Not really, Zolkin interviewed hundreds of POWs, of those that were exchanged some were just interviewed in Russia where they backpedaled on their statements. Unless he's wagner he'll be fine.
>Giving an interview like that as a POW pretty much guarantees jail forever if you ever go home
The opposite actually. Russia is one big Potemkin country, where everyone tries to make a show for someone else. In case of this war russian government tries to make a picture for russian populace that everything is good, no one dies, nothing happens, there is no war in Ba Sing Se. Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist, and the best way for russian pow to get back to russia is to get his face on the media where russian government can't anymore deny his existence.
So yeah, russia.
>Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist,
There's been countless exchanges of POWs between Russia and Ukraine every few months.
Sergei you idiot, they of saw right through your demotivational post! Do you want to be send to /b/ spam unit? Posting "Biden is of pedo, pls votings for Mr Trump!" spams all day?? Think Sergei, Think! Blyat!
This! only westoids think that russians look like that. No slanted eyes? no brownish skinn? Still has most teeth? doesn't look like 70 by 30? No round faces?
You can use English auto translate from the settings cog in YouTube. It’s not perfect but it is passable. You’re not going to confuse bahmud for something else.
>a Wagner soldier showed them the way to this trench and left them there >the trenches were filled with cadavers, both ukranian and Wagner and regular Russian soldiers >all they did was run from the drone and try to hide >one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro." >dude decided to try to communicate with the drone since he had nothing to lose
Some of the guys being conscripted don't want to fight Ukrainians or shoot Ukrainian people. They are being forced by Putin to march into Ukrainian gunfire. Why do you want them dead, if they never supported it and it wasn't their decision, you know, them living in a totalitarian regime and all?
>They can kill the people trying to force them to fight >They can hide >They can surrender >They can run away and desert >They can bribe someone >They can flee Russia
They are a thousand things they can do, but by entering Ukraine they are assisting with the invasion and deserve nothing but a painful death.
>kill the people forcing them to fight
and put their family in danger, aside from being 100% certain to get themselves killed as (legally justifiably) traitors to the country. >hide
not likely, and then see part one >desert
see part one >bribe someone
if caught, see part one. if not caught, see parts 2-4 >flee russia
this is different than running away? either way, they can not, as it has been made illegal to do so and other countries are not accepting male refugees. >surrender
you can't surrender to many forces, especially if the people to the left and right of you aren't. also how do you surrender to a drone.
They are young men, teenagers many of them, ignorant and scared. I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They have no choice other than fighting
You are as much of a slave as the cunts you are defending.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.
They are fucking invaders, full stop. If you genuinely think they deserve any pity in comparison to the Ukrainians then you are either amazingly smoothbrained or an unironic gaslighting vatnik.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
my man, i know two russki's
one left the same fucking day the invasion started and its living off drawing futa porn in finland
the other left when king chimp announced mobilization and works in some industrial warehouse in georgia
if two nerdy retards that i met because we paint cringy 40k toy soldiers can do that im surve ivan that lives in siberia and has to dodge wolves everytime he goes out to take a piss can fucking do it >muh families back home
you seriously understimate how dysfunctional the whole soviet/russian state is, if you dont show up to the ucraine funtime they arent gonna fucking lazer your whole family like 1984 secret police, they will either ignore it or outright forget it.
Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago. This whole thing is an awful waste of human life but a dead Ukie weighs far more heavily upon me than a dead zigger.
>Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago
Doubt it. The vast majority of Russian is apathatic. They just try to keep their heads down and let their dictator do whatever and since until last year the unspoken rule was "We at the top get rich but in exchange don't touch you" it has worked out alright.
Frankly I think that's the reason why there hasn't been more in terms of mobilization or employment of conscripts in annexed territory (which would be perfectly legal by Russian law). Putin is still afraid of angering the homefront more than he already has.
They are (statistically likely to be fat) random people posting behind the comfort of their screens about how good it is people are dying in horrific ways. They are either evil, asleep and conditioned by an evil culture, or shills (likely falling into the former category, but there can be rare exceptions).
You are throwing pearls before swine, anon.
Le Meme Legion is not real. Its some personal media project of Ze inner cicle shithead, like yermak or whatever russia related plant.
Its been 15 months of war and we had 0 (zero) reports of them having any casualties, even anonymous ones without naming names.
We haev 0 (zero) reports from a single Ukrainian unit seeing them or cooperating with them on the battlefield. We have 0 (zero) photos or videos taken by anyone, besides few special "jounalists".
It only exist in your heads and barely in propaganda. It is as halfassed as everything else done by Ze media and his friends. Just like everything the do, it was created for propaganda purposes and then forgotten. Once in few months they are taken out of pocket to remind that such thing supposedly exist and then shelved for another few months.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also, I fucking laughed my ass off, when there were explosions (in Crimea I guess?) and then Ponomarev the russian Deputy aka speaker of Legion spoke and said that Legion takes responsibility for it, but then shortly after Atesh (real crimean resistance) reported that this was their job and Ponomarev backpedaled like incel pushed into a corner and took all his words back.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Following the killing of Darya Dugina, Ponomarev has claimed to have been in contact with a hitherto-unknown group called the National Republican Army which he said claimed responsibility for the killing.[16][17][18] He claims not to be a member but a supporter who is trusted to receive press releases.[19][20] Ponomarev's claims have been treated by observers with scepticism.[21][22][23]
It sounds like he wants to talk up a big game and made up an organization in his head.
https://i.imgur.com/lMr63RI.png
Le Meme Legion is not real. Its some personal media project of Ze inner cicle shithead, like yermak or whatever russia related plant.
Its been 15 months of war and we had 0 (zero) reports of them having any casualties, even anonymous ones without naming names.
We haev 0 (zero) reports from a single Ukrainian unit seeing them or cooperating with them on the battlefield. We have 0 (zero) photos or videos taken by anyone, besides few special "jounalists".
It only exist in your heads and barely in propaganda. It is as halfassed as everything else done by Ze media and his friends. Just like everything the do, it was created for propaganda purposes and then forgotten. Once in few months they are taken out of pocket to remind that such thing supposedly exist and then shelved for another few months.
The Russian Legion proves they have a choice. They always did and many mutinies under the Tsars until revolution prove that.
I think Freedom of Russia Legion is real but INCREDIBLY tiny and mostly used for media purposes. Like 50-250 people and kept away from serious fighting. And effectively they're just Ukrainians at this point. The vast majority of elligible military aged Russains would rather run away and flee Russian conscription rather than take up arms.
They may not have participated by choice, but they didn't choose to NOT participate either. They might not have volunteered, but when conscription came, they didn't run, or hide, or resist. They didn't desert or surrender. They didn't frag their officers or turn their guns on the blocking troops.
They chose to become participants in evil. And ultimately, through inaction they chose the manner of their deaths. They chose to die meaningless deaths. They chose to die in furtherance of evil. They chose to die in a trench full of rotting corpses, for the benefit of a man who considered them nothing, as part of an army which murders indiscriminately, and does not bother to treat their wounded or bury their dead.
The world is objectively better because they are dead, because in an almost infinitesimal, but certainly non-zero way, Russia is now closer to defeat and the future further away from barbarity. Other men will live, but only because these men died before they had a chance to kill. Dying by their own hand would have been a virtuous act, had they done so to avoid becoming complicit in a great evil, rather than to avoid personally suffering. Instead, the most meaningful thing those men ever did was to die a meaningless death, ending their own lives to avoid the consequences of their actions and inaction.
>End this war right fucking now please god
All Russia has to do is leave Ukraine, return all Ukrainians, pay wergild, and offer up criminals to be executed.
i wish hell was real so Putin would go there when he dies
>it was him and two other soldiers in that trench, one blew himself up with grenade other one shot himself >they sent numerous radio calls to explain their situation and evacuate them but nobody responded
https://i.imgur.com/uQOUouo.jpg
>his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
And it's doubly fucked how the drone operator says that he perfectly understands his choice to commit suicide because everyone knows there is no casevac and if they try to get out their own they get "zeroed" by blocking detachments.
Shit's fucking grim, I hope that if the people responsible will be put to justice it will be not only for the crimes against Ukrainians but also against their own people
It's no meme, they show no mercy or humanity, they should be responded in kind.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
sure thing tough guy
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're not going to soften people on Russians, at least not by means of cheap, retarded high-school level shaming. Put some work into it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s a meme, and not even a good one. these fucking kids and old men are being sent to die for the Russian oligarchy, the mafia that currently rules over russia. These poor fucking idiots are brainwashed and sent to their fucking deaths over nothing, for nothing other than a megalomaniacs ego trip. I pray every day that the russian armed forces finally fucking mutiny and turn the assault back into Russia.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They've been carrying this bald midget since 1999, he's literally terror bombed his own people and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection, public discomfort or assassination attempts. Public opinion on the war is hard to assess, but it generally seems favorable towards the war. Sure there are conscripts being sent to their certain deaths, but there are a lot more wagner mercs and career soldiers defending the front lines.
Same goes for luganda and donbabwe, they made their bed a long time ago and now there are no men in those regions.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection,
Actually in 2013-2014 was big movement against Putin, but it was stomped and defeated by authority.
Since then any acts of civilian disobedience are banned in Russia and people trying are immediately imprisoned and fined into oblivion.
Remember Russian has 400k string Rosgvardia made specifically to right Russian citizens. While initial Russian invasion into Ukraine had. Only 200k troops. Show priorities of enemies for Russian state, who is considered more dangerous: Russian citizens or NATO.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, other people have resist harder, in the face of worse consequences, to stop far lesser evils. There were people who opposed Hitler at a time when even passive resistance could mean dying in a concentration camp. I'll respect the Russian people once I hear of an army officer who tried to suicide bomb Putin. Because three German officers (including a general) attempted to do that exact thing:
Their culture PRODUCED every Russian social system. They're Asiatics. They chose their fate by being what they are. They're incapable of virtue so why care about them?
Why are you celebrating the death of a young man? Why?
Did he kill your people. No, it was Putin that sent him.
Stop hating the soldier. Hate the politician.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why are you celebrating the death of a young man?
Because ziggers like him raped children in front of their parents and pillaged their way through ukraine. The truly sad thing is this zigger probably didn't suffer much.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Stop hating the soldier.
Russian soldiers deserve the hate, they were comminting war crimes against civilians since day one of the invasion: https://files.catbox.moe/pkthoq.mp4
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Stop hating the soldier.
He had every opportunity to shoot his gay commissar in his gay soviet-larping gay head.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now that's just sad. If you were to give him a high perm, he'd be indistinguishable from another random zoomie. He, like all the youngfags who got murked in the early weeks (I remember people posting the bloody documents of several mobiks, including the photos of some dude and his boyfriend) had no idea what the fuck they were doing in Ukraine. He died because some geriatric moron broke into Stalin's expired copium stash and decided to have a go at the ol' Tsar Of All The Russias.
Monke should be tried for warcrimes and crimes against humanity by both the Ukrainians, and the Russians.
>Nazis chimp out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression >get the shit slapped out of them for it >Vatniks chimp out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression >get the shit slapped out of them for it
>Fair's fair.
Except vatniks started the war with the germans while hosting a very similar dictatorship. Yet somehow they are perceived to be part of the good boys since they were not defeated while germans were. That and burgers having this almost child like gullibility when dealing with unhinged asiatics as exemplified by their stupidity of propping up fucking chicom China
Why? Russians are enemies of God, Bolshevik scum and defilers of my PrepHole. If the war ends early they'll just respawn and do it again, Russians being incapable of change.
Don't confuse them with humans or have human feelings towards them. They're merely bipedal enemies of civilization whose country is responsible for the entire anti-weapons movement world wide.
>it was him and two other soldiers in that trench, one blew himself up with grenade other one shot himself >they sent numerous radio calls to explain their situation and evacuate them but nobody responded
MoD
But he says Wagner runs the show there. Like they make decisions and MoD officers repeat these orders and send MoD troops according to Wagner decisions. Wagner decided to man this trench so this guy platoon lieutenant gives them direct order to follow Wagner pathfinder guy and man this trench. Also guy constantly says about executiion if they refuse to follow orders and he says it like it absolutely sure and routine thing. Also on the way there Wagner pathfinder told them there would be no medivac if they would be wounded he can only offer them mercy kill.
I'll always be amazed at how Russians behave absolutely worse than morons and make their lives living hell, yet somehow believe that they're there to make Ukraine a better place.
Its philosophy of balance: there is no better: thus there is no good, and thus what russia has to offer, is not bad because for bad you need good. Makes sense, they come from Habarovsk to live it
>Why is there such poor medevac culture in the Russian military?
Because the Russian military and by extension Russian society is a potemkin village. They have some shiny top of the line weapons (5 produced, never see combat) but utterly neglect logistics and medical care. They just throw more bodies at the problem since they feel they have reserves, then wonder why they run out of guys.
>one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
And PrepHole is using the usual coping mechanism of gallows humor
I recall seeing or reading an interview with a guy that worked ambulances or maybe a doctor or something. He pointed out that in by far the most cases, his patients last word would be akin to "i don't feel so good"
It's been said that the most common last words of a soldier dying on the battlefield is some variation of "mother", with asking for water a distant second.
Imagine some dude forces you to take this position at 4 in the morning and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you
>and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you
And trying not to stumble over the rotting corpses while at it. Fuck.
Interesting detail. He was sent as part of the platoon to Ukraine from Russia. Not brigade of mobiks, not battalion, not even company. Fucking platoon!
Russian "organization", no attempt to create coherent trained units. Just grab platoon of guys from training grounds and send them to frontlines to replace casualties.
More like " Apocalypse now" vibes. Only transition from normal spring day to hell on Earth was more abrupt. He say they (he and now dead other 2 guys) didt really understand what awaits them on the position. Like everything was kind of ok, until they entered trench (he thinks there like 30-40 bodies there,) and mortar shelling started.
Grim
The Russians in these trenches are fucking retarded for not being able to put two and two together and just surrender. How stupid do you have to be to believe your life is not just being thrown away like fodder
More like " Apocalypse now" vibes. Only transition from normal spring day to hell on Earth was more abrupt. He say they (he and now dead other 2 guys) didt really understand what awaits them on the position. Like everything was kind of ok, until they entered trench (he thinks there like 30-40 bodies there,) and mortar shelling started.
They don't really get what is happening until they got caught in the trap and door behind them is closed. Tell about... ACK!
At 1:20 he says how his commander dropped them off, and fucked off. he had a few provisions, and a rifle. no grandees, no binoculars. just told to wait and shoot at anyone who comes there. oh and there are gonna be a bunch of dead bodies, ignore them.
he said there were 30-40 bodies, many corpse torn apart
mostly wagner, and 1 or 2 dead ukies
>Holy shit the whole "trying to communicate with a drone to stay alive" gave me feels and chills.
I feel that the UAV operators should just give these units the option to surrender first instead of killing them. I don't think these mobiks fully get what is going on or how bad their situation is. It's not fighting it's just slaughter.
I remember the comment from the USCM technical manual book. Basically the platoon Commander sits at his counsel watching the stream of his platoon. The CO sits at his counsel watching a stream of his PLs. The Battalion Commander sits at his counsel watching a stream of his COs. So on and so. "Everybody is just sitting there watching the same damb war movie".
>I'm waiting for official livestreams, drone coverage and live commentary in 2033.
Did you miss the start of the war? I was watching russians invade from public webcams while people posted about it here or telegram. Or the live stream of the battle for the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant:
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1085427380/ukraine-nuclear-power-plant-zaporizhzhia >Just before 11:30 p.m. local time, someone began livestreaming the plant's security footage on its YouTube channel. The livestream rolled on as Russian forces began a slow and methodical advance on the plant. The column of armored vehicles, led by the tanks, used spotlights to cautiously approach the plant from the southeast along the main service road to the facility.
vid came out recently of one of those mongol russians, who walks around normally after murdering two of his buddies in their outpost like it was nothing.
whatever insane stories come from the russian grunts after this war i will probably be inclined to believe them
Entertainment of seeing Russians die in new and amusing ways every week aside, the utter pointlessness of this war keeps coming back to me. Like, all this bloodshed and waste could have been prevented if Putin just decided not to invade a neighboring country 15 months ago. If he'd packed up all those troops and sent them home after the "exercises" he'd have made the US/UK look like warmongers with all the invasion warnings and caused more friction in NATO. Instead he's crashing his people with no survivors.
Existentially yes, but there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly. It's not like they were trying to gain massive natural resources or wipe out a historical enemy or create a new master race. It's just Putin trying to get the band back together after Stalin's ghost appeared to him during a polonium hallucination.
Russians feel that Ukraine is part of the Russina empire, and was stolen from them in a time of weakness. Ukraine has millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves. The oil/gas based oligarch economy can't grow "normally" so they need to grab more oil/gas to "grow".
Yes, it's idiotic. But if it had gone smoothly, this would have massive boosted Russia and made them much stronger. But Ukies didn't want to go along with this.
And Russia did this because they project their demographics are just going to get shittier from here on out, so why not now? Putin likely dying from cancer means he has a 5 year window to secure his legacy. He was thinking there'd be statues of him in kiev and shit.
Its because none of the oil and gas money actually goes anywhere except to pay people off, legally or illegally. It's just legal and illegal stealing. That's why they need to invade, their whole political project and associated economy is based on stealing and robbing, like the USSR before it.
Unfortunately for Putin, you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia or else he'd be dealing drugs like his North Korean and Latin American friends already do.
>you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia
I'm pretty sure you can, russia has some tremendous fertile lands in the southern latitude. Oil is just more profitable with infinitely less consequences and risks, drugs are business for the lower class in russia.
>millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves.
So does Russia, they're sitting there unexploited. They also started flattening civvies as soon as they got the opportunity.
Utilizing Russian resources requires investment and that is for suckers, if you create something someone else can always steal it. In Ukraine the resources are already being used meaning you can be a smart monkey and swoop in and take the cash.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It can't possibly be more expensive than this chucklefuck of a war.
>there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly
For russians – no.
For kremlins – very much so.
