In preparation for the fiscal year 2024 comptroller defense spending report to drop in April let’s revisit last years report.
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2023/FY2023_Weapons.pdf
In preparation for the fiscal year 2024 comptroller defense spending report to drop in April lets revisit last years report.
61 f35s received across all services.
Oh boy, another 60 useless f35's, just what we need to strike fear into the hearts of Russia and China!
>60 useless planes for the airforce, courtesy of the MIC
>while the us army only gets another 6 new chinooks for the entire year
>f15's instead of f22's
MIC and special interest morons are destroying the readiness of the military.
Oh you’re one of those
>f35 plane is best plane! buy more!
>w-what, you say it isnt, you're an actual organic person? oh you're one of those!
Cool greenmemes, definitely suaded me.
>p-please buy more f35's
Do you at least get paid for this? How many MIC shekels do you get per post?
>being this obvious
Don't spend it all on your favorite ramen pack. MIC needs you to cut today's lunch break short, Schlomo.
you're retarded so i'm going to post images at you until you shut up
>s-stop shitting on my shit shill thread
>a-also, write congressman to buy more f35!
You're the one (you)'ing me seething that I dared to point out the absurdity of the purchases and priority. Keep PrepHoleoping you retarded low-paid fucking shill.
mhmm
>i-im not a mic-shilling garden gnome!!!
>behaves like a mic-shilling garden gnome
>posts unrelated random bizarre images and talks like a confused schizo in his replies
>starts posting coom pictures
Come on, just tell me your shekel rate per post. Quit being a lil bitch about it. Why are you so uppity and touchy about it?
i'm giving your posts exactly the respect they deserve, that's not being a schizo and you might actually get a gf or friends if you come to terms with this
You’re the one who got so emotional about the US buying a bunch of good planes. Your favorite nation didn’t receive that many planes last year. Your favorite nation doesn’t even have 60 5th generation fighters in total. I understand why you lashed out
He's a seething Russian military shill, likely assigned to this Japanese-American backwater anime board to ensure that it's posters do not become too uppity and challenge the American MIC and it's procurement of glorious F35, greatest plane of all planes that beat all planes like they not even plane!
hey stop posting so much 🙁
Mate you think fucking chinooks are vital army procurements needed in the dozens hahahaha what year is it gramps?
>mate
Opinion discarded. Come back when American and have been in the military. Go grab some tidepods to snack on and settle down, zoom zoom.
So what’s wrong with the F-35? Don’t use the words shlomo or MIC.
>s-stop calling me my names
Lol
Lmao
Thought so
>7am on the west coast
>3pm in moscow
Hm
>f35 number one!!!!
>y-you're a russian bot!
Lol
Lmao
Lmfao
>7am on the west coast
Bruh it's not even 7am on the east coast, 5 more minutes
I’m retarded and got weast and est confused
It's easy to get such time zones and their current times mixed up all the way from Tel Aviv. I've done it once or twice myself.
Just one reason Ivan. I believe in you
Larping as a zogbot helps your credibility as retarded but not on why the F35 is “bad”
>suckles the F-22
>shits on the F-35
strange. just 20 years ago reformertards like you caused the cancellation of the F-22 because the F-15 was obviously better and stealth was a meme
t.
Fuck that’s impressive. In one year the US took possession of more 5th generation jets than any other nation has in total. Production is really ramping up because this number doesn’t even include the planes sold to other customers. Sometimes I forget just how much of an export success the f35 is
F35 is literally the best fighter jet in the entire world. No other jet holds a candle to it and can defeat it. Russian bots are furious that nations are getting their hands on the most advanced and most capable fighter jets in the entire world to resist their wars of aggression.
I know that. I’m just pointing out how crazy it is that we took possession of over 60 of them last year. It’s even making bug people seethe itt
What's crazier is that we didn't take possession of even more. We need to phase out production of every other plane and produce solely F35's. They are literally the greatest fighter jet in the world, and we are wasting money with purchasing 50 year old buckets of bolts! Why would we even purchase that many of these old planes when the F35 is superior in every single way... I'm going to write my congressman about this immediately on Lockheed Martin's behalf, and everyone else here should as well.
do you take printouts of these posts to your psychiatrist?
Why are you bringing up psychatrists? Did you have a recent appointment with one, Schlomo? Did she tell you to take your meds, schizo? How did this recent psychiatrist appointment go, can you please tell us what she said was the reason for your behavior?
apparently being sexually attracted to the nozzles of an f-35 is unhealthy, i disagree but the valium she gives me is pretty nice
how about you?
Personally, it's the Rolls-Royce LiftSystem for me. The things I would do to that if I could get to it with a bottle of lube, after getting past these anti-semites that keep denying my TS clearance and access to the manufacturing plant. I'm Israeli but also American. I don't understand why they deny. My people never steal secret from America and are literally greatest ally.
sure
5 new c-130s entered service
The Air Force transferred some reapers over to the marines.
3 of the newest variant of global hawk and funding for a new operations base
6 more chinooks for the army
53 black hawks
First 4 MQ-25 stealthy aerial refueling drones
5 E-2Ds. This is part of the reason our navy is so powerful
>casually builds the entire operational fleet of Russian AEW in one year
We recently announced we are buying a whole fleet of like 25-30 of the new E-7A that Australia and South Korea bought.
that's cool too, but setting aside the money in ONE YEAR is kind of a step above announcing the intent to purchase, YKWIM?
