I'm kind of new to guns. I've known a thing or two but i haven't really immersed myself in gun culture.

I'm kind of new to guns. I've known a thing or two but i haven't really immersed myself in gun culture.

Are 'battle rifles' just semi-auto sniper rifles? Sometimes i watch gun videos and some gun youtuber has an assault rifle- looking gun then it has this huge ass scope on it and in my head i'm thinking 'yeah, thats an auto sniper at that point'.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sure, whatever. A battle rifle is a rifle-caliber (as opposed to pistol caliber or intermediate caliber) select fire rifle. In this day and age, most of the battle rifles still in use are used as DMRs, which is just a squad/platoon level sniper (the distinction between sniper and DMR is basically just who is using it). You'll find pretty quickly that a lot of the definitions of gun terminology are arbitrary bullshit and marketing terms (PDW is a great example of a nothing phrase); for example battle rifle didn't really exist as a common phrase when they were widespread, they were just considered rifles/assault rifles too. Its only now they've been supplanted by assault rifles that we make the distinction between them.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Battle rifle is an older concept based on bigger more powerful calibers. Most nations from 1900-1950 give or take some years used big rifle rounds designed to do damage out to 1,000 yards.
    The nazis standardized a new concept of using weaker rounds only good out to about 600 yards, and doing less damage after about 300 than previously acceptable. But the benefit was less recoil, lighter cheaper ammo, and far more controllable in rapid fire or full auto.
    These became assault rifles. Basicly the smgs of rifles.

    Some have made full power rifles since and term them battle rifles. All of nato first went battle rifle with the FAL and m14 prominent, while the soviets went assault rifle with the AK. Very quickly Nato decided the assualt rifle was better, and ditched the bigger rifles for things like the m16.

    Battle rifles stuck around for dmr roles, but were largely replaced. A sniper is a very sneaky recon and long range assassin that has special training. Not just a long ranged shooter, in fact they tend to do more recon than shooting and giving away position. They use longer ranged weapons than battle rifles firing even more powerful rounds.

    The media misuses and sensationalizes all terms. Assault is liked because assualt sounds violent, and sniper is just anyone with a scope not standing next to the target.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and no.

      Assault rifle, battle rifle, sniper rifle, etc. are not really terms that are used that much to refer to civilian owned rifles.

      Bolt action rifles are typically either going to be called hunting rifles or "precision rifles," the latter being the really expensive stuff made to be accurate at anything 600 meters and beyond.

      A Semi-auto rifle intended for precision shooting you could call a DMR but like the other terms that is probably more a military term. DMR stands for designated marksman rifle meaning it is the gun you give the guy in your squad who is the best shot so he can make hits. His job isn't to be a sniper (which is a very specialized and unique role) but just a normal infantry guy doing all the stuff infantry does except that he's lethal at longer range. It's probably the best term for a semi-automatic rifle intended for longer range precision shooting.

      That said I would never call a semi-auto rifle a sniper rifle. As I said a sniper is a specialized and unique military role. They are intended to engage targets beyond the range those targets can even detect, let alone engage. Someone skilled and with an AR-15 tuned for accuracy with a decent optic could get consistent hits on a human sized target at 300-400 meters, but most intermediate rifle rounds (especially 5.56) lose a lot of energy at that distance and just aren't accurate enough.

      If you see someone with a big scope on the AR they are either just trying to push the AR platform to its limits (maybe they accurized it or are reloading or do matches) or it's just a fun range toy. Scopes have other perks at the range such as being able to actually see your hits on the target at 100 yards.

      Wordy fricker.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A battle rifle is just a machine rifle or automatic rifle with a practical range of 457m

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      Assault rifle, battle rifle, sniper rifle, etc. are not really terms that are used that much to refer to civilian owned rifles.

      Bolt action rifles are typically either going to be called hunting rifles or "precision rifles," the latter being the really expensive stuff made to be accurate at anything 600 meters and beyond.

      A Semi-auto rifle intended for precision shooting you could call a DMR but like the other terms that is probably more a military term. DMR stands for designated marksman rifle meaning it is the gun you give the guy in your squad who is the best shot so he can make hits. His job isn't to be a sniper (which is a very specialized and unique role) but just a normal infantry guy doing all the stuff infantry does except that he's lethal at longer range. It's probably the best term for a semi-automatic rifle intended for longer range precision shooting.

