There is someone trying to transition in my Brigade and the Army denied paying for their transition. Military is unironically not easy to be a troony in.
its an inherit flaw with the design having two offset propellers pointed downward, the ground effect can cause it to flip over if you traverse too close over uneven terrain like a ship or buildings
lol no it doesn't. You idiots keep trying to crash this meme so hard you try to bring up a "problem" that has never actually caused any of the V-22's crashes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ok moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
Uh, okay, so you decide to prove me wrong by posting a video that affects all helicopters equally?
Hey moron, if you fly a helicopter in that situation with only one top rotor, it still crashes in the exact same way. It has nothing to do with two rotors. It's just a temperature difference effect.
But keep screaming about how a helicopter with a good safety record doesn't because of blah blah blah.
2 years ago
Anonymous
first of all reddit spacing
second of all, >a helicopter with a good safety record
lmao
They entered service in the mid aughts so every crash is within popular memory. IIRC the Black Hawk had a similar early service crash and fatality history.
>2019 army threshold requirement: 250kts >v-280 demonstrator reaches 305kts june 2021 >sb-1's current top speed is 247kts and they believe it can go "slightly faster"
there's also the weird shortage of video of the sb-1 doing maneuvers and sikorsky's ongoing problems with vibration and gearboxes but that's a lot harder to quantify.
>born: Keiv, Ukrainian SSR >Alma Mater: Keiv Polytechnical Institute
I'm starting to see a pattern.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ukrainian. Ukrainian intellectuals are the reason why the Soviet Union was worth half a frick.
https://i.imgur.com/sywgpxe.jpg
the hybrid design for the sikorsky is interesting for procurement, given they share a lot of the same parts
https://i.imgur.com/0YryQK9.jpg
>Sikorsky
I can't believe America's oldest and biggest aircraft manufacturers is named after a Russian Ukrainian.
(As if there's a really difference between the two. Both Slavs)
You got to give the America credit where credit due, for the all shit it gets about how racist it is, they're really are willing to hire anybody.
Cyberpunk predicted Sikorsky (zetatech valgus) will win, have a long and succesful service life
And then even after it is finally retired, it will still be used by border guard and police to shoot at illegal immigrants and nig-nogs 55 years later. Due to how cheap, refined, and easy to maintain the design has become over the years >I wanted to put an image of the Valgus from Cyberpunk 2077 which is also a dual rotor here, but PrepHole hates the only image i can find of it
this thing? seems based, tilt rotors are gay and dangerous given uneven ground effect when trying to land or take off from urban or mountainous environments having a tendency to flip the helicopter over
I will play Cyberpunk if and when the devs release a DLC expansion. That will tell me they're finished fixing the main game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The main game works pretty well. Expect one or two crashes over the main story at most, and a loss of like 40seconds (Save system is on point to make up for the earlier release crashyness after all).
On an outdated last gen console of over 200 hours I crashed about 6 times in gameplay, and about 5 times on the credits for some reason lmao.
Besides that the whole game is pretty fun. I would arguably say even when it released it was playable enough to make it worth it for me and it's certainly more playable now, it's done a NMS. I suggest following an OP build, I personally liked melee and sniper sneaky gameplay, but there's a ton of everything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OP build won't be a problem. I usually cheat in RPGs to skip pointless grinding or increase the diversity of options I have for normal gameplay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, I never felt like I was grinding you'll be fine, and it's super easy to get an OP build
How is a game that sold 18 million copies a flop? The only game of equivalent hype and relative cost to make the game that did better was GTAV. Even GTA4 did worse than Cyberpunk.
1. Statistics of bought copies is for copies bought by physical stores only.
2. All copies bought by gamers were refunded within 48 hours
3. Sony had to remove Cyberpunk from the PS4 because so many people were refunding it
4. User score of 0 on metacritic
5. It's widely accepted that Cyberpunk flopped like LMAO how do you not know this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, anon, the 18 million number is sales that weren't refunded. It's illegal to report to investors that you made a sale that was then nullified. We're talking a number taken over a year after the game came out. The rest of the shit you're talking about doesn't have anything to do with financial success. The game is literally just plain not a flop, it made a shitload of money as profit and the only game that's reasonably comparable that did better was GTAV.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No, anon, the 18 million number is sales that weren't refunded. It's illegal to report to investors that you made a sale that was then nullified.