Russia being a mafia state is not a meme. It might look half-decent from the outside, but it's pure gang law on inside, literally. All those oligarchs, mayors, governors, politicians, generals and anyone at all with a notion of power, their only function is to use their position and personal connections to make up some financial scheme where they can get enough money for a yacht or two, absolutely all of them, putin included, no one in russia gets in prison for corruption, if they, the reason is most probably just that they didn't give a cut or gave it to the wrong people.
In such system there is not much room for development, all wealth is most often just taken from someone. Middle ranks and lower often leech on the budget funds in some form or other, budget comes from the higher ranks so in that way they exercise control also. Higher ranks just get direct streams of money from big corpos and industries, like Gazprom, Gazprom is putins personal wallet at this point basically. Higher ranks can't just steal more from the budget, because they create it in the first place, so to expand they require to take over more businesses, get into pocket of others. For some time mid 00' russian economy was growing, post 90' recovery, hydrocarbons price growth, foreign investments. There was a lot of opportunities growing up locally for elites to expand on, however they hit the limit very soon. That's where Ukraine comes in play. A whole new country with business and industries to plunder, billions upon billions of unrealized potential sitting there to be taken. That's where their original incentive comes from, russian oligarchs just wanted to overtake ukrainian ones.
However, it turned out that world doesn't work like those crooks were thinking, so simple hostile takeover turned into first grade international debacle.
You're missing a crucial element: that stolen money is how all actual true political decisions Putin makes regarding laws, policies and such are done. So is how his foreign policy is made and how his ministers are appointed.
Imagine a country with a executive, judicial and legislative branch, with a foreign policy. Now imagine that every single policy and policy-related decision those branches do at every level has a price tag attached to it. Imagine that every person appointed or hired in those branches anywhere are appointed or hired solely based on bribery and favors, with the expectation that bribery and/or favors will be repaid with interests once that person is hired.
And that's just the beginning. Now imagine that the number 1 objective of the "legitimate business" of this state is mostly running and increasing or decreasing pensions, salaries, wages, taxes, economic funds, budgets, state-owned companies and various types of welfare and welfare-esque pograms for both public and private organizations, ranging from retirement funds for public employees to laws for state companies to finance for example, movies and TV.
So you get a government and state running on stolen money, using that money to expand and increase how much more money they can steal. The whole continent-sized country of Russia is just one massive heist, a gigantic robbery. It's the perfect racket.
This is why Putin isn't politically weaker than before 2022. What keeps him safe is everybody having their pockets full, and if they aren't, then they're allowed to steal to get those pockets full if necessary. It's mafia feudalism.
Everybody, legally or illegally, is on the take, or can be on the take, or is allowed to be on the take. It's a perfect system, you just have to be willing to play.
By extension hte madness and decay of Russia is entirely because of Putin. If Putin somehow was a reformer like the west had hoped, Russian society would be a lot more sane and better off. Putin and the Silovarchs opted for both a nationalist and hyper-corrupt mafia state at the same time. You pick one or the other bro! A mafia state can't actually fight or do anything serious.
Yeah, I laugh at wagners since they're the scum of the earth but wince when I see mobiks and others suffer.
This is how all wars are. They are stupid at a metaphysical level. You’re trading human lives for, assuming even the best case, land and resources that were already being made productive by the people you killed. You replace people you could trade with for people you have to pay — accomplishing nothing. War is vanity of the rulers and nothing more.
There's an element that's vanity and personality based, adn the other is genuine competition for resources and space. However, we learned from modern economics and trade that it's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires. Nowhere in "The Wealth of Nations" (basically how to grow your GDP 101) does he say invade your neighbors. Especially this is true post 1945. People who got the message prospered. Idiot dictators didn't get the memo and keep wanting to invade each other.
Its because to do that you need something of worth to trade. Guess what the states those shithead almost-always revolutionary dictatorships don't have? You ever notice how in general all they got is raw materials?
That's what I find so remarkable about South Korea and Taiwan. They started out as quasi-dictatorships, or at least countries whose people didn't have the ability to vote the leader out of office. Neither one of them is particularly rich in natural resources and at the time of independence, they lacked much industry. South Korea had a lower GNP than the North until the 1970s. Both had been colonies of the Japanese Empire until 1945, and had been monarchies before then. Neither had any democratic tradition to rely on. South Korea had been devastated by war and Taiwan's government was the last surviving vestige of China's tumultuous Warlord Era. Both have been locked into a Cold War with their immediate neighbors who would invade in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.
Fast forward a three generations and South Korea and Taiwan have the 12th and 21st highest GDPs in the world respectively. Both are power houses in high-tech manufacturing. Both are stable democracies in a region where that cannot be taken for granted. By all rights, they should be third-world nations, but they're not. They're proof that any country can prosper and what's more, they did it all themselves.
>It's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires
This is literally not the normal state of being, it's only held fractionally together by idealistic nations that know what it's like to lose a war, and how horrible even winning one is.
You're presuming the land and resources are being used effectively, which is not always the case. See most african countries. As far as "already people there", that's also dependent on the genetic stock of people. Ignoring the (very real) claims of better or worse genetics, it can be as simple as "I want more of mine" or "less of them".
>This is how all wars are.
That's how all wars of conquest are. Nations go to war for other reasons, some of them are rational, a rare few are even virtuous.
The way th is conflict works is that Russia is the tactical aggressor, but NATO is the strategic aggressor. NATO deliberatetly chose to encroach on Russias sphere of influence and facilitate regime changes in it's neighbouring countries. If Russia does nothing they lose in the long run which practically forced their hand into tactically invading Ukraine.
gay, the only thing at risk for russia in this situation was it losing influence over ukraine. Russia itself was not under threat and hasn't been since the end of the cold war. Nobody was ever going to attack them, don't pretend otherwise.
NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union. If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate to include them into they anti-russian coalition then yeah NATO is the fucking strategic aggressor. And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually retarded.
Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.
Vatmoron, the countries on your border do not belong to you, and if they are aligning away from you then it is probably because you are giving them a good reason to do it. Many NATO members were openly questioning the point of the alliance before you went full retard in ukraine. >And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually retarded.
There would be no war at all if you hadn't started it in the first place >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.
You are literally out of your mind.
Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state of it's sworn enemy and if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys and totally out of line.
I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not even pro-russia
Only brain-dead russia simps claim Euromaidan was some sort of "foreign coup".
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence
Nobody says they can't.
Yeah, they invade and die there. While we support Ukraine until they free their occupied parts and become a new NATO member.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state
You must've been really sad when tucker carlson got fired, huh. I would say that the fact you're parroting him word for word is really sad, but we both know you're not quite smart enough to think for yourself. >if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys
Starting a full scale war just to protect your "influence" is generally considered to be a pretty evil thing to do, yeah. >I'm not even pro-russia
You're being far too obvious for this to be convincing, why bother?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Russia tried to keep playing the same old influence game for a decade or two and got completely and predictably BTFO every time:
NATO/EU offers you freedom and prosperity
Russia offers you slavery and corruption
It's a complete mystery (to only the Russians, it seems) why all the countries in their former sphere chose for the West
And now Russia has gone full chimpout and flipped the board and just tried to take the stake (Ukraine). And predictably they're getting BTFO yet again when it's a contest of pure power.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also, if Russia wasn't a paranoid nationalist mafia state, they would only see this as benefitting them. They would see a nation on their border getting rich and propsering, which in turns they can become rich and prosperous.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not even pro-russia [but everything they've done is fully justified and I personally support it] >Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence [from--- 404 Error: NATO invasion of Ukraine not found] >NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting [especially compared to Russian cum which is delicious and I love to guzzle it on a daily basis]
The unexamined life is not worth living, anon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.
>If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate
They didn't. Ukrainians wanted to join the EU. Corrupt russian puppet yanukovych didn't. The Ukrainians rebelled against the russian dictator.
> Ukrainians wanted to join the EU
Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
Which yanukovich for a long time promised he would sign and even hyped it up somewhat, but when the time came he backpedaled hard because putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
It was a first step. >putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to
I doubt it, since yanukovich is russian agent.
>Ukrainians wanted to join the EU.
The EU doesn't actually care what people want so whatever Ukrainians think is irrelevant either way and that is already asuming your opinion polls are legit which is highly questionable.
>NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union
That's right, because small countries can't afford and don't want to have huge military to oppose russia. This is why they ask someone stronger to protect them. >If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change
Or a country decides to join NATO, because of russian aggression? >NATO is the fucking strategic aggressor
And. >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable >invading
1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus, because it's an act of russian aggression to put anti-NATO regime there? If you play by the same rules.
3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
>1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
Because NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine. >2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus
I'm not a moralfag. If someone wants to invade or subvert a foreign advesary that's fine by me. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of pretending this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault and NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing. >3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
see pic
>Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state
You must've been really sad when tucker carlson got fired, huh. I would say that the fact you're parroting him word for word is really sad, but we both know you're not quite smart enough to think for yourself. >if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys
Starting a full scale war just to protect your "influence" is generally considered to be a pretty evil thing to do, yeah. >I'm not even pro-russia
You're being far too obvious for this to be convincing, why bother?
>muh Tucker >muh evil >muh shill
kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine
Or Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries? >this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault
That's correct >NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing
That's incorrect. They help Ukraine to gain it's sovereignty back. >see pic
Yeah, so? Every country have the right to join or leave NATO at any time.
Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>muh Tucker >>muh evil >>muh shill >kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
I accept your concession, quisling gay.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, all these countries asking to join NATO cant possibly be because theres another country of morons to the east that always seem to want to invade them. it HAS to be because of CIA glowies that use globohomo mind control devices
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Morons whining about NATO expansion always try to bury WHY countries want to join the EU and NATO.
They don't want you to remember how those were all occupied and suffered under the USSR, and how Russia was already doing shit like Chechenya and supporting Serbian imperialists by the mid 90s.
Of fucking course any country with common sense wanted protection from them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ireland isn't part of NATO >Russians devise a superweapon to turn Ireland into a radioactive wasteland anyway
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hey, rusbro, yeah, you can invade other countries, but we also can help them defend themselves. Looking forward to see your ass kicked.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"? By denying Russia the ability to stomp the Baltic states flat again?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So... which one of those countries did NATO invade and install puppet regimes?
Can you point to a Warsaw Pact nation where russians didn't do that?
Face it brownie, russians are just subanimals that no one willingly lives beside. NATO helps keep the filth where it belongs.
And something else to consider.
Ukraine being raped by russia again will not make you rich, will not make women acknowledge you, it won't even make people in functional countries think more of you.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's funny how they twist facts to fit their narrative
while it's true that the right pic shows the situation in 2022, it was also the exact same one in 2004
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why yes, you installing an alarm system in your home and joining a neighborhood watch is clearly an act of aggresion
>NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union
That's right, because small countries can't afford and don't want to have huge military to oppose russia. This is why they ask someone stronger to protect them. >If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change
Or a country decides to join NATO, because of russian aggression? >NATO is the fucking strategic aggressor
And. >Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable >invading
1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus, because it's an act of russian aggression to put anti-NATO regime there? If you play by the same rules.
3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
>countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole >this is somehow aggression >this somehow infringes on Russia's rights... to conquer and pillage, I guess?
I often think about why the vatniks and ziggers use this line of thinking. My theory is that they have no concept of personal agency. They project their learned helplessness to other people and only think that the people in Eastern European countries that hate and despise the russmoron infestation are some kind of mindless flesh robots that are programmed by evil USA to hate muh poor Russia. They simply cannot comprehend that Ukrainians, the Balts, the Finns and the Poles would take the decision to jalign with the West out of their own volition. They do not understand that people have political power.
Personal agency and learned helplessness is also why you see 4chancels and other Western individuals fervently support Russia, associated anti-western strongmen and authoritarianism in general. That's why you see them talk about glowies, the deep state, illuminati back in the days, garden gnomes, NATO, EU etc. as some malignant, uncontrollable evil forces, they try to take back some form of individual control of their situation: "Heh, at least I'm not falling for these glowie tricks!" I've noticed that depression is often prevalent in these radical infospaces.
>countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
https://i.imgur.com/Po2fsdo.jpg
>If Russia does nothing
You don't get it at all. Your options aren't limited to >let NATO expand
and >invade a country
Surely you must have noticed what a big difference there is between NATO expansion and Russia's expansion. You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
It turns out that besides doing nothing and invading, there's a third, more civilized option! Imagine that! Interactions with your neighbours can involve things other than violence. Crazy stuff, I know.
What I'm trying to say is that while the EU provides economic growth and stability, and NATO provides military protection, Russia offers absolutely nothing of value to any of its neighbours.
Had Russia provided something of value to Ukraine, it would have been very easy for the Ukrainians to justify cozying up to Russia. They speak the same language, they share culture and history and a big ass border. But Russia provides nothing other than increased rates of HIV and poverty, so logically, its neighbours slowly drifted away and cozied up to the west instead.
Countries doing some math and figuring out that improving relations with the west is better than improving relations with Russia isn't aggression. Countries looking at what happened to Georgia and deciding that they don't want any of that isn't aggression either.
>You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically. I'm not a regular on PrepHole but i come here for wanting to see war and weapons not some limpwristed gay crying about how sending in tanks is crossing the line of diplomatic decency or whatever.
Actual pussy.
>NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine
Or Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries? >this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault
That's correct >NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing
That's incorrect. They help Ukraine to gain it's sovereignty back. >see pic
Yeah, so? Every country have the right to join or leave NATO at any time.
Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
>Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here? >Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
Does yours? If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"? By denying Russia the ability to stomp the Baltic states flat again?
>NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"?
Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
Lol, subhuman moron has no answer, because he knows NATO is a defensive alliance which literally has no mechanism for calling members into an offensive war.
(And even if they did, and, say, Estonia called in America to stomp russia flat, it would be WELL DESERVED).
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
moron you're literally taking NATO propaganda at face value. >they SAY they're a defensive alliance therefore they must be
Not worth responding to beyond shaming you for having a double digit IQ.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
moron, name the exact NATO article that allows one member to call another into an offensive war. It's public information. Unlike your subhuman moron mafia state, western states operate by laws, what's written down.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
kek, the rusnig ignored this one
too inconvenient that NATO literally has no legal mechanism by which to oblige its members to assist in an offensive war, I guess
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll be honest with you, anon. NATO is ant anti-Russian alliance. And countries are joining voluntarily. Because they hate Russia.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
Yes, let's just resign ourselves to our fate. This is the learned helplessness I talked about. You do not have the mental capacity to understand the fact that people are capable to make their lives and their nations better.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
My entire point here isn't to cry about moralgayry or unjust aggression. I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping. If you have imperial ambitions or want to establish indepence then you can't turn around and fucking cry about a violent response from Russia. Just accept it like a man and win or a lose a war without bitching about being a victim ffs.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping
The only hypocrisy exists in your elaborately constructed strawman argument of NATO expansion. You're a fucking retard.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping.
The mental gymnastics you;re going through to see Ukraine defending itself from an invader as bad somehow while also seeing NATO as the bad guys in this situation, somehow, would earn you a gold medal. Try out for the Olympics, anon, it really seems like gymnastics is your true calling..
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I already said multiple times that i'm not a moralfag. It's beyond silly to call a state defending itself "bad." All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso for the existance of this conflict as Russia. They could have simply decided to fuck off from Ukraine and keep it a buffer state.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso
You keep saying this laughably insane shit like it's perfectly reasonable and I'm really not sure why. Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's an insane belief among some vatniks that foreign governments were responsible for Ukraine's Maidan revolution. For whatever reason, they can't comprehend that it was a revolution in response to Russia's attempt to puppet Ukraine. From there, the conspiracy theory leads to the logical belief that these foreign governments then orchestrated everything leading to the war that Russia "had to" initiate.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Crazy how all these mental gymnastics eventually lead to Russia having done nothing wrong, right? But no this zigger is totally just neutral, lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'd be emberassed to type this >Actual pussy.
Great argument, moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
Check the list of countries that were invaded by russia in the last, like 20 years. Georgia for example. >If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour
First of all, Ukraine wasn't joining NATO, that was said before the war - because was a corrupt shithole with a strong pro-russian movement at that time. You're incorrect. Again. >and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
Says who? russia? You can disregard their retarded opinion.
But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care. My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
Ukraine was already neutral, you fucking smoothbrain zigger. It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place. >admitting to being a tourist >I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically.
I'd be embarrassed to mistype the word embarrassed while writing out a comment visibly full of asspain and trying to use that as part of the insult. >If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
Clown world logic.
>It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
it's funny how they twist facts to fit their narrative
while it's true that the right pic shows the situation in 2022, it was also the exact same one in 2004
>it was also the exact same one in 2004
So what? The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
>In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO.
Why is it fine for russia to force terrorist pro-russian regimes like in Belarus, but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules. >You don't need "protection" if you're neutral
Yeah, but you forgot that russia were pushing Ukraine towards russia and took away Ukraine's neutrality. >and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
That's a funny thing to hear from someone citing russian propaganda word to word.
>but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
First of all whether Ukraine wanted to join NATO willingly is up for grabs. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but either way it doesn't impact political intrests of any side involved in this conflict. Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway, you disingenous shill.
This war was about reconquering the Russian Empire and stopping Ukraine from joining the EU, the real trouble for Putin's regime plans.
Ukraine in the EU would have undercut or made irrelevant the russian natgas supply to the EU that's the basis of Russia's political system, and the necessary political reforms neutered their political influence. A prosperous and less corrupt russian speaking Ukraine was a nightmare for the leaders of the russian mafia state.
>"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway
Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state. >source: dude trust me
Lmao at your failed thread btw
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition. If Russia feels threatened by that They are projecting. Actually they didn’t just project, they invaded.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition.
Are there actually subhumans that buy into this line? "Bro they call themselves the good guys...they must be the good guys" just kys
>All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso
You keep saying this laughably insane shit like it's perfectly reasonable and I'm really not sure why. Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
>Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO cocksuckers. A shame. Hope they pay you for this.
>My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
If you look at it from imperialistic russian standpoint - then yes. Evey country that borders russia must be coerced into submission. But that's considered bad.
Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong? >That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care
Yep, they figured out that they would join together instead of go under russia.
>Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
Imperialism is based, so no. I don't fucking care that some whiny bitch complains about being conquered or defeated in a war. I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
>YOUR people want to join the eu and the west >russia pressures you not do that by sanctioning you and threatens war >you comply >russia still invades you anyway lol >you would never be able to join the west because of conflict with russia , obama literslly riterate the u.s position and that ukraine , georgia wouldnt be able to join like ever. >randomly invades ukraine for no reason again despite the fact it knows ukraine would never ever be able to joinn the western block. The western media happily parroted russia state propaganda for the whole of 2014 to 2022. >waahhhhh nato expansion
Nato expansion is the most retardrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
>Nato expansion is the most retardrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
Ok so NATO expansion exists, NATO is characteristically anti-russian and that they couped the Ukrainian government in 2014 with the intention of Ukraine eventually joinging NATO, but somehow Russia just shouldn't care about this because reasons even though NATO never backtracked on anything.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO cocksuckers.
Since you're admittedly lost and looking for a specific kind of cock to suck, I suggest you head over to
[...]
where you can find plenty of the Russian cocks you love so much.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
moron if NATO was actually involved with this war it would've been over a long time ago.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Right, we're just gonna pretend like NATO fell into a coma for the past 30 years or something.
https://i.imgur.com/Pw9aTZX.png
>The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
NATO as a defensive alliance was being seen as an useless dinosaur by the 2010s, and just a way to have common military standards between western countries.
Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
>Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
Use your brain for a minute and think about it.
Why can't sovereign neighbours join a defensive alliance if they so choose? Why must they bow to Russia?
Yes, they're just so hostile to russia despite never having fought them in the entire 75 years of it's history. This vatnik is starting to come apart at the seams. Tell us more about how Russia has never had imperial ambitions towards ukraine, lmfao
When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fucking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions. Don't know how much more i can dumb it down for you. Probably still too high level for NATOshills to understand.
>Imperialism is based, so no.
And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you retarded? >I don't fucking care that some whiny bitch complains about being conquered or defeated in a war.
Then don't whine about russian collapse. >I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
NATO send weapons to Ukraine, nobody doubts that. What's your point?
>And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you retarded?
I don't, actually. I'm saying that i fucking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong and have no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe if you played less map games your brain wouldn't be so smooth
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah i fucking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol". You are such a worthless, inbred, retarded mutt it's disgusting. You are so fucking lost in your own ass that you ACTUALLY think your neighbour joining a hostile alliance isn't aggressive behaiviour. Every 16 year old HOI4 player has a better understanding of geopolitical conflicts than you and i'm not joking.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Oh yeah i fucking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol".
Aww look, we hurt his delicate fee fees.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dont be retarded and we won’t treat you like one
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If people enter alliances around you for no reason, then it can signal that the alliances are directed toward you. If there's no discernable reason for an alliance to be directed toward you, then it can be perceived that the alliance has aggressive intentions toward you.
But when there's obvious fucking reasons why the alliance was created, because of YOUR own aggression, then that whole argument is thrown out the window.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
When I play a strategy mapgame and I invade a bunch of countries, and then my neighbors enter into coalitions as a result, I realize my actions have consequences and don't see it as an aggressive action.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted.
russia didn't meet the requirements to join NATO. Why would we let a country, that don't want to join NATO - join? >The fact that they didn't means that
Russia didn't want to join NATO.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fucking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions. >NOOOOOOOO THEY SEEK COLLECTIVE SECURITY AGAINST MY CHIMPOUTS, HOW COULD THIS BE???? I AM OFFENDED, I AM THE VICTIM!
Maybe you ought to stop playing your multiplayer strategy mapgames like a chimping out moron, then.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
More russian lies.
Russia never sincerely wanted to join NATO, because that would make them equal partners without imperial ambitions, and they would have needed to reform their weapons procurement, armed forces and cut corruption. All of which was against their ambitions and internal mafia state. > i fucking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong
The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia, like France and Germany did since the 90s up to the 2022 invasion. Their naive Ostpolitik appeasement was a mistake. >no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
literal wife beater logic.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>autistic HOI chud reveals itself
Go take a long look in the mirror.
Then have a nice day.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Imperialism is based, so no.
Then what's your problem with NATO expansion? Isn't that soft power imperialism?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO is characteristically anti-russian
OH GEE I FUCKING WONDER WHY
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm a nihilist liar than doesn't believe in anything but might makes right, so everybody must be the same and are lying too
The russian orc mindset in a nutshell. They can't understand people genuinely believing in something good and honest, no matter how self interested it is.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Imperialism is based, so no.
And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you retarded? >I don't fucking care that some whiny bitch complains about being conquered or defeated in a war.
Then don't whine about russian collapse. >I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
NATO send weapons to Ukraine, nobody doubts that. What's your point?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
If you look at it from imperialistic russian standpoint - then yes. Evey country that borders russia must be coerced into submission. But that's considered bad.
Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong? >That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care
Yep, they figured out that they would join together instead of go under russia.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia
Because they don't allow russia to invade NATO countries? >tactically responding by invading Ukraine
Yep, but that's bad. >NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
How many countries think this way? >The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia
Police is antagonistic towards criminals, does it make policemen bad? >Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate
Again, it's a bad thing.
And again - don't cry when they bomb you as an act of retaliation of intervention then. >Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
It's not like they put their puppet and a shitload of turncoats in Ukraine in a second.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
This vatmoron cannot be fucking serious
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
But does HATO have P-R-O-O-F-S?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
You know nothing about russian history, lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> NATO is a strategic agressor against Russia
> NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia
> Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you and justifies a war of aggression against them. Flawless logic there lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you
Yes you fool. IT IS. You think sovereign neigbours joinging a hostile alliance ISN'T a fucking aggression against from said alliance??? Do you think these things through before you type them out you absolute gigamoron mutt?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Use your brain for a minute and think about it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why can't sovereign neighbours join a defensive alliance if they so choose? Why must they bow to Russia?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, they're just so hostile to russia despite never having fought them in the entire 75 years of it's history. This vatnik is starting to come apart at the seams. Tell us more about how Russia has never had imperial ambitions towards ukraine, lmfao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you arent trolling you are actually braindamaged.
Stop consuming russian propaganda, it rots your brain.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Abuser mentality.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
NATO as a defensive alliance was being seen as an useless dinosaur by the 2010s, and just a way to have common military standards between western countries.
Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ukraine was already neutral, you fucking smoothbrain zigger. It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place. >admitting to being a tourist >I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically.
I'd be embarrassed to mistype the word embarrassed while writing out a comment visibly full of asspain and trying to use that as part of the insult. >If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
Clown world logic.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO.
Why is it fine for russia to force terrorist pro-russian regimes like in Belarus, but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules. >You don't need "protection" if you're neutral
Yeah, but you forgot that russia were pushing Ukraine towards russia and took away Ukraine's neutrality. >and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
That's a funny thing to hear from someone citing russian propaganda word to word.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway, you disingenous shill.
This war was about reconquering the Russian Empire and stopping Ukraine from joining the EU, the real trouble for Putin's regime plans.
Ukraine in the EU would have undercut or made irrelevant the russian natgas supply to the EU that's the basis of Russia's political system, and the necessary political reforms neutered their political influence. A prosperous and less corrupt russian speaking Ukraine was a nightmare for the leaders of the russian mafia state.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>YOUR people want to join the eu and the west >russia pressures you not do that by sanctioning you and threatens war >you comply >russia still invades you anyway lol >you would never be able to join the west because of conflict with russia , obama literslly riterate the u.s position and that ukraine , georgia wouldnt be able to join like ever. >randomly invades ukraine for no reason again despite the fact it knows ukraine would never ever be able to joinn the western block. The western media happily parroted russia state propaganda for the whole of 2014 to 2022. >waahhhhh nato expansion
Nato expansion is the most retardrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
>Ukrainians wanted to join the EU.
The EU doesn't actually care what people want so whatever Ukrainians think is irrelevant either way and that is already asuming your opinion polls are legit which is highly questionable.
[...] >1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
Because NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine. >2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus
I'm not a moralfag. If someone wants to invade or subvert a foreign advesary that's fine by me. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of pretending this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault and NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing. >3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
see pic
[...] >muh Tucker >muh evil >muh shill
kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
>countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
[...] >You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically. I'm not a regular on PrepHole but i come here for wanting to see war and weapons not some limpwristed gay crying about how sending in tanks is crossing the line of diplomatic decency or whatever.
Actual pussy.
[...] >Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here? >Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
Does yours? If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
[...] >NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"?
Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
>But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care. My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
[...] >It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
[...] >it was also the exact same one in 2004
So what? The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
[...] >but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
First of all whether Ukraine wanted to join NATO willingly is up for grabs. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but either way it doesn't impact political intrests of any side involved in this conflict. Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
[...] >"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway
Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden. Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia? Because if you admit to that then you're picture loses all of it's luster since NATO could always just decide to fuck off and relax.
>NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
More russian lies.
Russia never sincerely wanted to join NATO, because that would make them equal partners without imperial ambitions, and they would have needed to reform their weapons procurement, armed forces and cut corruption. All of which was against their ambitions and internal mafia state. > i fucking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong
The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia, like France and Germany did since the 90s up to the 2022 invasion. Their naive Ostpolitik appeasement was a mistake. >no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
literal wife beater logic.
>The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia
Ok so you are on some next level NATOshilling. Actually crazy.
ukraine wasn't even joining nato, the revolution of dignity was sparked because yanukovych cucked out to pressure from russia on signing an eu co-operation agreement that had already passed parliament
The writing was on the wall. NATO literally couped the previous government and you think they'll just go home for no reason after that? Don't be silly.
If people enter alliances around you for no reason, then it can signal that the alliances are directed toward you. If there's no discernable reason for an alliance to be directed toward you, then it can be perceived that the alliance has aggressive intentions toward you.
But when there's obvious fucking reasons why the alliance was created, because of YOUR own aggression, then that whole argument is thrown out the window.
Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why do you play your childish strategy games like a chimping out moron?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I knew the second i made that comparison you midwits would swarm at it like hyenas. I bet internally you think to yourself >there is just no way that intuitive video game logic could blow my argument out the water that easily...things are so much more complex and this guy is just silly
When in reality you are just SO fucking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water. At this point you're just a combination of subhuman IQ + undeserved smugness.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When in reality you are just SO fucking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water.
kek, the retard doesn't know that the every grand strategy game's ezmode is peaceful coexistence, alliances and trade, it's just boring to play that way.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't suppose you've noticed that real countries don't act like bots in a subpar, overpriced wargame.
Maybe the reason you're being mauled by hyenas is because you're deliciously retarded
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>knows it’s stupid to say >does anyway
Yeah this is a humiliation fetish
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
entirely logical is it not ?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia?
Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia? If so, then being anti-Russia is a good thing.
You, Boris, do not have the right to invade Latvia and enslave its population. And if you try you'll get a giant B21-shaped boot shoved so far up your ass you'll have an imprint of the Northrop Grumman logo pushing out of your forehead.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia?
Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine. And no some interventions in pebblestates god knows where aren't sufficient proof for imminent Invasions of real countries.
>It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong gay lol >Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.
I guess the current invasion doesn't count as aggression when your head exists in clown world, lmfao
>The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong gay lol
The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if. >I guess the current invasion doesn't count
It doesn't because it's IN RESPONSE TO previous NATO aggression. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
>NATO coup!!!!
This is such an asinine lie. Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit? How the fuck does that work? The president at the time had literally been caught red handed rigging a previous election and he was an ex-con that ran a street gang in the USSR.
>Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit?
Yeah. Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact. George Floyd summer, France every half a year, you name it. Protests are just for show 9 out of 10 times they don't mean shit. But even if i granted you that there was popular support for NATO from the Ukrainians this wouldn't actually impact the geopolitical interests of NATO or Russia in the slightests. Just look at all the times the EU didn't give a shit that their reforms were unpopular. Likewise no one cares about what Ukrainians "believe."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine.
...said the rusmoron with his boot pressed firmly on Chechnya's neck.
And when are you pieces of shit going to give back Karelia to Finland?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me. I just googled Chechnya and this is what came up. You expect me, or any real country, to fucking care about that pebblestate? Russia can rape it 20 times over i'm still not gonna take them seriously enough to think they'll plan to invade Sweden next summer. Let's ground our expectations here.
https://i.imgur.com/Ju4y5NX.png
moron, NATO countries like Germany, Italy and France were selling weapons technology to Russia until 2014 and some even continued until 2022.
Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression", the invasion/annexation of Ukraine was going to happen anyway. Everything else is just russian propaganda pretending that the Cold War was still a thing.
>Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression"
Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow. That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis. Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
https://i.imgur.com/HsTb5bV.jpg
>The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if. >implying
Can't help but notice you left out poland, there. Isn't that interesting? >If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case
This is what happens when you get all your history information from boomer news television
Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland the same way they threaten to nuke the coastline of Britian.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
not an argument mutt
Imagine thinking this will help Russia or change anyone’s mind
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
showing individual mutts how retarded they are is just a pleasant sunday distraction for me, I don't expect PrepHole golems to think, no
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You just going to keep saying mutt?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, why not?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice to know The US lives Rent free in your head
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
nice to know the label bites enough for you to cope
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You say as the entire thread triggers you? Or are you here by chance?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't chose what's in the catalog
keep projecting mutt
lmfao my guy you have been embarrassing yourself in front of a live studio audience for the last three hours
keep your delusions to yourself, this is a thread on PrepHole you total moron
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>this is a thread on PrepHole you total moron
he said, desperately hoping no one will remember his utterly embarrassing autism tantrum
last (You)'s, make them last
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Get your story straight, your the shitposter, you want (you)s ya fucking amateur
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks for a morning's entertainment, gamer, I enjoyed laughing at you over my coffee.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>this is a thread on PrepHole you total moron
he said, desperately hoping no one will remember his utterly embarrassing autism tantrum
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
lmfao my guy you have been embarrassing yourself in front of a live studio audience for the last three hours
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow
As is Finland. >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
And they will whence Ukraine kick russian occupants out.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Let's ground our expectations here. >T-that doesn't count! Let's ignore that since I fucked up and said something stupid! >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google >Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland
I accept your concession
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
Anyway, this shouldn't matter. Even if a country was 1 meter away from moscow.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
So this is how they justify their wars, interesting
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
correct komrad*~~) the pravda of the matter is that russkiy mir is whole globe*~~) we will conquer it all*~~))
You didn't get me correctly. If a country was a meter away from moscow, it wouldn't be right to invade it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah ok
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
true, I'm retarded
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
correct komrad*~~) the pravda of the matter is that russkiy mir is whole globe*~~) we will conquer it all*~~))
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>russian moron doesn't live in the russia he's so proud of
You still haven't explained how a DEFENSIVE alliance whose only function is to protect small countries from Russian attack is "aggressive."
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You really hate it when people bruise your ego. Christ you're one fucked up loser. You just can't let an internet argument go.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I am simply asking you to have a nice day.
Russia has shown time and time again that it is not a country that can be trusted. They lie constantly, have propangandist say that they will march up to Berlin and Warsaw, and retards talking about destroying England with a nuclear tsunami. It is not a normal nation, which you can discuss and operate with. It is an abusive state. A regional power thinking they are still on top of the world. They fucked around, now they find out.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
You fucking baboon, you typing apes, Burgers can drop a Minuteman in Moscow in less than 30 minutes. They don't really care about getting a "foothold" in Ukraine for your fantasmed HATO invasion of Russia. Nobody wants to invade this shithole. If we wanted you gone, you'd be vaporized into shit particles by a W84 faster than you can type "HATO expansion" with your cum covered hands.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me
Bullshit, you're a tankie or a diapora snow moron.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
So what? So are the baltic countries, and Ukraine wasn't going to be allowed in NATO, nor it wanted to join. It's all a lie, >That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis
any modern nuclear missile system doesn't give a fuck about the difference in distance, nevermind that Cuba became irrelevant since nuclear submarines. >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
NATO countries were selling Russia military hardware up to 2022, you disingenous cunt. The only thing NATO and the EU wanted up to 2014 was to sell Russia more stuff.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If there are no benefits to Ukraine joining NATO then why coup their government in the first place? Since we know that NATO does in fact do those things it stands to reason they see at least SOME benefit for themselves by encroach on Russia
>Mass media engineers fake protests all the time
Okay, walk me through your thought process here.
So a glowie walks out into the open with his group of 50 hippie glowies who are all on an indefinite payroll to start ranting about something. Then what? They just sit there "protesting" until more people join them? For how long? How can they even guarantee this "fake protest" takes off? How can they also guarantee this "protest" even goes past their own plants? How can they continue gaining funding for what is basically standing around shouting? How can they guarantee it working for days, weeks, if not months just so they get some people to care? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on signs and petitioning certain people at news stations? How does no one catch onto that operation when people look at the CIA's books or a FOIA gets asked about their dealings?
You realize that people need some sort of cause to rally around, right? Something that the general pleb out in the real world can understand is morally bad and can join in fighting back. What do they even gain from protests against their own government and the people who pay their salaries in your French example? Kicking out the current PM?
Some mass protest being spurred on by glowies is only realistic if it takes months to do with tons of monetary investment so that their actual idea lays roots, but at that point they can't even guarantee people will follow the original idea. Wallstreet is a good example of a shitshow that immediately collapsed as soon as Ketchup and that other pansexual or whatever guy started talking about their "terms". Look at how the "No Work" subreddit collapsed because of a single interview.
Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing. It's not like global warming demos or vaccine demos are totally organic either. Propaganda works.
>did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO?
Yes they did lmfao [...]
That's a threat in relation to NATO, not Ukraine in itself. Try again retard.
Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
Russia on the other hands has repeatedly made threats on all its neighbors, and other countries that don't obey their temper tantrums. Those threats come from their internal propanganda along with official statements. This is not a normal attitude to have with their neighbor. Normal countries don't regularly threaten their neighbors with invasion and nuclear holocaust. But now, finally, Russia put their foot down and actually did the funny by acting upon their threats and now you see its citizen getting blown up in the middle of blowing each other.
But again, you should sincerely have a nice day.
>Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
You morons are so dumb. Literally how can you guys fall for this argument 5 times in one thread. Do you have any fucking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh coup
Fuck off the Russian puppet would have kept his his station if he didn’t flee to Daddy Putin when he got nervous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Propaganda works.
Correct. You're a prime example of a propagandized retard who has attached both his ego and worldview to the erroneous reality fed to him.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
My guy, Ukraine did not magically appear in the world already part of Russia. Russia conquered Ukraine multiple times throughout history. Picrel is just one example, this is the exact lack of understanding of russian history that people have been mocking you over.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Do you have any fucking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
The fact that nations voluntarily join because they are afraid of Russia
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You fucking goon. NATO was starting to break apart because no one thought it was needed. Then Monke chimped out and now it’s stronger than ever
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was no NATO coup or encroaching, it's a russian lie, made up to justify conquering Crimea and subverting the Donbass. No main NATO country cared for NATO anymore before 2014.
Maidan and the rest wasn't about NATO, it was about the EU. Both aren't the same at all, and the second is what Putin's Russia really feared.
[...]
Finally you show your true face, pedo >no mercy to traitors.
Russia is the country of thugs and traitors that betrayed the EU's sincere Ostpolitik, KYS
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing
Okay, so now explain how this "simple answer" works.
Do they bribe every single newscaster in the country? Who are they "organizing" with? How does no money get tracked to any of these people when people constantly pull tax forms and income on news stations and governmental agencies for shits and giggles? How do they push the exact same story to every single news agency and expect them to read out the same dialogue verbatim outside of a press release which immediately ties said press release to a company?
You ever think that maybe, just maybe, these are natural issues we should think about that are promoted by people within their fields and not a government psyop to get people to sit at home all day not doing any work while using less resources which the rich themselves also have to follow? What do individual governments gain from following "Global Warming precautions" in your fantasy world when it requires hundreds of billions if not trillions of expenditures that shut the countries down for weeks arguing about budget that also keeps tens of thousands of workers furloughed? All so random solar panel and wind turbine owners can gain money? Things we already import from China?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
No it’s obvious all the garden gnomes, every problem is garden gnomes, they do everything
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's also the fact that when glowies DO want to force a regime change, they just pick a prefered side in an 'intervention' like in Libya and Yugoslavia. Much easier than trying to do some propaganda masterpiece.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If western glowies were half as good as retarded tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s instead of those rumours about Clinton helping Russia kill Dudayev.
And speaking of Clinton, he was forced to allow NATO expansion in the 90s when countries like Poland blackmailed him by supporting and financing the Republican party, lol. Vatniks and tankies are brainwashed morons that don't know anything about history:
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,986677,00.html
Just like with Israel or Cuba before, a lot of the US foreign policy about Eastern Europe was the result of diaspora lobbying groups from those countries, in this case the Polish American Congress
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If western glowies were half as good as retarded tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s
This, a thousand times this. If HATO glowies were such master plotters, Pocciya would've been split between Ruslandia (Muscovy, St. Pidorsburg, and dependencies), the Trans (kek) Siberian Republic, the Kavkaz Emirate, and the Chinese Protectorate of Kamchatka.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wish france sold mistrals to their master.
It'd be so fucking kino to see it fisted by 4 neptunes
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fuck you I live in Baltimore and that shit was real
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if. >implying
Can't help but notice you left out poland, there. Isn't that interesting? >If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case
This is what happens when you get all your history information from boomer news television
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If the west has this much control how could you ever hope to win? This is a humiliation fetishist
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No True Scotsman for invasions
Cool, hadn't seen that one before
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Answer quicker fuck face
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact >France every half a year,
>let me tell you about your country
ta gueule pédé
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
UwU what's this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/russia.ukraine
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok so you have an article saying that Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO in 2008? Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!
Yes I did, thanks! It's a bit of an inconvient article for you, isn't it?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine
Georgia?
It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden. Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia? Because if you admit to that then you're picture loses all of it's luster since NATO could always just decide to fuck off and relax.
[...] >The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia
Ok so you are on some next level NATOshilling. Actually crazy.
[...]
The writing was on the wall. NATO literally couped the previous government and you think they'll just go home for no reason after that? Don't be silly.
[...]
Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.
>It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
What about Ukraine?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Georgia?
Real countries only. >What about Ukraine?
The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't. Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO so if NATO simply decided to fuck off and do nothing none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow
As is Finland. >Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
And they will whence Ukraine kick russian occupants out.
>As is Finland.
Yeah that's a decent point, but the history of Finland and Russia is a bit different compared to Ukraine in Russia so it's not 1:1.
https://i.imgur.com/YU6Bokb.jpg
>Let's ground our expectations here. >T-that doesn't count! Let's ignore that since I fucked up and said something stupid! >Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google >Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland
I accept your concession
>I accept your concession
There is no concession unless you think there is a credible threat of Russia invading Poland. Beyond absurd.
>russian moron doesn't live in the russia he's so proud of
You still haven't explained how a DEFENSIVE alliance whose only function is to protect small countries from Russian attack is "aggressive."
Hey inbred just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys." I said this 3 times already and there are still subhumans that make this argument. Even 85 IQ morons would think you're retarded.
I am simply asking you to have a nice day.
Russia has shown time and time again that it is not a country that can be trusted. They lie constantly, have propangandist say that they will march up to Berlin and Warsaw, and retards talking about destroying England with a nuclear tsunami. It is not a normal nation, which you can discuss and operate with. It is an abusive state. A regional power thinking they are still on top of the world. They fucked around, now they find out.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
You fucking baboon, you typing apes, Burgers can drop a Minuteman in Moscow in less than 30 minutes. They don't really care about getting a "foothold" in Ukraine for your fantasmed HATO invasion of Russia. Nobody wants to invade this shithole. If we wanted you gone, you'd be vaporized into shit particles by a W84 faster than you can type "HATO expansion" with your cum covered hands.
Funny how the narrative ITT is that NATO is too above it all to care about invading Russia, but Russia is on it's way to annex Poland, Sweden, the Baltics and basically the entirety of eastern Europe. Definetly consistent with reality.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>is a bit different compared
Ok too meta man
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO?
Yes they did lmfao
https://i.imgur.com/TrCjWhR.png
>. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
UwU what's this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/russia.ukraine
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Russia threatens anyone who doesn’t want to be Russified
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
and US threatens anyone who doesn't want to be moronified, perfect match
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he hasn’t seen the new VDV recruits
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
does not make US any less of a moron worshiping nation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I love how you fuck will admit to anything just to say moron, it’s like 2007 on /b/
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he thinks he talks to someone who cares what is 'admitted' about Russia
mutt, your masters spread gayry all over the planet, you have enemies everywhere, including Europe
stop inhaling your own farts
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is all you can think of are garden gnomes and gays?
Putin is gnomish, the oligarchs are gnomish, Russia has trans clinics, the Russian army has homosexual behavior based in
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>please don't talk about the garden gnomes, we amerimutts are a glorious nation >muh russians
I don't even like the word, but this is pure cope
that's what most of PrepHole is here for really - yes, there's something rotten about my country, but facing that is harder than coping though failures of others
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What’s it like putting everything you are into a dying nation?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're going to have to be more coherent than that
sorry, I know I'm asking much
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon what do you even get out of this? Do you actually think, fuck I don’t even know at this point, that saying moron and mutt on PrepHole does anything?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm getting some pleasure of out it, it is pleasant to correct someone unjustifiably self assured
and what harm is there in calling mutts mutts, and saying they worship morons? I really do think that, and slurs are intentional
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Christ self reflection has become a rare thing
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Darkly hinting is not an argument
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no argument, just you screaming slurs as he watch bemused
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There is no argument
Indeed, I suppose I should not have expected one
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fucking retard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What happened to being done with replying, zigger?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You think cum/chug/ers have self control?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Please be understanding. He’s lonely and this is the most efficient way to get attention
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>unjustifiably self assured
yea about that..
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
you forgot the "to correct" part, not by accident too
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ESL moment
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
here we go, the last redoubt of a mutt >muh language
if you did not understand something, just ask for an explanation
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fucking retard yes I’m a bot beep
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's still replying lmfao wow
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
so are you, so why mention it
I was waiting for something of substance from that guy, a mistake
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Esl moment
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>so are you, so why mention it
Because you claimed to be done with replying in the post you deleted lmfao everything you posted in this thread reeks of a russian with a bruised ego
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>muh russians
mutt, I don't know what posts you're talking about, I'm the person reminding mutts they serve something monstrous >muh replies
to the mutts that devolved into complete retardation, I will continue replying in the thread if it pleases me
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cum /chug/er
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Whore
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
well at least you had enough imagination not to hind behind muh vatniks
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As in whore for Russia you fucking piece of shit, go jack off to children on 4chan
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
no russian ever called me a bigot, mutt
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Too busy shitting up Europe and sucking gnomish cock
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
sorry, I lost the plot, we're talking about the mutt empire now?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fucking retard this is why the ideological enemies of the west always loose, all you can do is deflect and deny reality, you always fuck yourselves over with extremism and denial
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>of the west
the west has died in 1914-1918, there is no ideology outside of what suits the capital and is possible with changes in technology >deny, deflect
I just want mutt tentacles far from Europe, and Russia our gas station
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he's still going
lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
and you still have nothing in response
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
MUH DICK how’s that for a response?!?!?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’m impressed you managed to one up your own stupid statement
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'd be impressed if you managed to make a point
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
MUH DICK
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no russian ever called me a bigot >He conveniently forgets "And you are lynching Black folks"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not a mutt, obviously
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
YOUR BROWN
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Someone online called me bad, so I will side with mass murdering troglodytes to dab on twitter badge holders
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
those badge holders represent the tentacles of amerimutt "culture" and influence >I will side with
mutt, I know it's tough, but try to understand, you don't need to side with russian empire to hate your masters
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Scizo babble at its finest
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>there is no influence >there is no culture
well here we agree >there is no elite class ruling over mutt plebs
hecking "scizos" am I right
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>YOOOOOU HAVE OVERLORDS WHO CONTROL EVERYTHING BUUUUT I DONT!!!
Lol
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
we all have overlords, your are more malicious than others, and mine are more homegrown, for what it's worth
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>mine are more homegrown
Jesus Christ you can’t make this shut up, the shit you fucks say, I hope this is just trolling by this point
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I can't hecking believe what is being said
ok, and?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I genuinely hope you aren’t as hair brained and blind to your own hypocrisy anon, I seriously do, no one deserves to be as ignorant as you act.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
spell it out for me, do your good deed of the day
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah in reality I hope you suffocate on your own bile, have fun being king of shit mountain you fag, have a rotten day
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now that's pathetic, you had some point in mind, all you had to do was curtly explain
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go on anon say the line
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes I AM a member of the CIA, and YES I will be looking into you later today >lol no you’re not
So you’re lying then about everything?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Muh ego
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ah the know it all blind spot
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
claim what you want about what I wrote, but at the very least I am direct
you're not even coherent
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Esl moment
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
Russia on the other hands has repeatedly made threats on all its neighbors, and other countries that don't obey their temper tantrums. Those threats come from their internal propanganda along with official statements. This is not a normal attitude to have with their neighbor. Normal countries don't regularly threaten their neighbors with invasion and nuclear holocaust. But now, finally, Russia put their foot down and actually did the funny by acting upon their threats and now you see its citizen getting blown up in the middle of blowing each other.
But again, you should sincerely have a nice day.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Real countries only.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't
Yes they did, you liar. And Ukraine NEVER eased up to NATO. >Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO
Another red herring and a lie while he was buying NATO military hardware (like tank thermal sights and many more ) >none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.
Another lie. Russia was always going to try to annex or invade Ukraine, because it along Belarus are the core of their imperialistic ideology. > just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys."
But we they are "good guys", and have proven so at every turn. Specially when they bombed Serbia to stop the decade of genocides and war in the Balkans that they started.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I wish NATO would invade russia just to shut your whore vatmoron mouth
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Real countries only.
That's a real country. >The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't.
Yes they did, when they started to poison opposed to russia politicians.
If there are no benefits to Ukraine joining NATO then why coup their government in the first place? Since we know that NATO does in fact do those things it stands to reason they see at least SOME benefit for themselves by encroach on Russia
[...]
Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing. It's not like global warming demos or vaccine demos are totally organic either. Propaganda works.
[...]
That's a threat in relation to NATO, not Ukraine in itself. Try again retard.
[...] >Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
You morons are so dumb. Literally how can you guys fall for this argument 5 times in one thread. Do you have any fucking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
>why coup their government in the first place
russia alone says it was coup. Why do you cite russian agenda? Especially since we all know they always lie.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>pro-russian shill is also an anti-EU shill
pottery
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What the fuck Greece?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They didnt like austerity measures and wanted to recieve money without those.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
MUH DEBT
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Mass media engineers fake protests all the time
Okay, walk me through your thought process here.
So a glowie walks out into the open with his group of 50 hippie glowies who are all on an indefinite payroll to start ranting about something. Then what? They just sit there "protesting" until more people join them? For how long? How can they even guarantee this "fake protest" takes off? How can they also guarantee this "protest" even goes past their own plants? How can they continue gaining funding for what is basically standing around shouting? How can they guarantee it working for days, weeks, if not months just so they get some people to care? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on signs and petitioning certain people at news stations? How does no one catch onto that operation when people look at the CIA's books or a FOIA gets asked about their dealings?
You realize that people need some sort of cause to rally around, right? Something that the general pleb out in the real world can understand is morally bad and can join in fighting back. What do they even gain from protests against their own government and the people who pay their salaries in your French example? Kicking out the current PM?
Some mass protest being spurred on by glowies is only realistic if it takes months to do with tons of monetary investment so that their actual idea lays roots, but at that point they can't even guarantee people will follow the original idea. Wallstreet is a good example of a shitshow that immediately collapsed as soon as Ketchup and that other pansexual or whatever guy started talking about their "terms". Look at how the "No Work" subreddit collapsed because of a single interview.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong gay lol >Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.
I guess the current invasion doesn't count as aggression when your head exists in clown world, lmfao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown. >Russian aggression doesn't work as well these days >The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO, /ˈneJtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord, OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 31 member states – 29 European and two North American. Established in the aftermath of World War II, the organization implemented the North Atlantic Treaty, signed in Washington, D.C., on 4 April 1949. >NATO defense is laughibly overblown
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you're not allowed to keep your sovereignty because... the countries Russia invaded were small
lyl
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO coup!!!!
This is such an asinine lie. Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit? How the fuck does that work? The president at the time had literally been caught red handed rigging a previous election and he was an ex-con that ran a street gang in the USSR.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NATO literally couped the previous government
the "coup" was literally the popular revolution sparked by yanukovych reneging on the eu treaty
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
even the fragment of nuland's phone conversation vattniks love to parrot hasn't a word about organizing a revolution or overthrowing yanukovych, it's about getting un diplomats involved and reaching out to yanukovych on how they'd prefer the prime minister's position that yanukovych was going to give to either yatseniuk or klitschko, to be given to yatseniuk who was the more experienced politician
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>yatseniuk or klitschko
and these were both pro-protest, pro-eu guys already
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
moron, NATO countries like Germany, Italy and France were selling weapons technology to Russia until 2014 and some even continued until 2022.
Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression", the invasion/annexation of Ukraine was going to happen anyway. Everything else is just russian propaganda pretending that the Cold War was still a thing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I knew the second i made that comparison you midwits would swarm at it like hyenas. I bet internally you think to yourself >there is just no way that intuitive video game logic could blow my argument out the water that easily...things are so much more complex and this guy is just silly
When in reality you are just SO fucking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water. At this point you're just a combination of subhuman IQ + undeserved smugness.
>If Russia does nothing
You don't get it at all. Your options aren't limited to >let NATO expand
and >invade a country
Surely you must have noticed what a big difference there is between NATO expansion and Russia's expansion. You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
It turns out that besides doing nothing and invading, there's a third, more civilized option! Imagine that! Interactions with your neighbours can involve things other than violence. Crazy stuff, I know.
What I'm trying to say is that while the EU provides economic growth and stability, and NATO provides military protection, Russia offers absolutely nothing of value to any of its neighbours.
Had Russia provided something of value to Ukraine, it would have been very easy for the Ukrainians to justify cozying up to Russia. They speak the same language, they share culture and history and a big ass border. But Russia provides nothing other than increased rates of HIV and poverty, so logically, its neighbours slowly drifted away and cozied up to the west instead.
Countries doing some math and figuring out that improving relations with the west is better than improving relations with Russia isn't aggression. Countries looking at what happened to Georgia and deciding that they don't want any of that isn't aggression either.
>on Russias sphere of influence
Kek, Russia is not entitled a sphere of influence, this is not food stamps, they have to put in the work so the other countries gravitate towards them.
PrepHole feels like one of the only sane places left on PrepHole. So many other boards I get drawn into schizo rantings about conspiracies to take down the white race.
100% agree, I've been homeless on PrepHole for a long time now until I found this board. Good number of sane people still able to drown out the shills and schizos
At 2:17:20 the 2 drones almost crashed into each other, it'd be fun if he watched the 2 drones he was communicating with collide and crash. Very embarrassing for piggers.
ukraine wasn't even joining nato, the revolution of dignity was sparked because yanukovych cucked out to pressure from russia on signing an eu co-operation agreement that had already passed parliament
ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.
To recap: Ukies have interviewed the russian soldier that surrendered to them around Bahkmut. He was a mobik left behind to die in a trench filled with corpses along his comrades by Wagner mercenaries. His hopeless buddies commited suicide but since he was not wounded, he sucessfully tried surrendered.
>ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.
He kept replying even after hitting 300, i think this retard genuinely believes the bullshit he's spouting
Havent watched the video yet but does he ever intend to return to his homeland.
Giving an interview like that as a POW pretty much guarantees jail forever if you ever go home
Not really, Zolkin interviewed hundreds of POWs, of those that were exchanged some were just interviewed in Russia where they backpedaled on their statements. Unless he's wagner he'll be fine.
>Giving an interview like that as a POW pretty much guarantees jail forever if you ever go home
The opposite actually. Russia is one big Potemkin country, where everyone tries to make a show for someone else. In case of this war russian government tries to make a picture for russian populace that everything is good, no one dies, nothing happens, there is no war in Ba Sing Se. Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist, and the best way for russian pow to get back to russia is to get his face on the media where russian government can't anymore deny his existence.
