I'm interested in studying 'higher levels' of ballistic armor you could hypothetically apply to individual combatants than heavy level ...

I'm interested in studying 'higher levels' of ballistic armor you could hypothetically apply to individual combatants than heavy level IV ballistic ratings.

What thickness/composition of armor do we need to go to, assuming no real weight restrictions, before you can have a guy survive a burst of M2 fire without becoming a casualty?

Assume cost of materials is no object, it doesn't need to be fast enough to go on foot patrols, and it's not going to be worn long enough for the wearer to need to eat a meal or something.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is not much that will save you from a 50 cal firing bursts directly into your chest. HOWEVER...
    https://plateland.fandom.com/wiki/SARVIP
    https://plateland.fandom.com/wiki/Ceradyne#.50_BMG_protective:
    the only stuff you're going to find in most cases won't fit regular plate carriers and was designed for aircrews or british border guards facing irish snipers with smuggled m82s

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >SARVIP
      >rated for tungsten-core 50cal
      >or DU APFSDS
      Whatever the fuck this magical metamaterial is I want a full suit of it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There were sub-40mmBFD BMG rated plates in the Eighties. A modern BMG rated plate could be made thinner and lighter, it would just be expensive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The AEP-E10 SARVIP is rated for hits of 15.2x169mm depleted uranium APFSDS. Extremely protective, but also extremely heavy.
      I AM BECOME TANK

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You start to reach a limit where there's just too much energy to absorb with higher calibers, to where even if it stops the round every rib and organ in the center chest is going to be crushed just from the energy of the round pushing the armor in.

    Only possible thing I could see working is to go back to the middle age mentality of deflection over absorption with angled surfaces and such, but that creates the problem of fragmentation and ricocheting that modern armor is designed specifically to avoid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think you should have a problem with damage to internal organs and bones if you make the armor even thicker.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >don't know what I'm talking about
      >better post anyway

      https://i.imgur.com/EqyZ2Lq.png

      I'm interested in studying 'higher levels' of ballistic armor you could hypothetically apply to individual combatants than heavy level IV ballistic ratings.

      What thickness/composition of armor do we need to go to, assuming no real weight restrictions, before you can have a guy survive a burst of M2 fire without becoming a casualty?

      Assume cost of materials is no object, it doesn't need to be fast enough to go on foot patrols, and it's not going to be worn long enough for the wearer to need to eat a meal or something.

      I'm in the Navy so a .50cal is a little peashooter that I wouldn't use to guard a pier much less against rhibs and the like. kek they're fucking pathetic.

      But if you're a dog-faced, ass-smelling ground-pounder, you can stop both penetration and kinetic attack from a .50 round via mass only.

      Or, ERA for humans.

      Because nothing is going to stop the Newtonian shockwaves through your meat-bag which will liquefy the kidneys much less the liver and lungs if you got shot in the chest.

      I'd like to see a Mythbusters style special where known impenetrable plate is stuck on a recently deceased pig so that these dumbfucks can see what their .50 caliber hack-machine actually does, because I've seen the Army use .50s personally and I don't know why they keep fucking with that old useless piece of shit except mounted on vehicles for riot control.

      I guess if you look at it as 'just' a heavy machine gun, yeah it's bigger than an AR for sure but otherwise I can't see the weight being worth it. At ranges greater than .30 a 50cal is like shooting a garden hose on mist kek. They're pathetic.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Because nothing is going to stop the Newtonian shockwaves through your meat-bag which will liquefy the kidneys much less the liver and lungs if you got shot in the chest.
        No one's ever been killed by less than 120mm of BFD, there have been plates that catch BMG with less than that for forty years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Really? You can get shot by a .50 under 500 yards and not have it cause punctured lungs and stuff? I'll believe it, but I"m pretty sure I could prove otherwise with aritmetic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >You start to reach a limit where there's just too much energy to absorb with higher calibers, to where even if it stops the round every rib and organ in the center chest is going to be crushed just from the energy of the round pushing the armor in.
      Just use ceramics

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Layer of tungsten over a layer of ceramic over a layer of steel, or maybe switch the tungsten and ceramic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You start to reach a limit where there's just too much energy to absorb with higher calibers, to where even if it stops the round every rib and organ in the center chest is going to be crushed just from the energy of the round pushing the armor in.

      Only possible thing I could see working is to go back to the middle age mentality of deflection over absorption with angled surfaces and such, but that creates the problem of fragmentation and ricocheting that modern armor is designed specifically to avoid.

      >don't know what I'm talking about
      >better post anyway

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do explain the magic behind a hypothetical individual infantry plate that will stop a .50BMG without killing or maiming the soldier please.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >MaGIc
          Do you know how ceramic armor works? It absorbs the energy and converts it into cracking the tile apart.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OP wanted armor that's going to stop a burst of M2 fire, that's .50 fucking BMG. garden gnometubers have stacked enough ceramic plates to stop .50 but it breaks every single rib of their dummies and compresses the organs in to an over-lethal amount. It's too much energy to disperse in an even unpractically thick ceramic plate, that's why we're talking about hyperthetical materials here.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >consooming guntube content on the premise its relevant to reality
              You need to stop and look at SARVIP or Dayton tests. Something designed to stop .50 instead of not designed to. Then put down the NIJ threat levels and move on to VPAM or STANAG 4569.

              A multihit .50 cal plate will weigh under 15lb.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think it's funny you call them garden gnometubers but you never once doubted the validity of their "tests" or conclusions.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP here, how's this for an armor design? It's basically got the user floating in the middle like a kid wearing Moon Shoes. Ignore any numbers, it's just vague meme-measurements.

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