I'm scared guys. I think that drone warfare now is like when they started to see the first archaic planes in WW1. I wonder how vehicles, equipment and infantry will survive the incoming suicide drone AI controlled swarms. Right now everything is manually controlled but bet your ass that China and US are already working on it. Probably some kind of ATACMS filled with dozens of little explosive autonomous drones that will fly not only around the sky looking for an objective, but also INSIDE trenches and buildings using their heat seekers to hunt humans hiding inside.
>but anon, thats why first world armies use anti drone and pulse/microwave counter measures
Of course. But can you cover an entire front with them? are you sure that drones won't always be one step ahead? Don't you disable your own drones too?
This video could be an example of what will we see in the future. its pure PTSD
And remember than this little explosive drones are cheaper than the average artillery shell, and countries make millions of them... The future looks grim for infantry. What do you think /k/? Am I overthinking this?
idf is shooting down dozens of bomb drones daily theyre not having much impact beyond like a handful of attacks they even got rifles that lock on drones
>Am I overthinking this?
You're not necessarily overthinking it, but you are assuming that EWAR isn't a massive priority for any nation planning on relying upon its conventional military going forward. If countermeasures remained in their inadequate current state, then yes, it might be over for infantry and armor (although probably not). That's obviously not the case. Drones are a new technology and have the advantage in that they've found a hole in military capabilities. That doesn't imply that the advantage will remain forever.
A canadian company developped a jamming gun, already in use by the frogs. Anything remote controlled is really easy to defeat.
Compact jamming guns have been used even in Syria. They are mostly useless because you need to be really "close" and need to have direct view. Russians also have them and they complained on telegram that they barely work. Also watch the video, these small racing drones are too tiny and you dont know they are around until its too late.
They are as much in their infancy as drones are if not even further back. Also Russians saying they're shit doesn't really mean much given 80% of their kit only "works" in paper.
It'll be interesting to see the arms race between drones and jamming technology. of course, if you make drones with an onboard computer that can detect and kill enemies without relying on external radio controls, it will be immune to RF jamming. that's probably the drone endgame imo.
vehicle-based jammers seem to be a lot more effective, but obviously harder and less common to deploy. As I understand it the guns need to be actively aimed at the drone, rather than jamming omnidirectionally whenever they're turned on. most of the times people are killed by drone grenades without knowing they're being targeted.
you still need an artillery piece to shoot the artillery, which is vulnerable. all you need for a drone is a dude with a controller/laptop. obviously artillery has its place and is responsible for way more deaths than drones but drones still occupy niches artillery cannot.
>all you need for a drone is a dude with a controller/laptop
Unless the entire area us jammed or the dude has limited time due to the enemy recognizing the signal of the operator. Drones are risky unless the operator is like in a safe area where no strikes can be immediate.
>enemy recognizing the signal of the operator
this is definitely feasible but are there any real-world examples of this happening? as drone warfare matures I'm sure it will, but right now I have not seen any examples
Yes, it has happened before, I think. With the right equipment/technique, you can triangulate signals back to the host. Which is how many government agencies catch criminals/missing people because their devices let off signals. An example of this in war is when donbabweans/Ukrainians shelled each other due to finding signals.
Yes. The American army fighting ISIS.
FPV drones are common in the Russo-Ukraine war because both sides are lower tech than America was in the 00s.
>Infantry and armor will be outdated
Hilarious.
War isn't rock-paper-scissors, infantry and armor don't lose to chink FPV drones just because. They're all parts of combined arms, which is a stupidly complex game of countermeasures and counter-countermeasures.
Sure, maybe we won't saturate the front lines of a future conflict with microwaves, but that might be because we're striking the factories where the drones are made with long-range missiles or because we started a deniable insurgency in the country that produces a key element for drone production or because we whipped up some crazy side-channel attack shit that gives drone operators cyber AIDS. And at the same time the enemy we're facing might not even use FPV drones like the UAF/RF are because they might have massed rocket artillery like we do or because they plan on fighting a naval war to conclusion before a land campaign ever starts or some other reason. See what I'm getting at?
Yeah fair enough. But watch OPs video. They clean an entire trench system with just a few racing drones. And they didn't even kill them, but there is a point when they just give up and run away because they can't do shit against them.
flying these things is like those old helicopter flash games
that's my contribution to this thread
also, i picture the autonomous smol shits more often as ground-crawling spiders that get yote from a mothership drone than as racing drones themselves – at least when thinking about trench clearing, tunnel mapping, and so forth.
the mega-airship with practically arbitrary time on station that deploys matryoshka doll uavs is a bezos Amazon Air Prime pipedream at worst and an exercise in doing stupid shit on average, if your tasks are mostly along the lines of terrain mapping, recon, entering otherwise fatal funnels / exploratory probing of landscape features suitable for enemy concealment.
in those instances, you probably don't need the probe to be capable of flying itself back, since it'll get itself stuck or confused about how to rtb much of the time, and it'll come into contact with enemy forces on occasion too. you just need it to be able to report back on whatever its sensors needed to grab.
meanwhile, you handle the data wrangling, transformation and compute bullshit to pull this together from the network of probes either onboard the mother drone or at the pilot station.
if you need your probes to double as allahu akbar effectors, you're gonna end up with a couple kg of some bog standard explosive either way (regardless of whether your dude is a uav or ugv).
