Why not just make muzzleloaders that are a sphere covered with barrels around a central "chamber" for powder and fuze?
Instead of exploding and being a bomb, the spherical muzzleloader goes off shooting bullets in all directions.
This would be completely legal and although not an explosive, would still be able to act just like a grenade.
Civilian legal "grenade"
And again out of steel not aluminum and made differently, these are just visual aids.
Sounds like it would weigh 7 tons
No, just a good regular sized one would have a good 4" of barrel in all directions and with 36 cal balls and 777 powder it would be lethal as frick
Might build one anyway, I got 3k to burn on a project
>it would be lethal as frick
I would just move to the side that already fired off
It'd be a neat project for the hell of it. It just has no practical or commercially viable application.
Making it out of pipe shotguns instead of muzzleloaders could make loading much faster. Pipe threads off, shell goes in, threads back on. If you use interrupted threads to only need a half turn to remove each barrel I bet it'd be a lot faster than muzzleloading powder and projectiles. And you get 8-12 pellets of buckshot out of each hole for even more pseudoshrapnel.
>carry
Maybe if you're Shaq huge.
Do not built it you autistic c**t. That sounds unsafe as frick and it's going to shoot bullets into the air. You're going to get yourself or someone else killed.
I'm gonna because it's legal and because it will only be 36 caliber lead balls
point to point with a 4 inch barrel at each end and maybe a 1/2 inch center for a flash hole to light all the barrels? you've created the world's most moronic medicine ball, even hollowing out the space in between all of the barrels on this 8 1/2 inch STEEL ball you're looking at a weight of at least 20 to 30 pounds, how in frick's name are you going to use that beyond rolling it like a looney tunes character or feebly shotputting it over a wall ?
goddamn, I love dumb meme shit but even my dumb ass knows this is a waste of time
A steel ball with a 4" radius is over 73 pounds. How far can you throw 73 pounds?
>But I'm drilling holes
And then putting lead in those holes, which is not too far off twice the density of the steel.
By all means make the medieval metal storm, I think it's a fun idea but not practical.
For contrast: picrel is 4.5 in. in DIAMETER, and weighs 16 lbs, and the world record for that is only 23m. M67s are often thrown about as far but they only weigh 14oz.
Ungodly expensive.
Incredibly heavy.
Would take hours to load.
Safely setting it off would be an ordeal.
Almost nobody wants to send out gunfire in every direction all at once unless using it for something where building a bomb is the least illegal part of the process.
A single grenade would be cheaper and get the job done better. Plus it fits more snugly up my butt
I know, but I can legally carry what I'm describing no tax stamp
>implying you could be able to carry the bullshit you're describing
How the frick would you set it off from a safe distance while also having the intended target just sit still and wait for you?
>intended target
If he had a target to use a not-a-grenade on he could just build a pipe bomb because if he's using this thing as a weapon then the legality of the device itself is the least of his worries.
He doesn't wanna build a much easier to handle pipebomb. He wants to overcomplicated pea shooter
Which would only make sense if you just want to frick around and never have a "target" to worry about hitting
pfffff, I mean you could maybe make a thing in .22 short that might work, but it'd much much heavier than a grenade, and much much more expensive for less effect. Most people that think they *need* a grenade are in some shit though and would just build a pipebomb instead. If it's just for recreation I mean maybe, people buy machine guns as very expensive and dangerous toys so who knows?
Op here, it's just a chaotic toy I want to build
Here's what I came up with. Spherical just adds unnecessary challenges just to send projectiles up and down where you don't want them anyway. Cylinders are where it's at. 1 3/4" minishells enable short barrels for a nice compact Alexa of death.
Based lol
Literally just a toy you miserable person.
Also if you built this as a claymore instead of firing in every direction it would be easier to build, easier to load, much safer to use and maybe even vaguely practical as a trap.
"Claymore" version illustrated
I imagine this could also use full length shells without getting too bulky because it doesn't have two back to back. So could use cheaper and more available ammunition with more pellets.