You made that up and I know it for a fact.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I didn't. Telling investors you made sales when you actually didn't make any money is illegal. You'd be required to tell investors a truthful account of expenditures and revenue in any circumstance, and yeah it actually is illegal to do otherwise.
If an investor asks how much of your data takes into account refunds and you don't give him a truthful answer, then it's investor fraud. This is why most investor reports don't report sales and instead report shipments. CDPR reports sales, not shipments.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>User score of 0 on metacritic
Why do you make shit up? Score on metacritic is solid.
What the frick even is this? Why are you simping for a game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nobody is simping, you're just making stuff up. In every post so far, apparently.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It fricking flopped.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You fricking want this to be true.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You want it to not be true for inexplicable reasons. I'm done assuming you have common knowledge.
>It let's them aim down and stay stationary unlike all other attack choppers
Articulating rocket pods have been a thing since the Vietnam war. Every apache has them. The rocket pods can move up and down to let the helicopter stay level while firing.
Well pack it in MIC bros. This anon knows better all of the highest paid and best engineers in the world. Should have consulted with him before the design was finished. Damn, we were so close...
The SB-1 will win for a simple reason
Its footprint is the same as a Blackhawk
This by extension means the inevitable navalised variant will be able to be fielded in destroyer hangars for ASW duty in a ready to fly config where the Valor would need to be folded and stowed which prevents rapid response
A tilt rotor without a rear door cannot make full use of the cargo space making any benefit in long range haulage a quite moot point
You're assuming a lot. btw the tilt-rotor isn't be offered as a transport helicopter, but even in that case you'd still be wrong because tilt-rotors have far greater range (more than twice the range, looking at OP's two helicopters as prototypes) and neither of them will have meaningful differences in loading or unloading.
None of the proposed helicopters in the FVL program so far are meant as transport helicopters in the manner of the Chinook.
Tilt rotors do not actually have twice the range mate, that's comparing two vehicles 2ith very different fuel fractions and flight regimens
Choppers mechanically have a massive advantage in doing vertical anything, especially at high altitudes
The two helicopters being compared literally have more than twice the range discrepancy. And that's not counting the fact that the tilt-rotor is going to get an engine upgrade.
The proposed two helicopters are what we’re judging. The valor has twice the range and twice the flying speed. It’s unironically it’s biggest selling point. Get educated Chud
Pretty sure that double range and speed is compared to the Black Hawk, not the Defiant. I believe the Defiant-X claims 60% greater speed and range compared to the Black Hawk so it's still a large improvement plus can claim better maneuverability and smaller footprint.
Someone is extremely upset that his moronic explanation of how the V-22 has a design flaw when it turns out that's just a problem with every helicopter didn't hold up.
OH and a reddit space because it makes him mad.
I wonder if people will think about how the Osprey has a low accident rate or his memes
>maybe they won't think I made the claim first and started screaming about sources when I got proven wrong
Imagine making a claim that a helicopter falls out of the sky because its propellers have problems with lift in temperature differentials and then starting to scream about sources concerning props in temperature differentials when you're wrong.
You think you're cute but I literally will just keep posting.
You claim the helicopter has a flaw that it doesn't (which really bothers you, because it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about). You didn't post a source backing up your claim. You then demand a source 9001 times.
Stop posting, being a contrarian isn't cute and you look moronic.
btw you're wrong about the V-22. That's all anyone will think about this after reading all of this. Just that you're wrong.
I don't know what you morons are screeching about, but the Osprey has a good safety record compared to most rotary wing aircraft in US service. Their mishap rate is surprisingly low. Still wouldn't want to fly one, though.
I like SB>1/s-97 but the setup isn't going to have top speed as fast as the Osprey/V280, so would the range and maximum weight in flight.
I believe tail propeller would be better attack helicopter, being more agile as the angular moment for rolling is smaller than that of two tilt rotor, able to nose down without moving forward if the rear rotor can be set to reverse, a big thing for forward fixed weaponry, especially a big ass fixed gun as long as the body in spinal or sides for non-stop trolling ground forces with smaller forward cross-section. Tilt rotor can utilize differential thrust to compensate for rolling and directly tiling propeller to go forward, but the extended propeller probably gets in the way of firing angle easily.
Any damage that would cause a double engine failure in the Osprey or Valor to where an autorotation was necessary would probably destroy the aircraft altogether.
The V-280 can fly on a single engine.