i suppose the aryan ideal could end up looking like a drone deployment platform that packs a party mix loadout of different recon vehicles. in that case i guess i'd want a spike firefly/libelle type of glorified-arty-round-with-vtol available, to leave open the option of persistence. drop your nu-landmine down, do some spelunking, park yourself where suitable. and if hostiles turned up, bail a week or month later (which you can do, bcuz u can get airborne unassisted).
pic largely unrel other than the fact that it's got a neat ominous aesthetic and it came to mind
*if hostiles never turned up
Why havent anyone made autonomous drones with computer vision ? I can probably do it with a raspberry pi and arduino board lol.
btw ukrainian pilots are flying slow because of range/signal loss
ai controlled drones could do shit like this or if you pilots if they were close enough/had good relays
the videos aren't sped up either btw
they have
>anyone made autonomous drones with computer vision
Anon wants a bob and vagene hunter.
> come home from work (at Taco Bell)
> retrieve the drone
> pop SD card into laptop
> drone found neighbor's daughter left her window open
RasPi framerates are pretty much garbage if you try to do any processing of the images.
>The future looks grim for infantry
always has anon
Just close the door, nagger. Hang a blanket in the hallway.
Steel in arty shells costs about $4/lb. RDX is $5-8/lb and cast iron for mortars is under $1/lb.
A single dumb 155 costs less in materials than a FPV and it will obliterate the whole house and everyone inside instead of running out of battery, getting jammed, or banging impotently on the door.
A drone doesn't need an expensive cannon, or an entourage of loaders. It's not as vulnerable to counterbattery fire. If you send a drone to attack an enemy position, and the enemy isn't there, you can call it off. Can an artillery shell abort at the last minute if it sees an empty foxhole, or a house filled with civilians? (IDF need not answer).
>its not as vulnerable
Retard, every fucking drone is vulnerable to EW and also triangulation of signals which may reveal the operators position. Drones are not the end game like you think it is and only poor countries struggle against it due to
1)they don't have much EW to put around
2)even if they did get EW, they may not set up proper lines of communications
3)they don't have much SHORADs to counter the drones in close proximity.
> It's not as vulnerable to counterbattery fire
It's far *more* vulnerable. It's an easily bent object which has to fit in a bulky case carried by a grunt who has to radiate a constant shoot-me beacon while manually flying it. It's a short range system with little to no loiter time. Dudes can literally walk indoors and wait 10 minutes and it runs out of battery.
The 'proper' meta (dating back to the 1970s and earlier) is artillery teamed with aerial observers. Instantly DF the FPV goon. Launch a bomb too big to take cover from at supersonic speeds he can't see coming. Then repeat hundreds of times because the howitzers can carry more shells than the same number of FPV dudes in pickups can carry FPV cases. Do it longer, since a dedicated fixed-wing drone carries bigger sensors with longer range and more loiter time. And be out of the FPV guys range by tens of km so he never has a physical ability to fight back.
It won't, you absolute retard. You have no concept to why combined arms warfare mogs even drone shit. The most important thing in a military is to have a structure that aims to cover each others weaknesses. Drones doesn't do anything aside from making the military deploy more EW to counter it.
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You just need a small autonomous drone that moves towards an enemy soldier and delivers a small explosive device to (mission) kill him. It's like a small bird or mouse waiting on a tree or in the grass with a small camera or microphone that picks up hints which give away that they are from the opposing force.
What amazes me of OPs video is that they have now enough resolution/zoom to take close-up videos of their victims. Will drone operators have PTSD remembering the people they killed?
slavs don't have emotions
anyone whinging about Ai weapons can't appreciate that they're ethically equivalent to a land mine
EW is a meme right? Once drones are fully autonomous and hardened it won't do anything. EW seems like it'll only work against the early cheap shit.
Autonomous drones still needs shit that are proned to EW to work. You do realize EW is not specific to jamming signals?
scary shit
>like when they started to see the first archaic planes in WW1
Fast forward to a century later, when infantry has literally been eliminated from all forms of warfare.
No, but everything changed since then. And the transition to effectively deal with these new flying machines dropping bombs and spotting took several conflicts and millions of lives and a huge jump in technology. The next decades are going to be interesting.
>tfw cheap drones made the redeemer real
Redeem sir.
bump
Think things like rocket pistol will make a comeback now that the tech for making tracking mini rockets has caughtup and there are small evasive targets that could justify it?
Infantry and tanks aren’t going anywhere we’re just back to giga-high bodycount warfare where advancing results in horrific casualties.
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is this thread 5 years ago
it says 23 on the tin but i'm not so sure
Don't make fun of the poo hands. They can't do any better
The next step is some AI in them. No operator needed anymore. You just tell the drone you are here, fly 5 miles north and crash into some vehicle, peopel etc. This is safe from all the jamming anti drone guns. Also no gps needed, for short distances even hobby inertial navigation is enough. I wonder why it isnt used already.
>I wonder why it isnt used already.
Much more work than just ziptying RPG warhead to drone. But yeah final solution for jamming problem already here. DJI drones already have lock on and follow mode
Flugabwehrkanonenpanzerbros, we are so back
Nice numbers
>-t. unvaxxed & uncut
Why are dronefags so insufferable? No, your shitty little quadcopter isn't going to obsolete human beings you fucking retard