In an enlightened society, would it replace 22LR?

Yes yes, I know, this is a seemingly moronic idea. But why not? It has the potential on paper to do everything that people like about 22LR. Due to the fast twist you can get twice as heavy subsonics for suppressed shooting or long range precision. Unlike 22LR it is actually realistically reloadable. It isn't limited by having a rim, being rimfire, or feeding/mag stacking issues.
>but the expense!!!
Yes, but imagine if there was no more 22LR and all those machines and materials were redirected into making primers. All ammo would come down in cost. And since everyone in this hypothetical enlightened society would have a reloading press at home, the cost for ammo would be virtually nothing.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this is a seemingly moronic idea
    Do not be so modest anon, it's a lot more than "seemingly"

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.7x28
    >everyone just reloads it
    OP is bozo the fricking clown

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not?
      Yes, I understand the lacquer causes issues, but this is only with full-length sizing.
      Additionally, many 5.7 guns currently on the market don't even need the lacquer coating. Smith and Wesson themselves have said this about their 5.7 pistol.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tell me you don't reload without telling me. Bottleneck cartridges are a pain in the ass and 100% not worth reloading for handguns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No they aren't.
      I prefer straight wall stuff, but that's only because it's easier to scoop powder into a .45" hole than into a .22" hole.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lubing and the extra cleaning that comes with it aren't necessary in a straight wall. Straightwall cases are also simpler to manufacture and thus cheaper. Same goes for unjacketed lead bullets. If anything, .22 Winchester Auto is superior to .22 lr because it's not heeled and even that is debatable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I reload a shit ton of 357 SIG. A collet crimp makes it easy.
      5.7 is a unique pain in the arse that isn't representative of bottlenecked pistol rounds in general.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It has the potential on paper to do everything that people like about 22LR.
    weird, 22lr excels at being cheap. how is 5.7 doing?
    >22lr without rapist shipping: 4.4 CPR
    >5.7 without rapist shipping: 45 CPR
    it's dogshit. it's absolutely horrible value for shooting enjoyment. it's absolutely dick hammered by almost every other caliber for a dollar per smile ratio. not that you would understand what that is, you stupid homosexual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You didn't read the post. Try again, sweetheart.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Try again, sweetheart
        Nta but do you paint your finger nails OP?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's absolutely horrible value for shooting enjoyment.
      do you c**ts say the same about 45AARP ?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why shoot native animals instead of invasive species like cats?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because clout chasing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >instead of
          why not both?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >instead of
          why not both?

          homosexuals

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think OP realizes it's underpowered and overpriced for a viable defensive round. It would indeed make a good varmint round for sure, as does non-fragmenting .223 out of a short barrel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It would indeed make a good varmint round for sure,
        so, like every other handgun cartridge?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    even if you got rid of 22lr, everything else would be more fun than 5.7. the fact you hide behind a fantasy shows was a stupid homosexual moron you are.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    would you rather shoot:
    100 rounds of 22lr
    10 rounds of 5.7
    or 7 rounds of 44 magnum
    all cost about $4.50
    frankly there is no enjoyability difference to me between 22lr and 5.7, both have practically no recoil. so at an expense of TEN TIMES AS MUCH you gain nothing. 44magnum has far more recoil, is chambered in engaging and interesting guns.
    if you ever shot guns these truths would be self-evident and you wouldn't have the urge to keep making these moronic homosexual threads.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP here, I carry a 5.7x28mm as a woodscarry gun. Biggest animal in my area are black bears that generally don't frick with people and can easily be scared off so I don't feel the need to tote my heavy as shit 44 mag. 5.7x28 ammo is much more consistent and reliable compared to even the best 22LR in my experience and I own 4 22LR pistols. The 5.7x28 has about the same bullet weight going around 800 FPS faster than a 22LR from a pistol which makes it super flat shooting and less finicky about shot placement, I've taken a coyote at 70 yards. I'm sure there are people that can do that with 22LR but with my skillset I feel more comfortable relying on the 5.7 when I'm out hunting/hiking.

      I don't think the 5.7 is a replacement for 22LR for plinking, but I don't think the 5.7 has "no place" against the 22LR.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7 has a weird case design meaning its straight walled but bottlenecked thus without the poly coating on the case you will suffer case separation when extracting, 4.6 is a better choice, it also weaker so would be easier to make blowback guns

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget that all of the simple blowback guns mutilate the cases during firing and require a shitload of work to send the shoulder back to where it belongs. it's not like resizing 9mm or 45.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And you have to trim them before each reloading - in addition to the rest of the bottleneck reloading bs, and you can only reload them 2 or 3 times because of the insane amount of brass stretch, making it only marginally cost effective to bother. OP is being so fricking moronic on so many levels it actually hurts to think about it, it's just stupidity all the way down.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you have to trim before each loading
          This is objectively false, you only trim if you are full length sizing, which you only do if you want to shoot it in multiple guns

