

              The writing was on the wall. NATO literally couped the previous government and you think they'll just go home for no reason after that? Don't be silly.

              If people enter alliances around you for no reason, then it can signal that the alliances are directed toward you. If there's no discernable reason for an alliance to be directed toward you, then it can be perceived that the alliance has aggressive intentions toward you.

              But when there's obvious fricking reasons why the alliance was created, because of YOUR own aggression, then that whole argument is thrown out the window.

              Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you play your childish strategy games like a chimping out Black person?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I knew the second i made that comparison you midwits would swarm at it like hyenas. I bet internally you think to yourself
                >there is just no way that intuitive video game logic could blow my argument out the water that easily...things are so much more complex and this guy is just silly
                When in reality you are just SO fricking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water. At this point you're just a combination of subhuman IQ + undeserved smugness.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >When in reality you are just SO fricking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water.
                kek, the moron doesn't know that the every grand strategy game's ezmode is peaceful coexistence, alliances and trade, it's just boring to play that way.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't suppose you've noticed that real countries don't act like bots in a subpar, overpriced wargame.
                Maybe the reason you're being mauled by hyenas is because you're deliciously moronic

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >knows it’s stupid to say
                >does anyway
                Yeah this is a humiliation fetish

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                entirely logical is it not ?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia?
                Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia? If so, then being anti-Russia is a good thing.

                You, Boris, do not have the right to invade Latvia and enslave its population. And if you try you'll get a giant B21-shaped boot shoved so far up your ass you'll have an imprint of the Northrop Grumman logo pushing out of your forehead.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia?
                Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine. And no some interventions in pebblestates god knows where aren't sufficient proof for imminent Invasions of real countries.

                >It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
                The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong homosexual lol
                >Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.
                I guess the current invasion doesn't count as aggression when your head exists in clown world, lmfao

                >The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong homosexual lol
                The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if.
                >I guess the current invasion doesn't count
                It doesn't because it's IN RESPONSE TO previous NATO aggression. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.

                >NATO coup!!!!
                This is such an asinine lie. Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit? How the frick does that work? The president at the time had literally been caught red handed rigging a previous election and he was an ex-con that ran a street gang in the USSR.

                >Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit?
                Yeah. Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact. George Floyd summer, France every half a year, you name it. Protests are just for show 9 out of 10 times they don't mean shit. But even if i granted you that there was popular support for NATO from the Ukrainians this wouldn't actually impact the geopolitical interests of NATO or Russia in the slightests. Just look at all the times the EU didn't give a shit that their reforms were unpopular. Likewise no one cares about what Ukrainians "believe."

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine.
                ...said the rusBlack person with his boot pressed firmly on Chechnya's neck.

                And when are you pieces of shit going to give back Karelia to Finland?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me. I just googled Chechnya and this is what came up. You expect me, or any real country, to fricking care about that pebblestate? Russia can rape it 20 times over i'm still not gonna take them seriously enough to think they'll plan to invade Sweden next summer. Let's ground our expectations here.

                https://i.imgur.com/Ju4y5NX.png

                Black person, NATO countries like Germany, Italy and France were selling weapons technology to Russia until 2014 and some even continued until 2022.
                Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression", the invasion/annexation of Ukraine was going to happen anyway. Everything else is just russian propaganda pretending that the Cold War was still a thing.

                >Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression"
                Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow. That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis. Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to frick up Russia in under 15minutes.

                https://i.imgur.com/HsTb5bV.jpg

                >The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if.
                >implying
                Can't help but notice you left out poland, there. Isn't that interesting?
                >If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case
                This is what happens when you get all your history information from boomer news television

                Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland the same way they threaten to nuke the coastline of Britian.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                not an argument mutt

                Imagine thinking this will help Russia or change anyone’s mind

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                showing individual mutts how moronic they are is just a pleasant sunday distraction for me, I don't expect /k/ golems to think, no

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You just going to keep saying mutt?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes, why not?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice to know The US lives Rent free in your head

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                nice to know the label bites enough for you to cope

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You say as the entire thread triggers you? Or are you here by chance?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't chose what's in the catalog
                keep projecting mutt

                lmfao my guy you have been embarrassing yourself in front of a live studio audience for the last three hours

                keep your delusions to yourself, this is a thread on PrepHole you total Black person

