Indonesia gets more budget to acquire another batch of Rafale

18 to be precise
Link to a french source :
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/apres-les-six-premiers-l-indonesie-est-proche-d-acquerir-18-nouveaux-rafale-954562.html
Good news for us (France) : Dassault does it again, after selling the Falcon 8X a couple of months ago to Indonesia, now there's a further 18 more Rafale that will complete the order of 42 airframes of last year

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Good news for us (France)
    To think that 20 years ago, in France, some people were laughing at it and calling it a lemon...
    Now the Rafale is going to be even more successful and popular than the Mirage III
    I'm really happy and proud to see that at least, something is still working well in our country

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Next gen nuke missile is confirmed on Rafale F5 in the mid 30s.
    But it will be larger than the ASMP-A and won't fit under the current Rafale airframe.
    And F5 will be "very different from F4" according to the French Air Force chief of staff.
    So they indirectly confirmed that F5 will be a larger design, and while we're at it, I'm willing to be they will indeed implement RCS reducing measures to keep being relevant until the delivery of FCAS (or whatever we get if the FCAS program goes down the drain)
    Pic very related, apparently sourced from a old Dassault presentation.
    Like a SuperHornet to the Hornet, with RCS shapes ontop of it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >that pic
      Jesus Christ, the model looks like something coming straight from Ace Combat 2

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        well, it must be rougly the same age.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How did the Rafale make such a dramatic comeback?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      By bribing a lot of politicians.
      Brazil almost got the Rafale too, but people found out about the bribe, and then they ended up getting the Gripen NG.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you dont even have to bribe a lot
        just a few in the right spots
        because these fighter are so close in capability it isn't even like they are scamming their constituents either. whether saab, dassault, lockheed, ef or boeing bribes them they're getting a good enough plane

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >boeing
          No, in the wikileaks there are emails where one person was complaining they weren't allowed to bribe just like france was doing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      AFAIK it has a lot less strings attached than American planes

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >White dog Ausfailia and Malayshit are scared and shitting in their panties right now.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Indonesia should next purchase Suffren SSNs to counter Chinese and AUKUS aggression

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'm the poster of the message

    >Good news for us (France)
    To think that 20 years ago, in France, some people were laughing at it and calling it a lemon...
    Now the Rafale is going to be even more successful and popular than the Mirage III
    I'm really happy and proud to see that at least, something is still working well in our country

    #
    Actually, I was referring to the fact that the Rafale will have more foreign customers than the Mirage III, but obviously, the Rafale is far from matching the number of airframes sold compared to the Mirage III
    Voila voila

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The Rafale is as of now either operated or on order by 8 countries. France Egypt Qatar India Greece Croatia United Arab Emirates and Indonesia.
      Columbia Iraq and Serbia may join the list. That'd make it 11.
      The Mirage III was sold to 10 countries including France, and used by 11 total counting Pakistan.
      So you're still gonna need another new client after Columbia Iraq and Serbia, if these countries even buy the Rafale in the first place which is far from being certain at this point.
      I'm not sure it's gonna work anon, but let's hope it does.

      https://i.imgur.com/rYTdS1G.jpg

      Next gen nuke missile is confirmed on Rafale F5 in the mid 30s.
      But it will be larger than the ASMP-A and won't fit under the current Rafale airframe.
      And F5 will be "very different from F4" according to the French Air Force chief of staff.
      So they indirectly confirmed that F5 will be a larger design, and while we're at it, I'm willing to be they will indeed implement RCS reducing measures to keep being relevant until the delivery of FCAS (or whatever we get if the FCAS program goes down the drain)
      Pic very related, apparently sourced from a old Dassault presentation.
      Like a SuperHornet to the Hornet, with RCS shapes ontop of it.

