The Allies most definitely announced D-Day, just not where they were going to land. They tried their hardest to trick the Germans that they were going to land further north and not at Normandy.
Same with Bagrations. Germans knew a Soviet attack would come but they guessed the area wrongly. Soviets made them believe the attack will target northern Ukraine instead of Belarus.
The allies had fake divisions and armies running radio chatter in the UK to support the diversion of where d-day would land. Patton was running it if I recall correctly.
There is no way they could hide the build up so they sought to confuse the Germans and lead them to the wrong conclusion, which worked.
it also helped that the germans were sure that any attack would need to go through calais to begin with, as it was the closest point to the UK and was also a major port
so the germans bought the counter-intelligence hook, line, and sinker because it fit in so well with their own assumptions
Allied intelligence leaked the actual D-day plans to the germans. They were mixed in with a bunch of obvious fakes though so that the germans thought it was a feint when reports started coming in
I'm not sure if Ukie Kherson Offensive was intended as a feint, but it did seem to have the effect of one.
imo Ukraine launched simultaneous northern and southern offensives after months of preparation. Southern in Kherson had only meager gains, north completely broke Russia and is now is allowing advances in the south.
i think it's a matter of logistics, again - Ukraine can push from more directions in the East. Kherson is a bottleneck, and well defended, and relatively small, and right next to Crimea, which has had time to build up Russian forces. the limited scope of the Kherson offensive is, so far, i think, more down to Russia's Crimean air assets still being able to threaten Ukrainian positions/salients.
It's probably more accurate to say that Ukraine did not expect Russia to turn "not losing at Kherson," an indefensible nothing city that is only really a symbolic victory or important if Russia wanted to try to take Odessa (lol), into their #1 priority at the expense of every other front
Kherson did not get 2/3rds or even 1/2 of the remaining Ukrainian army, but inexplicably Russia did commit something like 1/3rd to Kherson and start routing another 1/3rd to the South as reserves for Kherson
no feint is required, it's just Russia making a really shit decision against all expectations and Ukraine capitalizing on it for an *even bigger* propaganda win, bravo Russia
This most likely. Russians have a huge front to defend and they went full doomstack for propaganda reasons. I hope the Ukies will capture all that ammo and the soldiers.
u/k/openazis actually lost many tens of thousands to the kherson twitter offensive killing fields but the western media is trying to bury this information
What makes you think the russians didn't consider that as a possibility, and opened up their own trap in response? Ever wonder why they managed to produce a vacuum in the kharkiv front faster than the over-extended, undersupplied, and undergunned AFU forces could fill?
This is no rout- this was a planned orderly retreat, with the ukrops exactly in the ambush and kill zone areas the russians want them to be, and delusional NAFOtroony tourists that have infested this board since February are too busy celebrating early to even notice or consider that this all seems TOO suspiciously easy. Nevermind the fact that Russia still has tons and tons of equipment and reserve soldiers, and can overwhelm over-extended Ukrainian offenses when needed.
Still doesn't take away from the fact that none of this was a disorderly rout and that RU forces have ukrops in their sights along a salient where they can artilleryspam the everloving frick out of them like they did back in may and june, completely reversing the recent low-pop towns and villages captured that morons have been soifacing endlessly about.
Bbut sure, don't let facts get in the way of your shill narrative
What makes you think the russians didn't consider that as a possibility, and opened up their own trap in response? Ever wonder why they managed to produce a vacuum in the kharkiv front faster than the over-extended, undersupplied, and undergunned AFU forces could fill?
This is no rout- this was a planned orderly retreat, with the ukrops exactly in the ambush and kill zone areas the russians want them to be, and delusional NAFOtroony tourists that have infested this board since February are too busy celebrating early to even notice or consider that this all seems TOO suspiciously easy. Nevermind the fact that Russia still has tons and tons of equipment and reserve soldiers, and can overwhelm over-extended Ukrainian offenses when needed.
Poor Ukrainians are sandwiched between two rivers on their flanks and their own territory to the south. Those piggies will get slaughtered surely.
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Poor Ukrainians are sandwiched between two rivers on their flanks and their own territory to the south. Those piggies will get slaughtered surely.
My post was sarcastic, the Ukrainians almost couldn't ask for better geographic features on their flanks as the consolodate their recent gains in Kharkiv.