So yeah, russia.
You've never been over there, your idea of the place is about as real as your chinese cartoon, you gay
Lol it’s real
not an argument mutt
except one crucial thing.
They can choose to supress this information under ton of irrelevant spam and silently remove the guy.
He's dead either way.
>Naturally, for the most part, they don't acknowledge that they have pows on the other side, because pretending like there's none for bureaucracy is effectively the same as there's being none. That means that they wouldn't exchange their own back normally as to not admit that they exist,
There's been countless exchanges of POWs between Russia and Ukraine every few months.
Yeah, and most of exchanged russians were pilots, officers, chechens or those who showed up in interviews
interview starts at 55:35
Is there a version with subtitles anywhere?
You dont need subtitles. This is fake. He is an actor and all that drone surrending a psyops.
I can tell your not white
Either brown or yellow
Dude must be the best actor in history of Russia.
5 rubles for this weak attempt, you can do better Rakesh.
>ignore the dead Ukrainian focus on the Russian
>dead Ukrainian
Who? The Wagner guy outside the trench? Yeah, there's more than one.
Haven't seen Ukrainians killing themselves due to nonexistent or lack of any effort casevac.
He's Russian
Ah yes, the "It's all just Hollywood propaganda" cope.
Sergei you idiot, they of saw right through your demotivational post! Do you want to be send to /b/ spam unit? Posting "Biden is of pedo, pls votings for Mr Trump!" spams all day?? Think Sergei, Think! Blyat!
Jesus not the /b/ group. I would rather go to bahmut
Real schizo hours
cope vatnik, why are you panicking?
>he was merely pretending to be participating in an active warzone!
This! only westoids think that russians look like that. No slanted eyes? no brownish skinn? Still has most teeth? doesn't look like 70 by 30? No round faces?
Yeah no way he's russian
Yeah western propaganda
This is the main reason I want Russia to be wiped of the map, because that way we may finally get rid of retards like this one.
^Wisdom.
You can use English auto translate from the settings cog in YouTube. It’s not perfect but it is passable. You’re not going to confuse bahmud for something else.
not english not watching
Cliff notes summary?
I don't speak Russian and there aren't any subtitles.
>a Wagner soldier showed them the way to this trench and left them there
>the trenches were filled with cadavers, both ukranian and Wagner and regular Russian soldiers
>all they did was run from the drone and try to hide
>one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
>dude decided to try to communicate with the drone since he had nothing to lose
>Russia is giving grenades to soldiers for the sole purpose of killing themselves
End this war right fucking now please god
Anon, this is the reason to CONTINUE the war.
Some of the guys being conscripted don't want to fight Ukrainians or shoot Ukrainian people. They are being forced by Putin to march into Ukrainian gunfire. Why do you want them dead, if they never supported it and it wasn't their decision, you know, them living in a totalitarian regime and all?
Because they're still marching into Ukraine.
When they start using the guns they're given against their whip-masters, then they start to be allowed to live.
>They can kill the people trying to force them to fight
>They can hide
>They can surrender
>They can run away and desert
>They can bribe someone
>They can flee Russia
They are a thousand things they can do, but by entering Ukraine they are assisting with the invasion and deserve nothing but a painful death.
>kill the people forcing them to fight
and put their family in danger, aside from being 100% certain to get themselves killed as (legally justifiably) traitors to the country.
>hide
not likely, and then see part one
>desert
see part one
>bribe someone
if caught, see part one. if not caught, see parts 2-4
>flee russia
this is different than running away? either way, they can not, as it has been made illegal to do so and other countries are not accepting male refugees.
>surrender
you can't surrender to many forces, especially if the people to the left and right of you aren't. also how do you surrender to a drone.
They are young men, teenagers many of them, ignorant and scared. I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.
>They have no choice other than fighting
You are as much of a slave as the cunts you are defending.
>I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but you are a demon for wishing upon them a painful death.
They are fucking invaders, full stop. If you genuinely think they deserve any pity in comparison to the Ukrainians then you are either amazingly smoothbrained or an unironic gaslighting vatnik.
my man, i know two russki's
one left the same fucking day the invasion started and its living off drawing futa porn in finland
the other left when king chimp announced mobilization and works in some industrial warehouse in georgia
if two nerdy retards that i met because we paint cringy 40k toy soldiers can do that im surve ivan that lives in siberia and has to dodge wolves everytime he goes out to take a piss can fucking do it
>muh families back home
you seriously understimate how dysfunctional the whole soviet/russian state is, if you dont show up to the ucraine funtime they arent gonna fucking lazer your whole family like 1984 secret police, they will either ignore it or outright forget it.
Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago. This whole thing is an awful waste of human life but a dead Ukie weighs far more heavily upon me than a dead zigger.
>Realistically a significant portion of those conscripts were chest thumping and celebrating Russian atrocities a year ago
Doubt it. The vast majority of Russian is apathatic. They just try to keep their heads down and let their dictator do whatever and since until last year the unspoken rule was "We at the top get rich but in exchange don't touch you" it has worked out alright.
Frankly I think that's the reason why there hasn't been more in terms of mobilization or employment of conscripts in annexed territory (which would be perfectly legal by Russian law). Putin is still afraid of angering the homefront more than he already has.
They are (statistically likely to be fat) random people posting behind the comfort of their screens about how good it is people are dying in horrific ways. They are either evil, asleep and conditioned by an evil culture, or shills (likely falling into the former category, but there can be rare exceptions).
You are throwing pearls before swine, anon.
The Russian Legion proves they have a choice. They always did and many mutinies under the Tsars until revolution prove that.
Le Meme Legion is not real. Its some personal media project of Ze inner cicle shithead, like yermak or whatever russia related plant.
Its been 15 months of war and we had 0 (zero) reports of them having any casualties, even anonymous ones without naming names.
We haev 0 (zero) reports from a single Ukrainian unit seeing them or cooperating with them on the battlefield. We have 0 (zero) photos or videos taken by anyone, besides few special "jounalists".
It only exist in your heads and barely in propaganda. It is as halfassed as everything else done by Ze media and his friends. Just like everything the do, it was created for propaganda purposes and then forgotten. Once in few months they are taken out of pocket to remind that such thing supposedly exist and then shelved for another few months.
Also, I fucking laughed my ass off, when there were explosions (in Crimea I guess?) and then Ponomarev the russian Deputy aka speaker of Legion spoke and said that Legion takes responsibility for it, but then shortly after Atesh (real crimean resistance) reported that this was their job and Ponomarev backpedaled like incel pushed into a corner and took all his words back.
>Following the killing of Darya Dugina, Ponomarev has claimed to have been in contact with a hitherto-unknown group called the National Republican Army which he said claimed responsibility for the killing.[16][17][18] He claims not to be a member but a supporter who is trusted to receive press releases.[19][20] Ponomarev's claims have been treated by observers with scepticism.[21][22][23]
It sounds like he wants to talk up a big game and made up an organization in his head.
I think Freedom of Russia Legion is real but INCREDIBLY tiny and mostly used for media purposes. Like 50-250 people and kept away from serious fighting. And effectively they're just Ukrainians at this point. The vast majority of elligible military aged Russains would rather run away and flee Russian conscription rather than take up arms.
And some of those guys are spending their time away from the trenches raping ukrainian women and children.
They may not have participated by choice, but they didn't choose to NOT participate either. They might not have volunteered, but when conscription came, they didn't run, or hide, or resist. They didn't desert or surrender. They didn't frag their officers or turn their guns on the blocking troops.
They chose to become participants in evil. And ultimately, through inaction they chose the manner of their deaths. They chose to die meaningless deaths. They chose to die in furtherance of evil. They chose to die in a trench full of rotting corpses, for the benefit of a man who considered them nothing, as part of an army which murders indiscriminately, and does not bother to treat their wounded or bury their dead.
The world is objectively better because they are dead, because in an almost infinitesimal, but certainly non-zero way, Russia is now closer to defeat and the future further away from barbarity. Other men will live, but only because these men died before they had a chance to kill. Dying by their own hand would have been a virtuous act, had they done so to avoid becoming complicit in a great evil, rather than to avoid personally suffering. Instead, the most meaningful thing those men ever did was to die a meaningless death, ending their own lives to avoid the consequences of their actions and inaction.
But is it really a choice, when you're not aware you're making it?
>End this war right fucking now please god
All Russia has to do is leave Ukraine, return all Ukrainians, pay wergild, and offer up criminals to be executed.
>stop the war they started
And it's doubly fucked how the drone operator says that he perfectly understands his choice to commit suicide because everyone knows there is no casevac and if they try to get out their own they get "zeroed" by blocking detachments.
Shit's fucking grim, I hope that if the people responsible will be put to justice it will be not only for the crimes against Ukrainians but also against their own people
Russians aren't people.
Memes aside, they are
It's no meme, they show no mercy or humanity, they should be responded in kind.
sure thing tough guy
You're not going to soften people on Russians, at least not by means of cheap, retarded high-school level shaming. Put some work into it.
It’s a meme, and not even a good one. these fucking kids and old men are being sent to die for the Russian oligarchy, the mafia that currently rules over russia. These poor fucking idiots are brainwashed and sent to their fucking deaths over nothing, for nothing other than a megalomaniacs ego trip. I pray every day that the russian armed forces finally fucking mutiny and turn the assault back into Russia.
They've been carrying this bald midget since 1999, he's literally terror bombed his own people and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection, public discomfort or assassination attempts. Public opinion on the war is hard to assess, but it generally seems favorable towards the war. Sure there are conscripts being sent to their certain deaths, but there are a lot more wagner mercs and career soldiers defending the front lines.
Same goes for luganda and donbabwe, they made their bed a long time ago and now there are no men in those regions.
>and there hasn't been a hint of insurrection,
Actually in 2013-2014 was big movement against Putin, but it was stomped and defeated by authority.
Since then any acts of civilian disobedience are banned in Russia and people trying are immediately imprisoned and fined into oblivion.
Remember Russian has 400k string Rosgvardia made specifically to right Russian citizens. While initial Russian invasion into Ukraine had. Only 200k troops. Show priorities of enemies for Russian state, who is considered more dangerous: Russian citizens or NATO.
Anon, other people have resist harder, in the face of worse consequences, to stop far lesser evils. There were people who opposed Hitler at a time when even passive resistance could mean dying in a concentration camp. I'll respect the Russian people once I hear of an army officer who tried to suicide bomb Putin. Because three German officers (including a general) attempted to do that exact thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_von_dem_Bussche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewald-Heinrich_von_Kleist-Schmenzin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_von_dem_Bussche
Their culture PRODUCED every Russian social system. They're Asiatics. They chose their fate by being what they are. They're incapable of virtue so why care about them?
I'll save my empathy for humans.
Proofs? I've yet to see none during this war.
Why are you celebrating the death of a young man? Why?
Did he kill your people. No, it was Putin that sent him.
Stop hating the soldier. Hate the politician.
>Why are you celebrating the death of a young man?
Because ziggers like him raped children in front of their parents and pillaged their way through ukraine. The truly sad thing is this zigger probably didn't suffer much.
>Stop hating the soldier.
Russian soldiers deserve the hate, they were comminting war crimes against civilians since day one of the invasion: https://files.catbox.moe/pkthoq.mp4
>Stop hating the soldier.
He had every opportunity to shoot his gay commissar in his gay soviet-larping gay head.
Now that's just sad. If you were to give him a high perm, he'd be indistinguishable from another random zoomie. He, like all the youngfags who got murked in the early weeks (I remember people posting the bloody documents of several mobiks, including the photos of some dude and his boyfriend) had no idea what the fuck they were doing in Ukraine. He died because some geriatric moron broke into Stalin's expired copium stash and decided to have a go at the ol' Tsar Of All The Russias.
Monke should be tried for warcrimes and crimes against humanity by both the Ukrainians, and the Russians.
Let them all end like that, they're asking for it.
The Vatmorons celebrate the destruction of Nazi Germany every year. Fuck them!
>Nazis chimp out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression
>get the shit slapped out of them for it
>Vatniks chimp out and invade their neighbors in a nakedly genocidal war of imperial aggression
>get the shit slapped out of them for it
Fair's fair.
>he still believes Soviet atrocity propaganda
NGMI
Sure, Dietrich, the Soviets just built all those deathcamps there themselves.
Both the Nazis and the Soviets are dead and rightly disdained.
The others deserved it but GPO has zero evidence of it being real and was created only because Stalin realized Russians and Ukrainians hated communism
>Fair's fair.
Except vatniks started the war with the germans while hosting a very similar dictatorship. Yet somehow they are perceived to be part of the good boys since they were not defeated while germans were. That and burgers having this almost child like gullibility when dealing with unhinged asiatics as exemplified by their stupidity of propping up fucking chicom China
>End this war right fucking now please god
Why? It's just getting good.
>End this war right fucking now please god
Why? Russians are enemies of God, Bolshevik scum and defilers of my PrepHole. If the war ends early they'll just respawn and do it again, Russians being incapable of change.
Don't confuse them with humans or have human feelings towards them. They're merely bipedal enemies of civilization whose country is responsible for the entire anti-weapons movement world wide.
That's the point. total zigger death.
TZD
>i don’t feel so good bro
god damn why is this so gruesome and funny at the same time
i wish hell was real so Putin would go there when he dies
>it was him and two other soldiers in that trench, one blew himself up with grenade other one shot himself
>they sent numerous radio calls to explain their situation and evacuate them but nobody responded
Was the surrendering soldier Wagner or MoD?
or Russian military is what I mean*
Mobilised
Why is a Wagner soldier showing him around?
Because the hierarchy in the Russian forces goes
>fresh mobik
>wagnoid penal unit
>wagnoid barrier troops
>experienced MOD troops
>tiktok battalion
MOD/conscript. He was a prison officer before the conscription. Wagner dropped the group of them off randomly to hold the trench.
>He was a prison officer before the conscription
Nah. He served 7 years as janitor but was fired and worked as store worker before mobilisation.
MoD
But he says Wagner runs the show there. Like they make decisions and MoD officers repeat these orders and send MoD troops according to Wagner decisions. Wagner decided to man this trench so this guy platoon lieutenant gives them direct order to follow Wagner pathfinder guy and man this trench. Also guy constantly says about executiion if they refuse to follow orders and he says it like it absolutely sure and routine thing. Also on the way there Wagner pathfinder told them there would be no medivac if they would be wounded he can only offer them mercy kill.
I'll always be amazed at how Russians behave absolutely worse than morons and make their lives living hell, yet somehow believe that they're there to make Ukraine a better place.
Its philosophy of balance: there is no better: thus there is no good, and thus what russia has to offer, is not bad because for bad you need good. Makes sense, they come from Habarovsk to live it
That's grim as hell. No wonder there are so many suicides. Why is there such poor medevac culture in the Russian military?
>Why is there such poor medevac culture in the Russian military?
Because the Russian military and by extension Russian society is a potemkin village. They have some shiny top of the line weapons (5 produced, never see combat) but utterly neglect logistics and medical care. They just throw more bodies at the problem since they feel they have reserves, then wonder why they run out of guys.
because as their perfect tzar daddy idol Stalin used to say "whores will birth more"
>his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
>"I don't feel so good bro"
Oof and grim-piled
>his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
>"trenchzizters...I don't feel so good"
LOL 😀
>one guy was hit in the back and didn't feel his legs, so he killed himself with a grenade, his last words were " I don't feel so good bro."
And PrepHole is using the usual coping mechanism of gallows humor
Is Putin's strategy now to get his men killed in the saddest ways possible so that Ukraine feels sympathy for them and stops fighting?
I recall seeing or reading an interview with a guy that worked ambulances or maybe a doctor or something. He pointed out that in by far the most cases, his patients last word would be akin to "i don't feel so good"
It's been said that the most common last words of a soldier dying on the battlefield is some variation of "mother", with asking for water a distant second.
>CC
>wheel-subtitles-auto translate-english
burgers ain't into CC
the youtube translator is fucking trash, it spews out incomprehensible shit
Imagine some dude forces you to take this position at 4 in the morning and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you
>and all you do for the next hours is run around that trench trying to dodge a drone dropping stuff at you
And trying not to stumble over the rotting corpses while at it. Fuck.
It's good to know he is ok
Interesting detail. He was sent as part of the platoon to Ukraine from Russia. Not brigade of mobiks, not battalion, not even company. Fucking platoon!
Russian "organization", no attempt to create coherent trained units. Just grab platoon of guys from training grounds and send them to frontlines to replace casualties.
Probably a company on paper anyway.
real nier automata vibes
More like " Apocalypse now" vibes. Only transition from normal spring day to hell on Earth was more abrupt. He say they (he and now dead other 2 guys) didt really understand what awaits them on the position. Like everything was kind of ok, until they entered trench (he thinks there like 30-40 bodies there,) and mortar shelling started.
>More like " Apocalypse now" vibes.
The Do Lung Bridge scene, specifically.
Fuck, you're right: Except it's even worse...
?t=38
>Two of his comrades committed suicide
Mobiks sharing a suicide rate with trannies at this stage, might explain the obsession.
Grim
The Russians in these trenches are fucking retarded for not being able to put two and two together and just surrender. How stupid do you have to be to believe your life is not just being thrown away like fodder
Like I said
They don't really get what is happening until they got caught in the trap and door behind them is closed. Tell about... ACK!
At 1:20 he says how his commander dropped them off, and fucked off. he had a few provisions, and a rifle. no grandees, no binoculars. just told to wait and shoot at anyone who comes there. oh and there are gonna be a bunch of dead bodies, ignore them.
he said there were 30-40 bodies, many corpse torn apart
mostly wagner, and 1 or 2 dead ukies
Holy shit the whole "trying to communicate with a drone to stay alive" gave me feels and chills.
>Holy shit the whole "trying to communicate with a drone to stay alive" gave me feels and chills.
I feel that the UAV operators should just give these units the option to surrender first instead of killing them. I don't think these mobiks fully get what is going on or how bad their situation is. It's not fighting it's just slaughter.
