>"In fact, we are devaluing all the strikes, and now the enemy is forced not only to stop, but also to stop active mass counterattacks. Sectorally, the enemy is still trying to break up in small groups, to move on to surround us more closely, but they are no longer able to do so. I think we can withstand this format. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying the occupiers' advanced units to tighten the enemy's attack systems. Their destruction is a prerequisite not only for the defense of Avdiivka, but possibly for an offensive," noted General Malomuzh.
Fun's over, boys
>but possibly for an offensive
Don't get my hopes up
Cauldron status?
Is this the 5th time they have tried a Cauldron, then completely failed?
>5th
Have you been in coma for over a year?
How did this cuck predict the Russian offensive would go?
>How did this cuck predict the Russian offensive would go?
Just as it has, wonderfully
Wait, what? He got one right?
He probably thought it would go "wonderfully" for the snow Nigerians. Instead it went "wonderfully" for us lol.
The material they're trying to boil has a higher melting point than the cauldron.
>China's final warning
>Russia's closing kotel
>Brazil, land of the future
Don't forget the other classics, like
>Mexico a future economic power
>India superpower by 20XX
>Mexico a future economic power
If they ever go Total Cartel Death, they could be.
As long as Yankees keep hooverin up drugs, that will never happen. The demand is too strong. The supply will emerge.
Why the fuck did you censor this pic?
, law and progress.
Fixed that for you.
Lex Luthor is now ruler of Australia.
What does this podcast fag have to do with this?
I don't get your eceleb shit
It's a "Superman II" reference.
Also Russians have apparently gotten on top of the mountain while Ukrainians counterattack from the south.
>Russians have apparently gotten on top of the mountain
They have reported this every single day for last 10 days. Also infantry crawling on top doesn't matter if they can't stay there
Russia will have to commit a lot of force to simply holding the damn mountain.
if they had actually captured the mountain the catalog would be spammed with XAXAXA HOHOLS ROASTED UMMM posts
That's a great point. Between the vatniks and /misc/acks the board would've been absolutely flooded with it.
Yeah they got to the mountain but the Ukranians already left and made the Russians leave to after "liquidating" them. So right now they don't have the elevation so I hope they manage to move back in quickly.
Ukrainian approaches to it are defended by waste mound itself, while Russian vehicles will have to ride the field of death every time to get on top.
I dunno why people keep making such a big deal out of this slag heap. It really functions no different from any other hill. This is exactly why we kept talking about Ukies going for the high ground instead of random villages in the counter-offensive
>It really functions no different from any other hill
it's a big hill and only hill in the area
It's basically the ONLY hill even close to it's size and height in the area, it's cliffs are too steep for tanks and other vehicles, it's basically invincible because of what it's made of, it's just north of Avdiivka, and it's also only ~12 miles from the center of Donetsk. You straight up cannot take Avdiivka while defenders are garrisoned there and is insanely hard to assault as the Russians demonstrated by losing something like 1,400 men and heaps of vehicles in a single day there if I'm remembering the number right. It's got nearly 58-59 acres of land at the top that can be used for whatever you want.
It might as well be a fortress and the Russians cannot gain air or fire superiority.
Couldn't they theoretically just permanently suppress it with artillery if it's such a big issue? Seems like a better strategy compared to the zerg rush.
>permanently suppress it
So you're shooting 1000 shells a day on this hill, what next?
>what next?
Cope and seethe but at least you're not loosing a bazillion men.
That makes sense. But at the same time, they are still spamming artillery, right?
>they are still spamming artillery, right?
You already know the answer to that question.
>Ukie counter battery is fucking deadly
>Counter-battery smokers would devastate them if they tried
>the Russians cannot gain air or fire superiority.
They can't. Ukie counter battery is fucking deadly with the aid of drones.
On paper sure. In reality?
>the Russians cannot gain air or fire superiority.
Counter-battery smokers would devastate them if they tried and flying near the lines is dangerous for either force. They're between a cock and a hard place because their commanders really want that city.
What the fuck?
Yes the Russians keep sending their armor up against a well-defended spot.
Full of black cum of a fascist.
Burned the pot.
Man the day this started the ziggers were spamming that tank were already inside Avdiivka
I suppose they were right but they didn’t specify that it was only the turrets that made it
Rusted and corroded. Possible tetanus in the ass.
>Possible tetanus in the ass.
Rub a hedgehog on that. Clear it right up.
Kotel empty, rice burned stuck at the bottom, rusty and chipped. The ass will have consequences.
The bear has left it's cauldron forever
Actually, cauldrons are a waste of time. Eating meat raw is healthier. Look it up.
The ass is clemching, the nork ammounition is ready to penetrate the mobiks own asses!
The ass is firmly in the ass.
>Crests
Peaked
>Gloves
Off
>Eyebrow
Raised
>Great Leader
Spoken
>Bear
Awoken
>Tuvan
Shrugged
>Ass
Ass
>Missile
Ass
>Button
Observed
>Balls
Scratched
>Red line
Approached
>Things
Known
>Conclusions
Drawn
>Hedgehog
Aggravated
>Hands
Washed
>Potatoes
Peeled
>Eggs
Measured
>Banan
Demanded
>Coconuts
Corroded
>Cauldron
Simmering
>Chef
Complicated
>Axis
Worked
>Cum Bank
Climbed
>Vertical
Stengthened
>Mobiks
Cubed
>Cocks
Disposable
>Brown line
Crossed
>Sun
Fucked
>Rooster
Pecking
>Alligator
Endangered
>Die
Will be good
>Flight
Eternal
>Gloves
Off
>Eyebrow
Raised
>Ass
Ass
>Bacon
Flipped
>Button
Observed
>Balls
Scratched
>Red line
Approached
>Things
Known
>Conclusions
Drawn
>Hands
Washed
>Potatoes
Peeled
>Banan
Demanded
>Trash heap
Climbed
>Coconuts
Corroded
>Eggs
Measured
>Mobiks
Cubed
>Cocks
Disposable
>Brown line
Crossed
>Sun
Fucked
>Cauldron
Washed
>Morons
Filmed
>Hedgehog
Mooned
>Monitors
Cut
>Raccoon
Captured
I'm still upset about that.
>eggs
Measured
>Salad
Tossed
>Beans
Refried
>Pork
Chopped
>Butt
Blasted
>Can
Opener
I SWEAR TO GOD THE NEXT PERSON WHO POSTS THIS WITHOUT THE HEDGEHOG IS GOING TO GET THEIR TURRET TOSSED BY MY RIGHT HAYMAKER AAAAGH
>Crayfish
Hibernated
Could someone elaborate on this? I don't quite get what they're saying.
Russia has exhausted its effective offensive potential in the sector, but still attacks in small groups. Ukraine is now focused on destroying the remaining elite units and hoping to counterattack.
Thank you.
>remaining elite units
are these the ones that run over their own soldiers or the ones that shoot down their own aircraft?
They're the ones that drive off with half their squad not managing to hop on, and then get ATGM'd 40 meters ahead
Saved their lives tbh.
Found the webm I was talking about
After the hit, the video cuts and I don't see any corpses around so maybe the dismounts managed to flee?