Artillery doesn't care for fixed defenses along geographic features, no matter how convenient- they will all end up in dust and strewn UA bodies regardless. You conveniently forget this fact
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They're gonna shell a river?
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Is filthy Onkranian river, comradski, so we be of denazifying it with glorious Russian bodies, same as of flagship and dirty Holol sea.
Just ignore the thousands of tons of supplies and hundreds of intact vehicles left behind to be captured. Just ignore that the freakin' theatre CO got caught, and that they subsequently fired the next guy in charge of it all. Jsut ignore that the Ukrainians literally overran the mian supply and communciations hub in the entire theatre, making any kind of concerted counterattack logistically impossible. Just ignore that all this happened mere days before the arrival of Raspubreastsa and maneuver warfare becoming nigh-impossible in the theatre for weeks to come.
LMAO. This was as orderly a withdrawal as the fricking yanks did at Bladensburg.
Ive seen this dumbass claiming the reinforcements were actually a successful delaying action
Yeah a delaying action that lasted a day, if that
Then theres this bizarre cope that came up the day before the russians announced the retreat, some absolutely delusional people were claiming russia somehow airlifted 10000 troops behind Ukrainian lines and the Ukis were surrounded, then the russians basically admitted defeat the next day and the talk about the 10000 VDV disappeared
>What makes you think the russians didn't consider that as a possibility, and opened up their own trap in response?
Putin's emotional response for one.
The man has only one way to vent his anger and try to appear strong: murder.
Every single time something fricking awful happens to Russia, Snake Island, the fighter jets in Crimea being destroyed, it's always followed by sudden, pointless missile strikes against railways, schools, shopping malls, or some other civilian target, or the "suicide" of a critic who wouldn't shut up, or the "assassination by Ukrainian Nazis" of a nobody he can throw away for propaganda spin.
Putin has precisely the same mentality as Adolf Hitler and he's in pretty much the same state in terms of his career. He knows the end is near, he can't afford to look weak or his own people will eat him alive, so he murders people to appear strong. He can't push a button and make Ukraine lose, pushing a button and murdering Ukrainian civilians is all he CAN do, so that's what he does. Every single time.
Even now his shills are spreading the good word about how he blew up power stations to try and show what a hard man he is, the sycophantic preening from his propagandist tools is what he's after, like a conductor leading a symphony, each shill knows how to follow his movements and says their prepared lines accordingly, giving him the public image boost he needs and soothing his own frail ego.
That's a lot of words to say basically you have no answer and are just content with spouting nonsensical, verbal diarrhea 24/7.
You are right on one thing though, and it's that the gloves are now off. Russia has eliminated >60% of Ukraine's power grid in the span of hours, while Ukraine celebrates over capturing some backwater towns. Totally sustainable!
The Russian army is collapsing and you still think it’s winning?
I’m curious, at what point would you consider the Russian military to be a failure? Is there something that could happen to make you think, “wow, they really are a corrupt shithole that’s full of ineptitude and drunkenness” ?
Never. The only thing that moves faster than Russians in retreat are the shills' goalposts. You can really tell it's bad though because the rabidly nationalistic milbloggers who are freaking out.
>The Russian army is collapsing and you still think it’s winning?
One small area getting ceded to the other side is not 'collapsing', that's just you falling for westoid propaganda. Russia can easily tap into their operational rear reserves and artyspam the hastily formed ukrainian defenses. None of this is settled, there will be a back and forth going on
What's tha big blob of patrisan activity, it actually loks very interestingly plaved, basically cutting the russian linews full meaning they have to go through it.
>the gloves are off now
I mean, I can pretty easily imagine what that means, but claiming all that rape and pillage and jackbooted 3am disappearing was "gloves on" is a bold play. We'll have to see how the judges react.
This shit stopped being believable months ago, let alone when the counter offensive started. I don't believe for a second that any actual vatniks still come to this board. Stop larping just for Yous you fricking morons, or at least come up with funnier ways to do it.
>Anything I don't like is bait!