>gave me feels and chills.
>war in 2023 is hilarious
>we now have post match interviews
I'm waiting for official livestreams, drone coverage and live commentary in 2033.
This is the pinnacle. Next war will be fought with stones and sticks
I remember the comment from the USCM technical manual book. Basically the platoon Commander sits at his counsel watching the stream of his platoon. The CO sits at his counsel watching a stream of his PLs. The Battalion Commander sits at his counsel watching a stream of his COs. So on and so. "Everybody is just sitting there watching the same damb war movie".
That was already happening with US infantry forces in Iraq 15 years ago.
I'm surprised they didn't get the zigger to read out a spot for Nord VPN
>I'm waiting for official livestreams, drone coverage and live commentary in 2033.
Did you miss the start of the war? I was watching russians invade from public webcams while people posted about it here or telegram. Or the live stream of the battle for the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant:
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1085427380/ukraine-nuclear-power-plant-zaporizhzhia
>Just before 11:30 p.m. local time, someone began livestreaming the plant's security footage on its YouTube channel. The livestream rolled on as Russian forces began a slow and methodical advance on the plant. The column of armored vehicles, led by the tanks, used spotlights to cautiously approach the plant from the southeast along the main service road to the facility.
i cant imagine how horrifying things must be for russians to now be committing suicide on the front regularly
and this is just the shit we see, who knows how much more there is behind the curtains
vid came out recently of one of those mongol russians, who walks around normally after murdering two of his buddies in their outpost like it was nothing.
whatever insane stories come from the russian grunts after this war i will probably be inclined to believe them
vietnam looks like a walk in the park compared to this shit
>When it's ten years from now in a public park and the drones the kids are flying start speaking Ukrainian to you
This guy does a great job making the Bakhmut front sound like hell on earth. He will run that trench forever in his dreams.
looks a bit like ben krasnow. anyway, godspeed
Entertainment of seeing Russians die in new and amusing ways every week aside, the utter pointlessness of this war keeps coming back to me. Like, all this bloodshed and waste could have been prevented if Putin just decided not to invade a neighboring country 15 months ago. If he'd packed up all those troops and sent them home after the "exercises" he'd have made the US/UK look like warmongers with all the invasion warnings and caused more friction in NATO. Instead he's crashing his people with no survivors.
most wars are utterly pointless and barbaric anon
Existentially yes, but there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly. It's not like they were trying to gain massive natural resources or wipe out a historical enemy or create a new master race. It's just Putin trying to get the band back together after Stalin's ghost appeared to him during a polonium hallucination.
Russians feel that Ukraine is part of the Russina empire, and was stolen from them in a time of weakness. Ukraine has millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves. The oil/gas based oligarch economy can't grow "normally" so they need to grab more oil/gas to "grow".
Yes, it's idiotic. But if it had gone smoothly, this would have massive boosted Russia and made them much stronger. But Ukies didn't want to go along with this.
And Russia did this because they project their demographics are just going to get shittier from here on out, so why not now? Putin likely dying from cancer means he has a 5 year window to secure his legacy. He was thinking there'd be statues of him in kiev and shit.
>He was thinking there'd be statues of him in kiev and shit.
When this war's over I hope Ukraine puts up a massive statue on the border like the Argonath in LOTR, only they're giving Russia the finger.
I'd love to see them put up huge "NO RUSSIANS ALLOWED" signs.
One of Zelensky and One of Zaluzhnyi!
My vote is for Hollywood style lettering that spells out "Idi Nahui"
Double kek
Its because none of the oil and gas money actually goes anywhere except to pay people off, legally or illegally. It's just legal and illegal stealing. That's why they need to invade, their whole political project and associated economy is based on stealing and robbing, like the USSR before it.
Unfortunately for Putin, you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia or else he'd be dealing drugs like his North Korean and Latin American friends already do.
>you can't grow poppies or coca in Russia
I'm pretty sure you can, russia has some tremendous fertile lands in the southern latitude. Oil is just more profitable with infinitely less consequences and risks, drugs are business for the lower class in russia.
>millions of people, a lot of farmland, access to the black sea, strong industrial base, oil/gas reserves, and mineral reserves.
So does Russia, they're sitting there unexploited. They also started flattening civvies as soon as they got the opportunity.
Utilizing Russian resources requires investment and that is for suckers, if you create something someone else can always steal it. In Ukraine the resources are already being used meaning you can be a smart monkey and swoop in and take the cash.
It can't possibly be more expensive than this chucklefuck of a war.
>there was almost no tangible benefit for Russia annexing Ukraine, even if it went smoothly
For russians – no.
For kremlins – very much so.
Russia being a mafia state is not a meme. It might look half-decent from the outside, but it's pure gang law on inside, literally. All those oligarchs, mayors, governors, politicians, generals and anyone at all with a notion of power, their only function is to use their position and personal connections to make up some financial scheme where they can get enough money for a yacht or two, absolutely all of them, putin included, no one in russia gets in prison for corruption, if they, the reason is most probably just that they didn't give a cut or gave it to the wrong people.
In such system there is not much room for development, all wealth is most often just taken from someone. Middle ranks and lower often leech on the budget funds in some form or other, budget comes from the higher ranks so in that way they exercise control also. Higher ranks just get direct streams of money from big corpos and industries, like Gazprom, Gazprom is putins personal wallet at this point basically. Higher ranks can't just steal more from the budget, because they create it in the first place, so to expand they require to take over more businesses, get into pocket of others. For some time mid 00' russian economy was growing, post 90' recovery, hydrocarbons price growth, foreign investments. There was a lot of opportunities growing up locally for elites to expand on, however they hit the limit very soon. That's where Ukraine comes in play. A whole new country with business and industries to plunder, billions upon billions of unrealized potential sitting there to be taken. That's where their original incentive comes from, russian oligarchs just wanted to overtake ukrainian ones.
However, it turned out that world doesn't work like those crooks were thinking, so simple hostile takeover turned into first grade international debacle.
You're missing a crucial element: that stolen money is how all actual true political decisions Putin makes regarding laws, policies and such are done. So is how his foreign policy is made and how his ministers are appointed.
Imagine a country with a executive, judicial and legislative branch, with a foreign policy. Now imagine that every single policy and policy-related decision those branches do at every level has a price tag attached to it. Imagine that every person appointed or hired in those branches anywhere are appointed or hired solely based on bribery and favors, with the expectation that bribery and/or favors will be repaid with interests once that person is hired.
And that's just the beginning. Now imagine that the number 1 objective of the "legitimate business" of this state is mostly running and increasing or decreasing pensions, salaries, wages, taxes, economic funds, budgets, state-owned companies and various types of welfare and welfare-esque pograms for both public and private organizations, ranging from retirement funds for public employees to laws for state companies to finance for example, movies and TV.
So you get a government and state running on stolen money, using that money to expand and increase how much more money they can steal. The whole continent-sized country of Russia is just one massive heist, a gigantic robbery. It's the perfect racket.
This is why Putin isn't politically weaker than before 2022. What keeps him safe is everybody having their pockets full, and if they aren't, then they're allowed to steal to get those pockets full if necessary. It's mafia feudalism.
Everybody, legally or illegally, is on the take, or can be on the take, or is allowed to be on the take. It's a perfect system, you just have to be willing to play.
By extension hte madness and decay of Russia is entirely because of Putin. If Putin somehow was a reformer like the west had hoped, Russian society would be a lot more sane and better off. Putin and the Silovarchs opted for both a nationalist and hyper-corrupt mafia state at the same time. You pick one or the other bro! A mafia state can't actually fight or do anything serious.
Yeah, I laugh at wagners since they're the scum of the earth but wince when I see mobiks and others suffer.
This is how all wars are. They are stupid at a metaphysical level. You’re trading human lives for, assuming even the best case, land and resources that were already being made productive by the people you killed. You replace people you could trade with for people you have to pay — accomplishing nothing. War is vanity of the rulers and nothing more.
There's an element that's vanity and personality based, adn the other is genuine competition for resources and space. However, we learned from modern economics and trade that it's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires. Nowhere in "The Wealth of Nations" (basically how to grow your GDP 101) does he say invade your neighbors. Especially this is true post 1945. People who got the message prospered. Idiot dictators didn't get the memo and keep wanting to invade each other.
Its because to do that you need something of worth to trade. Guess what the states those shithead almost-always revolutionary dictatorships don't have? You ever notice how in general all they got is raw materials?
That's what I find so remarkable about South Korea and Taiwan. They started out as quasi-dictatorships, or at least countries whose people didn't have the ability to vote the leader out of office. Neither one of them is particularly rich in natural resources and at the time of independence, they lacked much industry. South Korea had a lower GNP than the North until the 1970s. Both had been colonies of the Japanese Empire until 1945, and had been monarchies before then. Neither had any democratic tradition to rely on. South Korea had been devastated by war and Taiwan's government was the last surviving vestige of China's tumultuous Warlord Era. Both have been locked into a Cold War with their immediate neighbors who would invade in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.
Fast forward a three generations and South Korea and Taiwan have the 12th and 21st highest GDPs in the world respectively. Both are power houses in high-tech manufacturing. Both are stable democracies in a region where that cannot be taken for granted. By all rights, they should be third-world nations, but they're not. They're proof that any country can prosper and what's more, they did it all themselves.
>Both are stable democracies
Isn’t South Korea run by a cult?
Shh.. we don't talk about inconvenient alternative truths around here
Hey! South Korea isn't run by a cult! Its government is merely heavily influenced by a cult. There is a world of difference!
>It's just better to trade with each other peacefully rather than trying to carve up empires
This is literally not the normal state of being, it's only held fractionally together by idealistic nations that know what it's like to lose a war, and how horrible even winning one is.
You're presuming the land and resources are being used effectively, which is not always the case. See most african countries. As far as "already people there", that's also dependent on the genetic stock of people. Ignoring the (very real) claims of better or worse genetics, it can be as simple as "I want more of mine" or "less of them".
>This is how all wars are.
That's how all wars of conquest are. Nations go to war for other reasons, some of them are rational, a rare few are even virtuous.
The way th is conflict works is that Russia is the tactical aggressor, but NATO is the strategic aggressor. NATO deliberatetly chose to encroach on Russias sphere of influence and facilitate regime changes in it's neighbouring countries. If Russia does nothing they lose in the long run which practically forced their hand into tactically invading Ukraine.
gay, the only thing at risk for russia in this situation was it losing influence over ukraine. Russia itself was not under threat and hasn't been since the end of the cold war. Nobody was ever going to attack them, don't pretend otherwise.
NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union. If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate to include them into they anti-russian coalition then yeah NATO is the fucking strategic aggressor. And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually retarded.
Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.
Vatmoron, the countries on your border do not belong to you, and if they are aligning away from you then it is probably because you are giving them a good reason to do it. Many NATO members were openly questioning the point of the alliance before you went full retard in ukraine.
>And to even pretend that NATO would never engage in (proxy) wars against Russia is actually retarded.
There would be no war at all if you hadn't started it in the first place
>Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable.
You are literally out of your mind.
Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state of it's sworn enemy and if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys and totally out of line.
I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.
>I'm not even pro-russia
Only brain-dead russia simps claim Euromaidan was some sort of "foreign coup".
>Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence
Nobody says they can't.
Yeah, they invade and die there. While we support Ukraine until they free their occupied parts and become a new NATO member.
>Ok so let me get this straight the explicitly anti-russian coalition called NATO is allowed to induce a regime change in a border state
You must've been really sad when tucker carlson got fired, huh. I would say that the fact you're parroting him word for word is really sad, but we both know you're not quite smart enough to think for yourself.
>if Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence then suddenly they are the bad guys
Starting a full scale war just to protect your "influence" is generally considered to be a pretty evil thing to do, yeah.
>I'm not even pro-russia
You're being far too obvious for this to be convincing, why bother?
Russia tried to keep playing the same old influence game for a decade or two and got completely and predictably BTFO every time:
NATO/EU offers you freedom and prosperity
Russia offers you slavery and corruption
It's a complete mystery (to only the Russians, it seems) why all the countries in their former sphere chose for the West
And now Russia has gone full chimpout and flipped the board and just tried to take the stake (Ukraine). And predictably they're getting BTFO yet again when it's a contest of pure power.
Also, if Russia wasn't a paranoid nationalist mafia state, they would only see this as benefitting them. They would see a nation on their border getting rich and propsering, which in turns they can become rich and prosperous.
>I'm not even pro-russia [but everything they've done is fully justified and I personally support it]
>Russia simply decides to cut the bullshit by invading back to protect it's sphere of influence [from--- 404 Error: NATO invasion of Ukraine not found]
>NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting [especially compared to Russian cum which is delicious and I love to guzzle it on a daily basis]
The unexamined life is not worth living, anon.
>I'm not even pro-russia, but such blatantly NATO cum guzzling is just disgusting.
You are the bad guys and yes it is that simple
>If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change of a Russian borderstate
They didn't. Ukrainians wanted to join the EU. Corrupt russian puppet yanukovych didn't. The Ukrainians rebelled against the russian dictator.
> Ukrainians wanted to join the EU
Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
Which yanukovich for a long time promised he would sign and even hyped it up somewhat, but when the time came he backpedaled hard because putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to.
>Lol, it was not about joining EU. It was about trade agreement with EU.
It was a first step.
>putin promised him billions of dollars of aid/loans if he declines to
I doubt it, since yanukovich is russian agent.
>Ukrainians wanted to join the EU.
The EU doesn't actually care what people want so whatever Ukrainians think is irrelevant either way and that is already asuming your opinion polls are legit which is highly questionable.
>1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
Because NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine.
>2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus
I'm not a moralfag. If someone wants to invade or subvert a foreign advesary that's fine by me. I just can't stand the hypocrisy of pretending this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault and NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing.
>3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
see pic
>muh Tucker
>muh evil
>muh shill
kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
>NATO was obviously trying to worm it's way into Ukraine
Or Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
>this conflict is one-sidedly russians fault
That's correct
>NATO is a good boy who didn't do nothing
That's incorrect. They help Ukraine to gain it's sovereignty back.
>see pic
Yeah, so? Every country have the right to join or leave NATO at any time.
Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
>>muh Tucker
>>muh evil
>>muh shill
>kys. You're not half as smart as you pretend to be.
I accept your concession, quisling gay.
Yes, all these countries asking to join NATO cant possibly be because theres another country of morons to the east that always seem to want to invade them. it HAS to be because of CIA glowies that use globohomo mind control devices
Morons whining about NATO expansion always try to bury WHY countries want to join the EU and NATO.
They don't want you to remember how those were all occupied and suffered under the USSR, and how Russia was already doing shit like Chechenya and supporting Serbian imperialists by the mid 90s.
Of fucking course any country with common sense wanted protection from them.
>Ireland isn't part of NATO
>Russians devise a superweapon to turn Ireland into a radioactive wasteland anyway
Hey, rusbro, yeah, you can invade other countries, but we also can help them defend themselves. Looking forward to see your ass kicked.
NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"? By denying Russia the ability to stomp the Baltic states flat again?
So... which one of those countries did NATO invade and install puppet regimes?
Can you point to a Warsaw Pact nation where russians didn't do that?
Face it brownie, russians are just subanimals that no one willingly lives beside. NATO helps keep the filth where it belongs.
And something else to consider.
Ukraine being raped by russia again will not make you rich, will not make women acknowledge you, it won't even make people in functional countries think more of you.
it's funny how they twist facts to fit their narrative
while it's true that the right pic shows the situation in 2022, it was also the exact same one in 2004
Why yes, you installing an alarm system in your home and joining a neighborhood watch is clearly an act of aggresion
>NATOs entire purpose has always been to oppose Russia and the Soviet Union
That's right, because small countries can't afford and don't want to have huge military to oppose russia. This is why they ask someone stronger to protect them.
>If NATO decides to go out of it's way and induce a regime change
Or a country decides to join NATO, because of russian aggression?
>NATO is the fucking strategic aggressor
And.
>Russia invading IN RESPONSE to NATO aggression is completetly reasonable
>invading
1. How exactly invading a non NATO country is a defense against NATO?
2. So that means NATO could invade Belarus, because it's an act of russian aggression to put anti-NATO regime there? If you play by the same rules.
3. Where is NATO aggression? I see russian invasion, not NATO's.
>countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
>this is somehow aggression
>this somehow infringes on Russia's rights... to conquer and pillage, I guess?
I often think about why the vatniks and ziggers use this line of thinking. My theory is that they have no concept of personal agency. They project their learned helplessness to other people and only think that the people in Eastern European countries that hate and despise the russmoron infestation are some kind of mindless flesh robots that are programmed by evil USA to hate muh poor Russia. They simply cannot comprehend that Ukrainians, the Balts, the Finns and the Poles would take the decision to jalign with the West out of their own volition. They do not understand that people have political power.
Personal agency and learned helplessness is also why you see 4chancels and other Western individuals fervently support Russia, associated anti-western strongmen and authoritarianism in general. That's why you see them talk about glowies, the deep state, illuminati back in the days, garden gnomes, NATO, EU etc. as some malignant, uncontrollable evil forces, they try to take back some form of individual control of their situation: "Heh, at least I'm not falling for these glowie tricks!" I've noticed that depression is often prevalent in these radical infospaces.
>countries join an alliance to protect their existence and their citizenry from a belligerent, unpredictable, revanchist shithole
In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
>You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically. I'm not a regular on PrepHole but i come here for wanting to see war and weapons not some limpwristed gay crying about how sending in tanks is crossing the line of diplomatic decency or whatever.
Actual pussy.
>Ukraine wanted to join NATO because of russian aggression towards other countries?
Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
>Does your rotten brain recognize the difference between an alliance and occupation?
Does yours? If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
>NATO is a purely defensive alliance, how exactly can it possibly be an "aggressor"?
Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
>Bruh. Real glowing hours around here.
Lol, subhuman moron has no answer, because he knows NATO is a defensive alliance which literally has no mechanism for calling members into an offensive war.
(And even if they did, and, say, Estonia called in America to stomp russia flat, it would be WELL DESERVED).
moron you're literally taking NATO propaganda at face value.