Doesn't seem likely honestly, some of them were sitting exactly where the first missile hit
the second part had the survivors droned.com
Also now that I look more closely, I think all the dismounts are, well, dismounted by the time it gets hit. Can't really tel if there's still people hanging onto the cope cage
Are you fucking blind or just retarded?
What is this clownshow?
Why anon, it's the VDV. Yes, really
Russia's unironically most elite troops
Why are they like this, you don't even need to have tank training to know not to move when 10 people are surroundings your tank
ah another successful cope cage deployment
Trying to get a ride on a public BF server, except IRL
The way the ATGM just cuts through it like butter just makes me shudder.
thats a BMD, it has even shittier armor than a BMP
Perfection.
What was the first hit? It was top attack but javelin doesnt detonate at that altitude does it?
aren't they both Kornet hits
hey now, some of those ones (not those in particular you're referring to) survived. That's pretty "elite" all things considered/
The ones that are smart enough to refuse to storm the beaches of Odessa
I don’t think “advanced units” meant elite in that context but the most forward units.
>Could someone elaborate on this? I don't quite get what they're saying.
ass in ass, black sperm in mouth, etc
see
for details
>Russia tried massive attacks to encircle Avdiivka
>failed
>now resorting to small groups trying to infiltrate Ukie position
>Ukies are holding and considering counter attacking if local Russian forces are depleted enough
Remember when we thought a "cauldron" might look like this? lmao
Their plans were optimistic to say the least.
Yes, to say the least.
the funniest was the Bakhmut map showing a fight over a grain elevator in the colors of the ISW map
grain elevator is rising
I really wish people who posted shit like this were forced to say 'I was wrong'.
Being wrong on the internet should get your service disconnected.
How about automatic counter how many times they were in the wrongs?
Hardware level counter on every internet connected device.
Scott Ritter is a traitor and a pedophile. I'd like guys like him to be forced to confess their crimes publicly before being shot in the back of the head and disposed of in a landfill.
Is that the official account for Scott "dicky enthusiast" Ritter, the journalist who got Chis Hansen'd twice?
The one and the same. Scott "Went To Jail For Pedophilia" Ritter.
No way, the one and only Scott "the kiddie diddler" Ritter?
Scott "Honeypot so nice, I visited it twice" Ritter?
I really, really apreciate that Bakhmut dot painted green with arrow pointing from it to the north. That's the cherry on the top.
TZD
Didn't know that prick was still active. Thought he was busy sexting some glowie pretending to be a 13 year old girl again.
>kino show cancelled too soon
many such cases
>offensive restarts 5am tomorrow
>"haha SIKE, hohol piggers! We masters of maskirovka were merely pretending!
>*Asiatic screams and DPICM noises intensify*
>SIKE
It's "psych"
>Their destruction is a prerequisite not only for the defense of Avdiivka, but possibly for an offensive
Imagine if the Vatniks actually lose Donezk now because they depleted all their forces in the area.
That would be hilarious.
Absolutely no chance Ukraine starts an urban offensive while there's still ground to be won literally anywhere else
My personal unrealistic lolcow is them pulling troops from Bakhmut to reinforce this debacle and then losing the city. Could you imagine the absolute zigger meltdowns we'd get?
Unlikely, but my sides might not make it if the Russians lose Pisky and Donetsk Airport because of this shitshow.
It would be dumb to force the fight but it would actually make the original plan of encircling the city and the forces entrenched inside much easier. Still a lot of ground to cover.
Wait a second.
So all Ukraine has to do to blunt Russian offensives is to build more of these "super-mountains"?
>So all Ukraine has to do to blunt Russian offensives is to build more of these "super-mountains"?
>all
Build a half mile wide couple hundred foot tall pile of slag takes a long time anon. I think I looked it up previous threads and that coke plant there had its 60th anniversary this year.
Could/should Ukraine consider some serious fortifications at its border once this is all over? Actually yeah, given the terrain and what Russia is like some massive border fortifications with rail going to them might honestly be a decent idea. But it'd take years.
Well the sooner they do it, the better. Russians, being Russians, will try to invade Ukraine again. Ukraine needs more super-mountains.
But it's more likely they'll build more Azov super-fortresses first.
>Russians, being Russians, will try to invade Ukraine again
Yeah that's what I'm saying, until Russia completely implodes they'll always give it another go. And given what we've seen here it'll probably be feudal era tactics featuring meat and shitty armor waves AGAIN, which means unlike most of the rest of the planet some heavy static fortifications packed with arty and such could unironically fucking work, or at least buy a lot of time.
Which honestly isn't THAT impossible given the range modern arty and rockets offers. Including the chunk of Belarus border that matter, Ukraine would have around 900 miles to cover. Excalibur offers around 25 miles, and not everywhere actually matters that much, so 25-35 forts strategically placed with plenty of AA/point defense, and with decent military bases farther in with rapid reaction forces, plus decent build up of air power? Would probably be gudenuf to present a real hassle to any repeat attempt. Doesn't have to be Maginot line level.
>2050
>Russia invades Ukraine once more
>It's Russia's 5th attempt
>Ukraine: "Notto Disu Shitto Agen."
>These are slag heaps, the residue of 130 years of mining in the rich coal seam underneath Loos-en-Gohelle that extends west to east just below the Belgian border.
Imagine the defensive capability.
You could certainly position a lot of military infrastructure under them, fortifying them from arty strikes.
If ancient Ukies managed to build Serpernt's Walls to protect themselves against steppe hordes, modern Ukies should also be able to.
anon that took decades
the more wondrous part was Russian forces spending ~2 weeks assaulting it in the first place
yeah tbh, it still amazes me to think that they ACTUALLY tried a frontal assault on a position like this
Russians still think Ukrainians are backwoods rednecks, continually underestimating their opponent.
Bonus if Ukraine can get deep inside Russia and actually begin blowing up Russia's tank production direct.
They managed to advance through the land undulations. Look at the land dips and troughs in the area and they basically advanced along them.
I predict Kyiv will rapidly assemble such a fortress post-war, making it Ukraine's equivalent of fucking NORAD.
And yes, I fully approve of Ukraine essentially giving Russia the middle finger by building a stronger version of The Kremlin.
It is a tribute to Ukrainian professionalism they managed to break Wagner Group in one place that they could afford to see razed to the ground.
I recall NATO/US telling ukr that they should retreat from bakhmut because of how bloody the battles there was but ukr decided to hold on. Which somehow transformed it into some kind of lynchpin whose fall will defeat ukr or whatever and russia/wagner decided that THIS was the hill/town they will die on/in.
We all know how that turned out.
It's funny really.
Russia keeps thinking ukr is 'little russia', never seems to be able to overcome that thinking and so suffer from underestimating them every time. Because if they are the same surely the bigger one will win.
The west meanwhile seem to think they just need to win and suddenly ukr will be part of the EU with all their institutions and everything. But they also underestimated just how much rot it has from being so close russia. And ukr willing to fight in such a bloody battle confuses them because they never imagined a war like this will happen on europe again.
>"Ok guys THIS time we will prove the star fort is not invincible. CHARGE!
Russia believes Ukrainians are just our lap-dogs who follow any order we issue. It's why they get confused when Ukrainians "defy" our advice, lol.
>NATO/US
It's almost as if they have no experience fighting peer powers and can only dunk on towelheads. They also told Ukraine to amass everything they have and bumrush south ignoring huge casualties they would take. Truly glorious strategicians.