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this is a thread on PrepHole you total Black person
                he said, desperately hoping no one will remember his utterly embarrassing autism tantrum

                last (You)'s, make them last

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Get your story straight, your the shitposter, you want (you)s ya fricking amateur

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for a morning's entertainment, gamer, I enjoyed laughing at you over my coffee.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >this is a thread on PrepHole you total Black person
                he said, desperately hoping no one will remember his utterly embarrassing autism tantrum

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao my guy you have been embarrassing yourself in front of a live studio audience for the last three hours

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow
                As is Finland.
                >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to frick up Russia in under 15minutes.
                And they will whence Ukraine kick russian occupants out.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Let's ground our expectations here.
                >T-that doesn't count! Let's ignore that since I fricked up and said something stupid!
                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
                450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
                >Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland
                I accept your concession

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
                Anyway, this shouldn't matter. Even if a country was 1 meter away from moscow.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                So this is how they justify their wars, interesting

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                correct komrad*~~) the pravda of the matter is that russkiy mir is whole globe*~~) we will conquer it all*~~))

                You didn't get me correctly. If a country was a meter away from moscow, it wouldn't be right to invade it.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ah ok

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                true, I'm moronic

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                correct komrad*~~) the pravda of the matter is that russkiy mir is whole globe*~~) we will conquer it all*~~))

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >russian Black person doesn't live in the russia he's so proud of
                You still haven't explained how a DEFENSIVE alliance whose only function is to protect small countries from Russian attack is "aggressive."

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You really hate it when people bruise your ego. Christ you're one fricked up loser. You just can't let an internet argument go.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I am simply asking you to have a nice day.

                Russia has shown time and time again that it is not a country that can be trusted. They lie constantly, have propangandist say that they will march up to Berlin and Warsaw, and morons talking about destroying England with a nuclear tsunami. It is not a normal nation, which you can discuss and operate with. It is an abusive state. A regional power thinking they are still on top of the world. They fricked around, now they find out.

                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
                You fricking baboon, you typing apes, Burgers can drop a Minuteman in Moscow in less than 30 minutes. They don't really care about getting a "foothold" in Ukraine for your fantasmed HATO invasion of Russia. Nobody wants to invade this shithole. If we wanted you gone, you'd be vaporized into shit particles by a W84 faster than you can type "HATO expansion" with your cum covered hands.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me
                Bullshit, you're a tankie or a diapora snow Black person.

                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
                So what? So are the baltic countries, and Ukraine wasn't going to be allowed in NATO, nor it wanted to join. It's all a lie,
                >That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis
                any modern nuclear missile system doesn't give a frick about the difference in distance, nevermind that Cuba became irrelevant since nuclear submarines.
                >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to frick up Russia in under 15minutes.
                NATO countries were selling Russia military hardware up to 2022, you disingenous c**t. The only thing NATO and the EU wanted up to 2014 was to sell Russia more stuff.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If there are no benefits to Ukraine joining NATO then why coup their government in the first place? Since we know that NATO does in fact do those things it stands to reason they see at least SOME benefit for themselves by encroach on Russia

                >Mass media engineers fake protests all the time
                Okay, walk me through your thought process here.

                So a glowie walks out into the open with his group of 50 hippie glowies who are all on an indefinite payroll to start ranting about something. Then what? They just sit there "protesting" until more people join them? For how long? How can they even guarantee this "fake protest" takes off? How can they also guarantee this "protest" even goes past their own plants? How can they continue gaining funding for what is basically standing around shouting? How can they guarantee it working for days, weeks, if not months just so they get some people to care? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on signs and petitioning certain people at news stations? How does no one catch onto that operation when people look at the CIA's books or a FOIA gets asked about their dealings?

                You realize that people need some sort of cause to rally around, right? Something that the general pleb out in the real world can understand is morally bad and can join in fighting back. What do they even gain from protests against their own government and the people who pay their salaries in your French example? Kicking out the current PM?

                Some mass protest being spurred on by glowies is only realistic if it takes months to do with tons of monetary investment so that their actual idea lays roots, but at that point they can't even guarantee people will follow the original idea. Wallstreet is a good example of a shitshow that immediately collapsed as soon as Ketchup and that other pansexual or whatever guy started talking about their "terms". Look at how the "No Work" subreddit collapsed because of a single interview.

                Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing. It's not like global warming demos or vaccine demos are totally organic either. Propaganda works.

                >did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO?
                Yes they did lmfao [...]

                That's a threat in relation to NATO, not Ukraine in itself. Try again moron.

                Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
                Russia on the other hands has repeatedly made threats on all its neighbors, and other countries that don't obey their temper tantrums. Those threats come from their internal propanganda along with official statements. This is not a normal attitude to have with their neighbor. Normal countries don't regularly threaten their neighbors with invasion and nuclear holocaust. But now, finally, Russia put their foot down and actually did the funny by acting upon their threats and now you see its citizen getting blown up in the middle of blowing each other.
                But again, you should sincerely have a nice day.

                >Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
                You Black folk are so dumb. Literally how can you guys fall for this argument 5 times in one thread. Do you have any fricking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh coup
                Frick off the Russian puppet would have kept his his station if he didn’t flee to Daddy Putin when he got nervous

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Propaganda works.
                Correct. You're a prime example of a propagandized moron who has attached both his ego and worldview to the erroneous reality fed to him.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                My guy, Ukraine did not magically appear in the world already part of Russia. Russia conquered Ukraine multiple times throughout history. Picrel is just one example, this is the exact lack of understanding of russian history that people have been mocking you over.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Do you have any fricking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
                The fact that nations voluntarily join because they are afraid of Russia

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You fricking goon. NATO was starting to break apart because no one thought it was needed. Then Monke chimped out and now it’s stronger than ever

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                There was no NATO coup or encroaching, it's a russian lie, made up to justify conquering Crimea and subverting the Donbass. No main NATO country cared for NATO anymore before 2014.
                Maidan and the rest wasn't about NATO, it was about the EU. Both aren't the same at all, and the second is what Putin's Russia really feared.

                [...]

                Finally you show your true face, pedo
                >no mercy to traitors.
                Russia is the country of thugs and traitors that betrayed the EU's sincere Ostpolitik, KYS

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing
                Okay, so now explain how this "simple answer" works.
                Do they bribe every single newscaster in the country? Who are they "organizing" with? How does no money get tracked to any of these people when people constantly pull tax forms and income on news stations and governmental agencies for shits and giggles? How do they push the exact same story to every single news agency and expect them to read out the same dialogue verbatim outside of a press release which immediately ties said press release to a company?

                You ever think that maybe, just maybe, these are natural issues we should think about that are promoted by people within their fields and not a government psyop to get people to sit at home all day not doing any work while using less resources which the rich themselves also have to follow? What do individual governments gain from following "Global Warming precautions" in your fantasy world when it requires hundreds of billions if not trillions of expenditures that shut the countries down for weeks arguing about budget that also keeps tens of thousands of workers furloughed? All so random solar panel and wind turbine owners can gain money? Things we already import from China?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No it’s obvious all the israelites, every problem is israelites, they do everything

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                There's also the fact that when glowies DO want to force a regime change, they just pick a prefered side in an 'intervention' like in Libya and Yugoslavia. Much easier than trying to do some propaganda masterpiece.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If western glowies were half as good as moronic tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s instead of those rumours about Clinton helping Russia kill Dudayev.
                And speaking of Clinton, he was forced to allow NATO expansion in the 90s when countries like Poland blackmailed him by supporting and financing the Republican party, lol. Vatniks and tankies are brainwashed morons that don't know anything about history:
                https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,986677,00.html
                Just like with Israel or Cuba before, a lot of the US foreign policy about Eastern Europe was the result of diaspora lobbying groups from those countries, in this case the Polish American Congress

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If western glowies were half as good as moronic tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s
                This, a thousand times this. If HATO glowies were such master plotters, Pocciya would've been split between Ruslandia (Muscovy, St. Pidorsburg, and dependencies), the Trans (kek) Siberian Republic, the Kavkaz Emirate, and the Chinese Protectorate of Kamchatka.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wish france sold mistrals to their master.
                It'd be so fricking kino to see it fisted by 4 neptunes

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick you I live in Baltimore and that shit was real

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if.
                >implying
                Can't help but notice you left out poland, there. Isn't that interesting?
                >If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case
                This is what happens when you get all your history information from boomer news television

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If the west has this much control how could you ever hope to win? This is a humiliation fetishist

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No True Scotsman for invasions
                Cool, hadn't seen that one before

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Answer quicker frick face

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact
                >France every half a year,

                >let me tell you about your country
                ta gueule pédé

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
                UwU what's this
                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/russia.ukraine

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ok so you have an article saying that Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO in 2008? Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!
                Yes I did, thanks! It's a bit of an inconvient article for you, isn't it?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine
                Georgia?