>they SAY they're a defensive alliance therefore they must be
Not worth responding to beyond shaming you for having a double digit IQ.
moron, name the exact NATO article that allows one member to call another into an offensive war. It's public information. Unlike your subhuman moron mafia state, western states operate by laws, what's written down.
kek, the rusnig ignored this one
too inconvenient that NATO literally has no legal mechanism by which to oblige its members to assist in an offensive war, I guess
I'll be honest with you, anon. NATO is ant anti-Russian alliance. And countries are joining voluntarily. Because they hate Russia.
>In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO. You don't need "protection" if you're neutral and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
Yes, let's just resign ourselves to our fate. This is the learned helplessness I talked about. You do not have the mental capacity to understand the fact that people are capable to make their lives and their nations better.
My entire point here isn't to cry about moralgayry or unjust aggression. I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping. If you have imperial ambitions or want to establish indepence then you can't turn around and fucking cry about a violent response from Russia. Just accept it like a man and win or a lose a war without bitching about being a victim ffs.
>I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping
The only hypocrisy exists in your elaborately constructed strawman argument of NATO expansion. You're a fucking retard.
>I just fucking hate the hypocrisy and NATO simping.
The mental gymnastics you;re going through to see Ukraine defending itself from an invader as bad somehow while also seeing NATO as the bad guys in this situation, somehow, would earn you a gold medal. Try out for the Olympics, anon, it really seems like gymnastics is your true calling..
I already said multiple times that i'm not a moralfag. It's beyond silly to call a state defending itself "bad." All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso for the existance of this conflict as Russia. They could have simply decided to fuck off from Ukraine and keep it a buffer state.
>All i'm saying is that NATO is as responsible if not moreso
You keep saying this laughably insane shit like it's perfectly reasonable and I'm really not sure why. Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
There's an insane belief among some vatniks that foreign governments were responsible for Ukraine's Maidan revolution. For whatever reason, they can't comprehend that it was a revolution in response to Russia's attempt to puppet Ukraine. From there, the conspiracy theory leads to the logical belief that these foreign governments then orchestrated everything leading to the war that Russia "had to" initiate.
Crazy how all these mental gymnastics eventually lead to Russia having done nothing wrong, right? But no this zigger is totally just neutral, lol
>I'd be emberassed to type this
>Actual pussy.
Great argument, moron.
>Lol. Which hypothetical countries are we even talking about here?
Check the list of countries that were invaded by russia in the last, like 20 years. Georgia for example.
>If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour
First of all, Ukraine wasn't joining NATO, that was said before the war - because was a corrupt shithole with a strong pro-russian movement at that time. You're incorrect. Again.
>and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
Says who? russia? You can disregard their retarded opinion.
But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
>But ok, what a bunch of small countries should do, if they don't have military to oppose russia? Die one by one? Elaborate.
That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care. My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
>It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
>it was also the exact same one in 2004
So what? The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
>but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
First of all whether Ukraine wanted to join NATO willingly is up for grabs. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but either way it doesn't impact political intrests of any side involved in this conflict. Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
>"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway
Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
>NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
>source: dude trust me
Lmao at your failed thread btw
Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition. If Russia feels threatened by that They are projecting. Actually they didn’t just project, they invaded.
>Hey vathigg, HATO is a defense coalition.
Are there actually subhumans that buy into this line? "Bro they call themselves the good guys...they must be the good guys" just kys
>Does it really seem like anyone is going to agree with you, zigger?
Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO cocksuckers. A shame. Hope they pay you for this.
>Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
Imperialism is based, so no. I don't fucking care that some whiny bitch complains about being conquered or defeated in a war. I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
>Nato expansion is the most retardrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
Ok so NATO expansion exists, NATO is characteristically anti-russian and that they couped the Ukrainian government in 2014 with the intention of Ukraine eventually joinging NATO, but somehow Russia just shouldn't care about this because reasons even though NATO never backtracked on anything.
>Well, i thought this board would be cooler instead it's just full of dedicated NATO cocksuckers.
Since you're admittedly lost and looking for a specific kind of cock to suck, I suggest you head over to
where you can find plenty of the Russian cocks you love so much.
>I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
moron if NATO was actually involved with this war it would've been over a long time ago.
Right, we're just gonna pretend like NATO fell into a coma for the past 30 years or something.
>Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fucking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions. Don't know how much more i can dumb it down for you. Probably still too high level for NATOshills to understand.
>And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you retarded?
I don't, actually. I'm saying that i fucking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong and have no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
Maybe if you played less map games your brain wouldn't be so smooth
Oh yeah i fucking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol". You are such a worthless, inbred, retarded mutt it's disgusting. You are so fucking lost in your own ass that you ACTUALLY think your neighbour joining a hostile alliance isn't aggressive behaiviour. Every 16 year old HOI4 player has a better understanding of geopolitical conflicts than you and i'm not joking.
>Oh yeah i fucking knew some inbred subhuman would throw out the "lol he used mapgames as an example so dumb lol".
Aww look, we hurt his delicate fee fees.
Dont be retarded and we won’t treat you like one
If people enter alliances around you for no reason, then it can signal that the alliances are directed toward you. If there's no discernable reason for an alliance to be directed toward you, then it can be perceived that the alliance has aggressive intentions toward you.
But when there's obvious fucking reasons why the alliance was created, because of YOUR own aggression, then that whole argument is thrown out the window.
When I play a strategy mapgame and I invade a bunch of countries, and then my neighbors enter into coalitions as a result, I realize my actions have consequences and don't see it as an aggressive action.
>NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted.
russia didn't meet the requirements to join NATO. Why would we let a country, that don't want to join NATO - join?
>The fact that they didn't means that
Russia didn't want to join NATO.
>When i play a multiplayer strategy mapgame and i see my fucking neighbouring rival joining an enemy alliance i think it's reasonable to assume they have hostile ambitions.
>NOOOOOOOO THEY SEEK COLLECTIVE SECURITY AGAINST MY CHIMPOUTS, HOW COULD THIS BE???? I AM OFFENDED, I AM THE VICTIM!
Maybe you ought to stop playing your multiplayer strategy mapgames like a chimping out moron, then.
>NATO could have decided to include russia into their coalition anytime they wanted. The fact that they didn't means that NATO expansion is a real threat to Russia.
More russian lies.
Russia never sincerely wanted to join NATO, because that would make them equal partners without imperial ambitions, and they would have needed to reform their weapons procurement, armed forces and cut corruption. All of which was against their ambitions and internal mafia state.
> i fucking hate the line of pretending like NATO is full of goofballs that never did anything wrong
The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia, like France and Germany did since the 90s up to the 2022 invasion. Their naive Ostpolitik appeasement was a mistake.
>no stake or responsbility for the existance of this conflict and it's all Russias fault.
literal wife beater logic.
>autistic HOI chud reveals itself
Go take a long look in the mirror.
Then have a nice day.
>Imperialism is based, so no.
Then what's your problem with NATO expansion? Isn't that soft power imperialism?
>NATO is characteristically anti-russian
OH GEE I FUCKING WONDER WHY
>I'm a nihilist liar than doesn't believe in anything but might makes right, so everybody must be the same and are lying too
The russian orc mindset in a nutshell. They can't understand people genuinely believing in something good and honest, no matter how self interested it is.
>Imperialism is based, so no.
And you say that NATO is imperialistic and bad. Are you retarded?
>I don't fucking care that some whiny bitch complains about being conquered or defeated in a war.
Then don't whine about russian collapse.
>I just want NATOshills to be honest about their involvement in this war.
NATO send weapons to Ukraine, nobody doubts that. What's your point?
>My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia and is tactically responding by invading Ukraine.
If you look at it from imperialistic russian standpoint - then yes. Evey country that borders russia must be coerced into submission. But that's considered bad.
Also, you didn't haven't cited my other answers. Does it mean that you understand that you're wrong?
>That's their problem to figure out i don't actually care
Yep, they figured out that they would join together instead of go under russia.
>My entire argument is that NATO is a strategic aggressor against Russia
Because they don't allow russia to invade NATO countries?
>tactically responding by invading Ukraine
Yep, but that's bad.
>NATO literally orchastrated a coup to make Ukraine their puppet state.
How many countries think this way?
>The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia
Police is antagonistic towards criminals, does it make policemen bad?
>Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate
Again, it's a bad thing.
And again - don't cry when they bomb you as an act of retaliation of intervention then.
>Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
It's not like they put their puppet and a shitload of turncoats in Ukraine in a second.
>Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
This vatmoron cannot be fucking serious
But does HATO have P-R-O-O-F-S?
>Is there any evidence that Russia expressed imperial ambition towards Ukraine prior to 2014?
You know nothing about russian history, lmao
> NATO is a strategic agressor against Russia
> NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia
> Ukraine joining NATO for whatever reason simply crosses Russians bottom line and if you decide to cross someones bottom line don't be suprised if they retaliate.
Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you and justifies a war of aggression against them. Flawless logic there lmao
>Sovereign neighbors joining an alliance against your aggression is aggression against you
Yes you fool. IT IS. You think sovereign neigbours joinging a hostile alliance ISN'T a fucking aggression against from said alliance??? Do you think these things through before you type them out you absolute gigamoron mutt?
Use your brain for a minute and think about it.
Why can't sovereign neighbours join a defensive alliance if they so choose? Why must they bow to Russia?
Yes, they're just so hostile to russia despite never having fought them in the entire 75 years of it's history. This vatnik is starting to come apart at the seams. Tell us more about how Russia has never had imperial ambitions towards ukraine, lmfao
If you arent trolling you are actually braindamaged.
Stop consuming russian propaganda, it rots your brain.
Abuser mentality.
>The point is to show NATO antagonistic intentions towards Russia. That is just as true today as it was in 2004 or 1990.
NATO as a defensive alliance was being seen as an useless dinosaur by the 2010s, and just a way to have common military standards between western countries.
Muh "NATO Expansion" is disingenous russian propaganda to justify Russia's imperialist ambitions.
Ukraine was already neutral, you fucking smoothbrain zigger. It was never going to be admitted to NATO with an active border dispute in the first place.
>admitting to being a tourist
>I'd be emberassed to type this out even ironically.
I'd be embarrassed to mistype the word embarrassed while writing out a comment visibly full of asspain and trying to use that as part of the insult.
>If you join a fucking "alliance" against your direct neighbour and then your neighbour decides to invade you tough luck you kinda asked for it.
Clown world logic.
>In the case of Ukraine i think they would have been fine if they just decided to be an indefinite buffer state between Russia and NATO.
Why is it fine for russia to force terrorist pro-russian regimes like in Belarus, but if a country wants to join NATO willingly it mush either stay neutral or be coerced by force to join russia? That's not the same rules.
>You don't need "protection" if you're neutral
Yeah, but you forgot that russia were pushing Ukraine towards russia and took away Ukraine's neutrality.
>and that is already giving you the extra mile of running with the NATO propaganda.
That's a funny thing to hear from someone citing russian propaganda word to word.
"NATO expansion" is a red herring and literal russian propaganda to justify crimes they where going to commit anyway, you disingenous shill.
This war was about reconquering the Russian Empire and stopping Ukraine from joining the EU, the real trouble for Putin's regime plans.
Ukraine in the EU would have undercut or made irrelevant the russian natgas supply to the EU that's the basis of Russia's political system, and the necessary political reforms neutered their political influence. A prosperous and less corrupt russian speaking Ukraine was a nightmare for the leaders of the russian mafia state.
>YOUR people want to join the eu and the west
>russia pressures you not do that by sanctioning you and threatens war
>you comply
>russia still invades you anyway lol
>you would never be able to join the west because of conflict with russia , obama literslly riterate the u.s position and that ukraine , georgia wouldnt be able to join like ever.
>randomly invades ukraine for no reason again despite the fact it knows ukraine would never ever be able to joinn the western block. The western media happily parroted russia state propaganda for the whole of 2014 to 2022.
>waahhhhh nato expansion
Nato expansion is the most retardrd excuse because it doesnt make sense on why russia invaded in 2022.
It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden. Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia? Because if you admit to that then you're picture loses all of it's luster since NATO could always just decide to fuck off and relax.
>The only thing NATO countries did wrong was lower their guard and try to be friends with Russia
Ok so you are on some next level NATOshilling. Actually crazy.
The writing was on the wall. NATO literally couped the previous government and you think they'll just go home for no reason after that? Don't be silly.
Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.
Why do you play your childish strategy games like a chimping out moron?
I knew the second i made that comparison you midwits would swarm at it like hyenas. I bet internally you think to yourself
>there is just no way that intuitive video game logic could blow my argument out the water that easily...things are so much more complex and this guy is just silly
When in reality you are just SO fucking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water. At this point you're just a combination of subhuman IQ + undeserved smugness.
>When in reality you are just SO fucking stupid that literal video game logic actually DOES blow your argument out the water.
kek, the retard doesn't know that the every grand strategy game's ezmode is peaceful coexistence, alliances and trade, it's just boring to play that way.
I don't suppose you've noticed that real countries don't act like bots in a subpar, overpriced wargame.
Maybe the reason you're being mauled by hyenas is because you're deliciously retarded
>knows it’s stupid to say
>does anyway
Yeah this is a humiliation fetish
entirely logical is it not ?
>Beyond that are you denying the objective reality that NATO is purposefully anti-Russia?
Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia? If so, then being anti-Russia is a good thing.
You, Boris, do not have the right to invade Latvia and enslave its population. And if you try you'll get a giant B21-shaped boot shoved so far up your ass you'll have an imprint of the Northrop Grumman logo pushing out of your forehead.
>Preventing Russia from engaging in wars of aggression is anti-Russia?
Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine. And no some interventions in pebblestates god knows where aren't sufficient proof for imminent Invasions of real countries.
>The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong gay lol
The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if.
>I guess the current invasion doesn't count
It doesn't because it's IN RESPONSE TO previous NATO aggression. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
>Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit?
Yeah. Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact. George Floyd summer, France every half a year, you name it. Protests are just for show 9 out of 10 times they don't mean shit. But even if i granted you that there was popular support for NATO from the Ukrainians this wouldn't actually impact the geopolitical interests of NATO or Russia in the slightests. Just look at all the times the EU didn't give a shit that their reforms were unpopular. Likewise no one cares about what Ukrainians "believe."
>Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine.
...said the rusmoron with his boot pressed firmly on Chechnya's neck.
And when are you pieces of shit going to give back Karelia to Finland?
Sorry i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me. I just googled Chechnya and this is what came up. You expect me, or any real country, to fucking care about that pebblestate? Russia can rape it 20 times over i'm still not gonna take them seriously enough to think they'll plan to invade Sweden next summer. Let's ground our expectations here.
>Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression"
Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow. That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis. Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland the same way they threaten to nuke the coastline of Britian.
Imagine thinking this will help Russia or change anyone’s mind
showing individual mutts how retarded they are is just a pleasant sunday distraction for me, I don't expect PrepHole golems to think, no
You just going to keep saying mutt?
yes, why not?
Nice to know The US lives Rent free in your head
nice to know the label bites enough for you to cope
You say as the entire thread triggers you? Or are you here by chance?
I don't chose what's in the catalog
keep projecting mutt
keep your delusions to yourself, this is a thread on PrepHole you total moron
last (You)'s, make them last
Get your story straight, your the shitposter, you want (you)s ya fucking amateur
Thanks for a morning's entertainment, gamer, I enjoyed laughing at you over my coffee.
>this is a thread on PrepHole you total moron
he said, desperately hoping no one will remember his utterly embarrassing autism tantrum
lmfao my guy you have been embarrassing yourself in front of a live studio audience for the last three hours
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow
As is Finland.
>Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
And they will whence Ukraine kick russian occupants out.
>Let's ground our expectations here.
>T-that doesn't count! Let's ignore that since I fucked up and said something stupid!
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
>Yeah i bet Russia is "threatening" Poland
I accept your concession
>450km is right at the doorstep? lmfao. Picrel, two seconds on google
Anyway, this shouldn't matter. Even if a country was 1 meter away from moscow.
So this is how they justify their wars, interesting
You didn't get me correctly. If a country was a meter away from moscow, it wouldn't be right to invade it.
Ah ok
true, I'm retarded
correct komrad*~~) the pravda of the matter is that russkiy mir is whole globe*~~) we will conquer it all*~~))
>russian moron doesn't live in the russia he's so proud of
You still haven't explained how a DEFENSIVE alliance whose only function is to protect small countries from Russian attack is "aggressive."
You really hate it when people bruise your ego. Christ you're one fucked up loser. You just can't let an internet argument go.
I am simply asking you to have a nice day.
Russia has shown time and time again that it is not a country that can be trusted. They lie constantly, have propangandist say that they will march up to Berlin and Warsaw, and retards talking about destroying England with a nuclear tsunami. It is not a normal nation, which you can discuss and operate with. It is an abusive state. A regional power thinking they are still on top of the world. They fucked around, now they find out.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
You fucking baboon, you typing apes, Burgers can drop a Minuteman in Moscow in less than 30 minutes. They don't really care about getting a "foothold" in Ukraine for your fantasmed HATO invasion of Russia. Nobody wants to invade this shithole. If we wanted you gone, you'd be vaporized into shit particles by a W84 faster than you can type "HATO expansion" with your cum covered hands.
>i live in west europe and none of those words mean anything to me
Bullshit, you're a tankie or a diapora snow moron.
>Ukraine is right at the doorstep to moscow.
So what? So are the baltic countries, and Ukraine wasn't going to be allowed in NATO, nor it wanted to join. It's all a lie,
>That's like the equivalency of the cuban missile crysis
any modern nuclear missile system doesn't give a fuck about the difference in distance, nevermind that Cuba became irrelevant since nuclear submarines.
>Who knows what kind of hardware NATO could ship there with the ability to fuck up Russia in under 15minutes.
NATO countries were selling Russia military hardware up to 2022, you disingenous cunt. The only thing NATO and the EU wanted up to 2014 was to sell Russia more stuff.
If there are no benefits to Ukraine joining NATO then why coup their government in the first place? Since we know that NATO does in fact do those things it stands to reason they see at least SOME benefit for themselves by encroach on Russia
Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing. It's not like global warming demos or vaccine demos are totally organic either. Propaganda works.