Frick, I actually want to build this now.
I like that idea, I think I'm going to try and build the shotgun claymore just to see how far it goes flying when shot
>load with .38 special rat shot
>wall of lead
>low range
>not as much collateral
>instead of making a disposable weapon cheap, light and effective let's make it stupidly expensive, heavy and worthless
Consider suicide, Black person.
this mfer living in looney tunes land
It would just be an extremely chaotic, and dangerous indescriminate toy. Which is what I want.
For all that effort you can just make an IED
what even are the laws against this stuff what's stopping you from filling a ball with gunpowder and shit? this is pretty important because it's supposed to be legal but making it closer to a bomb would make it more effective
anyways I guess the best way to start would be machining a polyhedron, there'd be a lot of geometry to optimize barrel density, then drilling shallow holes to seat and weld barrels in to, as well as thin touchholes that lead to a cavity produced by drilling out one corner with a moderate sized bit to where the touchholes meet, you load the barrels with powder and shot then fill the moderately sized hole with gunpowder then cork/tape it with a fuze running into it resulting shape would be picrel to save weight but still weigh a ton but only way to make it lighter I guess would be to used capped off barrels and make the housing out of plastic
Aside from being dumb, it might even be classified as a machine gun since all the barrels are being fired by a single triggering action.
It's fine if it's blackpowder and muzzleloading, that's just a volley gun, it's not a "firearm" legally
Volley fire is specifically exempted. Even with cartridge guns. It's why shit like picrel (the triggers ARE linked even if they don't look it from the pic) and the Thunderstruck 22 are legal.
They got special exemptions, but I doubt that a device that is clearly intended to act as a grenade while not technically being one would get the same treatment. Also, all existing volley guns (even the duck foot styles) have the projectiles firing in the same general direction.
Still a muzzleloader.
Deal with it. If their is no shrapnel it's not a bomb, just a horrible evil toy muzzleloader
Nothing ruptures. It's not a bomb.
I didn't say it was a bomb. I said that I doubt the ATF would agree that it falls under the classification of "volley gun" and would classify it as a machine gun. It could also be classed as a destructive device or AOW.
Unlike the pistol brace, it has no nominal purpose other than to be a grenade without being a grenade.
>doubt the ATF would agree that it falls under the classification of "volley gun"
The volley gun definition applies without exception to anything firing from multiple barrels simultaneously.
>DD
Would need to have a bore over 50cal. A 12ga one could, a 20ga or 36cal one couldn't.
>AOW
Only feasible way is if it were ruled as disguised, which is easy to get around by adding blatantly obvious gun features.
Lol now I want to give it a handle, trijicon sights and a caplock mechanism so it's explicitly a gun, and only have the pattern avoid these parts.
Lol
It's a blanket exemption for ALL volley guns. They'd probably declare it a destructive device if you tried to sell them (and could because of the >50cal bore)
Q16 here clarifies that the volley fire exemption DOES apply to home builds, as long as the shots are fired simultaneously and not at varying stages of trigger pull. https://downloads.regulations.gov/ATF-2018-0001-11860/attachment_3.pdf
It would still be classed as a bomb because it's an explosive device that is not a rifle, pistol or shotgun.
Lies, it's a muzzleloader
Suck my dick
It doesn't have to rupture or produce shrapnel to be a bomb, moron, only that it explodes no matter how small the charge is. It's not a firearm because you don't fricking hold it to operate it. Therefore it's a bomb.
A gun on a string is still a firearm, so is this device on a string.
A remote control gun is still feasibly a gun if you remove the remote control, but this device is not, so it's blatantly an explosive device, as there's no way for you to hold it and shoot it safely.
Ditto
>Stop me
Lol I won't bother
I'm not a cop
It's a cannon.
A black powder muzzleloading cannon literally not covered under the nfa.
NO volley gun is EVER covered under the NFA. Blackpowder and muzzleloading aren't even relevant because it's already exempt even if every single barrel was a semiautomatic AR.
