Yes. And it will be on Ukraine too. The West is a cancer that goes against the very idea of being human and it will be beaten again and again until it falls!
problem with afghanistan is that anyone with the ability to leave left that shithole for riches in the west which is what led to the afghan army and government being filled with people who either agrees with the taliban vision of living like a cave man or doesn't want to fight them because they don't feel like they've got anything to fight for since they live in a shithole.
Yes and no. You can break spirits, but it depends in how you do it. Afghanistan issue was that the ANA was incompetent in finishing off the taliban, which lead to them being rebuilt back up after U.S. forces annihilated them. The issue with is just simply setting up a competent government that has influence and legitimacy across the regions. The ANA had every opportunity to expell the taliban off of Afghanistan, but they didn't do it.
The actual deciding factor in two of those three conflicts was having another country you could run away to, hide inside and operate from within that your opponent wasn't allowed to attack because of muh geopolitics and just wait there until they decide to leave. >ISIS/Al Qaeda > Pakistan >Vietcong > Laos/Cambodia
Funny enough, ISIS is using the same tactic of the taliban and run away to Pakistan or get weapons from there. ISIS has been using Pakistan as a hub in their insurgency against the taliban. The taliban has no way of securing their borders.
Probably never, but the instability Afghanistan is causing Pakistan to become unstable too. Pakistan is begging the west to give gibs to the taliban because the problems in Afghanistan is starting to become a problem in Pakistan.
Honestly those are three very different circumstances.
Indomitable spirit within the general population is certainly incredibly valuable in a defensive war, if that’s what you’re getting at. There are definitely circumstances of that which contributed to victory in all of those wars.
You can overcome that in COIN through propaganda and actually delivering on your promises. If you immediately and consistently make the lives of the invaded people better, they will eventually come around.
The deciding factor in Afghanistan and Vietnam wasn't the strength of the enemies but the abject corruption among the puppet regime leadership. Oh gee, reminds me of Iraq now I think of it. As long as the worst criminal scum possible is given power, you will end up with people being motivated to eradicate them.
The Taliban is a bunch of tribal boys and a handful of the old guys who managed to hide in Pakistan or the mountains for 20 years. Unlike the US military there are few Taliban members who are veterans of 5+ years of direct combat.
We thought we could break their spirit with bullets and warfare but didnt realize is that will never work. you break people's spirits with goyslop, pornography, and a constant feed of cheap media. hack their dopamine receptors, make them slaves.
it's not even that afghanistan has an "indomitable" spirit, it's that the power structure in afghanistan is extremely decentralized which makes trying to set up a democracy with a centralized government there a fricking nightmare.
No, it was logistics and arms supply. If it wasn't possible to get arms to the Afghans they wouldn't have won against the USSR or the US. Lots of nations throughout history have been brave and defiant and still got wiped off the face of the earth.
Ironically I think relentless goverment corruption, tribal infighting, refusing american anticorruption reforms, and theft did far more to break the americans than the taliban.
The taliban had less kills on americans/NATO troop then died of random accidents/heart attacks
Biggest proof is now that the taliban is in charge its just as an ungoverable shitshow by the very same factions fighting where in vietnam they NVA took power and stablized things pretty well. Lebonon also still has a semi funtional central goverment/reistance.
Lebanon is progressively fragmented/fricked.
If you wanted to save Lebanon you had to level the gulf states and Iran.
I now I would. But it's too late, it was late 15 years ago.
>Ironically I think relentless goverment corruption, tribal infighting, refusing american anticorruption reforms, and theft did far more to break the americans than the taliban.
This is it. The valuable people left. What's left is the rejects that will possibly give Pakistan the comeuppance for their duplicity.
Yes. This is why the indomitable human spirit of Ukrainians wanting to preserve their independence and sovereignty will ultimately triumph against the invading asiatic/russian horde. Slava Ukraini!
Yes. And it will be on Ukraine too. The West is a cancer that goes against the very idea of being human and it will be beaten again and again until it falls!
This!
>t potbelly that believe the US can do no wrong
yeh
vietnam yes
lebanon yes
problem with afghanistan is that anyone with the ability to leave left that shithole for riches in the west which is what led to the afghan army and government being filled with people who either agrees with the taliban vision of living like a cave man or doesn't want to fight them because they don't feel like they've got anything to fight for since they live in a shithole.