That's a threat in relation to NATO, not Ukraine in itself. Try again retard.
>Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
You morons are so dumb. Literally how can you guys fall for this argument 5 times in one thread. Do you have any fucking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
>muh coup
Fuck off the Russian puppet would have kept his his station if he didn’t flee to Daddy Putin when he got nervous
>Propaganda works.
Correct. You're a prime example of a propagandized retard who has attached both his ego and worldview to the erroneous reality fed to him.
My guy, Ukraine did not magically appear in the world already part of Russia. Russia conquered Ukraine multiple times throughout history. Picrel is just one example, this is the exact lack of understanding of russian history that people have been mocking you over.
> Do you have any fucking proof or reason to assume NATO ACTS as a defensive alliance???
The fact that nations voluntarily join because they are afraid of Russia
You fucking goon. NATO was starting to break apart because no one thought it was needed. Then Monke chimped out and now it’s stronger than ever
There was no NATO coup or encroaching, it's a russian lie, made up to justify conquering Crimea and subverting the Donbass. No main NATO country cared for NATO anymore before 2014.
Maidan and the rest wasn't about NATO, it was about the EU. Both aren't the same at all, and the second is what Putin's Russia really feared.
Finally you show your true face, pedo
>no mercy to traitors.
Russia is the country of thugs and traitors that betrayed the EU's sincere Ostpolitik, KYS
>Simple answer: mass media and behind the scenes organizing
Okay, so now explain how this "simple answer" works.
Do they bribe every single newscaster in the country? Who are they "organizing" with? How does no money get tracked to any of these people when people constantly pull tax forms and income on news stations and governmental agencies for shits and giggles? How do they push the exact same story to every single news agency and expect them to read out the same dialogue verbatim outside of a press release which immediately ties said press release to a company?
You ever think that maybe, just maybe, these are natural issues we should think about that are promoted by people within their fields and not a government psyop to get people to sit at home all day not doing any work while using less resources which the rich themselves also have to follow? What do individual governments gain from following "Global Warming precautions" in your fantasy world when it requires hundreds of billions if not trillions of expenditures that shut the countries down for weeks arguing about budget that also keeps tens of thousands of workers furloughed? All so random solar panel and wind turbine owners can gain money? Things we already import from China?
No it’s obvious all the garden gnomes, every problem is garden gnomes, they do everything
There's also the fact that when glowies DO want to force a regime change, they just pick a prefered side in an 'intervention' like in Libya and Yugoslavia. Much easier than trying to do some propaganda masterpiece.
If western glowies were half as good as retarded tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s instead of those rumours about Clinton helping Russia kill Dudayev.
And speaking of Clinton, he was forced to allow NATO expansion in the 90s when countries like Poland blackmailed him by supporting and financing the Republican party, lol. Vatniks and tankies are brainwashed morons that don't know anything about history:
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,986677,00.html
Just like with Israel or Cuba before, a lot of the US foreign policy about Eastern Europe was the result of diaspora lobbying groups from those countries, in this case the Polish American Congress
>If western glowies were half as good as retarded tankies and vatniks believe, Russia would have been quartered already in the 90s
This, a thousand times this. If HATO glowies were such master plotters, Pocciya would've been split between Ruslandia (Muscovy, St. Pidorsburg, and dependencies), the Trans (kek) Siberian Republic, the Kavkaz Emirate, and the Chinese Protectorate of Kamchatka.
Wish france sold mistrals to their master.
It'd be so fucking kino to see it fisted by 4 neptunes
Fuck you I live in Baltimore and that shit was real
>The russians threaten to unironically invade Sweden?? As if.
>implying
Can't help but notice you left out poland, there. Isn't that interesting?
>If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case
This is what happens when you get all your history information from boomer news television
If the west has this much control how could you ever hope to win? This is a humiliation fetishist
>No True Scotsman for invasions
Cool, hadn't seen that one before
Answer quicker fuck face
>Mass media engineers fake protests all the time and that is simply a fact
>France every half a year,
>let me tell you about your country
ta gueule pédé
>. If Russia was trying to gun for Ukraine prior to 2014 you'd have a case, but that didn't happen so you don't.
UwU what's this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/12/russia.ukraine
Ok so you have an article saying that Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO in 2008? Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!
>Yeah wow buddy you really got me there!
Yes I did, thanks! It's a bit of an inconvient article for you, isn't it?
>Except there basically are no wars of aggression from russias side prior to Ukraine
Georgia?
>It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
What about Ukraine?
>Georgia?
Real countries only.
>What about Ukraine?
The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't. Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO so if NATO simply decided to fuck off and do nothing none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.
>As is Finland.
Yeah that's a decent point, but the history of Finland and Russia is a bit different compared to Ukraine in Russia so it's not 1:1.
>I accept your concession
There is no concession unless you think there is a credible threat of Russia invading Poland. Beyond absurd.
Hey inbred just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys." I said this 3 times already and there are still subhumans that make this argument. Even 85 IQ morons would think you're retarded.
Funny how the narrative ITT is that NATO is too above it all to care about invading Russia, but Russia is on it's way to annex Poland, Sweden, the Baltics and basically the entirety of eastern Europe. Definetly consistent with reality.
>is a bit different compared
Ok too meta man
>did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO?
Yes they did lmfao
Russia threatens anyone who doesn’t want to be Russified
and US threatens anyone who doesn't want to be moronified, perfect match
>he hasn’t seen the new VDV recruits
does not make US any less of a moron worshiping nation
I love how you fuck will admit to anything just to say moron, it’s like 2007 on /b/
>he thinks he talks to someone who cares what is 'admitted' about Russia
mutt, your masters spread gayry all over the planet, you have enemies everywhere, including Europe
stop inhaling your own farts
Is all you can think of are garden gnomes and gays?
Putin is gnomish, the oligarchs are gnomish, Russia has trans clinics, the Russian army has homosexual behavior based in
>please don't talk about the garden gnomes, we amerimutts are a glorious nation
>muh russians
I don't even like the word, but this is pure cope
that's what most of PrepHole is here for really - yes, there's something rotten about my country, but facing that is harder than coping though failures of others
What’s it like putting everything you are into a dying nation?
you're going to have to be more coherent than that
sorry, I know I'm asking much
Anon what do you even get out of this? Do you actually think, fuck I don’t even know at this point, that saying moron and mutt on PrepHole does anything?
I'm getting some pleasure of out it, it is pleasant to correct someone unjustifiably self assured
and what harm is there in calling mutts mutts, and saying they worship morons? I really do think that, and slurs are intentional
Christ self reflection has become a rare thing
Darkly hinting is not an argument
There is no argument, just you screaming slurs as he watch bemused
>There is no argument
Indeed, I suppose I should not have expected one
Fucking retard
What happened to being done with replying, zigger?
You think cum/chug/ers have self control?
Please be understanding. He’s lonely and this is the most efficient way to get attention
>unjustifiably self assured
yea about that..
you forgot the "to correct" part, not by accident too
ESL moment
here we go, the last redoubt of a mutt
>muh language
if you did not understand something, just ask for an explanation
Fucking retard yes I’m a bot beep
He's still replying lmfao wow
so are you, so why mention it
I was waiting for something of substance from that guy, a mistake
Esl moment
>so are you, so why mention it
Because you claimed to be done with replying in the post you deleted lmfao everything you posted in this thread reeks of a russian with a bruised ego
>muh russians
mutt, I don't know what posts you're talking about, I'm the person reminding mutts they serve something monstrous
>muh replies
to the mutts that devolved into complete retardation, I will continue replying in the thread if it pleases me
Cum /chug/er
Whore
well at least you had enough imagination not to hind behind muh vatniks
As in whore for Russia you fucking piece of shit, go jack off to children on 4chan
no russian ever called me a bigot, mutt
Too busy shitting up Europe and sucking gnomish cock
sorry, I lost the plot, we're talking about the mutt empire now?
Fucking retard this is why the ideological enemies of the west always loose, all you can do is deflect and deny reality, you always fuck yourselves over with extremism and denial
>of the west
the west has died in 1914-1918, there is no ideology outside of what suits the capital and is possible with changes in technology
>deny, deflect
I just want mutt tentacles far from Europe, and Russia our gas station
>he's still going
lmao
and you still have nothing in response
MUH DICK how’s that for a response?!?!?
I’m impressed you managed to one up your own stupid statement
I'd be impressed if you managed to make a point
MUH DICK
>no russian ever called me a bigot
>He conveniently forgets "And you are lynching Black folks"
I'm not a mutt, obviously
YOUR BROWN
>Someone online called me bad, so I will side with mass murdering troglodytes to dab on twitter badge holders
those badge holders represent the tentacles of amerimutt "culture" and influence
>I will side with
mutt, I know it's tough, but try to understand, you don't need to side with russian empire to hate your masters
Scizo babble at its finest
>there is no influence
>there is no culture
well here we agree
>there is no elite class ruling over mutt plebs
hecking "scizos" am I right
>YOOOOOU HAVE OVERLORDS WHO CONTROL EVERYTHING BUUUUT I DONT!!!
Lol
we all have overlords, your are more malicious than others, and mine are more homegrown, for what it's worth
>mine are more homegrown
Jesus Christ you can’t make this shut up, the shit you fucks say, I hope this is just trolling by this point
>I can't hecking believe what is being said
ok, and?
I genuinely hope you aren’t as hair brained and blind to your own hypocrisy anon, I seriously do, no one deserves to be as ignorant as you act.
spell it out for me, do your good deed of the day
Nah in reality I hope you suffocate on your own bile, have fun being king of shit mountain you fag, have a rotten day
Now that's pathetic, you had some point in mind, all you had to do was curtly explain
Go on anon say the line
Yes I AM a member of the CIA, and YES I will be looking into you later today
>lol no you’re not
So you’re lying then about everything?
Muh ego
ah the know it all blind spot
claim what you want about what I wrote, but at the very least I am direct
you're not even coherent
Esl moment
Yes NATO don't want to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance.
Russia on the other hands has repeatedly made threats on all its neighbors, and other countries that don't obey their temper tantrums. Those threats come from their internal propanganda along with official statements. This is not a normal attitude to have with their neighbor. Normal countries don't regularly threaten their neighbors with invasion and nuclear holocaust. But now, finally, Russia put their foot down and actually did the funny by acting upon their threats and now you see its citizen getting blown up in the middle of blowing each other.
But again, you should sincerely have a nice day.
>Real countries only.
>did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't
Yes they did, you liar. And Ukraine NEVER eased up to NATO.
>Putins bottom line was always that he does not want Ukraine to join NATO
Another red herring and a lie while he was buying NATO military hardware (like tank thermal sights and many more )
>none of this Ukraine war stuff would have had to happen.
Another lie. Russia was always going to try to annex or invade Ukraine, because it along Belarus are the core of their imperialistic ideology.
> just because NATO calls itself "the good guys" doesn't mean they actually are "the good guys."
But we they are "good guys", and have proven so at every turn. Specially when they bombed Serbia to stop the decade of genocides and war in the Balkans that they started.
I wish NATO would invade russia just to shut your whore vatmoron mouth
>Real countries only.
That's a real country.
>The question to ask is: did Russia threaten Ukraine prior to Ukraine easing up to NATO? No, they didn't.
Yes they did, when they started to poison opposed to russia politicians.
>why coup their government in the first place
russia alone says it was coup. Why do you cite russian agenda? Especially since we all know they always lie.
>pro-russian shill is also an anti-EU shill
pottery
What the fuck Greece?
They didnt like austerity measures and wanted to recieve money without those.
MUH DEBT
>Mass media engineers fake protests all the time
Okay, walk me through your thought process here.
So a glowie walks out into the open with his group of 50 hippie glowies who are all on an indefinite payroll to start ranting about something. Then what? They just sit there "protesting" until more people join them? For how long? How can they even guarantee this "fake protest" takes off? How can they also guarantee this "protest" even goes past their own plants? How can they continue gaining funding for what is basically standing around shouting? How can they guarantee it working for days, weeks, if not months just so they get some people to care? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on signs and petitioning certain people at news stations? How does no one catch onto that operation when people look at the CIA's books or a FOIA gets asked about their dealings?
You realize that people need some sort of cause to rally around, right? Something that the general pleb out in the real world can understand is morally bad and can join in fighting back. What do they even gain from protests against their own government and the people who pay their salaries in your French example? Kicking out the current PM?
Some mass protest being spurred on by glowies is only realistic if it takes months to do with tons of monetary investment so that their actual idea lays roots, but at that point they can't even guarantee people will follow the original idea. Wallstreet is a good example of a shitshow that immediately collapsed as soon as Ketchup and that other pansexual or whatever guy started talking about their "terms". Look at how the "No Work" subreddit collapsed because of a single interview.
>It's beyond silly to pretend that 21st century Russia is a geopolitical threat to Poland or Sweden
The Russians openly threaten both those countries on a regular basis you objectively wrong gay lol
>Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.
I guess the current invasion doesn't count as aggression when your head exists in clown world, lmfao
>Russian aggression is a pitiful shadow of it's former self. Georgia? The Balkans? I don't even know what else. "NATO defense" is laughibly overblown.
>Russian aggression doesn't work as well these days
>The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO, /ˈneJtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord, OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 31 member states – 29 European and two North American. Established in the aftermath of World War II, the organization implemented the North Atlantic Treaty, signed in Washington, D.C., on 4 April 1949.
>NATO defense is laughibly overblown
>you're not allowed to keep your sovereignty because... the countries Russia invaded were small
lyl
>NATO coup!!!!
This is such an asinine lie. Do you really believe that those hundreds of thousands of people in 2014 rioting for weeks on end were not doing so of their own volition or some shit? How the fuck does that work? The president at the time had literally been caught red handed rigging a previous election and he was an ex-con that ran a street gang in the USSR.
>NATO literally couped the previous government
the "coup" was literally the popular revolution sparked by yanukovych reneging on the eu treaty
even the fragment of nuland's phone conversation vattniks love to parrot hasn't a word about organizing a revolution or overthrowing yanukovych, it's about getting un diplomats involved and reaching out to yanukovych on how they'd prefer the prime minister's position that yanukovych was going to give to either yatseniuk or klitschko, to be given to yatseniuk who was the more experienced politician
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
>yatseniuk or klitschko
and these were both pro-protest, pro-eu guys already
moron, NATO countries like Germany, Italy and France were selling weapons technology to Russia until 2014 and some even continued until 2022.
Russia had zero real reasons to fear any "agression", the invasion/annexation of Ukraine was going to happen anyway. Everything else is just russian propaganda pretending that the Cold War was still a thing.
Grisha, pls go and stay go
>Every one of the people in picrel is on the CIA's payroll.
>Wait, why are you guys laughing?
>If Russia does nothing
You don't get it at all. Your options aren't limited to
>let NATO expand
and
>invade a country
Surely you must have noticed what a big difference there is between NATO expansion and Russia's expansion. You'd notice that when Russia "defends itself from NATO aggression" they do so with tanks, while when NATO "attacks Russia" it does so by shaking hands.
It turns out that besides doing nothing and invading, there's a third, more civilized option! Imagine that! Interactions with your neighbours can involve things other than violence. Crazy stuff, I know.
What I'm trying to say is that while the EU provides economic growth and stability, and NATO provides military protection, Russia offers absolutely nothing of value to any of its neighbours.
Had Russia provided something of value to Ukraine, it would have been very easy for the Ukrainians to justify cozying up to Russia. They speak the same language, they share culture and history and a big ass border. But Russia provides nothing other than increased rates of HIV and poverty, so logically, its neighbours slowly drifted away and cozied up to the west instead.
Countries doing some math and figuring out that improving relations with the west is better than improving relations with Russia isn't aggression. Countries looking at what happened to Georgia and deciding that they don't want any of that isn't aggression either.
>on Russias sphere of influence
Kek, Russia is not entitled a sphere of influence, this is not food stamps, they have to put in the work so the other countries gravitate towards them.
Shut the fuck up vatnik
PrepHole feels like one of the only sane places left on PrepHole. So many other boards I get drawn into schizo rantings about conspiracies to take down the white race.
100% agree, I've been homeless on PrepHole for a long time now until I found this board. Good number of sane people still able to drown out the shills and schizos
Birthrate and immigration is still a reasonable concern anon, outside of the schizo takes. It's just haram to bring it up when discussing guns.
At 2:17:20 the 2 drones almost crashed into each other, it'd be fun if he watched the 2 drones he was communicating with collide and crash. Very embarrassing for piggers.
I can't stop seeing Rebel Alliance Trooper in Endor style Woodland camo and gear with that thumbnail.
This russian shill created his own thread about "MUH NATO BAD":
guys his NATO thread was nuked so he's back to posting here
This is why you shouldn't play paradox games, kids
ukraine wasn't even joining nato, the revolution of dignity was sparked because yanukovych cucked out to pressure from russia on signing an eu co-operation agreement that had already passed parliament
it's a certainty they'll join nato now once the war is over though
Yeah, they suffered enough.
You're posting in a Dennis thread
how long until he start spamming gay porn to own NATO
Nah threads about to hit bump he’ll be gone in a minute
>he says blatantly declaring he’s from 4chan to shit up the place
Are you even capable of self reflection anymore?
Byebye /chug/ ziggergay, you're more than welcome to come around whenever you're ready to get humiliated again.
>The Bear will show no mercy to traitors.
fucking cringe lmfao
>deleting his post before archive
Oh man what is it with you freaks and trying to save face on an ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD
What is it about people named Ruslan that makes them so based?
I like this. It gives hope to the other mobiks that they have a chance if they just surrender
I'm waiting for him to complain about a
>le epic troll b8'ed lmao gottem
annnny second now...
Oh god you just know he’s either taking screen shots or posting links here on 4chan, christ
ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.
To recap: Ukies have interviewed the russian soldier that surrendered to them around Bahkmut. He was a mobik left behind to die in a trench filled with corpses along his comrades by Wagner mercenaries. His hopeless buddies commited suicide but since he was not wounded, he sucessfully tried surrendered.
>ITT: another case of a zigger spamming nonsense to bury a thread that makes russia look weak and pathetic.
He kept replying even after hitting 300, i think this retard genuinely believes the bullshit he's spouting