Speaking as an American, I agree with the Ukrainian play: wear down the Russians slowly and not bum-rush a numerically superior opponent.
While this has been the current strategy, and has yielded tremendeous value in "our losses VS their losses" -calculations, the Bakhmut theater has (now, on a hindsight) seen ...well, not a loss, but not exactly a victory either.
While the defense in Bakhmut could be considered successful, it did bog down a large amount of Ukie forces too. Russia simply COULD throw hundred thousand men into machine gun fire, for no other benefit than to "tie the Ukies down for now". Russia can sustain those losses, even if it means mobik cubes.
Ukies, however, kinda lost the summer counterattack initiative because they focused on that hedgehog defense. While ukie losses were much smaller than Russian ones, they still were rather significant. And that is away from activities on other sectors.
So from what I have heard, this kind of Bakhmut-style gind-mobiks-in-insane-attacks way of war does give good K/D ratio for Ukies, but prevents them from doing large scale stuff elsewhere. And that seems to be OK for Russians for now. They just ...play for time, and hope for a miracle to occur? Even if they have to do mobik waves after waves.
Not much of a plan, but what else they have?
Thing is if Ukraine hadn't turned all of Bakhmut into a pile of hamburger and slag Russia would have moved their artillery forwards and started terror shelling the two major towns beyond Bakhmut, forcing Ukraine to go on an offensive into Bakhmut while Russia fires artillery shells into schools and houses while going "JAJAJAJA LOOK AT WHAT HATO IS MAKING US DO SURRENDER OR YOU ARE KILLING YOUR CHILDREN XA XA XA!!!!"
Russia's entire mentality is "Look what you made me do." of an abuser.
All true.
And yet, that strategy worked for Russia, at least on some level. And that was "Ukraine's summer offensive won't have enough men. They can not commit to large scale offensives like we saw on Kharkiv region the last year".
Now, I don't know if this was even an intended goal. And it probably was not. It might be just as simple as "Cyka Blyat, Rush B" and B being Avdiivka. And that WOULD be according to their historical patterns of just rushing ahead without care for tomorrow. But regardless of intentions, the effect has been the following:
By zerg-rushing mobiks into grinder in Bakhmut and then later in Avdiivka, Russians have made Ukies wary of sending their forces elsewhere. They have tied them down in those insane mobic-grinding scenarios, so they won't have enough time/energy to start their really important strategic goals like "move into Tokmak/Melitopol".
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Except in 2022 this backfired spectacularly because Russians actually did run out of equipment and men. Even if they have reserves, their military machine simply doesn't have the output to refurbish hardware and shit out poorly trained or even untrained mobiks at this pace. Do also note that as they spend resources, generating more forces becomes harder for them.
Meanwhile, Ukies keep fielding additional units armed with NATO gear. It's honestly pretty one-sided if you look at it from a macro perspective, and not in Russia's favor either.
Aren't they getting F-16s next year too? If they can achieve air superiority that's really going to ratfuck the orcs.
Not Original anon. I don't think F-16s will generate any sort of significant shift in the dynamics of the war. Ukraine is getting older F-16s, not newer "stealth" ones. Russia has a metric shit ton of SAMs and other layered air defenses which are challenging to hit. They will help with intercepting missiles, replenishing Ukrainian air power so it doesn't continually degrade, potentially launching some bombs near the front lines, and deterring the Russians from launching their own air attacks.
To change things on the front lines they would need hundreds of F-16s and the resources to launch the world's most ambitious SEAD campaign. Only after that was successful could they then use the F-16s to dominate Russian ground formations.
The importance of F-16s is that they can finally use the NATO ordinance to it's full potential, instead of the jury-rigged mounts on the soviet birds. Said jury-rigs are not able to reprogram Storm Shadows while airborne, for instance.
So not something that's going change the face of the war, but you're finally playing without this specific handicap.
>Said jury-rigs are not able to reprogram Storm Shadows while airborne, for instance.
Neither are old planes like block 15 F-16s.
Yes?
We don't actually know what block they're getting, but what little we do know from who is supplying them (Netherlands and Denmark) indicates a Block 50/52 equivalent.
>We don't actually know what block they're getting
Yes we do, they're getting Belgian, Dutch, and Norwegian F-16s, apparently the Dutch ones first. None of those can fire storm shadows. They don't have electronics to interface with the missile and usually planes of that era require cockpit modifications for the pilot to use those munitions.
These types of upgrades to add munitions to airplanes aren't simple.
That is what I said? We can only look at their inventory and assume what, from it, they are going to provide.
However in no public press release was the EXACT block committed by any government spokesmen, for any of those nations. F-16AMs and F-16BMs are what the donors appear to have on hand, and allegedly those are updated to be roughly in line with 50/52 functionality. We know nothing else, including any further updates that may-or-may-not have occurred to permit them to go beyond that basic spec. Given the paper thin excuses around delaying F-16s for more than a year now (nearly 2 years at the time of expected delivery) one may even speculate just that. Of course, that's speculation.
If you would like to break some laws and provide non-public disclosure of Ukraine's spec'd F-16s and material, feel free. Then we can know as FACT their capabilities and limitations. Otherwise, also speculation.
>They don't have electronics to interface with the missile and usually planes of that era require cockpit modifications for the pilot to use those munitions. These types of upgrades to add munitions to airplanes aren't simple.
Yes?
>None of those can fire storm shadows
are you in charge of those nations airforce inventories?
you have intimate knowledge of the current state of a handful of nations airforces?
Reprogramming them mid flight isn't that useful honestly, they're going after static targets for the most part anyway. The biggest difference is in the range, they will be able to go all the way south of the crimean bridge and hit it from that side.
Outside of that, more platforms for lobbing nato bombs us just downright useful.
If not superiority, I will happily settle for BTFOing some Vatniks, it's certainly not going to hurt the war effort. Maybe those F-16s can carry ordnance to make a certain bridge extremely difficult to repair and hopefully shoot down some Russian fighters and helicopters.
Nah, I doubt Ukraine will extend F-16 missions into territory where air to air combat will take place. MAYBE over water it might happen. I really think it'll mostly be a case of Gulf War era F-16 combat, except in this case F-16 will be up against S-300 instead of S-75.
Yeah Ukraine has so few storm shadows that I don't think they would fire them at anything other than stationary targets no matter the circumstances. A stationary target is a certain target. Either the Russians shoot the missile down or the target is dead, nothing else will go wrong.
I don't think it's either of these, or air superiority, or simply making up numbers, that's the significance of F16.
I think the real significance is going to be the combination of natively integrated LINK datasharing and western AA missiles to conduct offensive counterair during ground offensive activities. Suddenly helicoper-based counterpen reserves are going to get touched up. Does Russia have other forces with the mobility, firepower and training necessary to constitute a useful mobile reserve?
F-16s can't achieve air superiority. Especially not the older models Ukraine is getting. You'll for sure see a lot of 90s western munitions suddenly start dropping on Russians, though.
We should never have launched this counteroffensive to begin with. I was quite happy smashing waves of suicidal Russian attacks because they know they can’t sit and be idle. The longer they wait, the more powerful we become. A dozen himars were enough to turn the tide of the war. A few hundred IFVs and tanks had them shitting bricks in fear. They kept coming and we kept killing them which made them only more desperate. They were reduced to using ww2 trucks even before our counterattack. Now it’s even worse for them.