Explain to me why, if this was the military disaster you and other shills claim it to be, there hasn't been footage of mass surrenders on the RU side? Recall back in april how every moron was claiming that kiev was a rout rather than a planned orderly retreat
I think this too
The retreat was way too quick and efficient for it to be a spare of the moment decision
They knew a counter offensive was coming and have pulled back to strike
>This is no rout- this was a planned orderly retreat,
Dude, 400+ lost vehicles, some of which are basically brand new. Hundreds of dead and captured orcs. If that's an "orderly retreat" in your book, I don't even
It can be both at the same time. I think everyone called that Kherson was an obvious effort to draw as much combat power as possible into an area where the conditions were most favorable for it to be degraded and least likely to cause problems. What shocked me and many others was just how porous Russian lines were and that Ukraine had a mechanized dagger to the heart ready to go. I'd also add that most offensives in this war have been measured in weeks-months and Kherson is less than 2 weeks since the official jumping off. Too early for a post mortem.
It wasn't a feint. More troops with better equipment were and are deployed towards Kherson than were ever deployed towards Kharkiv. Kherson has the best of Ukrainian equipment. Kharkiv was taken with infantry in humvees and civilian vehicles. There was no strategic trick, the Russians are just falling apart at the seams.
NAFO shill identified
Reminder that russia has over 1+ million active duty and can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time (which seems to be about soon, now that their patience has been tested).
How's kherson by the way? Still stalling after 3 months of declared counter-offensives (but for real this time)? 🙂
russia didnt even have enough T-34s for a parade, they were the first thing they handed out to their client states once the T-55 was introduced
this is also why you saw T-62s in service when the T-55 was more common, the soviets were giving away their T-55s as fast as they could make T-72s but no one wanted the T-62 other than the arabs
the deep stocks of the soviets would be the T-72 ural, the T-72A, and the modernized T-62
the latter two of which have already been spotted
They actually have some T-34s right now, assuming they didn't end up in some oligarch's private collection. They bought functional ones from active Laotian service a few years ago so they could use them in modern propaganda, so they weren't even demilled.
>has over 1+ million active duty and can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time
We're waiting... >How's kherson by the way?
How's your entire northern front by the way? Still collapsing?
>can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time
Oh no! Please don't take the gloves off! Please don't raise the eyebrow!!! Anything but that!
>hows kherson by the way?
so your response to an incredibly successful lightning offensive erasing 4 months of gains in 4 days the north is to point out that they have ANOTHER offensive slowly taking ground from you in the south, but because its not taking ground from you quite as fast you can brag about it?
whats wrong with you?
I know this is a bait but let's reply anyway.
Russia CAN'T overwhelm and deploy the whole 1 million active duty? Why?
Because their logistics can barely handle the current amount of troops.
moron identified
Reminder the russian logistics are so shit, they have trouble properly supplying what troops they have in Ukraine already and that throwing in more untrained reservist cannonfodder will only make it worse.
Also, LMAO. Kherson has seen more territory taken back by the Ukrainians over the last month than the Russians took in Donbass in the last five months.
>Did the Allies D-Day before it happened?
Yes, sort of. Allies created 2 entirely fake armies to the North as well as send messages with this info using encryption methods they knew the Germans had already cracked. This was done multiple times as well, and the Germans fell for it every time. They did it for the Southern invasion of France, Sicily, etc.
>but only few of you guessed that Kherson was a trap
People pointed out Ukraine can blow the bridges when they get in range all the fricking time. It was always going to be a matter of whether they wanted to preserve the bridges for Crimea invasion and only blow them if the doomstacks are more trouble than they're worth fighting head on or blow them for massive supply and morale damage outright or try and rush around the city from the north to take the bridges before the fight and force a panic (sup Izyum).
The bridges were always going to be key to Kherson and the trap play was one of the 3 obvious options.
You know, i don't know why either side has been announcing all their battle maneuvers before under taking them.
I don't think there has been a single push, operation, offensive, counter offensive etc that hasn't been announced on fricking twitter a day or even a week prior to it fricking happening.
It's mad.
Pure insanity.
Imagine if the allies posted their plans to land on the beaches of Normandy the day before the landings.
Abobawde clown show. Anyone believing this is a real fight and not a pantomime is an idiot.
I'm pretty sure anyone with their head on straight saw that it was a trick. The question is how much of a trick is it. Looks like it's less a decoy and more straight up baiting the bulk of the enemy into a disadvantageous position to grind them down.