      That said I would never call a semi-auto rifle a sniper rifle. As I said a sniper is a specialized and unique military role. They are intended to engage targets beyond the range those targets can even detect, let alone engage. Someone skilled and with an AR-15 tuned for accuracy with a decent optic could get consistent hits on a human sized target at 300-400 meters, but most intermediate rifle rounds (especially 5.56) lose a lot of energy at that distance and just aren't accurate enough.

      If you see someone with a big scope on the AR they are either just trying to push the AR platform to its limits (maybe they accurized it or are reloading or do matches) or it's just a fun range toy. Scopes have other perks at the range such as being able to actually see your hits on the target at 100 yards.

      Agreed, that's why I'd call a retail AR-15 an automatic carbine (practical range of 275m)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assault rifle, battle rifle, sniper rifle, etc. are not really terms that are used that much to refer to civilian owned rifles.

    Bolt action rifles are typically either going to be called hunting rifles or "precision rifles," the latter being the really expensive stuff made to be accurate at anything 600 meters and beyond.

    A Semi-auto rifle intended for precision shooting you could call a DMR but like the other terms that is probably more a military term. DMR stands for designated marksman rifle meaning it is the gun you give the guy in your squad who is the best shot so he can make hits. His job isn't to be a sniper (which is a very specialized and unique role) but just a normal infantry guy doing all the stuff infantry does except that he's lethal at longer range. It's probably the best term for a semi-automatic rifle intended for longer range precision shooting.

    That said I would never call a semi-auto rifle a sniper rifle. As I said a sniper is a specialized and unique military role. They are intended to engage targets beyond the range those targets can even detect, let alone engage. Someone skilled and with an AR-15 tuned for accuracy with a decent optic could get consistent hits on a human sized target at 300-400 meters, but most intermediate rifle rounds (especially 5.56) lose a lot of energy at that distance and just aren't accurate enough.

    If you see someone with a big scope on the AR they are either just trying to push the AR platform to its limits (maybe they accurized it or are reloading or do matches) or it's just a fun range toy. Scopes have other perks at the range such as being able to actually see your hits on the target at 100 yards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >That said I would never call a semi-auto rifle a sniper rifle
      What about "Long Range Sniper Rifle, Caliber .50, M107"?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >What about
        Long name, long barrel. Longer barrel, longer name. I think we're done here.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Point was that the Army says it's a semi auto sniper rifle. Is it not a sniper rifle?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's a bit of a disconnect at this point. Modern general issue carbines often have higher MOA standards than custom-built sniper rifles of the 1940s.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The M107 has 1.5 MOA nominal accuracy compared to 4 MOA for the M4 and M16. Does that help you decide whether it's a sniper rifle or not?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Is it not a sniper rifle?
            It's more of an anti-material rifle

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They called it a sniper rifle and it was replaced by a bolt action chambered in .338 Norma Magnum, which I'm sure you would agree is a sniper rifle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, I said semi-automatic rifle but I was thinking and meant semi-automatic rifle in an intermediate cartridge caliber.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If it's in an intermediate cartridge, it's an SPR or DMR or sniper rifle depending on how you use it, if it's a full power cartridge it's a DMR or sniper rifle depending on how you use it, if it's a high power cartridge it's an anti-materiel or sniper rifle depending on how you use it. A lot depends on how you use it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it also depends on what you're smoking that day
            I point to the M1 Garand sniperization attempts

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Battle rifles are a retroactive cope.
    Before conventional war as we know it, in the late 1800s and pre-WW1 era, when HE wasn't invented yet and smokeless powder was a new thing, the concept people had for the next gen of war was using smokeless powder to throw volleys of bolt-action bullets at lines of enemies from long range.
    Subsequently, WW2 made people realize that if you have powerful long-range weapons people will not expose themselves to your fire at a distance, so if artillery or tanks are involved, long-range personal weapons are a bit of a meme. Better to optimize them for closer ranges where infantry will actually fight. Those were eventually called assault rifles.
    In the late 20th century the fudds of the time had to come up with a label to put on their copes for missing the meta, and they settled on 'battle rifle.'

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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