they didn't even want the shitty vatnik missiles lol, they wanted the patriot TDP so they could go into business making and selling their own SAMs and nobody told the watermelon seller s400 was supposed to be a bluff to try to twist the US's arm
Why is Turkey obsessed with those gay Russian AA systems anyway? Obviously they don't work. Why is the world even buying Russian military hardware at this point? It's painfully obvious that whatever the West (or even the Chinese) produce is better.
Why is Turkey obsessed with those gay Russian AA systems anyway? Obviously they don't work. Why is the world even buying Russian military hardware at this point? It's painfully obvious that whatever the West (or even the Chinese) produce is better.
>be south korea >get F-35 >get latest F-15's/F-16's >also get to reverse engineer S-400 >whilst also owning Patriots
why are americans so weird? why couldn't they just offer the same deal to Turkey i.e. you can use S-400's to develop your own missile system and only once you've wiped the vatnik off can you get F-35's
Turkey has changed a lot since the coup and its purges. The west is hostile to the now islamist dictator Erdogan so he looks east, what weapon doesn't matter, all work well enough, but buying weapons is a sign of goodwill and closer relations. It is a tragedy that such an important strategic position is controlled by islamist roaches sitting on the ashes of what could have been a western secular democracy.
>the west is hostile to the now islamist dictator
It didn't help that the US was supporting PKK terrorist group to fight ISIS, right next to Turkey's border, when just a year earlier before both US/Turkey were key to fighting ISIS together.
So its a US turning against Turkey for what US perceives is "convenient". Don't get me started on why the EU pushed Obama into this. The whole Greek vs Turkey (600 years of ottoman empire history) geopolitics play into this.
Turkey had the option to buy the PATRIOT system, but Turkey wanted a technology transfer and the ability to manufacture and develop the thing on its own terms, which the US refused. Meanwhile, the Ruskies offered the S-400 along with the system's blueprints. So Turkey went for the S-400, and then promptly got kicked out of the F-35 program in retaliation.
The timeline is screwed up because of Obama's mistake in pulling out the PATRIOT missile for maintenance (unknown if thats true or not) + supporting Kurdish terrorist group to fight ISIS + Russian jet flying over Turkey's border forcing Turkey to shoot them down + the coup against the Turk president => Turks thinking US does not take Turk problems seriously and have nefarious plans against Turkey. This led to Russia trying to bribe Turks away from the NATO by offering them S400. Turks have lot of enemy on all their borders, Russia to NorthEast, Syria and Kurdish terrorist group to South, ISIS on South East, Greeks making trouble on west. Without any support from the US/NATO, the Turk's only answer lied with making peace with Russia for a bit to reduce risk for them.
I honestly cant fault the turks for getting vatBlack person missiles, they really didnt have many other options and bending to the will of washington when it comes to your own internal supression of commies is cringe.
turkey could have handed over the S-400 but their stupid ego will make them second to PAY DEBTS
Big dumb Hellenist
Turkey can knock out every Greek airfield within 30 minutes
and Russia could occupy Ukraine in 2 hours
to be fair they did, for about an hour
Russia infected Turkey's kebabs with krokodil?
Even Russia can't stop Turkish stealth drones, Greece will get humiliated in an extraordinary way
Jokes on you, now that Greece has F35 and Turkey has S400, Turkey can track Greek jets and sell that info to Russia.
Should have given them Patriots.
Said Russia would be capable of doing anything with that info. They already have F-35 blueprints ffs.
>They already have F-35 blueprints ffs.
salsa?
they didn't even want the shitty vatnik missiles lol, they wanted the patriot TDP so they could go into business making and selling their own SAMs and nobody told the watermelon seller s400 was supposed to be a bluff to try to twist the US's arm
Why is Turkey obsessed with those gay Russian AA systems anyway? Obviously they don't work. Why is the world even buying Russian military hardware at this point? It's painfully obvious that whatever the West (or even the Chinese) produce is better.
because NATO is lagging in medium/long range SAM systems
>CFTs
Besides these versions looking utter shit, didn't they seriously frick with the F-16s performance?
>What are NASAM and Patriot
russian AA best in the world!
Obviously they don't work?
NASAM is not medium range, but is extremely interesting and useful Sam nevertheless.
I hope, at least it can IFF better than in dcs
Tech transfer. They get to analyze it and study it. If only to compare turkey's native system and have a target to beat.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/07/the-tale-of-turkey-and-the-patriots/
>be south korea
>get F-35
>get latest F-15's/F-16's
>also get to reverse engineer S-400
>whilst also owning Patriots
why are americans so weird? why couldn't they just offer the same deal to Turkey i.e. you can use S-400's to develop your own missile system and only once you've wiped the vatnik off can you get F-35's
Muslims are untrustworthy.
Turkey has changed a lot since the coup and its purges. The west is hostile to the now islamist dictator Erdogan so he looks east, what weapon doesn't matter, all work well enough, but buying weapons is a sign of goodwill and closer relations. It is a tragedy that such an important strategic position is controlled by islamist roaches sitting on the ashes of what could have been a western secular democracy.
>the west is hostile to the now islamist dictator
It didn't help that the US was supporting PKK terrorist group to fight ISIS, right next to Turkey's border, when just a year earlier before both US/Turkey were key to fighting ISIS together.
So its a US turning against Turkey for what US perceives is "convenient". Don't get me started on why the EU pushed Obama into this. The whole Greek vs Turkey (600 years of ottoman empire history) geopolitics play into this.
Turkey literally helped ISIS and patched their terrorist up in their hospitals
Turkey had the option to buy the PATRIOT system, but Turkey wanted a technology transfer and the ability to manufacture and develop the thing on its own terms, which the US refused. Meanwhile, the Ruskies offered the S-400 along with the system's blueprints. So Turkey went for the S-400, and then promptly got kicked out of the F-35 program in retaliation.
The timeline is screwed up because of Obama's mistake in pulling out the PATRIOT missile for maintenance (unknown if thats true or not) + supporting Kurdish terrorist group to fight ISIS + Russian jet flying over Turkey's border forcing Turkey to shoot them down + the coup against the Turk president => Turks thinking US does not take Turk problems seriously and have nefarious plans against Turkey. This led to Russia trying to bribe Turks away from the NATO by offering them S400. Turks have lot of enemy on all their borders, Russia to NorthEast, Syria and Kurdish terrorist group to South, ISIS on South East, Greeks making trouble on west. Without any support from the US/NATO, the Turk's only answer lied with making peace with Russia for a bit to reduce risk for them.
It wasn't really about the S-400, Erdogan thought he could play both sides and make them buy his love but grossly miscalculated
Actually they wanted burger missiles, and America said no.
They still wanted to have an air defense, so they went to the Russians instead.
I honestly cant fault the turks for getting vatBlack person missiles, they really didnt have many other options and bending to the will of washington when it comes to your own internal supression of commies is cringe.
The only thing Turkey "deserves" is a nuclear holocaust
I think it deserves to separate itself from the rednecks in Anatolia and basically Ankara
Don't worry the anti-white anti-western bongs are helping the roaches with their TFX 5th gen fighter
>12 F-35
>24 rafale
vs
>~250 F-16 V/Ozgur
>AWACS/Intel/Drone superiority
Hmm.
>All because you wanted some shitty vatnik missiles.
That are proven to be useless against F-35, too, lol.