Expect the V-280 to win FLRAA and the Raider X to win FARA. I wish Sikorsky won both contracts but this is the most likely outcome unless there are serious maintenance issues wither either airframe.
Damn thing is HUEGELY TALL. As in, Navy won't even look at it because it won't fit in any hangars.
The gearbox is also titanically huge and complicated, taking up most of the volume under the rotors, which is the whole reason the usable volume is all in front of the rotor assembly.
It's gonna be a fricking nightmare for maintenance.
Any damage that would cause a double engine failure in the Osprey or Valor to where an autorotation was necessary would probably destroy the aircraft altogether.
The V-280 can fly on a single engine.
Expect the V-280 to win FLRAA and the Raider X to win FARA. I wish Sikorsky won both contracts but this is the most likely outcome unless there are serious maintenance issues wither either airframe.
Thanks for outing yourself as moronic.
See pic related, the right engine is failed, so the remaining engine drives both proprotors through the interconnecting drive shaft.
Now you might say, "Anon, what if they get really lucky,and one RPG hits the engine, and one RPG takes out the ISS shaft the osprey will fall out of the sky"
Yes, that is true, if you hit those two critical systems its over.
Now compare it to the chinook: if you take an RPG to the the sync shaft on a chinook you're dead because the rotors collide.
It's insane to think that even today that thing flies faster than every other helo out here.
It's even crazier that the systems that thing had back in the day made the cobra look like a ww1 plane by comparison. and it still lost.
Give me the rigid rotor system of the cheyenne, pump it full of the modern tech and give it a stealthier silhouette like the comanche has.
The guy who worked on the program said that there was a well-founded fear that the electronic innovation in the near future would make avionics obsolete even before the creation of the first combat-ready machine.
I wish it weren't true, but the tail fan really just kills it's already struggling aesthetics. It's an ugly duckling for sure, but it's technically fantastic
FRICK OFF with this homosexual meme of the Osprey being a death trap. It IS more crash-prone than other rotor aircraft in service, but it’s still a tiny amount. EVERY crash in any aircraft run by the US military goes through a highly detailed analysis to identify causes. In EVERY case there was a mechanical issue it’s been fixed. Most crashes simply comes down to human error. Probably not enough training specifically on tilt rotors.
This new tilt rotor was designed integrating all of those lessons-learned in the design itself making it significantly more reliable right from the start. Plus it has range and speed, irreplaceable benefits. Super digital wienerpit with loads of display meant to integrate into future battle space networks.
I think both these rotor aircraft will be acquired but for different missions.
You haven't heard about the problems Sikorsky has been having with rotor flex, have you? Until they can guarantee that they've fixed the problem for good, their design is considerably more dangerous than a tilt.
>What'd Sikorsky do to you?
nothing at all. But of all the helicopters i've worked on, i liked Bells the most. Especially the 204/205s (Basically civilian Hueys)
maybe Tilt will be done right the first time the second time around, butt for me not having rear loading ramp to haul max objects like small vehicles or maybe modular medical room is a deal breaker.
>make something dumb
>needs a lot of time (money) and money (money) to work properly
>get to scrap extra extra from the top now
American MIC bro
At least, the end product is high quality and groundbreaking
I know, it's great. I can't even imagine the weird cool shit they'll be trying to make work in a few decades.
Black personhomosexual 4cuck leddit tourist from nonc[le]dible defense
you need to have a nice day homie and fast
I wish we could give more money to the MIC instead of gibs for undesirables
There is someone trying to transition in my Brigade and the Army denied paying for their transition. Military is unironically not easy to be a troony in.
They will pay for it, but the doctor has to approve and deem it necessary. I just had my transgender awareness class at OCS lol.
PR schemes have really gone too far
Well, the reality is that most Army doctors won't approve it so far.
why not both?
Because the one on the left is a investment that will kill itself in less than a decade
You’re thinking of MICware
Sounds like billion dollar naval projects.
You mean, like, graft the ma'ams brain onto the plane?
Why are there so many foreign homosexuals shitting on the Osprey, it seems pretty good to me.
>*crashing sounds
isn't that just an issue with the mehrins?
its an inherit flaw with the design having two offset propellers pointed downward, the ground effect can cause it to flip over if you traverse too close over uneven terrain like a ship or buildings
lol no it doesn't. You idiots keep trying to crash this meme so hard you try to bring up a "problem" that has never actually caused any of the V-22's crashes.
ok moron
Uh, okay, so you decide to prove me wrong by posting a video that affects all helicopters equally?