10 of the best heavy lift helicopters in the world, the CH-53K
This is what makes america so powerful. No one else even comes close to producing this number of logistical vehicles. I believe this years production of aerial refuelers is more than china has all together
15 KC-46 tankers. No other Air Force even comes close to the number of tankers the US has
24 f15-EX
>24 f15-EX
>12 F-15E mods
I don't think those are the same thing? it says the E's are getting new radar but not the rest of the EX package. Don't misrepresent the report, it makes you look bad and you don't gain anything by doing so. F-15E with modern radar is still lightyears ahead of any of the competition.
>12 F-15E mods
Huh? Where'd you get that from?
All I see in terms of quantity for fiscal year 2023 in the paper posted is procurement of 24 F-15EX units.
I'm reading 24 F-15EX no specified number for F-15E mods just $$ value
sorry I apparently am too retarded to read a simple table. but can't delete my old post so I have to live with the shame until the thread dies
No problem, we all have these moments sometimes.
A'rite. I'll take that at face value. Please don't take
personally, just a general rant at anyone trolling the dumb through these threads to derail them. There's been so much of that recently I can no longer filter out the usual brainfarts. Peace & carry on.
Fair play, it happens sometimes, anon.
right after my first post I had something to eat, came back and re-read the thread and just felt immense pain from realising how fucking stupid I looked.
Do not post on an empty stomach.
Is a simple table like that too complex for you?
10 combat rescue helicopters
5 grey wolf helicopters for defending domestic nuclear sites
>helicopter based on AW139
>made by Leonardo
>primary contractor: the boeing company
fucking lol
It looks like procurement numbers are winding down, despite an increase in the budget, what's going on? Are the sustainment costs that high?
Captcha:YAYM8
They’re only winding down on things that are sufficiently stocked. We haven’t even gotten to the ammo procurement
Shit, right. I only saw aircraft on the list so I thought it was an airforce thing
>24 f15ex
>60 fucking f35s
If this is winding down, then we can wind down.
You came to that conclusion by viewing 8 slides of projects with procurement numbers planned out years in advance? What exactly are you worried is winding down? Be very specific I would like to address your concern
See
Just a retard ESL moment, don't mind me. I meant airframes across the board
Anon, this is what was delivered in 2022. It was all ordered & planned out before vatnikstan chimped out. Wait until March 2025 and compare to what was delivered during 2023 and 2024 before trying to read any trends into reaction to Putin's Folly.
Specifically, watch for equipment distributed outside of U.S. forces (e.g. all the shit going to Ukraine, and all our other allies in NATO and the EU). You need to find a different report for that because it all (almost entirely) comes out of existing stocks that were delivered to U.S. forces between 1990 and 2021. None of which will show up in these reports.
It takes a truly vatnik-tier level of fundamental stupid to look at deliverables to the U.S. internally in 2022 and somehow conclude "omygarrshk! t3h America is running out of t3h monies and shooty stuffs!" The deliverables reports for the next decade will show (by what it replaces) what was shipped out of existing stock during 2022 & 2023.
> t. this ride hasn't even left the station yet, and nothing is going to stop it now that it's started
3700 JLTVs procured this year or about 10 a day
That seems like a lot
They're replacing all of the hmmvws
A lot happening with abrams. 4 brigades updated to sepv3, 22 tanks to sepv4 standards, 3rd gen thermal sights added. I have to say I’m loving this
>sepv4
Does anyone know what updates does it provide over v3?
Also actuall good thread OP, thanks.
Thanks. It’s a break from my usual making fun of British armored vehicle posting
3rd generation thermal for gunner and commander
Laser rangefinder for CITV, Laser warning reciever
+ other things
This easily makes it the best tank in the world again
How did the Abrams jump from $13 million in FY 2021 to $29 Million in FY 2023? Does this table conflate different upgrade packages?
Of course, previous years were paying to upgrade to SEPv3
Now it's SEPv4, the cost will come down with time just like the SEPv3 originally and the SEPv2 before that.
https://www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72/Documents/BudgetMaterial/2023/Base%20Budget/Procurement/WTCV_ARMY_II.pdf#page=109&zoom=page-fit,-162,612
>Please Note: An error was made during system update and the FY 2023 quantity reflected on the Exhibit P-40 Resource Summary and Secondary Distribution should be 44 vs 22. The system will be updated at a later date to reflect the true quantity.
fat fingers
>the US is going to own the worlds largest fleet of tanks fully upgraded with third generation thermals by an order of magnitude
>my country uses an IFV that feeds from a clip and doesn’t have a stabilized gun
72 APCs
160 medium trucks. Love stroking that logistics dick
But how many pallets anon? Those are the real wunderwaffe
>how many pallets
[OpSec] *redacted*
Nobody has the clearance to see those numbers. Nobody.
180 heavy transport trucks
Good stuff happening with Stryker too. The 30mm unmanned turret dragoon is being procured. Atgm variants featuring CROWs-J (javelin) also being procured
love it. 30mm bushmaster fucks. I'd love to see a higher ROF though.
Can't wait to see the NGSW-R (XM7/M7) order for 2024 so all the retards saying it'll get canceled will finally shut the fuck up.
74 amphibious assault vehicles
3 additional THAAD batteries
i'm confused by this - why did we add 32 in 2022 and 39 in 2021, but only 3 in 2023?
Could've been the tail end delivery of a 5-10 year procurement contract.
Anon you are reading this wrong, this is 3 THAAD missiles, not 3 batteries. Yes the missiles are about 10 mil a pop.