I get mad when I think we were held back and TDF guys with next to no training were sent to hold Bakhmut. They should have sent us the regulars to fight. I guarantee you they wouldn’t have gotten past Soledar if that was the case.
Now this latest attack of theirs isn’t because we’re finished but because they know the clock is ticking. We have more big guns then them now. Their ace up their sleeve, their best weapon, the airforce got crippled even before we received your donated fighter jets.
We’re going to rip their guts out and they know it. They have no plan except hoping you get bored.
Я згoдeн з вaми, aлe зapaз вiйнy нe мoжнa вигpaти лишe вiйнoю. Є тaкoж eкoнoмiчний acпeкт, i y вopoгa зaкiнчyютьcя гpoшi. Moжливo, ми живeмo нa гpoшi зaхiднoї дoпoмoги, aлe пpинaймнi їх мaємo. y pociян нeмaє нiкoгo, кpiм китaйцiв, якi їх ґвaлтyють. yдaчi тoбi дpyжe.
пpaвдa Я дyмaю, щo нaшi шпигyни зaбaгaтo читaли пpo зaкoлoт Baгнepa.
>We should never have launched this counteroffensive to begin with
Americans would never provide cluster munition, ATACMS, Europe would never provide F-16
Чoмy нe пiд Aвдocoм, Mикoлo? Paдий вiн вiдбивaти хвилi кaцaпiв нa мecoпoтaмcькoмy фopyмi читaчiв Бaгpянoгo.
>t.
Кoлиcь ти дiзнaєшcя пpo poтaцiю coлдaтiв. Я вжe двiчi хoдив i пoвepтaвcя. We learned this from Respected Western Partners. Maybe you should try it so we won’t have more videos of you fags killing yourselves over a splinter or stubbing a toe.
NATO/US has no peers, only gross inferiors, so that’s a moot point
>They also told Ukraine to amass everything they have and bumrush south ignoring huge casualties they would take.
That’s exactly what Ukraine did not do. They attacked across the whole front from Kherson to Kupiansk and it was only when they concentrated in the direction of Tokmak did they start achieving real success, which was cut short due to the lack of resources and men expended on on those defeated offensives, and having to stop the current Avdiivka shitshow.
War is literally THE time for mass social cultural change, there is literally no better time to do it.
>War is literally THE time for mass social cultural change
WAR! Ugh!! Good God, y'all, what is it good for? The correct answer is a lot of things actually.
Rheinmetall is building their tank factory in the mountains in the southwest aren't they? Seems like a great location for UKRAD and whatever other bunkers they need built.
Ukraine will likely bristle post-war with "Azov factories" and artificial mountains.
I think we really need to rethink how we build cities and factories. We need vertical sprawl.
I fully approve of modern super-fortresses (especially in Taiwan).
Building vertically and densely is unironically more resource efficient. It’s why older (pre-car) cities are so compact. Plus less wall to build.
Kiev sits on the dnieper river. Left side is flat and swampy (the parts that weren't drained) while right side is tall fuck-off hills.
Adiivka has been on the front line since 2014. To think that there aren’t tunnels crisscrossing the whole town with various stockpiles of supplies and that all areas the Russians could advance across aren’t mined and pre-sighted for artillery would be insane. I don’t even think the Ukrainians could have picked a better spot for the Russians to waste their offensive potential.
I have zero idea why the Russians picked THERE of all places to try to take. It's absurdly overdefended.
What if it's a 5D chess faint?
I do sometimes wonder if Russians deliberately botch their own attacks in the hope of ending the war faster.
Nah, "If the enemy kills you, you win" is Trudeau-exclusive.
My guesses:
1. Russian officers and leadership likely were over confident they brunted Ukraine's ability to go on the offense in Tomak.
2. Therefore, they could attack elsewhere, and either draw Ukraine forces to stop the attack, or break through.
3. Surely if we throw all this armor and soldiers we have been stockpiling for weeks is more than enough to overwhelm holhols.
4. We need to take it to push past to take Donetsk Oblast. Putin's political goal is all of the Oblast, then to sue for peace and that is his shitty "exit strategy".
I think it boils down to wanting a propaganda victory, especially approaching an election (yeah, I know they aren’t “real” elections but Putin at least has to put on a show). It’s a suburb of Donetsk so taking it would of course be a huge win for the “liberating the Donbas” line which is the stated justification for the whole war.
>especially approaching an election
Fug. Makes me wonder if this is the real reason Prigozhin was offed. He could make a legitimate case the war was badly run, run for office on the promise of "gloves off" and actually win. Putin has little proper counter rhetorically to the nationalist right and they make him look weak, which is why he keeps killing and arresting him (which is good).
Prig and the patriots never had a chance there. The outcome of the election has already been decided, and it would take a coup to change it.
The way this kind of system works is that the leader just has to remain popular (or feared) enough that the people will accept the result, no matter how bullshit it is. Things will go smoother if he can please at least some of voters, though. Less work for the police and other internal armed forces.
Even though the elections are fixed, Pringles and nationalists could have started to incite street protests and riots if they felt they were being suppressed in an election, undermining Putin’s authority and moderates’ support for the war. I definitely think Pringles was trying to build a political base and his continued presence in Russia building networks post-mutiny pissed off Putin and sealed his fate.
3rd rome surpasses even farce
It's heavily defended, but honestly where else could the have pulled off a surprise attack on this scale? It's also the only cauldron they had ready to go. Cauldrons are the only hope Russia has for the kind of victory they need. Compare Bakhmut, where months and months of intense bloody fighting and countless dead Russians resulted in a "victory" that amounted to nothing more than moving the front line 2 miles.
Possible idea: if they managed an encirclement and victory, even at heavy cost, they could say they had "secured donetsk city and its suburbs from the hohols, protecting donetsk children" and that this, of course, was the true objective of the entire 3-day special military operation. Then they could claim victory, either sue for peace or dig in, and deal with the internal conflicts that are starting to boil
But of course they can't take this position no matter how much they invest in the attack, so it's turned into yet another disaster
Once you accept that senior Russian military command has orders to attack, it becomes a matter of picking the least bad option. It is close to Russian controlled rail lines and can therefore be supported logistically. You are close to a major city and therefore hospitals and so forth. It is also close to a major Russian airbase as I recall and they already have a ton of troops and vehicles nearby which can hide your build-up. If it is somehow a success, you can actually encircle the area and drive Ukrainian positions farther from your supply lines. It would also allow you to economize forces for further attacks.
I mean, where else CAN they attack? There is only bad options.
it's elevated in a flat area if you take it you get extended arty range
Desperation. If you don't control Ft. Slag, you lose Donetsk. monke isn't trying to take territory, he's trying desperately not to lose an absolute lynchpin to the entire Donetsk Oblast.
The problem, of course, being that this is the BEST Plan available to vatnikstan given their remaining resources and how they must be deployed. Mobility to transfer required military supplies has been vastly degraded, and I'll leave it to your imagination what the result would be if they attempted an air campaign.