                It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden. Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia? Because if you admit to that then you're picture loses all of it's luster since NATO could always just decide to frick off and relax.
                [...]
                >The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia
                Ok so you are on some next level NATOshilling. Actually crazy.
                [...]
                The writing was on the wall. NATO literally couped the previous government and you think they'll just go home for no reason after that? Don't be silly.
                [...]
                Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.

                >It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
                What about Ukraine?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Georgia?
                Real countries only.
                >What about Ukraine?
                The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't. Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO so if NATO simply decided to frick off and do nothing none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.

                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow
                As is Finland.
                >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to frick up Russia in under 15minutes.
                And they will whence Ukraine kick russian occupants out.

                >As is Finland.
                Yeah that's a decent point, but the history of Finland and Russia is a bit different compared to Ukraine in Russia so it's not 1:1.

                https://i.imgur.com/YU6Bokb.jpg

                >Let's ground our expectations here.
                >T-that doesn't count! Let's ignore that since I fricked up and said something stupid!
                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
                450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
                >Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland
                I accept your concession

                >I accept your concession
                There is no concession unless you think there is a credible threat of Russia invading Poland. Beyond absurd.

                >russian Black person doesn't live in the russia he's so proud of
                You still haven't explained how a DEFENSIVE alliance whose only function is to protect small countries from Russian attack is "aggressive."

                Hey inbred just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys." I said this 3 times already and there are still subhumans that make this argument. Even 85 IQ Black folk would think you're moronic.

                I am simply asking you to have a nice day.

                Russia has shown time and time again that it is not a country that can be trusted. They lie constantly, have propangandist say that they will march up to Berlin and Warsaw, and morons talking about destroying England with a nuclear tsunami. It is not a normal nation, which you can discuss and operate with. It is an abusive state. A regional power thinking they are still on top of the world. They fricked around, now they find out.

                >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
                You fricking baboon, you typing apes, Burgers can drop a Minuteman in Moscow in less than 30 minutes. They don't really care about getting a "foothold" in Ukraine for your fantasmed HATO invasion of Russia. Nobody wants to invade this shithole. If we wanted you gone, you'd be vaporized into shit particles by a W84 faster than you can type "HATO expansion" with your cum covered hands.

                Funny how the narrative ITT is that NATO is too above it all to care about invading Russia, but Russia is on it's way to annex Poland, Sweden, the Baltics and basically the entirety of eastern Europe. Definetly consistent with reality.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >is a bit different compared
                Ok too meta man

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO?
                Yes they did lmfao

                https://i.imgur.com/TrCjWhR.png

                >. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
                UwU what's this
                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/russia.ukraine

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Russia threatens anyone who doesn’t want to be Russified

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                and US threatens anyone who doesn't want to be Black personified, perfect match

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he hasn’t seen the new VDV recruits

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                does not make US any less of a Black person worshiping nation

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I love how you frick will admit to anything just to say Black person, it’s like 2007 on /b/

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks he talks to someone who cares what is 'admitted' about Russia
                mutt, your masters spread homosexualry all over the planet, you have enemies everywhere, including Europe
                stop inhaling your own farts

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Is all you can think of are israelites and gays?

