In 2016 the russian carrier Kuznetsov lost 1/6th of it's fighter complement due to landing and takeoff accidents while conducting operations in Syria resulting in the air wing being moved to an land base for the rest of the operation.
How many planes need to be lost due to accident for a carrier to no longer be able to fulfill it's duties?
what is that smoke cloud? does it run on coal or something?
Tl;dr it burns shitty Russian fuel that smokes like crazy. Why it uses that fuel is not clear to me
technically it doesn't burn any fuel because it hasn't left drydock in years and won't any time soon
Didn't a crane fall on it in the last year or so?
Wrong an0n, the Kuznetsov can and will burn even in the drydock.
Let's enjoy some more pictures of Russia's only aircraft carrier burning.
>kuznetsov
I rember
That is USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6) burning down in dock in 2020, which I assume is the joke anon was trying to make.
To add, it's one of 8 (now 7) of it's class and burned due to arson. One of it's crewmembers was a butthurt gay who failed to become a SEAL.
I have always been extremely salty about this. He did not do it, he was not found guilty of it, and the evidence that he did do it was that he was in the same general area of the fire and a single other sailor saw someone who they thought was the guy walk out at about the same time, and when they were asked a second time they said that it might have been another person.
All the SEAL bullshit came out after the USN began a very obvious slander campaign, after all there actually WAS a case of arson in the USN so when they point fingers people tend to take it at face value.
Yeah, just like how Iowa's turret detonation was absolutely caused by a suicidal homo sailors and totally not any long-standing issues with the ships maintenance and general institutional rot in the Navy.
>same chopper pilot was Hero of Soviet Union during Chernobyl Special Operation
That isn't the Kuznetsov.
Its ukrainian those morons stole her and look what they did to her
>snow in the background
How the fuck do you manage to start a fire in a freezing temperatures
The real question is how does an actual fire smoke less than the engines working normally.
how on earth do the soviets make tens of thousands of working tanks, millions of usable rifles, but fail so hard at making a ship? corruption?
They've always had an utterly shit navy. Just no major naval tradition in the first place.
it goes a little deeper than this - much of the shipbuilding expertise that the USSR and even Tsarist Russia would have had access to was Ukrainian, and it just so happened that when they (repeatedly) purged the Ukrainian intelligentsia to "dampen Ukrainian nationalism" or left Ukrainians starving/uneducated... they lost the only people that could be considered naval experts in the entire nation
It was unfinished when the Soviet Union fell and the shipyard that built it was in Ukraine. The Russians tried to do the work themselves and the result was the environmental disaster, bottomless money pit, and national embarrassment that is the Admiral Kuznetsov.
For reference, this is normal operation.
whilst this is a fire out of control, crippling the ship.
You could track this fucking thing from orbit
Yes, it gives warm feelings and happy memories to kosmonauts every time the look out of space station window and are remembered of their happy days as marine aviators.
thats actually embarrasing
it is in fact a photo of the Sicilian volcano Mount Etna erupting, with the island itself photoshopped out, not the Kuznetsov, but don't let details get in the way of a good story, eh?
the non doctored pictures don't paint a better picture
At that point I expect someone utterly random like Algeria or Bangladesh to sink it with a fucking Exocet just because they saw this plume of atmospheric cancer and wanted to save both the ship and planet earth from the misery of its continued existence
One of the enviromental groups do it
>that time greenpeace went to war with russia
Just sabotage the tugboat constantly escorting it and let the sea do the rest.
can't wait for the sea shepherd to sink this piece of garbage
Or Somali pirates capture the tugboat and take the whole carrier with them back to Somalia.
Maybe they could fix it and get it working better than Russia could and then use it for piracy. A pirate aircraft carrier would be even funnier than the shit the Russians do to it.
>Algeria
>Exocet
They'd purchase a marrocan missile before a French one anon.
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP
Conscript Ivan was probably cold on watch because non-essential areas are probably not kept warm. He lights cigarette to dull the cold edge. The rest can be inferred.
In fact things tend to burn better in the cold. The air is drier.
Fossil fuels absolutely do not burn better in the cold, and neither does gasoline. You need an atomized fuel or a vapor to ignite. There's a reason why diesel engines have glow plugs or grid heaters.
But they do.
Diesels sometimes need help when starting in cold weather because they are compression ignition. They compress the air until the fuel reaches flash point. Cold inlet temperatures limit the ability to hit the auto-ignition temp of the fuel on a cold engine. P1V1/T1=P2V2/T2, yo.
Colder air once things get running is actually better because it lowers intake temperatures, like an intercooler would, for greater charge density and increases adiabatic efficiency. At least in your normal diesel engine. Learn 2 thermo.
But these are rankine-cycle turbines driven by a boiler burning asphalt. They have both the optimal temperatures for burn efficiency of the shitty fuel to consider at more-or-less atmospheric pressure plus the more complicated steam cycle to deal with.
Jesus dude you're wrong like four different ways. Just stop posting if you don't know what you're talking about.
Even by Russian standards you've had a lot of vodka. But they said go weld the pipes, and you don't want to disappoint the motherland, so you go weld the pipes.