Hey moron, if you fly a helicopter in that situation with only one top rotor, it still crashes in the exact same way. It has nothing to do with two rotors. It's just a temperature difference effect.
But keep screaming about how a helicopter with a good safety record doesn't because of blah blah blah.
first of all reddit spacing
second of all,
>a helicopter with a good safety record
lmao
First of all, newbie spacing.
Second of all, this is original PrepHole spacing.
Third of all, yes, a good safety record.
i don't believe you
I don't care what you believe 🙂
i do
Complete bullshit.
They entered service in the mid aughts so every crash is within popular memory. IIRC the Black Hawk had a similar early service crash and fatality history.
Foreigners cannot into tilt rotors
v-280 is working and sb-1 hasn't demonstrated it is physically capable of meeting the program's minimum requirements
How do you come to that conclusion?
>2019 army threshold requirement: 250kts
>v-280 demonstrator reaches 305kts june 2021
>sb-1's current top speed is 247kts and they believe it can go "slightly faster"
there's also the weird shortage of video of the sb-1 doing maneuvers and sikorsky's ongoing problems with vibration and gearboxes but that's a lot harder to quantify.
I guess they are not gonna make it, knowing they can't fill the strategic requirement.
Why contain it? ‘S cool
I’m excited for this program.
the hybrid design for the sikorsky is interesting for procurement, given they share a lot of the same parts
where have I seen this before...
bell is lazy as frick, literally stole the sikorsky comanche design, fricking c**ts
To be fair there is only so much you can do to streamline a helicopter.
>sikorsky
Reminder that this is a russian name.
>born: Keiv, Ukrainian SSR
>Alma Mater: Keiv Polytechnical Institute
I'm starting to see a pattern.
>Sikorsky
I can't believe America's oldest and biggest aircraft manufacturers is named after a Russian Ukrainian.
(As if there's a really difference between the two. Both Slavs)
You got to give the America credit where credit due, for the all shit it gets about how racist it is, they're really are willing to hire anybody.
Ukrainian. Ukrainian intellectuals are the reason why the Soviet Union was worth half a frick.
Cyberpunk predicted Sikorsky (zetatech valgus) will win, have a long and succesful service life
And then even after it is finally retired, it will still be used by border guard and police to shoot at illegal immigrants and nig-nogs 55 years later. Due to how cheap, refined, and easy to maintain the design has become over the years
>I wanted to put an image of the Valgus from Cyberpunk 2077 which is also a dual rotor here, but PrepHole hates the only image i can find of it
this thing? seems based, tilt rotors are gay and dangerous given uneven ground effect when trying to land or take off from urban or mountainous environments having a tendency to flip the helicopter over
Cyberpunk flopped and failed in every way, so that speaks volumes about what they think the future will be like.
Cyberpunk was great. You're missing out.
I will play Cyberpunk if and when the devs release a DLC expansion. That will tell me they're finished fixing the main game.
The main game works pretty well. Expect one or two crashes over the main story at most, and a loss of like 40seconds (Save system is on point to make up for the earlier release crashyness after all).
On an outdated last gen console of over 200 hours I crashed about 6 times in gameplay, and about 5 times on the credits for some reason lmao.
Besides that the whole game is pretty fun. I would arguably say even when it released it was playable enough to make it worth it for me and it's certainly more playable now, it's done a NMS. I suggest following an OP build, I personally liked melee and sniper sneaky gameplay, but there's a ton of everything.
OP build won't be a problem. I usually cheat in RPGs to skip pointless grinding or increase the diversity of options I have for normal gameplay.
Oh, I never felt like I was grinding you'll be fine, and it's super easy to get an OP build
How is a game that sold 18 million copies a flop? The only game of equivalent hype and relative cost to make the game that did better was GTAV. Even GTA4 did worse than Cyberpunk.
1. Statistics of bought copies is for copies bought by physical stores only.
2. All copies bought by gamers were refunded within 48 hours
3. Sony had to remove Cyberpunk from the PS4 because so many people were refunding it
4. User score of 0 on metacritic
5. It's widely accepted that Cyberpunk flopped like LMAO how do you not know this?
No, anon, the 18 million number is sales that weren't refunded. It's illegal to report to investors that you made a sale that was then nullified. We're talking a number taken over a year after the game came out. The rest of the shit you're talking about doesn't have anything to do with financial success. The game is literally just plain not a flop, it made a shitload of money as profit and the only game that's reasonably comparable that did better was GTAV.