                Putin is israeli, the oligarchs are israeli, Russia has trans clinics, the Russian army has homosexual behavior based in

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >please don't talk about the israelites, we amerimutts are a glorious nation
                >muh russians
                I don't even like the word, but this is pure cope
                that's what most of /k/ is here for really - yes, there's something rotten about my country, but facing that is harder than coping though failures of others

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What’s it like putting everything you are into a dying nation?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                you're going to have to be more coherent than that
                sorry, I know I'm asking much

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon what do you even get out of this? Do you actually think, frick I don’t even know at this point, that saying Black person and mutt on PrepHole does anything?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm getting some pleasure of out it, it is pleasant to correct someone unjustifiably self assured
                and what harm is there in calling mutts mutts, and saying they worship Black folk? I really do think that, and slurs are intentional

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Christ self reflection has become a rare thing

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Darkly hinting is not an argument

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                There is no argument, just you screaming slurs as he watch bemused

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no argument
                Indeed, I suppose I should not have expected one

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking moron

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What happened to being done with replying, zigger?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You think cum/chug/ers have self control?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please be understanding. He’s lonely and this is the most efficient way to get attention

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >unjustifiably self assured
                yea about that..

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                you forgot the "to correct" part, not by accident too

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                ESL moment

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                here we go, the last redoubt of a mutt
                >muh language
                if you did not understand something, just ask for an explanation

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking moron yes I’m a bot beep

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                He's still replying lmfao wow

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                so are you, so why mention it
                I was waiting for something of substance from that guy, a mistake

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Esl moment

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >so are you, so why mention it
                Because you claimed to be done with replying in the post you deleted lmfao everything you posted in this thread reeks of a russian with a bruised ego

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >muh russians
                mutt, I don't know what posts you're talking about, I'm the person reminding mutts they serve something monstrous
                >muh replies
                to the mutts that devolved into complete moronation, I will continue replying in the thread if it pleases me

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cum /chug/er

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                prostitute

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                well at least you had enough imagination not to hind behind muh vatniks

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                As in prostitute for Russia you fricking piece of shit, go jack off to children on /misc/

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                no russian ever called me a bigot, mutt

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Too busy shitting up Europe and sucking israeli wiener

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, I lost the plot, we're talking about the mutt empire now?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fricking moron this is why the ideological enemies of the west always loose, all you can do is deflect and deny reality, you always frick yourselves over with extremism and denial

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >of the west
                the west has died in 1914-1918, there is no ideology outside of what suits the capital and is possible with changes in technology
                >deny, deflect
                I just want mutt tentacles far from Europe, and Russia our gas station

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he's still going
                lmao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                and you still have nothing in response

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                MUH DICK how’s that for a response?!?!?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’m impressed you managed to one up your own stupid statement

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd be impressed if you managed to make a point

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                MUH DICK

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no russian ever called me a bigot
                >He conveniently forgets "And you are lynching Black folks"

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not a mutt, obviously

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                YOUR BROWN

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Someone online called me bad, so I will side with mass murdering troglodytes to dab on twitter badge holders

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                those badge holders represent the tentacles of amerimutt "culture" and influence
                >I will side with
                mutt, I know it's tough, but try to understand, you don't need to side with russian empire to hate your masters

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Scizo babble at its finest

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >there is no influence
                >there is no culture
                well here we agree
                >there is no elite class ruling over mutt plebs
                hecking "scizos" am I right

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >YOOOOOU HAVE OVERLORDS WHO CONTROL EVERYTHING BUUUUT I DONT!!!
                Lol

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                we all have overlords, your are more malicious than others, and mine are more homegrown, for what it's worth

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >mine are more homegrown
                Jesus Christ you can’t make this shut up, the shit you fricks say, I hope this is just trolling by this point

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I can't hecking believe what is being said
                ok, and?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I genuinely hope you aren’t as hair brained and blind to your own hypocrisy anon, I seriously do, no one deserves to be as ignorant as you act.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                spell it out for me, do your good deed of the day

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah in reality I hope you suffocate on your own bile, have fun being king of shit mountain you gay, have a rotten day

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Now that's pathetic, you had some point in mind, all you had to do was curtly explain

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Go on anon say the line

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I AM a member of the CIA, and YES I will be looking into you later today
                >lol no you’re not
                So you’re lying then about everything?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Muh ego

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                ah the know it all blind spot

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                claim what you want about what I wrote, but at the very least I am direct
                you're not even coherent