      Here's another pic of a stealthier Rafale derivative project from the 90's.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It seems the Saudis want to purchase a lot of them, my sources in the Middle East tell me of a huge order of up to 200 airframes.
        The long game is they want to finance the SCAF also and be a customer in about 2035.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It seems the Saudis want to purchase a lot of them
          Pure speculation and most probably false.
          >my sources in the Middle East tell me of a huge order of up to 200 airframes
          We must have the same source then.
          >The long game is they want to finance the SCAF also and be a customer in about 2035.
          That's gonna be hard, and that's not going to happen for the year 2035 since 2029 will see the first flight of the prototype if it's not abandoned in the meantime. You won't have an operational aircraft with all the required technologies at that point, especially regarding new materials. The ex french air force chief of staff said so himself, joined by the former DGA, the Dassault CEO, and a bunch of other important people, who all said you'd have to look for 2045 or 2050. We're not making merely a 5.5th gen here just like the nippobongtalians most probably will. We're looking at stuff like adaptive stealth nanomaterials or new neural networks as well as distributed antennae, or blending active and passive stealth. All artworks and mockups seen until now are just for publicity.

          [...]
          posts like this is why everyone wishes the mustache man had put every last frog on a train

          >posts like this is why everyone wishes the mustache man had put every last frog on a train
          According to the memories he shared once with my dad, my gramp killed at least a dozen germans during WW2, just as his own father had done before during WW1, even if he only remembered fondly of 6 of his kills.
          I pride myself very much in this heritage especially as it makes wehraboos like you seething in agony.
          Pic very related.

          What happened to the KF-21?
          Why mix your fleet?
          Does Indonesia want to invade East Malaysia already?

          >What happened to the KF-21?
          KF-21 is fine. Tests are going very smoothly and even ahead of schedule.
          indonigs don't have the money but they aren't willing to pull out of the project. They make deposits every now and again when they manage to sell a bit of palm oil. 54 KF-21s are a part of the contract and they haven't made any changes to it.
          >why mix your fleet?
          a lot of militaries mix their fleets. Most euro air forces use a mix of euro and american jets. There was a chance that Korea could've gotten the rafale instead of the F-15. Pilots aren't so moronic that they can't learn a new system.
          >Does Indonesia want to invade East Malaysia already?
          Are you a moron? There's a global arms race right now, especially in the Pacific.
          SEAnigs are particularly concerned because their russian jets are basically worthless at this point so they need something right now. FA-50 and rafale are the obvious choices. US may not approve export to SEA because too much chink influence in those countries.

          >indonigs don't have the money but they aren't willing to pull out of the project.
          But they have the money for the Rafale apparently. How can that be VANK zergling anon? I though the Rafale was overpriced and inferior, or so I've been told by /k/.

          kek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >will see the first flight of the prototype if it's not abandoned in the meantime

            What option do they really have? If the germans get out of SCAF the french will build it alone just like they did with Rafale.
            There is no other option, they cannot join the Tempest because Dassault/Thales/Safran want to lead the project.
            The other option is to buy American planes which is what they avoided in the last 30-40 years by building the industry and supply chain for modern airplane industry. It would be a waste to just buy American and let Dassault build business jets only

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >What option do they really have? If the germans get out of SCAF the french will build it alone just like they did with Rafale.
              Most probably, but it would be less ambitious than the european jet in the eyes of french politicians who refuse to see joint programmes in Europe are the ones that are overpriced and nonperforming.
              >There is no other option, they cannot join the Tempest because Dassault/Thales/Safran want to lead the project.
              Yes, and the Tempest already spawned from a failed launched in 2010 anglo-french programme, the original FCAS, a stealth UCAV designed after Neuron and Taranis. In 2017 the brits told the french their requirements had changed and they now wanted a manned supersonic fighter. The french refused, but then a year later, in the context of post-Brexit politics and the election of Macron who guzzles more german cum than serbs slurp vatnik sperm, France and Germany signed a deal for a joint manned fighter, illustrating the decades old problem of french politics of being unable to decide between the UK and Germany. A problem already seen with MALE drones, with the case of the Telemos which was a redesigned BAE Mantis the brits were willing to industrialize with Dassault, and the Talarion which was pure Airbus vaporware. France joined the latter. It got quickly cancelled. So France bought a bunch of MQ-9s instead. Which it's probably going to happen again soon but don't tell anybody. So much for european sovereignty right?
              >The other option is to buy American planes which is what they avoided in the last 30-40 years by building the industry and supply chain for modern airplane industry. It would be a waste to just buy American and let Dassault build business jets only
              Yet some among the french military would like it very much because they feel not having F-35 somehow excludes them from NATO and they don't like being forced to be Dassault salespersons. Of course they don't say it out loud.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yet some among the french military would like it very much because they feel not having F-35 somehow excludes them from NATO and they don't like being forced to be Dassault salespersons. Of course they don't say it out loud.