I have a theory that this is related to the donetsk-tokmak rail link
With the Junction at tokmak now under ukie fire control this section of rail has now been completely cut, which makes the withdrawal of Russian forces from the area between these two points inevitable.
Given that russia has been failing to force the ukies back at robotnye for weeks now and that the russian position there is at the end of a long and tenous rail link passing through Crimea, the russians may have concluded it would be easier to restore control over the cut section near donestk and are attacking there instead.
Naturally, such a move would require pushing the Ukrainians out of the slag heap since it dominates all of the areas they would need to gold to clear the cut section of railway
>It is the 16th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them.
>It is the 17th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them..
>It is the 18th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them..
>It is the 19th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them..
>It is the 20th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them..
>It is the 21st century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of men fall before them as countless armies are broken in their attempts to take them..
>It is the 400th century, the Star Fort is the epitome of defensive war strategy. Waves after waves of ships fall before them as countless armadas are broken in their attempts to take them..
I simultaneously love and hate wh40kfags
That is quite a star fortress. Look at those geometric artificial hillsides. It's even got dragon's teeth around it.
Very nice.
Static fortifications don’t work against an enemy with air superiority, or, as the French discovered, an enemy who can drive around your defensive line
The point of the Maginot llne was to force a German invasion of the Netherlands/Belgium, because this guarantees that England enters the war.
Then why were French reserves disposed and tasked for a defense of the line instead of a meeting battle against the axis of invasion?
The original idea was for the Maginot Line to divert German forces into Belgium, where the French could concentrate their maneuver forces to counterattack any attempted German invasion. As a result, the Maginot Line didn't fully extend across the French-Belgian border because the French were expecting all the fighting to be happening on the German-Belgian border.
However, a wrench got thrown into the French's plans when the Allies failed to stop Germany's remilitarization and Belgium lost faith in France and declared itself neutral, meaning France could no longer garrison or deploy its troops into Belgium.
They did try to extend the Maginot Line to cover the French-Belgian border, but it was far too late.
That wasn't it. The Ardennes forest was unsuitable to attack through until armored vehicles could just roll through it, which is how Germany pierced French defenses. This created a problem for France because the French were all south of the Germans, the British were all north (northwest really but that was gonna change), and nobody was blocking Paris. Had Germany actually attacked through Belgium proper then France and Britain still would have linked up. and France wouldn't have been threatened.
France had given up on the Maginot line because it was a bad idea and France's generals already knew that modern armored warfare was changing fast.
Erm, no. The problem was that the best formations of the French Army AND the BEF were up north in Belgium trying to meet the expected german main thrust at the Dyle river and in the Gembloux Gap. The breakthrough via the Ardennes then cut off all of that and resulted in the French losing most of their mobile units and effectively their best army. The French did subsequently try to re-establish a line, but the Germans launched Fall Rot almost immediately and then just overwhelmed the remaining french military before it could fully reorganise from the initial disaster.
The Maginot Line was a key facet in that french initial plan - it allowed them to economise the defenses along that border manpower-wise, and free up more troops for that forward defense in Belgium. The Maginot did exactly what it was supposed to do in the overall strategic plan of the French. That plan just didn't foresee that the german main thrust would come through the Ardennes.
France and Britain should have attacked immediately while Germany was involved in Poland instead of "playing at war" - 'drôle de guerre' and letting Germany bring the war to them on Germany's terms.
They didn't have the military preparedness to launch an invasion. Plus, all their generals lived through WW1 and didn't wanna start another huge war
It's actually remarkable how similar the appeasement philosophy is to how the West handled Russia. No one wants a big war anymore, I bet if Russia had actually managed to blitz into Kyiv, no one would have batted an eye. Just like 2014
Completely unfeasible. Getting the BEF into France and Belgium took longer than it took the Germans to overrun Poland, and the biggest the French could do without disrupting their entire mobilisation system was the Saar Offensive. French plans for a larger offensive to take the pressure off the Poles was for it to commence like 10-12 weeks into the war. Nobody expected Poland to collapse within a month.
One explanation I heard why the French-Belgian border wasn't as heavily fortified was that it's impossible to explain that to your ally
>yeah we expect all the maneuver warfare to happen in your country, so our war plan is to completely devastate your entire countryside and then let them smash into our defenses
So what you're saying is it'll work against the Russians?
God damn it, how are star forts so beautiful
Too complicated. Just dump dirt in a pile. A really big pile.
My theory is that the Soviets let these slag heaps accumulate rather than trucking them off specifically because they make nigh impenetrable fortresses on the flat steppes and you can build them essentially for free.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was partially the case. Everything the Soviets did was out of a paranoiac preparation for a war that never came.
Vauban sisters, we're so back!
How badly have Russians fucked themselves with this offensive, wasting vital resources that SHOULD have been committed to defense?
In the grand scheme of things, not that bad, if the southern front does get worse for them it won't be because of Avdiivka
But it does cuck them out of any other offensive in the next few months at least
Losing all those vehicles will really sting, that's months of preparation gone
Fuck yeah Ukraine is kicking Russia’s ass!
I call for the Terrikon to be renamed Mount Super Potato.
****here is the corrected version
>"In fact, we are devaluing all the strikes, and now the enemy is forced not only to stop, but also to stop active mass counterattacks. Sectorally, the enemy is still trying to break up in small groups, to move on to surround us more closely, but they are no longer able to do so. I think we can withstand this format. Now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying the occupiers' advanced units to tighten the enemy's attack systems. Their destruction is a prerequisite not only for the defense of Bakhmut, but possibly for an offensive," noted General Malomuzh.
Fun's over, boys
Nothing lasts forever
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/russia-names-new-air-force-leader-replacing-rebellion-104183669
Oh, Surovkin has been shit-canned.
Took them time to decide. It looked like he was going to be out of house arrest/detention when he went to some event last I remembered.
never forget where it all started, pic related. the original, unaltered, pure copium map from the early days
holy fuck imagine returning to that period of time and telling people about the kharkiv collapse, kerson being retaken, bakhmut anime arc, etc
for me it's the transnistria cope stripes
Look how far past Mykolaiv they are in that cope map lmao they never fucking came CLOSE to that shit IRL
>i mean yes they were literally close to the city for a bit but got repelled pretty convincingly and never returned
Apparently /chug/ has links to Russians raping people (of all ages) in their general, so in terms of 'Russian boys with cameras' it is basically the first except, you know, rape.
Sorry I correct, Russian soldiers. Rather than just random Russians. I do question whether it is true or not because if it was true it should be banned for Global 1. Shan't be going to check, mind.
Ukraine needs to mass-produce anti-rape devices already. Remove Vatnik rape capability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device
We've sent them plenty of anti-rape devices. They're 227mm and contain 644 DPICM submunitions.
Unfortunately, I don't think the US has sent DPICM GLMRS, only Alternative Warheads. DPICMS have to be delivered like nouvelle cuisine, in smaller 155mm chunks.
They do now also have the 20pc. Bucket of fried chicken option in the form of ATACMS
>Unfortunately, I don't think the US has sent DPICM GLMRS, only Alternative Warheads. DPICMS have to be delivered like nouvelle cuisine, in smaller 155mm chunks.
The ATACMS Ukraine has gotten are all DPICM.
They're APAM, not DPICM.