It wasn't a 'feint' per se, the actions being taken in Kherson are done with the intention of eventually reclaiming the city.
The trick was hyping up one offensive while discreetly building up others. The end result was two offensives, one slow and grinding another fast and dynamic.
The Allies most definitely announced D-Day, just not where they were going to land. They tried their hardest to trick the Germans that they were going to land further north and not at Normandy.
i kneel to Agent Garbo
Same with Bagrations. Germans knew a Soviet attack would come but they guessed the area wrongly. Soviets made them believe the attack will target northern Ukraine instead of Belarus.
Dieppe was a feint
It’s incredibly that the entire eastern Ukraine front has collapsed in just a week. All that remains is the south
The allies had fake divisions and armies running radio chatter in the UK to support the diversion of where d-day would land. Patton was running it if I recall correctly.
There is no way they could hide the build up so they sought to confuse the Germans and lead them to the wrong conclusion, which worked.
it also helped that the germans were sure that any attack would need to go through calais to begin with, as it was the closest point to the UK and was also a major port
so the germans bought the counter-intelligence hook, line, and sinker because it fit in so well with their own assumptions
It was a feint
brilliant
I knew, I was just keeping opsec to help them out. I'm basically a hero
fricking-a man
that's bad ass
wish i could keep opsec but if anyone tells me shit im posting it on telegram
Black person you didn't know shit. You don't know shit. Where is your father rn? Opsec that
I kneel
Allied intelligence leaked the actual D-day plans to the germans. They were mixed in with a bunch of obvious fakes though so that the germans thought it was a feint when reports started coming in
There are vatniks still coping about the Kherson counteroffensive being a complete failure, I shit you not. They are not clever men.
And even then the Ukrainians were able to take more land in Kherson than Russia was able to take in two months.
>inb4 3000 dead oinkers in kherson cope
I'm not sure if Ukie Kherson Offensive was intended as a feint, but it did seem to have the effect of one.
imo Ukraine launched simultaneous northern and southern offensives after months of preparation. Southern in Kherson had only meager gains, north completely broke Russia and is now is allowing advances in the south.
i think it's a matter of logistics, again - Ukraine can push from more directions in the East. Kherson is a bottleneck, and well defended, and relatively small, and right next to Crimea, which has had time to build up Russian forces. the limited scope of the Kherson offensive is, so far, i think, more down to Russia's Crimean air assets still being able to threaten Ukrainian positions/salients.
for now.
It's probably more accurate to say that Ukraine did not expect Russia to turn "not losing at Kherson," an indefensible nothing city that is only really a symbolic victory or important if Russia wanted to try to take Odessa (lol), into their #1 priority at the expense of every other front
Kherson did not get 2/3rds or even 1/2 of the remaining Ukrainian army, but inexplicably Russia did commit something like 1/3rd to Kherson and start routing another 1/3rd to the South as reserves for Kherson
no feint is required, it's just Russia making a really shit decision against all expectations and Ukraine capitalizing on it for an *even bigger* propaganda win, bravo Russia
So what you're saying is that r*ssians are gullible and have no idea what they're doing?
This most likely. Russians have a huge front to defend and they went full doomstack for propaganda reasons. I hope the Ukies will capture all that ammo and the soldiers.
u/k/openazis actually lost many tens of thousands to the kherson twitter offensive killing fields but the western media is trying to bury this information
Mucho oblungo
What makes you think the russians didn't consider that as a possibility, and opened up their own trap in response? Ever wonder why they managed to produce a vacuum in the kharkiv front faster than the over-extended, undersupplied, and undergunned AFU forces could fill?
This is no rout- this was a planned orderly retreat, with the ukrops exactly in the ambush and kill zone areas the russians want them to be, and delusional NAFOtroony tourists that have infested this board since February are too busy celebrating early to even notice or consider that this all seems TOO suspiciously easy. Nevermind the fact that Russia still has tons and tons of equipment and reserve soldiers, and can overwhelm over-extended Ukrainian offenses when needed.
yeah, thats why they published propaganda videos of "reinforcements" heading to Kupiyansk and Izium, then abandon both the next day. totally planned
Still doesn't take away from the fact that none of this was a disorderly rout and that RU forces have ukrops in their sights along a salient where they can artilleryspam the everloving frick out of them like they did back in may and june, completely reversing the recent low-pop towns and villages captured that morons have been soifacing endlessly about.