SM-3s
Beefing up patriot
>phased array tracking radar to intercept of target
How much do you think they pay people for those acronyms?
>phone poster not even fucking cropping images
have a nice day. You aren't smart and your thread is fucking gay.
Looks like only one imagine in the entire thread isn’t cropped. Not a big deal really
>screeching about crops
>too retarded to see OP linked the document
I think you need to take your own advice anon
7200 JDAM
>M-code capable
Is this the new dedicated military GPS channel?
Yup. Fancy new features, lets the military jam regular GPS without fratricide, and way better jam resistance in general. However, there's still a shitload of legacy systems not capable of using it.
Sharp decline in hellfire production. Not sure if that’s due to the JAGM or not participating in any COIN operations at the moment
As someone who interned at the sand lake site. I remember the cfo making a speech about how the hellfire was their best seller to euros participating in COIN and that they couldn't keep production up to match demand (like 2017). Seeing as how euros have moved focus to ukraine, I imagine it does have to with less emphasis on their budget for coin and more for procuring artillery shells etc for ukr.
I hate how they didn't opt for a powered mini cruise missile like the SPEAR 3,but then the SPEAR only has a tiny warhead, supposedly pic rel, while the payload on the SDB II is gigantic.
581 JASSM. We’re sitting on a really healthy stockpile of long range stealth cruise missiles
To kill lots of Chinese before they leave ports. What are the numbers for LRASM?
>LRASM
88 in FY23
I’m glad you asked. 88 procured this year. That’s a huge number for an air launched ASM of this caliber. Basically enough LRASMs procured this year to cripple any fleet on earth
1000 jagm
4700 GMLRS. I expect these numbers to blast off after providing Ukraine with them.
>Enhanced AW Warhead modification to provide a ligh/medium anti-armor capability
Reactive material fragstorm incoming.
>current versions have raped vatnik BTG columns up and down
>those were not considered to have an anti-armor capability
what type of Hispanicy shit is this?
Anon, look up the rear and top armor of a BTR or BMP-2. The BMP-2's side armor is about 18mm. That's 155mm artillery tier, a 200 lb warhead will have no problems.
What the brochure refers to is likely the ability to penetrate the armor of something like Mobile Protected Firepower or perhaps a very beefed up Bradley. So not quite an early Abrams or T-72 but more than a beefed up Stryker.
Anon? Hello? Why did the thread suddenly die? Is it nighttime already in Tel Aviv?
What does this mean for the increased procurement of the F35?
Testing of the AW warhead. It's 180,000 various diameter tungsten balls.
Forgot vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5h7BkCj5rI
>govt has this shit
>I can’t legally buy home defense claymores at the local hardware store
It’s bullshit
I wish. What they don't know can't hurt them, though.
Gotta love freedom. For all the shit we give Americans, they can create cool weapons.
Are those individual rockets or 6 rocket pods?
About 600 javelin. Those numbers should pump after Ukraine as well. I’ve read articles saying the US is restocking its own supplies if javelins starting in FY 2024
I remember seeing photos of a lightweight next gen CLU, any idea where that is? There was a plan to turn it into a common unit for both the jav and whatever replaces the stinger.
>The team conducted its first test launch of a Javelin missile from the LWCLU on Oct. 5
This was October 2022. LRIP (low rate initial production) starts deliveries in 2025 with 200 units and I believe going up to 600 units within a year or two.
They’re starting to show up all over the army
No they're not, see
The first ones won't even get delivered until 2025.
My unit has them.
is probably only using open source info
Stop LARPing, the production line isn't even set up yet, they can make them by hand individually, probably a couple per week. But there is no reason to since the US isn't in a shooting war with anyone.
Your "unit" hasn't gotten a god damn thing. The LWCLU program isn't even classified. It's all public record.
I'm surprised per unit cost is already at $242k even at only 203 ordered. The full rate production line is supposed to be 600 per year, so they can probably bring the per-unit costs down even a bit more.
>$320k each
I thought these were cheaper in the past. Am I wrong or is there an upgrade over older generations?
That likely includes overhead like setting up the new full rate production line for the upgraded LWCLU
Makes sense
thats' not a lot. didnt Ukraine get like 5000 or so?
>5000
7000, and that was estimated to be ~1/3rd of US stocks.
Estimated by who
>Mark Cancian, a senior adviser with the International Security Program at CSIS
What sources did he cite
> Colonel Mark Cancian, U.S. Marine Corps (Retired), works in a think tank in Washington and is a frequent contributor to Proceedings. He served in the Marine Corps for 33 years. From September 2006 to March 2007, he served as the G-7 Assistant Chief of Staff for Assessments in the Multi National Force-West in Iraq.
Hmm idk if he's qualified enough
Well the US was flush with them so procurement was low.
120 urgent release PrSM. Really excited about this one
Oops forgot pic
>60-650 km
I thought the range of the first version of PrSM was still going to be 500 km? I know the treaty is no longer relevant but still
I think it was pretty much always listed at 499km before the treaty was being ignored, after it was listed as 500km+ with no maximum range stated beyond that.
Jesus we are getting ready for the big one.
We really are planning to defend Taiwan huh...
I was listening to a podcast on the subject that had very senior people in the defense sector and it really struck me how non-chalant they were about how "oh yeah if the PRC invades Taiwan the US will immediately respond with full military force in every situation". They also mentioned that the international arms procurement that opened the floodgates for Ukraine to acquire American arms after the invasion was also very quietly given to Taiwan as well.