What a stupid device. What do these people believe the rapist will do when you grate his dick to shreds? He will probably kill you.
maybe they think better dead than violated
in any case still a pistol seems better...
>Device holds evil Russian in place
>Woman pulls out gun and shoots him
>Device holds evil Russian in place
>ahahaha you've fallen into my tra-waitwaitwhatareyoudoi-
So basically it's the "when the Ukrainian penis is deep in our guts we clench our mighty Russian asshole" post but the other way around.
It's not a meme. That's just how they are.
Imagine airdropping packs of these onto vatnik training camps.
Vatniks would mass-hero. Their brains can't comprehend such a concept as rape prevention. Consensual sex. Safe sex. Sobriety. Zoning laws. Stop lights.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device
Didn't South Africa invent an anti-rape flamethrower too or was that just for dealing with car jackings?
Every weapon in South Africa is automatically for anti-rape purposes
>Apparently /chug/ has links to Russians raping people (of all ages) in their general
They don't.
We check ocasionally but it's just lists of known pows but some discorder keeps posting that they're totally there if you do your own research.
Desuarchive.
>it's totally there, just do your own research!
May we see it?
Some detachment did bypass Mykolaiv but was raped by local militias and AFU troops at Voznesensk
Ah I miss the noodle offensives from Kherson and north-eastern directions
imagine telling them that prigozhin was going to march on moscow, puss out at the last second, get killed a few months later in CIA/Bane fashion, and wagner is removed as a combat capable unit from ukraine.
God I wish he'd just fucking done it. That clown show would've absolutely been amazing to watch.
Post the source next time or kindly fuck off, with love.
>TFW you realise Mad Max was a documentary about modern Russians the entire time
>reading article on how the casualty rates for Russia have gone up 90% doing this attack
>they're stopping
>start clicking around and end up on an OSINT where autists counted how many non-tank vehicles Russia had left (that they could count, so not including stuff under cover)
>Russia has at least 9,000 AFVs of all kinds left
>They explain this is why Russia is so fucking careless with using them. They literally think 'there is thousands more and there are thousands more gullible retards to man them'
>rough estimate of at least two more years at the pace of loss so far before Russia is out of visible AFVs
This is never going to end, is it?
>OSINT
Which one? The ones I've seen are quite bearish on Russian reserves, to the point where they expected only 6-12 months of remaining reserves to be repairable as of August. 2023 WITHIOUT stuff like Adviika happening.
HighMarsed and CovertCabal.
Are they listing every visible vehicle at each location in their counts, or are they accounting for the shitty storage factor and giving estimates for how many are actually functional/vaguely repairable?
Just pure visible.
And therein lies the problem. There's a replacement rate that Russia is capable of, and as their stores get more disparate they have to search further and wider for parts to cobble together a working vehicle. The rates get worse as the war goes on, because you get mostly working vehicles missing a few parts at first, then you get barely working vehicles needing complete overhauls later.
visible vehicles
on the covertcabal yt channel
Both of those accounts are just working together and counting the number of shells at each base based on satellite imagery they can crowdsource. That is a good resources, but those bases are mostly scrap yards and neither of them has any real idea/sourcing for how repairable those vehicles are. HighMarsed thinks that only 10-30% are unusable which is a fantasy when we compare it to much better stored/maintained Western Equipment. Further, even if he was right that only 10-30% were completely unusable, it ignores the repair time such reconstitution will take. A better use of their time would be to count removed vehicles since the beginning of the war to ascertain Russia's ability to repair tanks/IFVs.
The limits of their analysis is support by evidence from the battlefield. Old 1950's and 1960's-era IFVs, trucks, and tanks being destroyed. Why is Russia using T-62s and BTR-50s when they have "repairable" T-72s and T-80s sitting in storage? The second problem is that, without any sort of evidence to support their assessment of repairable vehicles it ignores manpower and equipment bottlenecks. You might have 7,000 "repairable" tanks in yards, but if you can only get 10 engines per month, that is going to hard-cap what you can get into the field. You'll also repair and fix the best ones first, given the urgency, the repair time increases as the war progresses.
I prefer OSINT estimates based off previous production/repair rates from pre-war and other production data. It seems more in-line with what we're seeing on the battlefield.
>Why is Russia using T-62s and BTR-50s when they have "repairable" T-72s and T-80s sitting in storage
Production velocity. They can only build X new tanks and refurbish Y broken tanks per month but they need Z numbers to keep pace with losses. They fill the gap with antiques which is why we see a mix of new T90s, refurbished scrapyard T72s, and rusted out T55s and scooby vans.
Which is exactly what I posted about in the second paragraph. It is kind of pointless to take current losses, determine a "loss rate", and divide the number of parked vehicles sitting in storage by the rate of loss to get any idea of how long Russia can sustain the conflict. Those repair/refurbish/produce bottlenecks are a greater hurdle to force sustainment than the number of available hulks. I'm not saying it is completely pointless, but the actual numbers we need are more about their production/repair rates than the sheer depth of their reserves.
Those bottlenecks are the short term cap on Russian production. They delineate Russian production now; but the scrapyards mark a major long term cap because they govern 1) cheap stopgaps and 2) refurbished gear. Once they're gone, temporarily assuming for the sake of argument that doesn't handicap new production and that new production hasn't scaled up either, then Russia will be down to outputting ~200 new armored vehicles a year.
I think that is where we have a fundamental disagreement. I don't see how they can ever keep up with loss rates before collapse and therefore the number of hulks is kind of irrelevant. Secondly, I don't think there is long-term upside to Russian tank production. You can't have a baby in 1 month by getting 9 women pregnant, there are hard limits. Russia has massive worker shortages, lack of indigenous production capacity for certain parts, a loss of stockpiled production parts to meet short term goals, past bankruptcies in the military industrial system, corruption issues, financial limitations, production limitations due to limited production space, manufacturing shortages because they lack the ability to import specialized production equipment (that they can't produce on their own), etc.. It isn't like WW2, Russia can't build a ton of expensive factories to produce 1,000 tanks a year. I think 200 tanks a year is generous if we aren't including refurbishment. I know that is in line with some estimates, but that was a "best case" scenario that I doubt they can meet with all the wartime problems they're encountering.
Oh yeah I'm not saying like they're all working and shit like that, but if push came to shove, Russia is going to send in whatever. But I was just using it as a theory on why Russian commanders are literally throwing mountains of vehicles at Ukrainian lines. They must be thinking they have mountains left to use. The Russians are tricking people to go fight and die for them in the thousands. Not just Russians but other Central Asian nations, Serbians, Cubans and Africans. I have no idea why there hasn't been an effort to tell these people they're being lied to and tricked and will just die and get nothing.
So yeah, it was merely a point on how they're treating the vehicles like there are thousands left. Technically there is. Whether they run or have internal parts is another question.
At current vehicle loss rates (as claimed by Covert Cabal) Russia can continue another 3 years.
At current human loss rates it'll also take about 3 more years for Russia to reach the 1.5 million permanent casualties mark.
Conclusion: unless the Ukrainians make some sudden big gains, Putin will feed enough mobiks into artillery to keep the war going 2-3 more years.