Of course there are problems. The blankets. The cases of vodka. Live ordnance. All near the pipes you are welding. Why? Why have they done this to Russia? Where is proofs?
Soon after you have casually strolled back to the barracks you notice several comrades staring at the glow in the distance
What is it? The Kuznetsov is burning? Cyka blyat!
>In West, ship uses fuel.
>In Russian Federation, ship is used as fuel.
Thank you. Thank you. This has been the first Yakov Smirnoff joke made in over 25 years.
Your criticisms are not unfounded but it actually has left drydock
https://flotprom.ru/2023/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F4/
>dry dock sinks
>it has TECHNICALLY left dry dock
I can't tell if you are joking or not but I kind of hope you are because then it means you don't know about this
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-aircraft-carrier-sinks-repairs-admiral-kuznetsov-renovation-dry-dock-murmansk-a8608596.html
But seriously, they "built" (don't get me started) a new dry dock, moved it there, repaired it, had fires, repaired the fires, and have now relaunched it from the drydock. They are supposed to finish up the refit while afloat and be done early/mid 2024. I am still holding out hope that we get at least one wildlife related incident or at minimum a lightning strike.
>sunk by orcas in 2025
Was thinking more bats/birds nesting in some important machinery or like a wolverine being behind a service panel on the bridge and no one has any idea how it got there.
You forgott the part where important parts of the ship got stolen and some other parts never got delivered from France because of the embargo, then the lead engineer of the project falls out of a window somewhere and and the director of the shipyard gets 20 years in gulag for corruption and then a freak accident happens caused by a marten killing 12 men.
Fun fact, as a result of the 2019 fire 2 guys where killed, 12 wounded and 2 are still reported missing. Thats right, MIA inside an aircraft carrier in drydock.
Oh fantastic, now it's definitely haunted on top of everything else fucked with it.
>You forgott
No dipshit, we are speculating about what could happen next
REAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD
Yes, my money is on flying engineers, gulaged yard directors and a wild marten killing 12 guys.
>REAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD
>the dry dock actually did literally sink
OH NO NO NO NO
i would run a navy like that if i were drunk, checks out
Ummm akshually their drydocking sucks so much that even when it is in drydock, there is no portside power hookup for it, meaning it needs to be running even while parked just to keep the basic ship necessities functional
No that is not a joke, as much as I wish it was
God, please tell me it has a small auxiliary diesel engine to provide electricity for hotel services and routine maintenance tasks. I don't care if it's a lie, just tell me.
No. There is no god.
haha..
yes, it has
>I'm lying
what a piece of garbage
The Chernobyl show has your answer;
>why do our control rods have graphite tips
>why do our reactors not have containment buildings
>why does our carrier use dogshit heavy fuel oil
>it’s cheaper.
A big thing is that you’re supposed to pre-heat the heavy fuel oil (basically have it boiling to leaven it and make it less of a congealed mass when it hits the engine) but fucking retard vatmoron sailors can’t or won’t or don’t know to do this preheating process so for all intents and purposes that shit is burning unprocessed heavy crude
it's so the pilots can find their way back after jettisoning their payloads
Interesting read on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-runs-on-dirty-fuel-mazut-2022-4?op=1
>The same admiral then went onto describe the Kuznetsov's 1990s sea trials. Due to the problems with the pipes, not all boilers could run at full capacity all the time, and they would often break down. Sometimes the ship was reduced to operating on one boiler, giving it a speed of around 4 knots.
>Sometimes the ship was reduced to operating on one boiler, giving it a speed of around 4 knots.
Hey, just a totally hypothetical question, if you already need a cope ramp to get your CAP airborne with half empty fuel tanks, how much is that reduced by going 4 knots instead of 30 into the wind?
26 knots is about 25% of the takeoff speed of a mig-29k.
So it's significant
Remember airspeed is what matters, and not ground speed, so 4 knots into the headwind is probably still ok.
>But what if there's no wind?
Can't launch planes if there's no wind to blow the kuznetzovs smog plume away, visibility is too low, so it's not a problem.
how much fucking smoke sludge must be on every surface of that hellride? imagine having to do maintenance and have to scrape away layers of tar before you can even remove a bolt
if that were a car it would've been scrapped right then and there. Guess they sunk too much money into this piece of shit to scrap it
They actually stole it from Sevastopol harbor before the Ukrainians do could anything about it. The ship wasn't even fully completed, so the Russians had to finish building it themselves. I suspect that had something to do with the Kuznestov's endless reliability problems. It's extra dumb because the newly-independent Ukraine didn't have the money to complete it, so Russia could have just bought it for next to nothing and had the damn thing finished in the Mykolaiv Shipyard that had built it. The Ukrainians would have been grateful as hell for the Russians helping to keep their shipbuilding industry afloat in the immediate post-Soviet years.
But no, the Russians stole it, couldn't get it to work right, and have probably spent thirty times as much trying to keep it running than it would have cost to buy it and have it completed by the only shipyard that knew what it was doing.
I think the Russian sailors made the decision by themselves
>All engines full.
>Boilers burning on forced draft.