>it really struck me how non-chalant they were about how "oh yeah if the PRC invades Taiwan the US will immediately respond with full military force in every situation".
Rome can't afford to ignore aggression on its allies
They're going to have anti-ship capabilities, too. They were working on an ATACMS and GMLRS/GMLRS-ER with anti-ship capabilities, but, just rolled that effort and money into the PrSM.
They are game planning for island hopping and I'm extremely happy.
Yep. That's why they were testing the HIMARS, and the Autonomous Multi-Domain Launcher HIMARS Island hopping from C-130s.
https://seapowermagazine.org/rapid-himars-deployment-to-remote-location-demonstrates-distributed-lethality/
https://www.defensedaily.com/army-demonstrates-autonomous-multi-domain-launcher-concept/army/
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2021/06/16/us-army-fires-autonomous-launcher-in-pacific-focused-demo/
Then add in the ability for the F-35 to target for HIMARS, and you get quite a lethal capability.
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/05/marines-connect-f-35-jet-to-himars-rocket-shot-for-first-time/
Add HIMARS launched from the amphibious transport dock USS Anchorage
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/10/05/marines-connect-f-35-jet-to-himars-rocket-shot-for-first-time/
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/3886934/dawn-blitz-2017-uss-anchorage-himars-shoot
could you imagine being a lance corporal with a ship kill?
They really are use landing craft to set up micro Firebases with minimal manning.
Distribution of the kill web or some shit. Couple grunts on rock shooting million dollar missiles at a Chinese amphibious assault ship.
China unironicaly dug their own grave when the wolf warrior shit went too far
>Philippines plays both sides for literal decades
>suddenly Chinese hardliners chimp out over muh rightfur cray
>build artificial island bases in Phillipines waters
>literally name one mischief reef like a cartoon villain
>Phillipines now lets the US build three very substantial military bases along the western coasts of the Phillipine islands and signs various cooperation agreements
Those bases they built aren’t even going to amount to much it’s so retarded. The Chinese nationalists are going to drag their country down
But the west will also be totally unready to deal with the sheer amount of sabotage that Chinese nationals will carry out in the west when things go hot. I don’t think the average Australian/American/Canadian will be able to accept that most people from mainland China will have absolutely no loyalty to whatever country they’re living in and will do everything in their power to aid in attacks against it.
Damn, I somehow didn't consider the active saboutage part. Water and sewage plants especially seem like particularly ripe targets.
America is fairly well insulated, most of their Chinese population is fairly anti CCP, and Chinese nationals are literally barred from working in sensitive industries. Leaking stuff from universities, civil infrastructure, civilian fabrication and tech companies etc is a bigger threat. Australia and Canada have much larger populations of Chinese with family in the mainland, loyalty to the CCP, extensive buisness interests in Canada/aus, nationalist tendencies and very low levels of assimilation. Those are also countries much less willing and able to shut out, deport or suppress Chinese migrants and nationals
China has already interfered in Australia and Canada quite heavily
>China has already interfered in Australia
They have and as a response foreign interference laws were passed that are being copied by otger western cunts, as well investments laws targeting Chinese SOEs in Australia. More powers were given to the Treasurer to block chinese investments in Rare Earth Supply chains. Diversifacation has been ramping up since the chinese instigated a trade war, a punishment for Australian defiance, in turn reducing china's hold over trade that they wank off
tldr; China's is big stupid
Shame the Australian domestic audience is too muddled on China and both parties have plenty of compromised individuals with various financial interests tied to China. Industry also has interests in China
Australia is sleepwalking towards disaster because politicians, industry and the public are all deluded into thinking things will just putter along. She’ll be right.
All major parties are guilty of this and love scoring easy political points on China
>liberals accuse labour of being hawkish on China
>labour accuses liberals of being soft on China
>then switch accusations when convenient
Im more optimistic. Australians dont like, have never like and probably will never like them. compromised individuals have slowly been removed from office by party pressure or losing elections. I would say Sam Dastyari and Gladys Liu are examples of this. Your last two points are fair.
I don’t think Australia likes China or won’t fight against them, I think properly and especially openly preparing for war against China is a political impossibility for the Australian government. Industry won’t stomach it, the public won’t buy into it, and the opposition (whichever party it is at the time) will always use it to score points
I disagree strongly. The political climate and attitudes among most people towards China has shifted dramatically in Australia in recent years.
While people used to generally not care about China's authoritarian nature and were happy to just take their money, the pandemic and China's increasing hawkishness in the SEA Sea have caused most people to develop a very negative view of the CCP. Both major political parties are also now firmly in lockstep when it comes to defence policy.
I don’t think that’s 100% true. I think Australians still don’t have the stomach for war and are really desperate for letting the Chinese be Chinese but let Aussies be Aussies, IE let’s sell each other shit and pretend we don’t find each other loathsome.
Maybe it’s different elsewhere, I’m speaking as someone living in inner Sydney which might as well be Terra Chinullus
Didn’t they get shit on for their clowning in a few African countries also? I coulda swore I heard news about some African countries saying fuck you and seizing a bunch of Chinese assets since they couldn’t put up with the bullying and uneven deals and realized China was at least currently only capable of barking at them.
