Illegal weapons in the US

>nukes are legal, so long as whatever warhead you have has the fissile material removed (although you can buy one with the shit still in it assuming you want to go through millions of regulation loopholes just to obtain one)
>bombs are legal (even over-the-counter, like tannerite)
>machine guns are legal, assuming you are an FFL or somebody who is willing to go through all the time, work and money on the older ones)
>pistols are legal, even though they are killing weapons
>semi autoa are legal
>but shitty sawn-off pump action shotgun pistols like picrel aren't in most states
Why? Also, anything else?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They are if you do the stupid paperwork mentioned in half your list.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >nukes are legal
      >you can buy one with the shit still in it assuming you want to go through millions of regulation loopholes
      If this is the case, why has no one set up a range for firing pic related recreationally?
      >inb4 fallout
      Controlled air bursts don't produce any. Just be really careful and triple check your fuses.
      >assuming you are an FFL or somebody who is willing to go through all the time, work and money on the older ones
      Can someone please explain this for a non-burger. Is FFL what you get for security work, or is it just for dealers? What do armorers get?

      >if you do the stupid paperwork mentioned
      Again, can someone please explain how your laws work. I'm always hearing Americans say "[insert thing] is illegal. Unless...", followed by a long list acronyms and legal terms.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Pay the IRS money along with a form, wait for them to approve it, and you can have the thing. Repeat for each item you desire.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >assuming you are an FFL or somebody who is willing to go through all the time, work and money on the older ones
        >Can someone please explain this for a non-burger. Is FFL what you get for security work, or is it just for dealers? What do armorers get?
        It's still illegal in some states

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Can someone please explain this for a non-burger.
        There are different kinds of FFLs. It's probably easiest to think of them as "gun dealer's license" or "gun manufacturer's license". It's for dealers and manufacturers. FFLs have nothing to do with Armorers. Armorers could be literally anything depending on the context. The military has its standards, 3rd party companies offer training classes & exams (i.e. "glock certified armorer"), other agencies like police have their own rules which will vary from department to department.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks Anon. So what do armorers or security contractors do when they need something for their job that is normally prohibited?
          For example, if you're making a film and the plot requires a full auto shotgun that is also sawed off. What do the film studio and armorer have to do for it to be legal?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            For movies the film studio would hire an outside company who specializes in movie guns. That outside company would have the right kind of FFL and is the legally registered owner of the machine guns, sawn-off shotguns, rocket launchers, or whatever else, and one of their agents would be on set the whole time the guns are being used.

            An FFL is required to sell or produce those kinds of guns, but individuals, trusts, and companies can own them. I can't speak to how security companies work, but I would assume it's similar, the company would own the weapons, in which case an agent of the company could possess them while performing official company business.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              [...]

              Don't forget the SOT. If an FFL does regular business/manufactures Title II NFA stuff, they'll generally need an SOT.

              Thanks Anons. So it's just different classes of FFL, plus pay the right tax.
              >I can't speak to how security companies work
              Can anyone else explain this? Let's say you are a bodyguard who might need to lay down suppressing fire on a sniper who is targeting your client. An automatic weapon would provide the highest level of safety. Is it just another class of FFL, or is there some other process?

              the nuclear weapon itself is legal, but owning fissile-material that could produce the nuclear explosion is strictly regulated by the Department of Energy. you cannot own U-233, U-235, P-238, P-239 or most of your common nuclear materials. this is because of the issue of radiation, not because you can make a bomb out of it. you can own all the U-238 you want, well sort of. anyways, so you can have all the materials around to make depleted uranium penetrators, but once you load them, they become regulated NFA Items. more so the EPA will hurass you for shooting heavy metals into the local water supply and contaminating the water with toxic elements.

              so as funny as it is, the ATF does not touch nuclear weapons because they are neither an explosive nor a firearm. the Department of Energy however would like to talk to you about your runaway reactor you use to distill moonshine with though. might be why you are loosing your hair and teeth are falling out.

              >the EPA will hurass you for shooting heavy metals into the local water supply
              The W54 Mod 2 has been safely detonated at 1.7 miles, but let's round that up to be on the safe side. The M29 Davy Crockett gun can fire it 2.5 miles, far beyond the range in which it is known to be safe. The EPA are also worried about runoff, so your detonation point needs to be a patch of low ground far away from any water sources that people or animals may come into contact with.
              What you need, then, is a patch of desert or private island containing a circle whose radius is greater than 2.5 miles. The center of the circle must be lower than the surrounding land, and the water table must not be close to any inhabited areas. This doesn't sound too difficult to achieve in a nation as big as the US.
              >might be why you are loosing your hair and teeth are falling out.
              Suppose the facility is really well engineered and totally safe. Would it then be legal, or do the DoE shut it down?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think you misunderstood what I said.