                This is an interesting aspect.
                At least the Rafale M is fully certified to operate on USN carriers just like the Hornet can operate on the CDG.
                Probably at some point the Marine Nationale can extend this level of cooperation with the British carriers.
                But I do get your point and I get the military point of vue. I pray Dassault can do the SCAF in time. Rafale just broke even at the 500th aircraft sold so I expect to sell even more now.
                I read that they will increase production from 2027, will they open a second assembly line besides Merignac?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >At least the Rafale M is fully certified to operate on USN carriers just like the Hornet can operate on the CDG.
                F-18SH on the CdG not with a full combat load, C-13 catapults are too short.
                >Probably at some point the Marine Nationale can extend this level of cooperation with the British carriers.
                While the Rafale can take off from a ramp and was cleared to operate from the indian Vikrant carrier, just like the F-18SH, I doubt a Rafale will ever take off from the QE ramp, it is really only suited for the F-35B. However the planned CVF-FR was a CATOBAR variant of the QE.
                >But I do get your point and I get the military point of vue. I pray Dassault can do the SCAF in time.
                Biggest topic right now. Phase 1b, definition, must succeed first, then phase 2, building the prototype, can happen. But the mood at Dassault isn't good despite obtaining a strong prime position and a lead design role. Trust is still an issue regarding intellectual property, and 3 years were lost in talks since 2018, pushing the first flight deadline from 2025 to 2029.
                >Rafale just broke even at the 500th aircraft sold so I expect to sell even more now.
                495 exactly. Most likely new deals are Qatar for 36 more, Egypt for up to 45 more since they'd like "100", Indian Navy for 26 but the F-18 is still in the race. Indian Air Force tender for up to either 57, 90, or 114, Columbia for 16 where Rafale leads but faces the Gripen E, shady serbian deal for 14, touchy Iraq deal for 14.
                Other prospects are fantasy, like picrel, Rafale visiting Vietnam.
                Best case scenario 760 Rafale total. Never gonna happen lol.
                >I read that they will increase production from 2027, will they open a second assembly line besides Merignac?
                Sooner. 2024 will be cadency 3, or 36 airframes built per year. The goal is to leverage indian facilities to be able to go up to cadency 5, which is the upper limit for the subcontractors feeding the small global supply chain with parts. Never gonna happen either.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            lmao. that train comment really got under your skin, didn't it. it got you writing cope essays.
            imagine being this proud of an irrelevant shithole buying your irrelevant thirdie jet. gonna suck off pajeets for operating the rafale while you're at it?
            funny that you bring up vank when you're doing the exact same thing for your homosexual country.
            sneed.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >According to the memories he shared once with my dad, my gramp killed at least a dozen germans during WW2, just as his own father had done before during WW1, even if he only remembered fondly of 6 of his kills.
            >I pride myself very much in this heritage especially as it makes wehraboos like you seething in agony.
            >Pic very related.
            I think actually your gramps killed at least 12,000,000 German soldiers
            6 weeks frog

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >muh 6 weeks
              2 weeks on foot saw Prussia fall.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >uuuuuhhh but le actually we le defeated this one German state when it was at its literal lowest point while we already stood with hundreds of thousands of men in the middle of Germany
                I love this cope, never fails to produce a chuckle
                1940 will never be forgotten and you can seethe about it eternally, the butthurt is noticeable to this day

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I love this cope, never fails to produce a chuckle
                Whatever gets you off
                >1940 will never be forgotten and you can seethe about it eternally, the butthurt is noticeable to this day
                >hurrrrr i can be a moron eternally because 6 weeks!
                Bongoid, you lost YOUR richest territories to a peasant girl

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >But they have the money for the rafale apparently
            >apparently
            this may be too much for your frog ganglia but you're supposed to avoid making deals with a client that has bad credit, not be proud of it. falling for the indog scam AFTER the koreans got scammed makes you twice the moron.
            I hope you like guzzling palm oil with your snails