There were soft runs of this during the start of covid. Local chinese owned companies were buying up all the masks and toilet paper and shipping them off to china in places like aus and nz. I dont think westerners realise how deeply infiltrated they are by people that have absolutely no loyalty to them
Yep. And the news out of Canada right now is grim, compromised from the top to the root. CCP owns the government and has been bribing/blackmailing Chinese nationals to conduct espionage and interfere in local elections for years. It’ll either cripple China or backfire really horribly when it catapults anti China hawks into power in Canada but they’ve already demolished their own military
There's a blog floating around the web called navy matters or something like that, they guy constantly bitches about this concept, says sensors don't work, all you need is analog and the mk. one eyeball then unironically believes we should armor our ships back to WW2 standards and use battleships again.
It's fucking wild that you see the effect of drones and massed fires and why being able to concentrate and aggregate/disperse forces quickly the the difference between moderate losses and entire BTG's wiped crossing a river. Yet people still don't trust sensors and SIGINT kek
>navy matters
yeah Comnavops is a well-known retard
I drop by once a year to see how retarded he is
his latest post is quite kekworthy:
>Jutland
>submarines could not effectively support the fleet battle, and engaged no ships
>takeaway: it's stupid to invest in submarines, they can NEVER effectively support the battle fleet, better to reduce investment in subs, dedicate them to special ops
applying the lessons of a 100-year-old battle to modern warfare in THAT way? with total disregard for how technology has changed the way war is fought?
fuck me!
that's the level of "analysis" one expects from Navy Matters
125 SM-6
Crazy how far ahead the us is in space
The way the US strengthens its strategic assets like its gps satellites is part of the reason a handful of American rocket artillery trucks were able to completely halt the Russian advance last summer
Thanks Anon for your Autism Reports, I would fucking die 5 pages in reading all these documents
keep it up and cya at the next defense spending Report thread
2 Virginia class submarines
2 flight III burkes
Logistics ship
Reading through these threads made me realize just how expensive everything in US arsenal is.
Losing to Afghanistan makes mucb better sense in this context.
>Losing to Afghanistan
Militarily we won though, we only lost politically as the public and political will to continue the war was waning. The problem is unless the US is willing to commit genocide, or commit to a full scale occupation for at least 2-3 generations, there is no way to "win" in Afghanistan, and since the US public would never support genocide and the ongoing occupation was unpopular (both publicly and in the government/military) we left.
We didn't get "beaten" by some afghan military power.
>Militarily we won though
Inshallah, habibi.
>The problem is unless the US is willing to commit genocide, or commit to a full scale occupation for at least 2-3 generations, there is no way to "win" in Afghanistan, and since the US public would never support genocide and the ongoing occupation was unpopular
This is the biggest cope ever, probably bigger than
>36 hours to take Kyiv.
Every time US went to war in the Middle East, it slaughtered millions indiscriminantly, in quiet and away from journalists, only for the public to find out about these adventures 10-15 years later, mentioned nonchalantly in some public report.
In Afghanistan, US never even took the territory - what it managed to do is take the capital, a few roads and loudly roar out "VICTORY! WHERE MY MEDAL AT?" (getting Iraq flashbacks, where after taking the capital and declaring victory the US had to spend 4 years fighting "insurgents" in every other city facing up to brigade-sized 'insurgent' units.
The only difference is there was no Saddam to depose in Afghanistan, so, being unable to take more than just the capital, US quietly sat there for 20 years and fled.
Napoleon, undoubtedly, would kill to have logistics allowing him to sit in Moscow for 20 years.
We all get it, you're retarded, no need to make it so obvious though.
https://files.catbox.moe/gjc38j.png
What exactly is that supposed to prove?
It's hilarious you seem to think i give a fuck about anyone living in Afghanistan.
Like I said, unless the US wanted to stay for another 40-50 years there was never going to "winning" that war in the way you want.
And we can see Russia attempting to "win" in ukraine the way the US refused to do in Afghanistan. Do you think the US should've done what russia is doing and just rape and abuse the ones you don't kill?
Kek,absolutly malding and rebit spacing.
>le reddit spacing maymay
good job outing yourself as a newfag.
That’s not an argument
>Every time US went to war in the Middle East, it slaughtered millions indiscriminantly, in quiet and away from journalists,
Like when and where?
Also you are admitting the other guy is right. Millions isn’t enough, you have to kill half or more of the population. You have to kill so many that everyone everywhere notices it. Afghanistan doesn’t see that on the news. Muhammed doesn’t know muhammed died 200 miles away.
Don't give them oxygen. Laugh silently and scroll on.
Thank you.
Nah I like to make fun of them
The US was trying to nation-build in Afghanistan. Note the GDP, human development index, maternal mortality, and population density all improved during the American occupation. Contrast that to what happened when the Soviets invaded (all those same markers were likely worsened).
>afghans would legitimately rather live in medieval tier squalor with constant baby deaths, no healthcare and crushing poverty
At some point anon you just have to accept theres no helping some people.
>medieval tier squalor with constant baby deaths, no healthcare and crushing poverty
kek, its like visiting Kentucky
How is Texas Oblast today, fellow American?
Dunno, thankfully i dont live there.
Its full of mexicans and Greg Abbott is constantly trying to kill you through incompetence
Afghanistan was not a loss in terms of military operations. It was quite a success with the taliban being effectively suppressed in the early 2010s when troop presence was at its peak. The only problem was setting up a nation that can hold itself, which is a big problem with Afghanistan. America stopped doing ground operations against the taliban in 2014 and shifted towards training the ANA and providing them with limited support in the air. That was not enough because the ANA was corrupt and the U.S. needed to force the afghan republic to reform its military and government structure in order ti have more support and a proper military that can hold its own. Taliban never beaten the americans, but just sat in Pakistan and waited them out. The doha agreement gave them a chance to take over the country because america and the Taliban made a deal to take stop fighting each other, which means no air support for the ANA. Which caused the ANA to start collasping and the taliban move forward while america was pulling out. The equipment left behind were for the ANA and it makes no sense for america to return the shit already given to the ANA. All the equipment that cannot be taken home were sabotaged.