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Esl moment

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
                Russia on the other hands has repeatedly made threats on all its neighbors, and other countries that don't obey their temper tantrums. Those threats come from their internal propanganda along with official statements. This is not a normal attitude to have with their neighbor. Normal countries don't regularly threaten their neighbors with invasion and nuclear holocaust. But now, finally, Russia put their foot down and actually did the funny by acting upon their threats and now you see its citizen getting blown up in the middle of blowing each other.
                But again, you should sincerely have a nice day.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Real countries only.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't
                Yes they did, you liar. And Ukraine NEVER eased up to NATO.
                >Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO
                Another red herring and a lie while he was buying NATO military hardware (like tank thermal sights and many more )
                >none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.
                Another lie. Russia was always going to try to annex or invade Ukraine, because it along Belarus are the core of their imperialistic ideology.
                > just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys."
                But we they are "good guys", and have proven so at every turn. Specially when they bombed Serbia to stop the decade of genocides and war in the Balkans that they started.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I wish NATO would invade russia just to shut your prostitute vatBlack person mouth

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Real countries only.
                That's a real country.
                >The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't.
                Yes they did, when they started to poison opposed to russia politicians.

                If there are no benefits to Ukraine joining NATO then why coup their government in the first place? Since we know that NATO does in fact do those things it stands to reason they see at least SOME benefit for themselves by encroach on Russia
                [...]
                Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing. It's not like global warming demos or vaccine demos are totally organic either. Propaganda works.
                [...]
                That's a threat in relation to NATO, not Ukraine in itself. Try again moron.
                [...]
                >Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
                You Black folk are so dumb. Literally how can you guys fall for this argument 5 times in one thread. Do you have any fricking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???

                >why coup their government in the first place
                russia alone says it was coup. Why do you cite russian agenda? Especially since we all know they always lie.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >pro-russian shill is also an anti-EU shill
                pottery

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick Greece?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They didnt like austerity measures and wanted to recieve money without those.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                MUH DEBT

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Mass media engineers fake protests all the time
                Okay, walk me through your thought process here.

                So a glowie walks out into the open with his group of 50 hippie glowies who are all on an indefinite payroll to start ranting about something. Then what? They just sit there "protesting" until more people join them? For how long? How can they even guarantee this "fake protest" takes off? How can they also guarantee this "protest" even goes past their own plants? How can they continue gaining funding for what is basically standing around shouting? How can they guarantee it working for days, weeks, if not months just so they get some people to care? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on signs and petitioning certain people at news stations? How does no one catch onto that operation when people look at the CIA's books or a FOIA gets asked about their dealings?

                You realize that people need some sort of cause to rally around, right? Something that the general pleb out in the real world can understand is morally bad and can join in fighting back. What do they even gain from protests against their own government and the people who pay their salaries in your French example? Kicking out the current PM?

                Some mass protest being spurred on by glowies is only realistic if it takes months to do with tons of monetary investment so that their actual idea lays roots, but at that point they can't even guarantee people will follow the original idea. Wallstreet is a good example of a shitshow that immediately collapsed as soon as Ketchup and that other pansexual or whatever guy started talking about their "terms". Look at how the "No Work" subreddit collapsed because of a single interview.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
                The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong homosexual lol
                >Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.
                I guess the current invasion doesn't count as aggression when your head exists in clown world, lmfao

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.
                >Russian aggression doesn't work as well these days
                >The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO, /ˈneJtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord, OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 31 member states – 29 European and two North American. Established in the aftermath of World War II, the organization implemented the North Atlantic Treaty, signed in Washington, D.C., on 4 April 1949.
                >NATO defense is laughibly overblown

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >you're not allowed to keep your sovereignty because... the countries Russia invaded were small
                lyl

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO coup!!!!
                This is such an asinine lie. Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit? How the frick does that work? The president at the time had literally been caught red handed rigging a previous election and he was an ex-con that ran a street gang in the USSR.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO literally couped the previous government
                the "coup" was literally the popular revolution sparked by yanukovych reneging on the eu treaty

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                even the fragment of nuland's phone conversation vattniks love to parrot hasn't a word about organizing a revolution or overthrowing yanukovych, it's about getting un diplomats involved and reaching out to yanukovych on how they'd prefer the prime minister's position that yanukovych was going to give to either yatseniuk or klitschko, to be given to yatseniuk who was the more experienced politician
                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >yatseniuk or klitschko
                and these were both pro-protest, pro-eu guys already