>cannon
Which is a firearm
This is a multi barrel recoileas black powder cannon that shoots both ways 32 times.
It's a cannon, and so is the sphere.
You have a point.
I defer to any other lawyer who can come round and clarify this lol
If I made it with modern ammo yes, It would be illegal.
But with antique action like a mere fuze or even a percussion cap?
An antique design.
Might put it on wheels that get destroyed with every shot for shits and giggles.
IT IS NOT ILLEGAL WITH MODERN AMMO.
ALL volley guns are exempt from the machinegun designation. The ATF specifically says volley fire is unilaterally fine even if made with modern cartridge firearms, even repeating ones, as long as each trigger press only starts one volley. There is no further limitation on barrel direction.
That's not why it's illegal with modern ammo, it's illegal because pengun/disguised firearms laws.
It would be an nfa item of it uses modern ammo.
Unless you put a handle on it, and had the bullets aim away from you, then it would be legal again.
It doesn't matter if the bullets go in every direction. That is in no way relevant. But you're right it DOES have to look like a gun to not be an AOW. So stick an AR stock and grip on one side. It'd kill you to actually USE it that way, but it's clearly a gun so isn't disguised.
You are correct lol
It's totally legal to build a gun that kills the user lololol
It's black powder, and explicitly a muzzleloader/creative suicide method
Not like ide sell or use it beyond initial tests and YouTube footage
It'd be a liability nightmare to sell, but manufacturing wise it's no more illegal to make a gun that fires backward into your chest than one that fires forward away from you.
Again for personal use only and YouTube vids.
Lol I'm gonna go check the dump for any solid ballbearings to start drilling lololol
Pick up some hydraulic cylinders for regular cannons while I'm at it
good idea actually put a buffer tube on it and use as a stick grenade
Also cannons are not firearms legally, they are just guns.
I'm still gonna make it, and when you take me to court I'm gonna sue you in your capacity as an individual agent.
I have money and a good lawyer.
I'm still gonna build it.
Stop me.
It's a muzzleloading gun, period.
>It doesn't matter that it's on wheels, you cannon is a bomb because you don't hold it
It's a muzzleloading cannon.
>It doesn't have to rupture or produce shrapnel to be a bomb, moron, only that it explodes no matter how small the charge is. It's not a firearm because you don't fricking hold it to operate it. Therefore it's a bomb.
Something similar is used in airsoft "grenade launchers", which function more like shotguns. It's filled with gas, and several BBs are loaded into each hole, and when fired, it sprays out BBS.
I suppose you could make a circular one with metal BBS and use explosives as propellant.
Forgot the fricking picture.
Someone beat you to it with .22’s
Jesus Christ this thing not only shoots projectiles In a dangerous manner, but would become a projectile as well from kicking off the ground.
Bravo /k/
>get a strong pyrotechnic cracker or several
>put it in a plastic bag
>pour in peas for airsoft or any harmful substance if you are a psycho
>tape it together so the cracker is in the middle
>you have a frag granade
Instead of "X," why not do some really dumb shit?
Sounds a lot like a mixture of duck gun and pepperbox.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pepperbox+gun&client=ms-android-verizon&bih=617&biw=360&hl=en&sxsrf=ALiCzsYBc9Fm0jLEr44CDWAbXvl-zu3erw%3A1661014977082&ei=wRMBY93ABNKzkvQPnM6HmA0&oq=pepperbo&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIFCAAQkQIyCAgAEIAEELEDMggIABCABBCxAzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgsILhCABBDHARCvATIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEOgcIABBHELADOgQIIxAnOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwI6BwgjEOoCECc6DQguEMcBENEDEOoCECc6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToECAAQQzoQCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QMQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDENQCEEM6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOggIABCABBDJA0oECEEYAFDMDljuNmCCP2gCcAF4AoABrAKIAeEYkgEIMy4yMi4wLjGYAQCgAQGwAQ_IAQjAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/ducksfoot.html