The ANA didn’t even exist. It was away for Americans to hide their actual casualty rates by reporting them as ANA and a neat way for congressmen and defense contractors to move around money.
Retard, there is no way they can hide that many losses. The taliban are that much of a shit fighter that they just shifted towards doing operations against ANA forces because of how inept they are. Attacking americans for the taliban is essentially a death wish because they have eyes everywhere.
Afghanistan was an american loss. The US spent 2 trillion USD and lost more than 2000 people for what exactly? 2 decades of controlling some opium fields? Keeping the "terrorists" at bay that were goat farmers more than 15000 miles away from the US? But wow, you used all that money and defeated a military that had not even 1% of the budget, manpower and industrial capacity behind it that the US did. Meanwhile the Taliban are back to beating their wives and the chinese are getting access to its lithium deposits. All the while after being handed millions and millions of american military equipment and getting free infrastructure built during the past 2 decades.
No amount of copium turns this into a win. Winning a battle against goat farmers is meaningless when it comes at this steep a cost.
see in you in a year when the first halal pizza hut opens
Doesn't fucking matter. 2 trillion USD for the satisfaction of watching a guy who killed americans struggle at a 9-5 job. Who is probably in charge of collecting export duties from all the lithium he's selling to china.
What the fuck is this copium. 2000 people died for NOTHING. ten times that number got wounded for nothing. The US didn't get rich of aghanistan, the US didn't get powerful off of aghanistan, the US didn't even get run interference for actual strategic adversaries like china or russia.
You can do your mental gymnastics all you like, but afghanistan was an incredible waste of money and manpower. I know it's not a lot of zeros, but damn, those are 2000 american families whose sons, brothers and fathers aren't coming home. And their sacrifice was in absolute vain. It's fucking sad.
Money well spent.
Your tourism is showing hard as is your agenda. 2k dead over two decades is nothing. Especially when you compare it to anything comparable like the first or second Chechen wars, or the Soviet Afghan war.
It’s incredible to act like I’m some kind of shill when this was in the same post as me saying the nation building was completely moronic and a failure. You “people” are completely incapable of assessing the various sides of any issue
>2000 people died for NOTHING
3800 burgers die every month in car accidents, sweetie.
Yeah but usually their families need to get new cars anyways so it subsidizes the automotive industry.
Yeah and these 2000 deaths subsidized the MIC for 20 years.
Touché
>picrel
It's totally a win.
> Also, fuck Pakistan in particular.
It was a shitshow and nation building is stupid but lmao at
>2k losses
>in twenty years
Those are almost miraculously low numbers and do not make the US look weak
>20 years
>2,000 lost
>al-Qaeda leaders that were responsible for 9/11 dead
>the taliban making concessions about not working with the Taliban anymore
Yea, its a win, especially in terms of military. 2,000 losses in 20 years is fucking nothing and the main goal in Afghanistan wasn't to keep the Taliban out. Because if it was, the U.S. wouldn't have stopped all major ground operations against them in 2014. The main goal was to keep al-Qaeda away, which worked.
How did people misinterpret our goal in Afghanistan? The goal wasn't to remove the taliban, the goal was to find and destroy al-Qaeda leadership and campsites. The taliban just got caught in the crossfire because they were aiding in protecting al-Qaeda leaders that were responsible for 9/11. Nation building Afghanistan was a second thought because america cannot leave a country destroyed and they spent decades in nation building while focusing on efforts of hunting down al-Qaeda members and their taliban collaborators.
The price of being the best.
Remind me not to fuck with the US
Reminder: Don't. Fuck. With. The. U.S.
> you're welcome
It's actually set for a March 9th release anon
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/dod-budget-be-released-march-9-without-detailed-program-information
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3837346-white-house-to-release-budget-proposal-on-march-9/
Says the release on the 9th likely wont contain all programmatic information.
The America that Metal Gear envisioned.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?
I like this thread. Do the Bongs, Aussies or Leafs release similar data?
Only the US
Based. I like how shills don’t even bother entering these threads
>tfw you've had to suffer USAF procurement documents and they're laid out in this awful style
I'm having flashbacks. All that money, the best materiel in the world, the most powerful military in any sphere you care to name... and the branding of a second rate agricultural supplier from 2006. Times new roman? drop shadows? fucking justified text!? God help us all if they ever release a document that doesn't look like it was designed 30 years ago, then we'll know America is bloody thinking seriously.
You sound like a metro sexual gay.
The word 'metrosexual' usually refers to a straight guy with gay affectations. A 'metrosexual gay' is thus a contradiction, or 'oxymoron'.
Your existence is an oxymoron, gay.
>aaaa muh graphic design
It's for cucks. Real men use Times New Roman on black and white slides.
Times new roman on black and white slides is graphic design anon. You have aeshetic considerations and are influenced by them. You just have poor taste if you think USDoD's choices aren't ugly, and a liar if you think justified text is easy to read.
I for one welcome our new 6.8x51 SIG overlords.
personally I like government transparency
but where do we learn about the secret procurements?
The Drive actually has a decent military section, it's called The War Zone and has been pumping out interesting pieces about secret stuff for years.
We can't discuss that on internet, let's meet up in the motel. By the way, how healthy are your kidneys?