                the Department of Energy would be very upset that you allowed a cchain reaction releasing a storm of radioactive material into the atmosphere. this is because their sensitive equipment would immediately know that you:
                >1. set off a nuclear reaction
                >2. own radio active heavy metals

                the EPA would be upset with you, because you are shooting depleted uranium into the earth. because you can own U-238, which is a non-radio active isotope, but it is still a Toxic heavy metal. they would inform the ATF that you have been using depleted uranium rounds, which would prompt the ATF to arrest you for a felony possession and manufacture of restricted materials for use in a munition.

                the Department of Energy would charge you with Criminal misuse of an uncontrolled nuclear reaction, as a High crime and Treason.
                the Department of Energy would also charge you with Felony ownership of a restricted material.
                the Department of Energy would also charge you with a Felony operating without a license. (of a nuclear reaction)
                the EPA would just fine you for illegal dumping. (depleted uranium) (nuclear fallout)
                the ATF would charge you with a Felony for owning and manufacturing restricted munitions. (depleted uranium)

                >the reason people don't own nukes is not because of the ATF, but the Department of Energy.

                it wouldn't matter if you could own 500 square miles, because any nuclear reaction(explosion) will toss nuclear material into the upper atmosphere and it will falldown as fallout. you have to basically scrape the top three inches of soil, bag it up, and send it to either the bikini atol or mount yucca so they can process it and/or just dump it.

                >the reason the government doesn't want people to own nukes is not for the explosive capability but the environment.

                you can own, and drop a bomb on you own property. you must abide by Sub-chapter F Part 91 Subpart A 91.15 of the Federal Aviation Administration, Department of Transportation

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you have to get a license to be a security office to use certain equipment commercially and arrest people.

                >there is one that gives you the power to detain and arrest.
                >there is a certification for it for non-lethal force
                >there is a certification for lethal force

                you as an unlicensed security officer can only observe, report, and vocalize the owners intent (tell people to cut shit out). you have a limited ability to use force to relocate offending individuals outside of an owners property onto public property or property with public access.

                you can carry for self-defense, but if you pull your own gun you will need to justify its use for self defense. so basically the owner can claim they did not give you permission to carry, and that because you carry they did not wish you to perform your services. which would be an issue of a breach of an employment contract.

                >construction manager who had to talk to some hired security who didn't know how to do their job correctly.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/licensure-and-regulatory-affairs/armed-security-officer
                https://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/content/do-registered-armed-security-officers-have-arrest-powers

                this is the one for Virginia, where I had an argument with a security officer.

                Each state has their own laws, there is not a federal license.
                Virginia has no statue for stand your ground or duty to retreat
                my home state is a stand your ground and partial Castle doctrine, which means I have full lethal ability when someone resorts to violence and a right to protect my property from unlawful search and seizure with violence.

                >duty to retreat
                meaning you are supposed to run away in terror when someone resorts to violence.
                >Stand you ground
                varies but either means you can hold your position and use lethal or non-lethal force if they approach, or that you can chase them through hill and dale to beat their ass to a bloody pulp. my state is the latter.
                >Castle doctrine
                similar to stand your ground, but only applies to owned property. like a car or house.

                some states have a "citizen arrest power" and the scope and usage varies a lot. Mine has citizen arrest only for high crimes, felonies, and treason. you may need a bounty hunting license to go after bail jumpers. however generally, most people will just call the police and not have to deal with that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >where PrepHole meets /K/.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >for that forklift certification.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          For movies the film studio would hire an outside company who specializes in movie guns. That outside company would have the right kind of FFL and is the legally registered owner of the machine guns, sawn-off shotguns, rocket launchers, or whatever else, and one of their agents would be on set the whole time the guns are being used.

          An FFL is required to sell or produce those kinds of guns, but individuals, trusts, and companies can own them. I can't speak to how security companies work, but I would assume it's similar, the company would own the weapons, in which case an agent of the company could possess them while performing official company business.

          Don't forget the SOT. If an FFL does regular business/manufactures Title II NFA stuff, they'll generally need an SOT.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I was trying to keep things as simple as possible so I just left it at "various types of FFLs". But yes, if NFA items are involved then the dealer or company needs both the correct FFL and the SOT on top of that. SOT = Special Occupational Tax = it's just an extra fee the gov charges if you sell or manufacture machine guns, suppressors, etc.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the nuclear weapon itself is legal, but owning fissile-material that could produce the nuclear explosion is strictly regulated by the Department of Energy. you cannot own U-233, U-235, P-238, P-239 or most of your common nuclear materials. this is because of the issue of radiation, not because you can make a bomb out of it. you can own all the U-238 you want, well sort of. anyways, so you can have all the materials around to make depleted uranium penetrators, but once you load them, they become regulated NFA Items. more so the EPA will hurass you for shooting heavy metals into the local water supply and contaminating the water with toxic elements.