>No, anon, the 18 million number is sales that weren't refunded. It's illegal to report to investors that you made a sale that was then nullified.
You made that up and I know it for a fact.
No, I didn't. Telling investors you made sales when you actually didn't make any money is illegal. You'd be required to tell investors a truthful account of expenditures and revenue in any circumstance, and yeah it actually is illegal to do otherwise.
If an investor asks how much of your data takes into account refunds and you don't give him a truthful answer, then it's investor fraud. This is why most investor reports don't report sales and instead report shipments. CDPR reports sales, not shipments.
What the frick even is this? Why are you simping for a game?
Nobody is simping, you're just making stuff up. In every post so far, apparently.
It fricking flopped.
You fricking want this to be true.
You want it to not be true for inexplicable reasons. I'm done assuming you have common knowledge.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-15/cd-projekt-founders-lose-1-billion-as-game-bugs-hurt-reputation#xj4y7vzkg
It was the biggest flop in gaming history.
>shares
moron
Jesus you're dumb
Why the frick are you pulling shit out of your ass?
>User score of 0 on metacritic
Why do you make shit up? Score on metacritic is solid.
Imagine being the first person to have sex in one of these
You think the engineers or the pilots do it first?
There are no female engineers. There are no female pilots.
Is it wrong I used to stare at her doing poses
That what they were for bro.
Wasn't that the whole point of it?
It was one of the main ways to raise your bond level with Quiet. Just zoom in on her until she looks back.
pure sex
cringe
>big ass fan on the back
Absolutely moronic
And why not? Replace a shitty rudder with something that makes it faster and allows it to aim while moving.
It let's them aim down and stay stationary unlike all other attack choppers
Also means you can go fast
>It let's them aim down and stay stationary unlike all other attack choppers
Articulating rocket pods have been a thing since the Vietnam war. Every apache has them. The rocket pods can move up and down to let the helicopter stay level while firing.
Be nice anon, he's Eastern European he's never heard of such amazing tech.
Try taking a look at its top speed, moron.
Well pack it in MIC bros. This anon knows better all of the highest paid and best engineers in the world. Should have consulted with him before the design was finished. Damn, we were so close...
believe it or not, this is what dropped off the SEALs in the OBL raid
You got any actual source for this claim?
yes my dad works for the CIA
>It came to me in a dream
Looks fancy
I love Big Black Copter
Slav dual rotor cringe.
Kino tilt rotor.
Dual rotors have existed long before the Russians made them
>two jet engines
>three rotors
It looks silly though. Like it needs too much shit to fly.
They're turbines
>not posting the video
I LOVE YOU, VALOR-CHAN!
If it had 4 rotors and could land with 2 in any configurations it would be viable.
This is deathtrap as is
You could say the exact same thing about conventional helicopters.
What aircraft could do that? Adding another two rotors just gives you twice the potential failure points, really
The SB-1 will win for a simple reason
Its footprint is the same as a Blackhawk
This by extension means the inevitable navalised variant will be able to be fielded in destroyer hangars for ASW duty in a ready to fly config where the Valor would need to be folded and stowed which prevents rapid response
A tilt rotor without a rear door cannot make full use of the cargo space making any benefit in long range haulage a quite moot point
You're assuming a lot. btw the tilt-rotor isn't be offered as a transport helicopter, but even in that case you'd still be wrong because tilt-rotors have far greater range (more than twice the range, looking at OP's two helicopters as prototypes) and neither of them will have meaningful differences in loading or unloading.
None of the proposed helicopters in the FVL program so far are meant as transport helicopters in the manner of the Chinook.
Tilt rotors do not actually have twice the range mate, that's comparing two vehicles 2ith very different fuel fractions and flight regimens
Choppers mechanically have a massive advantage in doing vertical anything, especially at high altitudes
The two helicopters being compared literally have more than twice the range discrepancy. And that's not counting the fact that the tilt-rotor is going to get an engine upgrade.
So is the sb1, and the Valor is massively larger/heavier
The SB1 is still going to have less than half of the range after engine upgrade.
>And that's not counting the fact that the tilt-rotor is going to get an engine upgrade
Aren't they both getting the T901 engine?
No, that's going into the SB-1. V-280 is getting the V-22's engines.
