In 2024 Do bad semi auto handguns even exist?

To me a bad handgun is a handgun that isn't reliable, meaning that jams, or that it isn't safe.

Are there NEW guns that you consider to be bad? Maybe the Beretta pico is the only thing I can think of...if you have examples bring them here.

I also wanted to ask you: considering the great reliability of modern handguns, what is the point to buy a "triple A" gun froma firm: Glock, Beretta etc... instead of going for something like a Taurus G2 or some handguns from firms that are less "fashionable"?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >or that it isn't safe.

    Sig P320 and all those shot femurs come to mind.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I gave a fast reading about the issues...well it was a disappointing lecture, especially considering that these things are used by the US armed forces.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Glockgay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I prefer metal framed handguns, thanks

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >cz75gay

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying the glorious manga gun is bad
            please commit sodoku

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, I like a gun you can actually dry fire without breaking, and that’s not a CZ.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Why not just use a snap cap
              It's an external hammer fired gun too so you can just wiener it by the hammer for dryfire

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Be tyrone
      >Buy P320
      >Go to meeting with the rival gang to settle a dispute
      >Argument ensues
      >Draw a pistol and tell them to frick off
      >Pistol goes off
      >Everybody starts shooting
      >20 dead, you are wounded
      >Police arrives
      >Drop your pistol , ready to surrender and taken to the hospital
      >Notice, one officer has a pistol, which looks simillar to yours
      >Oh, sh...
      >It goes off
      >You get pierced with dozens of qualified bullets
      >YFW all of this could have been avoided

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>Drop your pistol , ready to surrender and taken to the hospital
        It should have gone off here

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sig kept going off, so it was empty at this point.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bad per se, maybe not, but I have read that the Beretta APX has a penchant for rupturing cases which is bad juju for a modern polymer gun

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I decided I would have never bought that handgun when I saw that stupid pin thing moving on the top of the barrel. I know it is stupid thinking, but I just didn't like that, it gave me an internal turmoil. (What is for? What if it breaks? Damn it looks ugly).

      Did they fix their polymer?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Glocks rupture cases all the time but no one cares because they cope and blame it on shitty ammo

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They really dont

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is that why ammo manufacturers have to put disclaimers out that their standard pressure ammo isn't safe for them?

          >If this condition exists, normal pressure loads such as those shown here can cause the case wall to bulge or rupture at the unsupported point.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let me guess, +P loads from someone like Underwood?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let me guess, +P loads from someone like Underwood?

            I checked and that screencap is from Buffalo Bore

            https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=116

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fricking called it. Thanks anon. I’m not hating on Buffalo bore, they make good shit. But it’s also very hot +P. The other guy also left out
              >The issue of Glock pistols not having a fully supported chamber is with the 40 S&W cartridges only, not 45 ACP, 10mm, 9mm or 380 Auto. While Glocks chambers are not fully supported in any of those calibers, only the 40 S&W brass is weak enough in the web for it to be a safety issue. I REPEAT, only the 40 S&W is a safety issue with chambers that are not fully supported. You do not need to be concerned with this issue when using our 45acp+, 10mm, 380 auto+P or 9mm+P or +P+ ammunition in Glock pistols.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/an-historical-view-of-chamber-support-or-lack-thereof-in-glock-40-caliber-pistols/

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have never heard this about new or old APX variants. It's a solid gun.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Before someone responds to you with that tired meme.
    Hi Points are very reliable in the hands of everyone who isnt a melanated urban scholar, and the company will even take a gun back and fix it for free, even if you aren't the first owner.
    Lot of fuddlore memes from people who've never owned one right out of the factory (or sent it back for repairs if pre owned).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i have no idea how can they make a 230 dollar gun and make profit out of it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What's more they operate debtless, they're the only gun company that isn't playing the constant debt juggling act that every modern large company plays, meaning in business terms they're 100% in the Black.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I now have much more respect for the company

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Damn that's impressive

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I believe ruger is too, which is how they can crank out shitloads of LCPs and sell them <$300 a pop (at least before COVID, idk what they are now)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            pic related

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          A buddy of mine worked for hi point in Ohio. They would get drunk as frick at holiday parties and throw darts to decide who would win the prize guns. They also had raffles all the time, and no they didn’t give away hi points. Anyways, my buddy won an mpx after hitting a bullseye left handed with both eyes closed. He became a legend that day

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >230 dollar gun
        Where are you seeing hi point pistols for $230? It’s like $150-180.

        That also means they’re selling them to retailers for maybe $125-150 and still making a profit which is insane. Hi point is legit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        People really overestimate how much it costs to make a gun. A Glock only costs a couple hundred dollars to make but they've done enough marketing over the last several decades that people will pay 2-3x that much. The lowest common denominators of gun users (police) switched over in droves just because they were able to undercut metal frame handgun manufacturers by an order of magnitude and jams, explosions, and the rest are history.

        I believe ruger is too, which is how they can crank out shitloads of LCPs and sell them <$300 a pop (at least before COVID, idk what they are now)

        Ruger took the P3AT and made it cheaper with cast parts. They could sell them for $150 and still make a nice profit.