That's a bad way to look at it. Imagine a store sold 20 cans of pop a day and they kept 100 cans in the store. If you looked at the warehouse and saw 900 more cans, you'd say "oh wow they can sell pop for 50 days!" In reality, the store might have a bottleneck and can only restock 10 cans a day from the warehouse. In such a case, they would run out in 10 days, not 50. That is the numbers we should be concerned with, current numbers, loss-rate, and replenishment-rate. Sure, storage might come into it eventually, but first we need to determine if they can sustain themselves long enough to hit bottom. The equation should be something like: X / Z - Y = A. Where X = Current Forces, Z = Loss rate, Y = replenishment rate
I'm aware of the principle. I think it's being used to justify a manifestation of the same naive optimism which predicted the counteroffensive would have cut through to the border by now.
Russian psychology and state control mechanisms are sufficient to pump mobiks out into hand-dug trenches sitting behind landmines. They'll hemorrhage offensive capability, but it's Ukraine which has to go on the offense to get their land back. Deleting Russia's tank force is helpful but Russia won't hit bottom if you do it.
Militaries don't collapse in a linear fashion. They lose capability in a linear fashion, and then collapse quickly. Ukraine has spent the whole summer deleting Russian artillery and by all Russian accounts it has been effective. I don't think we'll see nearly the same slow moving offensive as Russia continues to take massive losses. I'm not some optimist, I don't necessarily see it happening tomorrow or even 6 months from now, but when it happens everyone will be surprised at the speed. Those soldiers and landmines aren't going to be nearly as effective without heavy fire support.
Also helicopters can't help to hold the Russian defense anymore, at least not as easily.
Yeah. I predict that collapse won't be soon. It'll be nearer the hard cap on their reserves rather than sooner due to bottlenecks in supply flow, and therefore no sooner than 2-3 years out.
The Russian psychological weakness is to enemies in their rear. That's how the early Ukrainian breakthroughs succeeded but now the landscape is mined to hell it will be difficult to repeat.
>At current human loss rates it'll also take about 3 more years for Russia to reach the 1.5 million permanent casualties mark.
They're already around the 1 million mark after 20 months. Your math sucks.
The Ukrainians, even if they make big gains, need to keep Russia in the fight either until they're beyond the point of military regeneration or regime change occurs. Imagine if the Ukraine received an EVIL HATO BLACK MAGIC GAY BIOWEAPON that instantly moved all Russian men and materiel to 50km inside the Russian border nearest them and all Ukrainian forces to prepared defensive positions inside Ukrainian territory. What would happen?
The Ukrainian strategy is not a western strategy to achieve decisive victory in the field with minimal loss of life and expense. They would need a guarantee of instant NATO membership for that to be viable. No, instead they're pursuing an eastern attritional strategy that seeks to make the Russian state incapable of reinvading them any time in the near future by destroying the USSR stockpiles and inflicing a demographic KO. That's why both their offensive and defensive operations are now slow roll meatgrinders that seem optimised for KD.
How many of those 9000 AFVs are in working condition?
Follow the conversation chain. The replacement rate bottleneck has already been discussed.
How many of those AFVs are in REPAIRABLE condition, then?
>slagheap fortress Avdiivka has held out for nearly a decade
>Azovstal held out for nearly 2 months against the full concentrated fury of the pre-war Russian military
One of the main lessons I'm getting from this war is:
>tanks and armored thrusts are obsolete
>ships are obsolete
>fixed-wing aviation gets obsoleted if flying more than 100ft above the ground
>paratroopers are obsolete
>castles are not obsolete
The obvious key to winning any future defensive war is to build a steel plant on top of a giant slag heap.
God i love modern war with how 40k logic bullshits actually worked.
You gotta be earth moving, tunneling, building hive cities, just generally bunkermaxxing 24/7 or else you're just ngmi
All of those things are in fact not obsolete. You just have to actually employ combined arms and not be a retard.
Go back in time and tell January 2022 you that in a year and a half we're getting Russia trying to take a slag pile from their neighbor using mad max vehicles and meat waves.
post results.
>day 605 of american invasion in mexico
>our forces celebrate capturing a waste heap 2 miles from the border
>after assaulting it with 1930s trucks
burgerbros...
hey let's not repeat their mistakes
they were using 1958 trucks
wait they actually managed to capture the waste heap
they claim they did, but its probably still contested
ah so its another episode of having to rely Russian claims again, after the two previous times they claimed to have controlled it, thanks
The exact order of events from the RU side is
>"We captured the waste heap".
>*several days later* "We captured the waste heap for real this time".
>*several days later* "We captured HALF the waste heap and the roads behind it are totally cut off, trust us".
>*several days later* "The waste heap is basically a greyzone but the Ukrainians have totally lost control of it
Take that as you will
You forgot
>*several days later* "Our troops captured the top of the waste heap, with only the sky, God, and Ukrainian artillery-collecting drones above them"
No, both sides have fire control over it, meanwhile, Ukes attacked the south, trying to make a grab for Pisky.
Yep.
the trash is legally russia's*~~)
grey zone right now? Not enough concrete information, but there is probably two whole battalion of burned out armor in front of it so I'd say if the Russians got it, then it wasn't worth it
JUST LIKE HOW GRANDFATHERS TOOK BERLIN
Didn't the russians set the trash mountain in the grayzone though?
All those meat waves DID do something but jesus fucking christ if that's what gets them to succeed there is no chance in hell they'll maintain their numbers, especially in the south near Kherson and Tokmak
>Didn't the russians set the trash mountain in the grayzone though?
They need to constantly keep attacking to keep it in grey zone because the moment they stop attacking its easy for Ukraine to drive on it and push even entrenched Russian infantry from the foot
so how many russians you wanna bet will it take to actually put the mountain under their control and keep it that way?
5000? 6000?
I'm betting 10,000 given how retarded they are in just pushing shit out into the wide open
They simply don't have enough men there
I mean it seems like they have enough when they're supposedly drawing them from the kerson and tokmak fronts
especially given the ukies set up ANOTHER bridgehead over the river, it just seems like they're pulling from the weakest front in a desperate attempt to capture a fucking hill of garbage
>I mean it seems like they have enough
OP report clearly stating they don't have enough and are scaling down their attacks
yeah that's yesterday though, this is technically today
can you really believe a russian when he says "hey guys, look, we're scaling things back, please don't worry"
no they're gonna look at the next set of poor fuckers and scream "CLIMB THE FUCKING TRASH"
>can you really believe a russian when he says
Russians are not saying anything. It's Ukrainian general, states based on intel they have
I forgot to mention too that ukies are also performing a counter to that counter attack by attacking the southern wing of the russian meat wave assaults
so we might actually get to see more meat waves being ground into a fine red paste near avdiivka
who knows, maybe they will actually burn through their reserves so much that other parts of the front, maybe even tokmak, will actually collapse
>gr
>shilling for Russia
You bring shame to your people.
Greeks often shill for Russia because NATO and Turkey. They're also a bit of a failed state so they feel that kinship in a sense.
>remember guys Izyum is an Ukrainian lie since the brave artillery is still shelling Sloviansk as usual
Even if the Russians take the mountain, can they actually hold the mountain?
Tactically speaking, actually taking a slag mesa is a terrible idea. Not only do you not have the initiative to fortify it under constant bombardment, but a large flat area that is difficult to get up or down from is a prime target for artillery bombardment, something that Ukraine has shown to be highly effective with. So while it would be propaganda victory they wouldn't actually be able to keep it or leverage it to push elsewhere.