That sounds exactly like something a Bell salesman would say.
The proposed two helicopters are what we’re judging. The valor has twice the range and twice the flying speed. It’s unironically it’s biggest selling point. Get educated Chud
Pretty sure that double range and speed is compared to the Black Hawk, not the Defiant. I believe the Defiant-X claims 60% greater speed and range compared to the Black Hawk so it's still a large improvement plus can claim better maneuverability and smaller footprint.
Range is always a compromise, these tilt rotors get their longer range by loading way more fuel, which directly reduces payload
tilt rotors get their longer range by virtue of having wings, dude.
Those aren't wings they're fuel tanks for extra range
have a nice day
>being this sensitive about a joke
Im surprised you havent died of a stress induced heart attack already
Helicopter blades are wings
Zwuh? FLRAA, the second part of JVL, is literally a Blackhawk replacement. Bell is offering a tilt for FLRAA. Q.E.D.
Bell is *not* offering a tilt for FARA, the scout competition (formerlPDXNTy JVL-Light).
God damn she's thicc
The little propeller at the tail is CUTE
Im sold
Isn't the sheer height of the double rotors a problem in carrier hangars?
Oh yeah! Autogyros are comin back, baby!
They aren't autogyros
Someone is extremely upset that his moronic explanation of how the V-22 has a design flaw when it turns out that's just a problem with every helicopter didn't hold up.
OH and a reddit space because it makes him mad.
I wonder if people will think about how the Osprey has a low accident rate or his memes
😀
you forgot to reply to my post, but you still haven't provided a source
I don't give morons (you)'s, and you are the moron claiming the equipment as a problem that it really doesn't, without a source.
It's a known problem that helicopters fall several feet when they encounter sudden temperature drops in the air. All helicopters.
Have another reddit space, moron, since it's your favorite website.
sir where is your source?
I think both would be good.
>maybe they won't think I made the claim first and started screaming about sources when I got proven wrong
Imagine making a claim that a helicopter falls out of the sky because its propellers have problems with lift in temperature differentials and then starting to scream about sources concerning props in temperature differentials when you're wrong.
all i want is a source
You better post a source, then, moron, cause you made the claim.
im asking for a source how many times must you deflect your claim
I repeat,
give me just one source, it doesn't even need to be peer reviewed
Nope, repeating again
Do not scream for source when you made the original claim and won't post a source.
why is it so difficult for you to back up your claim with a source?
It's easy because I'm not post a claim, simply repeating .
Refuting a claim isn't a claim.
but to make a rebuttal is a claim and you provided nothing to back it up
Rebuttals are not claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterargument
Post a source or stop posting.
im not aware of any counterargument other than yours, you made a claim and now you must support it, or please kindly exit my thread
You think you're cute but I literally will just keep posting.
You claim the helicopter has a flaw that it doesn't (which really bothers you, because it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about). You didn't post a source backing up your claim. You then demand a source 9001 times.
Stop posting, being a contrarian isn't cute and you look moronic.
btw you're wrong about the V-22. That's all anyone will think about this after reading all of this. Just that you're wrong.
why are you flooding my thread with useless drivel, im asking you for a source so you should do so when requested
A second Cold War is heating up... maybe we can get both!
I don't know what you morons are screeching about, but the Osprey has a good safety record compared to most rotary wing aircraft in US service. Their mishap rate is surprisingly low. Still wouldn't want to fly one, though.
Hope the Defiant wins
t. whirlybird pilot.
I like SB>1/s-97 but the setup isn't going to have top speed as fast as the Osprey/V280, so would the range and maximum weight in flight.
I believe tail propeller would be better attack helicopter, being more agile as the angular moment for rolling is smaller than that of two tilt rotor, able to nose down without moving forward if the rear rotor can be set to reverse, a big thing for forward fixed weaponry, especially a big ass fixed gun as long as the body in spinal or sides for non-stop trolling ground forces with smaller forward cross-section. Tilt rotor can utilize differential thrust to compensate for rolling and directly tiling propeller to go forward, but the extended propeller probably gets in the way of firing angle easily.
If a conventional helicopter loses engine power, you can still land it with autorotation
If a plane loses engine power, you can glide it down
If an Osprey loses a single engine, you're dead
Any damage that would cause a double engine failure in the Osprey or Valor to where an autorotation was necessary would probably destroy the aircraft altogether.