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Black person, NATO countries like Germany, Italy and France were selling weapons technology to Russia until 2014 and some even continued until 2022.
                Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression", the invasion/annexation of Ukraine was going to happen anyway. Everything else is just russian propaganda pretending that the Cold War was still a thing.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I knew the second i made that comparison you midwits would swarm at it like hyenas. I bet internally you think to yourself
                >there is just no way that intuitive video game logic could blow my argument out the water that easily...things are so much more complex and this guy is just silly
                When in reality you are just SO fricking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water. At this point you're just a combination of subhuman IQ + undeserved smugness.

                Grisha, pls go and stay go

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Every one of the people in picrel is on the CIA's payroll.
            >Wait, why are you guys laughing?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If Russia does nothing
        You don't get it at all. Your options aren't limited to
        >let NATO expand
        and
        >invade a country
        Surely you must have noticed what a big difference there is between NATO expansion and Russia's expansion. You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
        It turns out that besides doing nothing and invading, there's a third, more civilized option! Imagine that! Interactions with your neighbours can involve things other than violence. Crazy stuff, I know.

        What I'm trying to say is that while the EU provides economic growth and stability, and NATO provides military protection, Russia offers absolutely nothing of value to any of its neighbours.
        Had Russia provided something of value to Ukraine, it would have been very easy for the Ukrainians to justify cozying up to Russia. They speak the same language, they share culture and history and a big ass border. But Russia provides nothing other than increased rates of HIV and poverty, so logically, its neighbours slowly drifted away and cozied up to the west instead.

        Countries doing some math and figuring out that improving relations with the west is better than improving relations with Russia isn't aggression. Countries looking at what happened to Georgia and deciding that they don't want any of that isn't aggression either.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >on Russias sphere of influence
        Kek, Russia is not entitled a sphere of influence, this is not food stamps, they have to put in the work so the other countries gravitate towards them.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the frick up vatnik

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    /k/ feels like one of the only sane places left on PrepHole. So many other boards I get drawn into schizo rantings about conspiracies to take down the white race.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      100% agree, I've been homeless on PrepHole for a long time now until I found this board. Good number of sane people still able to drown out the shills and schizos

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Birthrate and immigration is still a reasonable concern anon, outside of the schizo takes. It's just haram to bring it up when discussing guns.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    At 2:17:20 the 2 drones almost crashed into each other, it'd be fun if he watched the 2 drones he was communicating with collide and crash. Very embarrassing for piggers.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't stop seeing Rebel Alliance Trooper in Endor style Woodland camo and gear with that thumbnail.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This russian shill created his own thread about "MUH NATO BAD":

    [...]

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    guys his NATO thread was nuked so he's back to posting here

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is why you shouldn't play paradox games, kids

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ukraine wasn't even joining nato, the revolution of dignity was sparked because yanukovych cucked out to pressure from russia on signing an eu co-operation agreement that had already passed parliament

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a certainty they'll join nato now once the war is over though

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, they suffered enough.

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're posting in a Dennis thread

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how long until he start spamming gay porn to own NATO

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah threads about to hit bump he’ll be gone in a minute

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >he says blatantly declaring he’s from /misc/ to shit up the place
    Are you even capable of self reflection anymore?

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Byebye /chug/ ziggerhomosexual, you're more than welcome to come around whenever you're ready to get humiliated again.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The Bear will show no mercy to traitors.
    fricking cringe lmfao

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >deleting his post before archive
    Oh man what is it with you freaks and trying to save face on an ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is it about people named Ruslan that makes them so based?

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like this. It gives hope to the other mobiks that they have a chance if they just surrender

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm waiting for him to complain about a
    >le epic troll b8'ed lmao gottem
    annnny second now...

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh god you just know he’s either taking screen shots or posting links here on /misc/, christ

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.

    To recap: Ukies have interviewed the russian soldier that surrendered to them around Bahkmut. He was a mobik left behind to die in a trench filled with corpses along his comrades by Wagner mercenaries. His hopeless buddies commited suicide but since he was not wounded, he sucessfully tried surrendered.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.
      He kept replying even after hitting 300, i think this moron genuinely believes the bullshit he's spouting

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