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which is a moot point, because most people only own one .22 lr anyways and nobody owns autoloading .22s either, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It is objectively true. Neck sizing does not work on the 5.7 even if you just use it in one gun, because it is fired from simple blowback guns, which causes the cases to stretch in the chamber, moving the shoulders forward considerably. The sizing die must move those shoulders back into place, and the amount of metal movement during firing and resizing means the cases must be trimmed every time, and carefully monitored for thinning and splitting.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you fricking moron. Your dumb gay anti-22lr bullshit you've been autistically posting for the last year is still dumb and gay.
    >Yes, but imagine if there was no more 22LR and all those machines and materials were redirected into making primers
    Wouldn't matter in the slightest. Rimfire is fundamentally cheaper as a matter of materials and physics. 9mm is already as cheap as ultra mass manufactured centerfire gets. You're a fricking moron.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because it comes apart occasionally

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. When I want to shoot a squirrel or chipmunk, or dispatch a raccoon in a trap, I don't want or need all the extra power and noise. I don't want to spend 25 to 50cpr when .22LR can do it for 4cpr.

    >making primers

    Any centerfire cartridge uses waaaaaaay more brass than the .22 case. Ammo might come down a little, but with centerfire replacing .22 for all its uses, brass would go up. So you'd at least be paying as much. Plus, .22 will never wear out a barrel, while 5.7 can. Your idea is stupid.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Unlike 22LR it is actually realistically reloadable
    Its a bottlenecked cartridge, because of the completely straight wall (no taper) the case has a secret poly coating that only FN and Fiocchi know the recipe of, and the cases crack all the time forcing handloaders to buy new overpriced brass rather than reload the already used brass.

    5.7 was so bad for handloaders that the people who do that kind of stuff all decided to buy .22 TCM (more power but less capacity) instead.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes because it's just expensive .22 magnum. It's not rimfire so it'll never be as cheap.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yes, but imagine if there was no more 22LR and all those machines and materials were redirected into making primers. All ammo would come down in cost.
    God you people are so fricking stupid. You're the same fricking vermin who spend all their time campaigning against cartridges you don't shoot because you can only think in zero-sum terms like "if a machine is making .40 it's not making 9mm so .40 is making my 9mm more scarce"

    You're just a moronic c**t.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yes, but imagine if there was no more 22LR and all those machines and materials were redirected into making primers.
    brass is cheap. priming compound is cheap. complex manufacturing steps are expensive. a single primer is more complicated than an entire .22LR cartridge, and you can see this reflected in the market prices of bulk primers versus bulk rimfire ammo. moron

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "hurr durr in fantasy situation would x beat y?"
    in an ideal fantasy situation, Black folk like you would be at the end of a rope, and ammo would be free to all

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just make a longer 9mm, with the casing being as long as the 5.7 casing, you could have a 115gr flat nosr 9mm bullet traveling at 1600fps out of a 5inch barrel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dude, theyve made every possible length of 9mm straight wall cartridges all the way from 17 to 43mm. if you want to drive a .355 or .357 bullet to any particular velocity, you can.

      Not OP here, I carry a 5.7x28mm as a woodscarry gun. Biggest animal in my area are black bears that generally don't frick with people and can easily be scared off so I don't feel the need to tote my heavy as shit 44 mag. 5.7x28 ammo is much more consistent and reliable compared to even the best 22LR in my experience and I own 4 22LR pistols. The 5.7x28 has about the same bullet weight going around 800 FPS faster than a 22LR from a pistol which makes it super flat shooting and less finicky about shot placement, I've taken a coyote at 70 yards. I'm sure there are people that can do that with 22LR but with my skillset I feel more comfortable relying on the 5.7 when I'm out hunting/hiking.

      I don't think the 5.7 is a replacement for 22LR for plinking, but I don't think the 5.7 has "no place" against the 22LR.

      5.7 and .22lr are non competitive cartridges. it's like saying
      >I like bananas more than calculus.
      after someone asked you what your favorite song was
      umm, thanks. go be a fricking moron somewhere else.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >entire thread spent comparing 22LR vs 5.7x28mm
        >wow what a moron why are you responding to a comparison of 22 vs 5.7

        You're a homosexual and I bet 99% of this board doesn't use their guns for anything other than shooting at their local range.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you didn't post bad faith arguments, what would you post?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .38 super, 9x23 Win, 356 TSW.
      Problem is finding a good gun to ream the barrel on. 45/10mms tend to be really fat and compacts have mags that are too short.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don't let the haters get to you anon, i love 5.7 and my ps90. reloading it is absolutely a b***h though not worth the time

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oddly what .22LR excels in is being cheap! Is your replacement cheap? Then it's not a replacement. Plinking ammo does not need superior anything.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All ammo would come down in cost
    no it wouldn't
    >everyone in this hypothetical enlightened society would have a reloading press at home
    no they wouldn't
    >the cost for ammo would be virtually nothing.
    no it wouldn't

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A truly enlightened society would exclusively use 22 short.

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