Hard to say, we know from 2013 snowden shit that the US intelligence apparatus was operating on about ~$50B/year in various black budget projects.
I think it was estimated in 2009 the DoD black budget was ~$50B.
And according to a few articles in 2018 Trump requested a black budget increase to ~$80B which included ~$60B for the national intelligence program and then ~$22B for military intelligence programs.
>$60B for the national intelligence program
eeeh....
The majority of this is NTM platforms (satellites).
>t. knower
I wouldn't worry about it
The number of national security launches has gone up a lot and they’re very open about their long term plans for US military satellite infrastructure. Can’t find the image but tl;dr
>megaconstellations of varied types of satellites to communicate, observe, and intercept with lots of redundancy and coverage and the capabilities to rapidly rebuild it after a strike on it
The US really wants a perfect ballistic missile defense system to end MAD, though no one is certain such a thing is even possible
Thank god Falcon9, Falcon Heavy, and hopefully eventually Starship are available for these launches at a fraction of what they'd cost just a decade ago.
MAD was never a thing, push comes to shove it was always a preemptive first strike with the goal of eliminating whoever's ability to launch nukes.
Yeah and the point for both sides is to guarantee a second strike capability that would inflict unacceptable loses. Or at least to curate an unacceptable probability or untenable uncertainty, or the perception of one in the political landscape
The holy grail for USSF is to end that uncertainty by creating a perfect system of detection and interception. And like a quest for the holy grail, plenty of people think it’s a pipe dream
>doesn't know what MAD is
>tries to lecture a weapon's board about its non-existence
I'll just bet that (You) have all sorts of books and charts and graphs and links to web pages that explain that all in crystalline clear detail.
Thread theme:
A fifth of this was actually procured, half of that had already been stripped of all of its copper wire by officers so they can purchase fentanyl. Why do we take your armed forces seriously again when you haven’t won a war since the US-Mexican war again?
Imagine how powerful a fairy tale like this could be if any of it, even one word, was backed up by anything in reality-based facts.
Hate to break it to you but you may be living in the reality bubble. Only a little over an 8th of the world’s population is under sway of the US and her puppets. You may have the skewed perspective.
False. Anyone not under American control is ontologically non-human
It might surprise you, but America can actually deliver on what it claims it can do militarily. The fraud is significantly overpaying for what you get. Shocking concept to some “people” I know
At least corruption in our MIC just means overbilling the customer and passing the burden to the taxpayer while still getting genuinely good stuff.
That’s what I meant. It sucks, but compared to military corruption elsewhere I’d say it’s pretty good
Fells comfy knowing that the Us bought exactly what it said it would. No more and certainly no less. There’s something about checks and balances that get me rock hard
Great thread OP
Great thread, OP.
Thank you for not being a gay. Love from
. No homo.
weapons procurement?
off topic concern troll
reply to him again and you're a certified retard
What? I'm beginning to think maybe he was right and that you are a schizo that needs to take his meds. In the meantime I will be writing letters and calling all congressional offices to demand that they increase purchases of Lockheed Martin's F35, and there's nothing you can do to stop me. Seethe more you Russian and get btfo more in Ukraine. Slava Ukrani!
What? I'm literally just talking about the F35 and how we should purchase more. MIC conspiracy theories are evil cartoon character-tier nonsense. I don't understand why everyone else in here is so upset about us purchasing so many F35's. Personally I think at least half of our air force jets should be F35's by law, they're literally the most advanced and literally the best planes in the world right now.
Why do you have webm's of a literally gnomish actress girl wearing that? Is it leftover material from one of your shill threads on 4chan spamming porn and "khazar milker" memes? Pretty weird that garden gnomes are so obsessed with porn and unhealthy fetishizations. You should bring this up at your next psychiatrist appointment.
what's wrong with gnomish girls, friend? they're cute. look at that girl and tell me you wouldn't cuddle with her while watching a movie with friends. god maybe you'd even hold hands.
>w-why don't you lust after hooknoses? look at this garden gnomeess actress that was BLEACHED and is at least half white if not more, that's how they all look!
>w-why do you keep pointing us out! y-you're obsessed with us! here's some more porn spam and garden gnomeess "khazar milker" girls!
Kek. Why do garden gnomes always pretend to not be garden gnomes, and then eventually concede they are in fact garden gnome posters but that you're mentally ill for knowing it the entire time and noticing them playing their gnomish games. Sad!
I’m not gnomish and I don’t ever think about garden gnomes. You keep talking about them though
As a white non-Christian I've been called a garden gnome my entire life (mostly because fly-over white kids can't fathom someone not religious, so if I'm not Christian I HAVE to be a garden gnome)
You're never gonna convince a moron like that you're not gnomish, even if you had 1000 years of your family tree traced and verified he'd still insinuate you MUST have some gnomish ancestors and you just haven't gone back far enough to find them.
As a non-white Christian that is of middle-eastern descent living in America, I've had a few of these racists confront me before on here about being gnomish. They don't seem to understand that although Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, and that Abrahamic religion originates with Judaism, that Christianity is not in fact gnomish. I've tried pointing this out but they continue to ridicule and dismiss any talk that doesn't "admit" to gnomish influence and control. The fact that my first name is also literally from the Old Testament doesn't help when trying to dissuade these disgusting anti-semitic and xenophobic racists from their ways.
Pro tip
No1curr
Standard reply from the standard schizo anti-semitic anti-judeo christian poster. I hope Jesus finds you, anon.