Has ANYONE a larger map for me where I can see what's happening where? I'm getting confused from all these eastern names and super small hamlets that see Stalingrad levels of strategic importance and fighting.
uacontrolmap.com
New footage from today. Ukrainians still control the waste mound. Russians lied twice about it after spending some 10,000 men and 1,000 pieces of armor.
damn are those smokes from complete and utter TZD that's currently occuring? sweet.
Where is that water body located in comparison to the heap? (kinda dangerous to expose their location like that)
Not him, but I think it might be the L shaped reservoir just east of the heap.
Looking at google earth I think it may actually be the smaller pond between the heap and the L reservoir. The video may also be mirrored based on the shape of the mound and the draws.
What are Russians going to do about it, send another wave?
my best guess
Slag within!
Slag without!
For a second I thought that was Nutnfancy in the thumbnail.
This post purportedly from a Russian soldier seems to go to the predictions about warfare of the future being an underground affair.
>gentlemen
When I look at that I hear the scream of an exploding rotweiner from H3VR, but the scream doesn't stop.
>first time somebody did this
funny
>41,427th time somebody did this
you're both retarded
So are we in an actual stalemate now?
>Russians attack, get crippled, basically give up
>Ukrainians attack in 3 fronts, get literally more than decimated in the initial thrust, and now are doing slow grinding attrition instead. Are progressing super slowly and its made even more painful by all the hopium about how after breaching x line it's about to be a breakthrough
ATACMS don't seem like they're going to do anything in the near term. They're raping stuff far from the front but the damage done won't be that big until 2024ish. Germany still hasn't sent TAURUS and the F16s won't get unlocked until 2024 either. All that time allows both sides to dig in even further and make assaults that much harder.
Russia keeps losing ground and suffering unsustainable losses in men and materiel. So not a stalemate.
But nice try repeating the same zigger propaganda lines for the billionth time.
Considering that the Ukies enacted TAD these last couple of months and these few weeks the Russians blew their entire load all over the shit heap of Avdiivka, it's anything but a stalemate.
>these few weeks the Russians blew their entire load
Yes I think we both agree that Russia has literally nothing to go on the offensive with now. They bled themselves dry during winter 2023 and this failed offensive was the nail in the coffin.
I am less than optimistic about Ukraine's assault in the south. Sending them into a minefield without the right tools was a death sentence for thousands of men and materiel. No NATO army would even consider going through multiple minefields and other defenses without air superiority and enough mine clearing vehicles.
The lines are pretty much set now and have barely moved in a year. Neither side has the manpower or equipment necessary to break through. The fall rains are coming to turn everything to mud, which makes going on the offense 10x harder. Unless something suddenly breaks in the next week or so I doubt that Ukraine will be able to reach Tokmak, much less the Azov Sea/Melitopol.
What the fuck is this John from Michigan oblast posting?
>the lines have been set
>the eggs of Tokmak remain unmeasured
Nigga, Tokmak is in range of everything but a medieval trebuchet and the pretty little painted lines on the map mean jack when a position becomes untenable to hold (see: the good will gestures of Kharkov, Kherson.)
He's right tough. We have almost no signs of Tokmak shelling even tough it is within range. So what's up with that?
Tokmak gets shelled almost daily, though.
You redditors are insufferable man. Everything that isn't 110% pro-Ukraine propaganda is a Russian or Indian.
The goal of the offensive was to have boots on the ground at the Azov Sea, not to still be 10km+ away from Tokmak, which is the minimum acceptable objective
>Everything that isn't 110% pro-Ukraine propaganda is a Russian or Indian.
Considering the # of times Pro-Russian stuff has come out to be proven a lie, probably.
>You're reddit!
>Stop labeling me a vatnik!
Ah, the speed at which these mental gymnastics are made. Truly admirable.
90% of war tourists are from /r/noncredibledefense
/pol/acks calling anyone "tourists" on /k/ is always hilarious and ironic.
99.999% of vatnik shills are cum/chug/ger tourists. Like you.
>doesn’t deny it
you vote democrat and have no guns
>The fall rains are coming to turn everything to mud
Mud and rain is not a universal problem in Ukraine. It affects Khakiv and the Donbass the most while Zapo and Kherson stay relatively dry. Even during this war the fighting in Kherson last year didn't stop with the onset of fall. In fact the city was liberated in November. This lines up with the statements by both analysts and Ukrainian command who said fighting in the south will continue well into the winter. Russia's operations will be impacted a lot more by the rain but since their offensive is borderline happening in the suburbs of Donezk it's unlikely they'll care much about the mud either.
>This lines up with the statements by both analysts and Ukrainian command who said fighting in the south will continue well into the winter.
I have no doubts that fighting will continue, I am less certain on whether it is a good exchange of manpower vs results. I side more with Mark Milley on the issue of Ukraine rains.
>Even during this war the fighting in Kherson last year didn't stop with the onset of fal
Kherson is a unique case of being a logistical nightmare to defend. On the wrong side of a major river with the logistical nodes being damaged. Kherson was 110% untenable and if someone less competent than Suryovikin was in charge it would have been fought tooth and nail to the end and wouldn't have been liberated in 2022
>Russia keeps regressing in tech and military capability
>Ukraine keeps pressing in tech and military capability
>Is it a stalemate?
see
Ukies aren't going for a western-style victory.
It’s attritional warfare that always precedes massive positional warfare.
Avdiivka has turned into an even bigger mess than Vuhledar, and lets not even start with the Kupiansk offensive clusterfuck.
Losing thousands of troops and pieces of equipment to gain nothing is not a stalemate, it’s setting yourself up for disaster (especially when there is no more mobilization waves until after 2024 Russian presidential election).
Happening?
D-DAY
D-DAY
D-DAY
LET IT HAPPEN
THE ZIGGERS LITERALLY HAVE ZERO (0) PRESENCE IN THIS AREA
D-DAY THE MOTHER FUCKERS AND WIPE THEIR SHIT OUT IN AN INSTANT
COME ON YOU UKIE FUCKERS, DO IT AND LET THE ZIGGER BLOOD FLOW
>Announce evacuations in Kherson
Does this mean we'll see tempo, tempo, tempo towards Severodonesk?
Pleeeease I've been edging since july
Given the way communication and structures work in the RU military, it will take at least 2 or 4 days for the attacks to stop.
yeah they are literally encircling it and you think they gonna stop?
where do you people live lol
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they are being evacuated as we speak i guess they are expecting a massive offensive?
not expecting
conducting
>Russkies fuck up on the slag heap of transdimensional superfortress Avdiivka
>meanwhile, a thousand fishing boats launch a special fishing operation from the northern bank of the Dnieper
Uh oh, stinky!
so all positions west of the dnipro?
it makes sense the winter is slowly setting a foothold in ukraine and having a buffer zone on the other side of the river is really important
>it makes sense the winter is slowly setting a foothold in ukraine
Yeah they tried that.
Sent armor and the marines (oo-rah) into Vuhledar.
The winter offensive was a complete shit show only surpassed by the shit heap of Avdiivka the past few weeks.
yeah they are quite literally not the same
The vatniks of yesteryear sure did end up the same as the current ones tho.
LEMAO