Bbut sure, don't let facts get in the way of your shill narrative
Poor Ukrainians are sandwiched between two rivers on their flanks and their own territory to the south. Those piggies will get slaughtered surely.
Keep looking at the pretty flowers Ivan, that's it....
lmao cope
My post was sarcastic, the Ukrainians almost couldn't ask for better geographic features on their flanks as the consolodate their recent gains in Kharkiv.
Artillery doesn't care for fixed defenses along geographic features, no matter how convenient- they will all end up in dust and strewn UA bodies regardless. You conveniently forget this fact
They're gonna shell a river?
Is filthy Onkranian river, comradski, so we be of denazifying it with glorious Russian bodies, same as of flagship and dirty Holol sea.
>salient
mate the front has been blown wide open
cope and sneed subhuman. Western weapons will flow and flow and flow and flow and flow
>none of this was a disorderly rout
Yes, yes, it was totally an orderly withdrawal.
Just ignore the thousands of tons of supplies and hundreds of intact vehicles left behind to be captured. Just ignore that the freakin' theatre CO got caught, and that they subsequently fired the next guy in charge of it all. Jsut ignore that the Ukrainians literally overran the mian supply and communciations hub in the entire theatre, making any kind of concerted counterattack logistically impossible. Just ignore that all this happened mere days before the arrival of Raspubreastsa and maneuver warfare becoming nigh-impossible in the theatre for weeks to come.
LMAO. This was as orderly a withdrawal as the fricking yanks did at Bladensburg.
Ive seen this dumbass claiming the reinforcements were actually a successful delaying action
Yeah a delaying action that lasted a day, if that
Then theres this bizarre cope that came up the day before the russians announced the retreat, some absolutely delusional people were claiming russia somehow airlifted 10000 troops behind Ukrainian lines and the Ukis were surrounded, then the russians basically admitted defeat the next day and the talk about the 10000 VDV disappeared
For a second I thought they painted the old ford v8 symbol on the side.
>BMP powered by a flathead ford
>What makes you think the russians didn't consider that as a possibility, and opened up their own trap in response?
Putin's emotional response for one.
The man has only one way to vent his anger and try to appear strong: murder.
Every single time something fricking awful happens to Russia, Snake Island, the fighter jets in Crimea being destroyed, it's always followed by sudden, pointless missile strikes against railways, schools, shopping malls, or some other civilian target, or the "suicide" of a critic who wouldn't shut up, or the "assassination by Ukrainian Nazis" of a nobody he can throw away for propaganda spin.
Putin has precisely the same mentality as Adolf Hitler and he's in pretty much the same state in terms of his career. He knows the end is near, he can't afford to look weak or his own people will eat him alive, so he murders people to appear strong. He can't push a button and make Ukraine lose, pushing a button and murdering Ukrainian civilians is all he CAN do, so that's what he does. Every single time.
Even now his shills are spreading the good word about how he blew up power stations to try and show what a hard man he is, the sycophantic preening from his propagandist tools is what he's after, like a conductor leading a symphony, each shill knows how to follow his movements and says their prepared lines accordingly, giving him the public image boost he needs and soothing his own frail ego.
That's a lot of words to say basically you have no answer and are just content with spouting nonsensical, verbal diarrhea 24/7.
You are right on one thing though, and it's that the gloves are now off. Russia has eliminated >60% of Ukraine's power grid in the span of hours, while Ukraine celebrates over capturing some backwater towns. Totally sustainable!
cope shill
Ok comrade copenovich, you knocked down the power, whats the next step in your master plan?
You ARE going to follow it up with something right? Otherwise is pointless vengeance
The Russian army is collapsing and you still think it’s winning?
I’m curious, at what point would you consider the Russian military to be a failure? Is there something that could happen to make you think, “wow, they really are a corrupt shithole that’s full of ineptitude and drunkenness” ?
Never. The only thing that moves faster than Russians in retreat are the shills' goalposts. You can really tell it's bad though because the rabidly nationalistic milbloggers who are freaking out.
>The Russian army is collapsing and you still think it’s winning?