        What's more they operate debtless, they're the only gun company that isn't playing the constant debt juggling act that every modern large company plays, meaning in business terms they're 100% in the Black.

        Kel Tec refuses to expand and make guns in the quantities demanded because George Kelgren is very risk averse after having several companies go under

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They could sell them for $150 and still make a nice profit.
          maybe if they were selling nothing but LCPs, but you gotta remember, unlike high point, they sell a ton of other stuff that's probably not as high margin or even loss leaders.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you not familiar with Ruger? Their entire existence has been making cheap cast guns that are just as good™ as guns made with better manufacturing methods.
            M77 is a cheaper to make Mauser that sells for more than one made of all forged parts
            Their ARs make PSA look like gucci shit
            Their cast revolvers sell for more than forged Smith and Wessons even though everyone knows they cost a lot less to make
            They have very healthy margins on everything because of all the marketing they've done

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              > Their cast revolvers sell for more than forged Smith and Wessons
              But they don’t

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                686s have been just over $600 new recently when gp100s have been closer to $700
                J frames are less than their Ruger counterparts too
                N frames are $100 less than Redhawks and have a $75 rebate on top of that right now

                Let me guess, +P loads from someone like Underwood?

                pressure

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >686s have been just over $600 new recently
                Oh bullshit. Show me where. I won’t deny GP100s have gone up in price, everything has. But 686s don’t sell for less than $750.
                >normal pressure
                Then you won’t mind showing where that text came from right? You can say the brand or better yet link to it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Show me a factory new 686 for $600.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        PSA sells daggers for that much if you buy slides and frames seperately. economy of scale is a hell of a drug.

        basically any striker fired pistol should be sub 300

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only polymer framed handgun that I have fired and liked was HK.
    With that said, even the most ghetto-ass polymer and zamac Black personblaster will probably work consistently.
    Paying more for a midrange 9mm or 40 SW handgun will get you something which feels nicer, has more features and is less bulky, but the Black personblaster will still work.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My worst handgun by far is a sccy cpx2, but it still works properly most of the time and isn't even outright dangerous to shoot

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes Glocks are still being made as far as I’m aware

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is the point to buy a "triple A" gun froma firm: Glock, Beretta etc...
    First of all I wouldn't call those anywhere close to top tier handgun makers--not that they're bad, but you can spend $5k on a handgun.
    The question is valid but I think it's easy to answer: do you see the gun as a hobby, or as a tool? If it's just a tool to you, like a screwdriver or a hammer, then there's little point in buying anything super fancy unless you're using a lot. Something like a G2 makes plenty of sense for a basic carry gun. Now if this is a tool you're using a lot, or if you're an enthusiast then you might want something fancier.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Turkshit and pinoyshit

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Glock
    >mim ejector arm, extractor claw, the ejection spring and plunger assembly in the wing order by the mim employees and completely unresolved reliability issues
    Sig p320
    >inconsistent upgrades, parts bin guns that have older and newer parts that still randomly go off, recall never made them uniform so nobody cab track what is wrong with what part
    Psa dagger
    >buttery barrels, inconsistent upgrade geometry,
    Cz 75 series
    >brittle springs and other parts from poorly heat treated metals, awful finishing leaving machine marks and gritty running guns, they never fixed the firing pin retaining pin thing, sloppy fitment making them horribly imprecise

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Man such a let down, I kept a 75B as "home defense gun" after I sold the rest to the gun store after my dad died...and now you guys are telling me it is unreliable?

      I honestly thought it was just as good as a 92

      Damn

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's all bullshit
        The B models may occasionally be a little gritty because they have the firing pin safety but that's all

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I sold the rest to the gun store after my dad died
        The 75 is too good for you

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's a Euro like myself and inheriting guns in Yurostan is a massive PITA

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Cz 75
      >they never fixed the firing pin retaining pin thing, sloppy fitment making them horribly imprecise
      You have never even held one in your life

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Blow me

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then my verdict is even more damning and I'm forced to conclude that you can't shoot for shit.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              My slow fire PB is 97 at 25m with a bone stock 75B
              What's your excuse

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t see those awful machining marks you complained about

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My original CZ 75 is actually less smooth looking than that lol
            But the action is as smooth as butter

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most bad guns were stopped by antigunners in the 80s and 90s trying to ban poor peoples' guns. The feds helped with import restrictions some years earlier.
    The result was the cheapest guns got banned, and what remained has been mostly reliable.
    Domestic production made up for what couldnt be imported.
    Then concealed carry became big and small guns became a primary focus and the type of guns once preferred by criminals were the guns the market wanted the most. Except now those small guns were made by reliable manufacturers.

    So no, you can thank the antigun people of the 80s and 90s for most guns firing reliably now with few jams.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes and no, the Taurus Curve and the Remington R51 recently hit the market and were dropped shortly thereafter, so bad semi-autos do happen they just don't last. We're past the Ring of Fire days when extreme budget engineering and no internet led to extended production runs of severely compromised pistols.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >In 2024 Do bad semi auto handguns even exist?
    Yeah

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 320 is genuinely bad
    >Ugly
    >Giant
    >Doesnt work
    >Sig
    >Siggers

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