If you had to choose, what would you consider the biggest military upset in history?

If you had to choose, what would you consider the biggest military upset in history?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the special military operation of 2022

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    battle of cannae is a battle that is studied to this day due to how perfectly in encapsulates tactics
    a small force encircles and destroys a larger force and inflicting 80% casualties on the enemy

    every general has been constantly studying that battle up to modern times, both in the hopes of achieving a comparable victory or escaping a comparable loss

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But the true kicker with the battle of Cannae is that ultimately, Hannibal was not able to exploit his win and achieve a decisive strategic outcome. Romans got btfo on the tactical level, but won on the strategic one. That happened so often to the romans that it starts to resemble a pattern.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Khotyn 1621 was like kinda like the Alamo except the defenders win and Santa Anna gets murdered by his troops.

    >Osman II becomes Sultan
    >assembles one of the largest forces in Ottoman history
    >leads it personally in an invasion of Ukraine (then in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth)
    >on the way there, sweeps aside a Polish expeditionary force which was in Moldova
    >Poles absolutely shit themselves in fear
    >throw scraps of various units and volunteers at the border to try and delay the huge Ottoman force
    >Polish king desperately tries to mobilize an actual army to defend
    >Ottoman army proceeds to crash and burn against the volunteer border force
    >lose a third of their 150,000 man army in three weeks of assaulting a single border fort
    >fail to take the fort
    >sign a white peace, leave
    >the Polish king and the army he was mobilizing never even gets there before it's all over

    and then
    >furious Osman II blames his commanders, tries to reform military
    >becomes the first Sultan to be murdered by his Janissaries

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    war or just a battle?
    If we go by a battle nothing will beat the few peasants loudly drumming pans to scare a whole crusader army in Bohemia

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Adrianople.
    >the absolute best field units of the eastern Roman empire
    >wiped out to the last man by Goths IN Roman territory
    Yet somehow the Eastern Roman Empire persevered and the western part collapsed.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Obvious, normie answer, but the Battle of Tsushima.
    Sheer tactical and strategic incompetence lead to arguably the most crushing naval defeat in history. Japan lost three torpedo boats while Russia lost an entire fleet including EIGHT battleships. More than 100,000 tons sunk.
    This was what was supposed to be the premier Eurasian power getting defeated by an Asian country that was socially and technologically medieval a few decades before. A backwards country that went from Chinese tributary state, to a hermit kingdom of warlords, quickly became a modern monarchy and ended up facilitating the demise of an empire at the end of a war that was looking like a stalemate. It was one of those events that, if it hadn't happened, mean that we would be living in a very different world today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, Japan was already more literate than Tsarist Russia BEFORE modernising. Wouldn't surprise me if the average Japanese peasant lived better and had more rights than a Russian serf.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Russia abolished serfdom in 1861 just so they can reinvent slavery with communism 50 years later

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia abolished serfdom in 1861
          If anyone asks why they're so morally and functionally degenerate, that's really all you have to tell them. Pyccia is the Eternal Fascist.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They absolutely did, isolation era Japan had significantly better quality of life than any part of Europe until very near the end of the period when they finally started falling behind

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Really? Is there anything I can read about this? I had always imagined that most people were pretty poor, war-ravaged, and illiterate until the restoration.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not him but its a bit of a strange comparison, despite the validity. europe is an entire continent that constantly got attacked over religious differences.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's not an upset exactly but it was so extremely retarded that it's hard to describe
    >Done fucking around in continental europe
    >"Okay men lets go home to Sweden, no boats though"
    >"b-but sir"
    >"Let's invade denmark (of course) on foot"
    >Marches an entire army across frozen solid sea twice and basically teleports behind the Danish capital
    >Danes shit themselves
    >Steals half of Denmark via treaty and leaves

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Truly our finest moment. That event should be on swedish students' belt buckles.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Me, right now.
    I'm upset.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Battle of Vítkov hill.
    Germans will never recover from losing to 28-80 peasants, while assaulting with about 5000 knights.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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