One small area getting ceded to the other side is not 'collapsing', that's just you falling for westoid propaganda. Russia can easily tap into their operational rear reserves and artyspam the hastily formed ukrainian defenses. None of this is settled, there will be a back and forth going on
>One small area getting ceded
lmao even
What's tha big blob of patrisan activity, it actually loks very interestingly plaved, basically cutting the russian linews full meaning they have to go through it.
Isn't that Melitopol?
>le powerstashun bombed
>oh no I can't use my microwave
>oh wait we're at war anyways
>Ukrainian power stations weren't knocked out on the first hour of the first day
[Laughs in American]
>the gloves are off now
I mean, I can pretty easily imagine what that means, but claiming all that rape and pillage and jackbooted 3am disappearing was "gloves on" is a bold play. We'll have to see how the judges react.
>spouting nonsensical, verbal diarrhea 24/7.
Oh what you've been doing all thread :^)
Why do all vatniks type like this, like they're trying so fricking hard to sound smart?
I mean, putin is doing with his cruise missiles more or less the same shit hitler was doing with the V2s, pointless and expensive savagery
At this point is beyond obvious the Ukrainian will to fight is not going to be broken by these attacks, if anything it just pisses them off more
Very well written, especially after seeing months of back and forth shit posting muddying the waters of logical reasoning
They all are so old and demoralized... how pootin dreamed win a war it it that excuse of an army.
This shit stopped being believable months ago, let alone when the counter offensive started. I don't believe for a second that any actual vatniks still come to this board. Stop larping just for Yous you fricking morons, or at least come up with funnier ways to do it.
>Anything I don't like is bait!
Explain to me why, if this was the military disaster you and other shills claim it to be, there hasn't been footage of mass surrenders on the RU side? Recall back in april how every moron was claiming that kiev was a rout rather than a planned orderly retreat
I refuse to believe anyone can have his head up his own ass this deep.
you know everything is going according to plan when the guy in charge is fired
I think this too
The retreat was way too quick and efficient for it to be a spare of the moment decision
They knew a counter offensive was coming and have pulled back to strike
>This is no rout- this was a planned orderly retreat,
Dude, 400+ lost vehicles, some of which are basically brand new. Hundreds of dead and captured orcs. If that's an "orderly retreat" in your book, I don't even
It can be both at the same time. I think everyone called that Kherson was an obvious effort to draw as much combat power as possible into an area where the conditions were most favorable for it to be degraded and least likely to cause problems. What shocked me and many others was just how porous Russian lines were and that Ukraine had a mechanized dagger to the heart ready to go. I'd also add that most offensives in this war have been measured in weeks-months and Kherson is less than 2 weeks since the official jumping off. Too early for a post mortem.
It wasn't a feint. More troops with better equipment were and are deployed towards Kherson than were ever deployed towards Kharkiv. Kherson has the best of Ukrainian equipment. Kharkiv was taken with infantry in humvees and civilian vehicles. There was no strategic trick, the Russians are just falling apart at the seams.
Pretty sure it was never "announced". It may have been leaked but not announced. Twitter is not a good source for news.
Where are the pictures of captured and dead Russians?
I've seen a fair bit. There was an awful one where the inside of van looked like someone put a steak in a blender
link?
Other than a handful of stragglers? Nothing. Note how anyone making that claim fails to produce any sort of credible proof
>spouts literal Russhit propaganda
>calls other shill
lmao kys
Nice PR Ivan!
Where'd you find this gorgeous Blonde??
Cum /chug/ger identified
NAFO shill identified
Reminder that russia has over 1+ million active duty and can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time (which seems to be about soon, now that their patience has been tested).
How's kherson by the way? Still stalling after 3 months of declared counter-offensives (but for real this time)? 🙂
Damn looks like they are gonna have to fire up the T34s this time around
russia didnt even have enough T-34s for a parade, they were the first thing they handed out to their client states once the T-55 was introduced
this is also why you saw T-62s in service when the T-55 was more common, the soviets were giving away their T-55s as fast as they could make T-72s but no one wanted the T-62 other than the arabs
the deep stocks of the soviets would be the T-72 ural, the T-72A, and the modernized T-62
the latter two of which have already been spotted
They actually have some T-34s right now, assuming they didn't end up in some oligarch's private collection. They bought functional ones from active Laotian service a few years ago so they could use them in modern propaganda, so they weren't even demilled.