>Tie down the safety valves.
>Pipes start bursting from overpressure.
>Makes 5 knots.
When Russia can afford to make a new carrier.
So, never.
They designed it around a new fuel but royally fucked up because the boilers they equipped her with literally can't reach a high enough temperature to allow it to burn properly.
Worse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut
That's just ivan having a smooooke break, nothing to see here.
If you can't keep up a CAP and perform a strike at the same time. So Kuzzy isn't, was never, and will never be real operational carrier. Aviation cruiser is actually an accurate description, it's just a Slava with CAP.
Don't forget the hundreds of sailors that died at the hands of the mutants that lurk below her deck. Probably fucking gene stealers down on the lower levels.
>alone, deep in the bowels of the beast
>hear a tap, tap, tapping of a pipe straining against it's half century old welds, steam whistling like an angry wind
>the tapping is morse code
>"kamtchatka to all, do you see torpedo boats?"
>Kamchatka to all, they're everywhere!
>a spectral English fishing trawler passes through the hull, leaving metal intact but dragging any flesh it touches back to 1905
I just read up on the Dogger Bank incident. It's amazing how incompetent and retarded the Russians have been for literal centuries.
Read up on the entire Voyage of the Damned if you haven't. It only goes south from there.
They didn't die. They just became more mutants
Sea Hulk Deadwing
SOMETHINGS LOOSE, ITS KILLING US. YOU'VE GOT TO SAVE THE REST OF THE SHIP. JETTISON THE LOWER DECKS. CUT US LOOSE
Goddamn Homeworld Cataclysm was fun. It really felt like you were on an odyssey
>Don't forget the hundreds of sailors that died at the hands of the mutants that lurk below her deck. Probably fucking gene stealers down on the lower levels.
Embezzling the funds for maintaining the Geller field generators never ends well.
>Why worry about the Gellar field when the Emperor protects?
>Noooo your carrier must use overpriced *sustainable* smokeless biofuel nooo just think of the whales and LGBT community
Lmao get fucked
your carrier must be capable of putting to sea and sustaining flight operations, otherwise it's just a beached missile cruiser
>t. tugboat captain who wants to keep his job
I don't think enriched uranium would be considered biofuel, anon
I’d rather my tax dollars fund a carrier 100% crewed by clean and competent trannies than one crewed by HIV infected heroin addiction Russian sailors
lol it's visible from space because of that plume of toxic bullshit, take a wild guess how long a carrier that's visible from space would last in a game of chicken against another carrier, dumbass
Why do you pidors shoehorn trannies into every conversation?
one of these pics is the kuznetsov and the other is the burning oil fields of kuwait
guess which is which
The one on the left is a photoshopped photo of sicily
Regardless, I have been laughing so hard at the ship's miserable failures that my chest hurts. Holy fuck
Everything about the Russian military is a big joke.
>Everything about the Russian military is a big joke.
But the Russian Navy is the punchline.
THE WELDS IN DECK THREE HAVE FAILED
ABANDON SHIP
CONTAINMENT BREACH
IT'S SPREADING
ABANDON SH
has it even sailed recently? Shame it cant go into the black sea, because it would be better off as an artificial reef than as an aircraft carrier
>has it even sailed recently?
Yes, It made it back to port under it's own power.
Proofs?
>the bear is proud of his shit
Very contemporary.
after the Kursk disaster i'm kind of happy they run their shitfloat on mazut
Were those photos of completely abandoned ship sections that were being passed around a few months ago off this hulk, or some other floating Russian horror?
Because it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a homeless encampment somewhere in that mess, assuming that it's not infested with shoggoths.
Remember when google unblurred all classified military bases in russia?
Dubs should decide how the kuznetsov finally dies
Shit I hadn’t read this yet but I’ll still count my post as a roll.
Somali pirates will take over the tugboat and tug the Kuznetsov to Somalia.
The Russian sailors will blend in when they go ashore because they’re covered in soot.
Japanese torpedo boat
Based japs
>Women love soldiers.
Especially big black American Marines, the Casanovas of Okinawa.
Mutts law
Down deep, deep into the bowels of the lower levels...the rust and grime groans from cursed age, the shadows move with veiled forms hiding the gaze of ravenous eyes. Stop to listen and you will hear the chattering of pointed teeth, the scraping of claws on metal and the shrieks of hideous creatures and ghosts of the lost. The smell of death and decay fills the air all around. None but the drunkest vatnogs dare descend below the tertiary spine levels to perform maintenance rituals and none return with their sanity.
>when your gellar field is a soviet era relic running at 1/3 output and the captain orders a warp jump anyways
It's okay, it's gonna work out.
Should really count as a chemical weapon at this point. From the pictures I've seen, every system, every component part and every surface of the entire ship is designed to cause cancer. The damn thing is a plague that (kind of) floats.
Its main threat isn't in combat operations, its in threatening moor upwind of you.
It's really innovative but probably only a transitional step to the class that's going to dominate the rest of the century: the carrier barge.
>Really, why worry about carrying fuel and engines when you can just have a few tugs in the group and save the space for more hangers or jetfuel bunkers