        so as funny as it is, the ATF does not touch nuclear weapons because they are neither an explosive nor a firearm. the Department of Energy however would like to talk to you about your runaway reactor you use to distill moonshine with though. might be why you are loosing your hair and teeth are falling out.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You can't make your own DU penetrators. Perfectly legal to own tax-free under the NFA as they are not explosive.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Form 1 (Tax stamp)
        For personal use, modification, repair, or manufacture.
        >Form 4 (Tax stamp)
        For personal use only, purchase request.
        >FFL (Federal Firearms License)
        a commercial license to manufacture, repair, or sell firearms.
        >Form 4473
        transfer from FFL to FFL or to a consumer, Form 1,2,3,&4 as applicable. 4473 is the normal form filled out when buying a non-NFA item e.g. a rifle, shot gun, firearm, or pistol

        the rest of the forms are for FFL dealers only and just say, I am making a thing, but not selling it to a non-FFL.

        there is an exception for antique firearms and curiosities, the original AR-15 built in 1960 are currently purchasable as a curiosity. meaning the lower receiver is NFA exempt and you can shoot a machine-gun without a Form 1 or 4.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >If this is the case, why has no one set up a range for firing pic related recreationally?
        Well, firstly, because the Army isn't offering them as milsurp. America works on a system where everything is legal by default until legislated otherwise, so "nukes being legal" is more a case of nobody's been crazy enough to try and set up a McNuclear arsenal.

        >Again, can someone please explain how your laws work. I'm always hearing Americans say "[insert thing] is illegal. Unless...", followed by a long list acronyms and legal terms.
        Taking from the above, the fact that everything is legal by default, that means that the letter of the law is a very important part of making things illegal. Since practically all gun legislation is written by noguns, this means that there are always frickups in the technical aspects of what they're trying to outlaw, and someone who knows his legalese can get around them.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tannerite is not an explosive device and it's sold even in the EU.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      where are the proofs?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A sawed off shotgun is easier to get legally than a machine gun you moron.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are you asking why SBSes are an NFA item? When the NFA was originally written it was going to ban handguns of all sorts. SBSes and SBRs were added because that was an obvious loophole around the handgun ban. At the last minute handguns were removed from the NFA legislation, but SBSes and SBRs were not.

    Or are you asking why some states interdependently ban them? That's a classic moral panic, they were associated with gangsters and crime so they got banned, the same way so many states banned switchblades because of their association with violent youth thanks to old movies/musicals like West Side Story.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The NFA was originally drafted to prohibit handguns in addition to machine guns. It was feared people would simply cut down rifles and shotguns as a work-around, so SBR and SBS are made NFA items to close the loophole. Pistols ended up being removed from the act before it passed, but nobody thought to get rid of the (now pointless) closed loophole. Your shitty sawn-off pump shotgun pistol falls under "any other weapon" category because of bureaucratic frickery.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Pistols are killing weapons
    By all means, recommend me some weapons that AREN'T for killing

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You fricking Americans. This bullshit is even worse than a full gun legalisation. Just stop moroning around and ban guns like the civilized world already did.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      We're more likely to nuke your shithole country and turn it into a gun range, mate.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Then they'll just use planes to inflict unspoken carnage.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Want you dead, son. Want to watch you breathe your last. Want your eye goo surrounding my thumbs as they wiggle their way toward your pea sized brain.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think you know enough to ask the right questions yet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      My IQ is 60 please be patient.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Some regulation is needed. We should not allow lawful possession of weaponry by those physically or mentally incapable of handling such.
    The problem is not regulation, but the process of validating someone is approved to acquire some specific class of weapon WITHOUT having the government know who owns what.
    The answer is asymmetric cryptography and an anonymous comms network.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nah everyone should have everything. Got shot? Should've had a gun on you and been more aware.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >>Get domed by some sniper wannabe hiding in the bushes 400m away while getting out of your car
        >>yeah bro, should have had a gun on ya and been more aware.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There exist several classes of weaponry that do not provide a citizen the ability to meaningfully respond. I feel safe with guns because I have my own, so we are equal footing. As you said, a modicum of environmental awareness generally keeps you safe when it comes to guns.
        This does not apply to planned chemical attacks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >anonymous comms network
      And how exactly do you plan on accomplishing that?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The answer is asymmetric cryptography and an anonymous comms network.
      Anon, if this were possible law itself would be unnecessary. Each individual would simply train an AI to recognize behaviours they deem acceptable/unacceptable and filter each other individual. You then gather with only compatible people.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      naw, the problem is that the form of registration needs to:
      >not direct political attacks against law abiding citizens
      >be universal, particularly in interstate commerce.
      >not create "overnight felons"

      the resistance of universal registration is that the anti-gun lobby will immediately use it to politically attack law abiding citizens. the ATF has demonstrated on multiple occasions that they will break the law to try to incriminate citizens that they believe hold political opinions outside other than their own.
      >WACO
      >Ruby Ridge
      >gun-and-drug stings (fast and furious)
      >ATF gunwalking scandal
      >“rogue tactics” of setting up storefront stings
      >Beltway Sniper shooting (failure to enact/act)
      >The Good O’ Boy Roundup

      so, no public trust in the ATF means that the ATF is viewed as an enemy to peace and democracy by the general public.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        also should add The ATF’s Secret Slush Funds.

        there is some fricked up stuff that happens out of corruption, but the ATF is the posterchild for all of it.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that certain weapons are banned in the USA at all is unconstitutional. When will enough be enough for Americans?

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