This is the guy upset about the f35 procurement and also seething about the garden gnomes
Agreed. Why is this guy so obsessed with garden gnomes and his literal cartoon villain schizo image of them? Every time I post, people harass me as being a garden gnome, and then when I admit that I'm a garden gnome they just double down and harass me even more. He needs to take his meds and get mental treatment for his garden gnome obsession. I don't understand what the FUCK his problem is.
This is the guy upset at the f35 procurement and seething about garden gnomes
I saw this post before once. Why would someone pretend to be someone and something they aren't, even on the internet of all places, and pretend to be other races of people? Who does that shit, you literal schizo?
>what's wrong with gnomish girls, friend?
Dude…really?
Why are you so obsessed with garden gnomes and constantly bringing them up? kek did you fall for 4chan talking points
This dude really hates America lol
I love these threads because it always brings out the most salty foreigners. The smarter shills avoid these threads like the plague
Note how he derailed a conversation about Chinese interference
Note how as soon as the one anon brought up the procurement and wasteful spending on such a useless hyped aircraft as the F35, all the MIC garden gnomes immediately began to sperg in the thread. I think Chinese interference is an issue in Canada, as is all non-Canadian interference in Canada, particularly that of western international garden gnomes. What are your opinions on this, anon?
You’ve still not explained what’s fucking wrong with f-35s? And why do you like chinooks?
>useless hyped aircraft as the F35
mind explaining what makes it useless?
He doesn't know why, he just knows that it is.
Based knower that doesn't fall for all the traps and pits of useless arguing with garden gnome shills that will just copy-paste technical specs as always that they themselves don't even understand. Pretty wise of that anon to just know instead and simply understand the superiority of every other fighter jet and aircraft in the American air force such as the F15/F16 and the ever-great F22.
Right. Back on topic for the final solution to the Chinese question.
Time is also their enemy because of an even worse demographic time bomb than the west has. The one child policy fucked them even though it was need a long time ago
China and the west are both in a weird situation. Neither of them want war in the immediate future because both are unprepared for a near-peer conflict. China has spend the last decade trying to modernise to mixed success and they’re very open about the fact that they still haven’t met their goal of mechanising yet. Meanwhile the US has only recently been able to shift gears but it’s rearming for near-peer war with China specifically with much more vigour, focus and long-term vision. However the US navy is the exception having some pretty serious problems in procurement (tale as old as the USN). China, however, believes that on a long curve they can out-produce the US. Once they’ve got carriers and jets “figured out” along with other key technologies they can simply build a fuckload and focus their forces for LOCAL dominance while the US has to have GLOBAL dominance (or SUPERGLOBAL if you’re a USSF wanker). This is the Chinese thinking, anyway
The goal of both parties is to short term prevent war while getting up to speed, and then the moment they’re in a position where they’re stronger than the other to a strong degree of confidence, they want to instigate conflict on their term before the others current rearmament/modernisation program is complete. It’s worth noting that this calculation includes Japanese force restructuring, australia procurement and force restricting projects, some South Korean developments and the completion of bases in the Phillipines and possibly a modernising of the Phillipines armed forces, along with several other less significant forces like Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore. I leave out India because I think both the west and China see them as unreliable, dysfunctional militarily and retarded.
This is why I personally don’t think there will be war between them in the 2020s. I think it’ll be 2035-2045 ish. But it will 100% certain happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop it.
Right? What the FUCK is his problem? If he were really a red, white, and blue America-loving patriot, he would be writing all of the congressional offices in both the Senate and House about this outrage that such few F35's were purchased. Lockheed Martin needs more purchases and more funding so they can make more of these beautiful perfect aircraft. I don't understand why we even waste so much time and money purchasing aircraft that were developed 50 years ago if the F35 is so amazing!
You’re the guy upset about the f35 purchases LARPing as the cartoon character MIC villain in your mind
It’s cute when 3rd worlders try to act human
This is true. I go for women instead now, rather than girls. I understand that this can be confusing to garden gnomes, seeing as they are widely well known for their sick, criminal, and mentally ill pedophilic sexual interests in little girls.
mhmm
Anon, why do you as a garden gnome keep spamming fetishization video and pornographic images? Why is this behavior so common among garden gnome posters on this website, and why does their seem to be such a disproportionate and high number of garden gnome posters on this website?
why did you take posts on 4chan and use them to form your world view?
Why are you talking about 4chan? This is PrepHole. Also, why do you keep posting images known to be used by garden gnome shills on 4chan? This is all highly irregular.
the way you're posting you seem to think this is 4chan.
Is he just gonna sit here for hours replying to every post?
We can only hope
Probably. He's literally deranged. His rampant anti-semitism and harassing of gnomish posters in this thread alone is utterly disgusting. I can only imagine how much this this 4chanack harasses our people on all the other boards with his anti-semitic schizo conspiracy theories.
This is the guy upset about the f35 procurement and also seething about the garden gnomes
Name one thing bad about the F35 and criticize the Chinese government about one thing
The project management has been a shitshow, the F-35B complicates everything and i pray for the day that Beijing gets cleansed by nuclear hellfire
kek he’s mad that with the f35B the US gained 11 light aircraft carriers overnight
>F-35B
Agree and disagree. It was totally necessary to make a vtol carrier aircraft and the F-35B is based. It also fucked the whole program bad and that’s why now the DoD is making the navy and the Air Force run separate procurement programs
>project management has been a shitshow,
That’s not a criticism of the F35 and it’s performance. That’s a criticism of bureaucracy