>T-72A
Russia has already deployed those.
>has over 1+ million active duty and can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time
We're waiting...
>How's kherson by the way?
How's your entire northern front by the way? Still collapsing?
>can easily overwhelm the ukies if they wanted to stop playing nice at any time
Oh no! Please don't take the gloves off! Please don't raise the eyebrow!!! Anything but that!
So Russia chose to send insufficient forces and get bogged down for months when they could have won already? WHY WOULD THEY EVER CHOOSE TO DO THAT?
>WHY WOULD THEY EVER CHOOSE TO DO THAT?
Clearly you don't understand deep battle doctrine
>hows kherson by the way?
so your response to an incredibly successful lightning offensive erasing 4 months of gains in 4 days the north is to point out that they have ANOTHER offensive slowly taking ground from you in the south, but because its not taking ground from you quite as fast you can brag about it?
whats wrong with you?
You will never be white.
I know this is a bait but let's reply anyway.
Russia CAN'T overwhelm and deploy the whole 1 million active duty? Why?
Because their logistics can barely handle the current amount of troops.
> How's kherson ?
> Operation Husky
> How's Greece ?
moron identified
Reminder the russian logistics are so shit, they have trouble properly supplying what troops they have in Ukraine already and that throwing in more untrained reservist cannonfodder will only make it worse.
Also, LMAO. Kherson has seen more territory taken back by the Ukrainians over the last month than the Russians took in Donbass in the last five months.
>Did the Allies D-Day before it happened?
Yes, sort of. Allies created 2 entirely fake armies to the North as well as send messages with this info using encryption methods they knew the Germans had already cracked. This was done multiple times as well, and the Germans fell for it every time. They did it for the Southern invasion of France, Sicily, etc.
>but only few of you guessed that Kherson was a trap
People pointed out Ukraine can blow the bridges when they get in range all the fricking time. It was always going to be a matter of whether they wanted to preserve the bridges for Crimea invasion and only blow them if the doomstacks are more trouble than they're worth fighting head on or blow them for massive supply and morale damage outright or try and rush around the city from the north to take the bridges before the fight and force a panic (sup Izyum).
The bridges were always going to be key to Kherson and the trap play was one of the 3 obvious options.
I knew I just didn't say anything
We here on /k/ are top minds
We do not believe in feints
You know, i don't know why either side has been announcing all their battle maneuvers before under taking them.
I don't think there has been a single push, operation, offensive, counter offensive etc that hasn't been announced on fricking twitter a day or even a week prior to it fricking happening.
It's mad.
Pure insanity.
Imagine if the allies posted their plans to land on the beaches of Normandy the day before the landings.
Abobawde clown show. Anyone believing this is a real fight and not a pantomime is an idiot.
Russia didn't even tell its own soldiers they were going to invade. Of course it was impossible to hide from nato intelligence anyway, but they tried.
And it's not like this very thread isn't a counterexample either. Ukraine didn't say they were attacking anywhere except Kherson beforehand.
I'm pretty sure anyone with their head on straight saw that it was a trick. The question is how much of a trick is it. Looks like it's less a decoy and more straight up baiting the bulk of the enemy into a disadvantageous position to grind them down.
It wasn't a 'feint' per se, the actions being taken in Kherson are done with the intention of eventually reclaiming the city.
The trick was hyping up one offensive while discreetly building up others. The end result was two offensives, one slow and grinding another fast and dynamic.
And by the time of Kharkiv offensive there is a Moscow Anniversary. Creating even more distressed among people. If Kherson isn't a feint then idk.
>lives in the west
>chugs for russia
Is that the same prostitute that lost her job or was that another one?
She got deported back to Russia and cried about how unfair it was lmao
Many such cases
I've been reflecting on this poster, is the irony lost on him?
I think there was no feint and Ukrainians launched two legitimate offensives simultaneously, one more succesful than the other
The real feint is that the Kherson offensive is not a feint after all.
fun thread in hindsight
https://archived.moe/k/thread/54972058
Warboss kunnin'
Umies take dirt but warboss plan
Know where umies do and plan against
Waaagh still on.