>this is what amerimutts actually believe
Not an argument, moron.
ITT: vatnigs and pajeets missing the point entirely
Yes and no. You can break spirits, but it depends in how you do it. Afghanistan issue was that the ANA was incompetent in finishing off the taliban, which lead to them being rebuilt back up after U.S. forces annihilated them. The issue with is just simply setting up a competent government that has influence and legitimacy across the regions. The ANA had every opportunity to expell the taliban off of Afghanistan, but they didn't do it.
>You can break spirits, but it depends in how you do it.
Japan was indomitable too until the nukes dropped.
The actual deciding factor in two of those three conflicts was having another country you could run away to, hide inside and operate from within that your opponent wasn't allowed to attack because of muh geopolitics and just wait there until they decide to leave.
>ISIS/Al Qaeda > Pakistan
>Vietcong > Laos/Cambodia
Funny enough, ISIS is using the same tactic of the taliban and run away to Pakistan or get weapons from there. ISIS has been using Pakistan as a hub in their insurgency against the taliban. The taliban has no way of securing their borders.
Afghan-Pakistan war when?
Probably never, but the instability Afghanistan is causing Pakistan to become unstable too. Pakistan is begging the west to give gibs to the taliban because the problems in Afghanistan is starting to become a problem in Pakistan.
I say let Pakistan collapse, then India can invade and forcibly reunify it.
Honestly those are three very different circumstances.
Indomitable spirit within the general population is certainly incredibly valuable in a defensive war, if that’s what you’re getting at. There are definitely circumstances of that which contributed to victory in all of those wars.
You can overcome that in COIN through propaganda and actually delivering on your promises. If you immediately and consistently make the lives of the invaded people better, they will eventually come around.
No. The victors weren't survivors, they were the next generation funded by outsiders.
The deciding factor in Afghanistan and Vietnam wasn't the strength of the enemies but the abject corruption among the puppet regime leadership. Oh gee, reminds me of Iraq now I think of it. As long as the worst criminal scum possible is given power, you will end up with people being motivated to eradicate them.
The Taliban is a bunch of tribal boys and a handful of the old guys who managed to hide in Pakistan or the mountains for 20 years. Unlike the US military there are few Taliban members who are veterans of 5+ years of direct combat.
We thought we could break their spirit with bullets and warfare but didnt realize is that will never work. you break people's spirits with goyslop, pornography, and a constant feed of cheap media. hack their dopamine receptors, make them slaves.
it's not even that afghanistan has an "indomitable" spirit, it's that the power structure in afghanistan is extremely decentralized which makes trying to set up a democracy with a centralized government there a fricking nightmare.
>muh Vietnam
Is that all you got?
No, it was logistics and arms supply. If it wasn't possible to get arms to the Afghans they wouldn't have won against the USSR or the US. Lots of nations throughout history have been brave and defiant and still got wiped off the face of the earth.
Yes the mind and warrior spirit are the most valuable weapons, since always.
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Yep. A people's will to fight for freedom should never be underestimated.
Ironically I think relentless goverment corruption, tribal infighting, refusing american anticorruption reforms, and theft did far more to break the americans than the taliban.
The taliban had less kills on americans/NATO troop then died of random accidents/heart attacks
Biggest proof is now that the taliban is in charge its just as an ungoverable shitshow by the very same factions fighting where in vietnam they NVA took power and stablized things pretty well. Lebonon also still has a semi funtional central goverment/reistance.
Lebanon is progressively fragmented/fricked.
If you wanted to save Lebanon you had to level the gulf states and Iran.
I now I would. But it's too late, it was late 15 years ago.
>Ironically I think relentless goverment corruption, tribal infighting, refusing american anticorruption reforms, and theft did far more to break the americans than the taliban.
This is it. The valuable people left. What's left is the rejects that will possibly give Pakistan the comeuppance for their duplicity.
Yeah, high morale is what allowed the Afghans to btfo the Soviets who didn't even know what they were fighting for
Yes. This is why the indomitable human spirit of Ukrainians wanting to preserve their independence and sovereignty will ultimately triumph against the invading asiatic/russian horde. Slava Ukraini!