The V-280 can fly on a single engine.
Expect the V-280 to win FLRAA and the Raider X to win FARA. I wish Sikorsky won both contracts but this is the most likely outcome unless there are serious maintenance issues wither either airframe.
Damn thing is HUEGELY TALL. As in, Navy won't even look at it because it won't fit in any hangars.
The gearbox is also titanically huge and complicated, taking up most of the volume under the rotors, which is the whole reason the usable volume is all in front of the rotor assembly.
It's gonna be a fricking nightmare for maintenance.
Thanks for outing yourself as moronic.
See pic related, the right engine is failed, so the remaining engine drives both proprotors through the interconnecting drive shaft.
Now you might say, "Anon, what if they get really lucky,and one RPG hits the engine, and one RPG takes out the ISS shaft the osprey will fall out of the sky"
Yes, that is true, if you hit those two critical systems its over.
Now compare it to the chinook: if you take an RPG to the the sync shaft on a chinook you're dead because the rotors collide.
wtf is with all the juice leaking out of the engines?
Is that topped off gear oil and is that normal?
its over
its over
tiltrotor is the future you boomers
Remember what they took from you
It's insane to think that even today that thing flies faster than every other helo out here.
It's even crazier that the systems that thing had back in the day made the cobra look like a ww1 plane by comparison. and it still lost.
Give me the rigid rotor system of the cheyenne, pump it full of the modern tech and give it a stealthier silhouette like the comanche has.
The guy who worked on the program said that there was a well-founded fear that the electronic innovation in the near future would make avionics obsolete even before the creation of the first combat-ready machine.
Okay but consider this: the Defiant is the ugliest fricking helicopter I've ever seen.
I wish it weren't true, but the tail fan really just kills it's already struggling aesthetics. It's an ugly duckling for sure, but it's technically fantastic
>ugliest fricking helicopter I've ever seen.
Isn't that the point of helicopters?
You shut your godamned mouth
Wrong pic but still good
My fiance's dad flew these in Iraq and said he preferred them to the Apache
I would too but I never flew .mil. it's the hotrod of the helicopter world, light, nimble and tons of available power. Apaches are like an escalade
I'm sure the extra visibility was great considering nobody was shooting missiles at him.
FRICK OFF with this homosexual meme of the Osprey being a death trap. It IS more crash-prone than other rotor aircraft in service, but it’s still a tiny amount. EVERY crash in any aircraft run by the US military goes through a highly detailed analysis to identify causes. In EVERY case there was a mechanical issue it’s been fixed. Most crashes simply comes down to human error. Probably not enough training specifically on tilt rotors.
This new tilt rotor was designed integrating all of those lessons-learned in the design itself making it significantly more reliable right from the start. Plus it has range and speed, irreplaceable benefits. Super digital wienerpit with loads of display meant to integrate into future battle space networks.
I think both these rotor aircraft will be acquired but for different missions.
You haven't heard about the problems Sikorsky has been having with rotor flex, have you? Until they can guarantee that they've fixed the problem for good, their design is considerably more dangerous than a tilt.
That fan on the back is most moronic thing I have ever seen, US is really slipping into total idiocracy.
>it’s moronic
Why
>Why
Because muh SOVLKINOASSTHETICS kiddies say so
What's wrong with the fan on the back? Other than the aesthetic appeal of course. It looks terrible
its using a part normally for stabilization as a way to also propel the aircraft for efficiency. pretty smart
I'm curious how they're going to integrate it into the control scheme. Maybe seamlessly integrated into the cyclic?
it all starts with the free body diagram
im sure they have it figured out
I meant for the pilot. Like how is the pilot going to control it
Frick Sirkorsky.
Bell is based.
What'd Sikorsky do to you? Also they're just lockheed martin whereas bell is just textron
Either way theyre an American mega Corp defense contractor.
>What'd Sikorsky do to you?
nothing at all. But of all the helicopters i've worked on, i liked Bells the most. Especially the 204/205s (Basically civilian Hueys)
Then I'd say your opinion of "Frick Sikorsky" is a bit extreme given your own experiences.
205's are a dream. To fly at least
you know what? You're right. i'll do it again
>i don't like sirkorsky
>i like bell
>i hope the weird lil tiltrotor guy gets many customers
maybe Tilt will be done right the first time the second time around, butt for me not having rear loading ramp to haul max objects like small vehicles or maybe modular medical room is a deal breaker.