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >this may be too much for your frog ganglia but you're supposed to avoid making deals with a client that has bad credit,
              I'm sure you know more about financing defense deals with foreign countries than the Coface and the french ministry of finances anon.
              >you're supposed to avoid making deals with a client that has bad credit, not be proud of it.
              Yet South Korea prides itself into selling a lot of weapons to Poland while Poland runs on EU gibs and the EU now is fining them for not respecting their engagements.
              You should worry about this before worrying about France getting paid.
              >falling for the indog scam AFTER the koreans got scammed makes you twice the moron.
              Oh so it's the koreans who got scammed now?
              >SK sells faulty subs to Indonesia
              >Indonesia unhappy and now look at other options like Type 214 and Scorpene.
              >Indonesia rethinks their position within the KF-21 as they're not getting anything regarding ToT and settles for 42 Rafale.
              >SK goes as far as removing the indonesian flag on the prototype in a very childish move
              >K-pop anon now pretends SK got scammed by Indonesia and warns the french the Rafale are never gonna get paid or maybe only in palm oil.
              Here's a fun story for you anon: in the 90's Dassault accepted payment in olive oil from Greece to pay for some of their Mirage 2000. The greek were broke, and one day came to the french asking if they'd accept such a form of payment. Well Dassault put up a trading company, sold that product on the market, and got its money.
              You need to realize as long as the french make their money back they don't give a damn how the payment was honored. It's called having an open mind and taking care of your customers.
              Americans could pay for french stuff in cowboy hats and AR15s, as long as these items could be valued on another market and bring back the expected cash, it would be fine.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Rafale, is fully the equal of the F-35, Su-57 and J-20 as a fifth generation fighter. Like the KF-21, it is a 4.5 gen with development potential to be further upgraded to fifth gen. That is why many countries, such as India, Indonesia, Qatar and the UAE which have requested F-35s or were looking at other fifth gen options like the Su-75 and KF-21, are now Rafale users.

    The Eurogay Typhoon meanwhile remains a 4-4.5 generation aircraft with no further development potential, and the countries who are using it primarily (UK, Italy, Spain etc) are all F-35 users and have no incentive to develop it further

    Rafale is a fifth generation aircraft

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Funny how it's always people that are not french that are spamming this shitty copypasta, bande d'enculés

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    posts like this is why everyone wishes the mustache man had put every last frog on a train

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to the KF-21?
    Why mix your fleet?
    Does Indonesia want to invade East Malaysia already?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >What happened to the KF-21?
      KF-21 is fine. Tests are going very smoothly and even ahead of schedule.
      indonigs don't have the money but they aren't willing to pull out of the project. They make deposits every now and again when they manage to sell a bit of palm oil. 54 KF-21s are a part of the contract and they haven't made any changes to it.
      >why mix your fleet?
      a lot of militaries mix their fleets. Most euro air forces use a mix of euro and american jets. There was a chance that Korea could've gotten the rafale instead of the F-15. Pilots aren't so moronic that they can't learn a new system.
      >Does Indonesia want to invade East Malaysia already?
      Are you a moron? There's a global arms race right now, especially in the Pacific.
      SEAnigs are particularly concerned because their russian jets are basically worthless at this point so they need something right now. FA-50 and rafale are the obvious choices. US may not approve export to SEA because too much chink influence in those countries.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's getting annihilated by the much superior LCA HAL Tejas 4.5 Gen fighter/bomber

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        GOOD MORNING SIR, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You shut up bloody basterd

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bitch, nobody cares about that 3rd world tier plane.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The frick do they need all those planes for?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      None of your beeswax

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    am i autistic for thinking this ruins the plane aesthetically? are they really saving that much by making a static mid air refuel thing?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      like this thing looks totally tacked on at the last minute

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ww4ZpBT.png

      like this thing looks totally tacked on at the last minute

      I actually love it but you do have a point. Why DIDN'T they use a retractable fuel thingy?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >am i autistic for thinking this ruins the plane aesthetically?
      Nah
      >are they really saving that much by making a static mid air refuel thing?
      The IRST on the nose has a bigger impact than the probe.

      [...]
      I actually love it but you do have a point. Why DIDN'T they use a retractable fuel thingy?

      >I actually love it but you do have a point. Why DIDN'T they use a retractable fuel thingy?
      Specific demand from the french air force.
      Sturdier, cheaper, more fuel transferred per second, less parts susceptible to break, way lighter, and weight is drag too.
      Original A, C-01, and M-01 prototypes looked sleeker.

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